Does anybody know of any good psychological research studies that explains the motivation to be “woke”?

[Anonymous]

At a cursory glance it would seemingly be that radical leftist beliefs are about a (very misguided) sense of altruism. Also the “holier than thou” superior feeling of condescension is very addictive for many people.

I also theorize many wokester leaders/influencers really are sociopaths and actually don’t believe in that insanity. However they have calculated that it is more monetarily and socially advantageous to themselves if they outwardly support those beliefs. They feel no moral cognitive dissonance about being hypocrites either. One classic example is how Bernie Sanders became a millionaire writing books about socialism.

Mind you that Bernie used to use the phrase “millionaires and billionaires” in a derogatory sense. Now he conveniently just says “billionaires” during his political rallies.

Now I could come up a list a mile long about the gross hypocrisies of wokesters. But they don’t care and feel no shame about it. So I am really interested in what the psychology is when it comes to people.

I can have patience for people who are young, naive and misguided. Once they are presented with cold hard facts and reality they can change their minds.

But what absolutely bewilders me is how some people act this way towards movements that are blatant existential threats to their own existence. It’s the leftist feminist women, gays and trans people who are insanely supporting radical Islamist terrorists groups like Hamas. Those same people would be quickly murdered and/or raped if they behaved the way they did in a society that practiced sharia law.

But pointing out that insane hypocrisy seems to do nothing to change these people. So I am more curious what is their real motivation for acting so hypocritical? Are there psychological research studies behind this behavior?

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I know I triggered some leftists using the term “woke” several times in my above question. But here are the origins of the phrase and it was NOT invented by conservatives. It is a leftist phrase that more recently took on a derogative meaning en.m.wikipedia.org/.../Woke

For the record I do NOT believe all democrats are “woke” any more then I believe all conservatives are MAGA.

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In hindsight I could of worded this question better. I did take some hard shots at leftists. While I stand with what I said it also got away from the main question: why do these people think the way they do? RavVid actually gave me the best response so far.

[RavVid]

You might like YT Aydin Paladin. She is a statistical sociologist who likes to do videos examining what peered reviewed statistical papers say on a particular topic and meld them together. If you want to think about what she is talking about multiply the run time by 3 to 5 times because there is at least half a dozen papers discussed as to what they mean.

Genetically it does seem to be possible to predict if a person is liberal or conservative. It also seems that blood flow in the brain occurs differently - from memory in the amygdala area.

It also seems that Conservatives are more cognitive thinkers i. e. use logic. Liberals are more emotive thinkers based on feelings. Interestingly it seems girls are becoming more Liberal whilst boys are coming more conservative which reinforces the classic stereotypes.

I think that info came from Aydin. I'll see if I can find a link.

[RavVid]

Found this instead which might be of interest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N07TQl5wHew

[Asker]

@ravvid good response.

[RavVid]

Hope it helped. Everything can be spun.

[Asker]

It’s hard not go off on a tangent on some of the responses I’ve seen. But it’s losing focus on my original question.

In retrospect I could of worded the question better. I did throw a few hard shots at leftists in the subject matter. So naturally they are going to respond accordingly.

But I figure if I can understand how these people look at the world I can deal more effectively with them. It’s a huge common mistake to assume other people think the same way you do.

[Asker]

@ravvid watching this video was absolutely spot on to my question. Perfect.

[RavVid]

I'm interested in this stuff too

[Anonymous]

It's leftism, an unchecked sense of empathy, narcissism, a belief in moral superiority that's unfounded through any actual deeds--just stated intentions.

And then you add on top of that the mating strategy of a bunch of dudes trying to get with girls who believe this stuff and you've pretty much covered at least 80% of the folks who are on board.

[Asker]

“ And then you add on top of that the mating strategy of a bunch of dudes trying to get with girls ”

That is a HUGE and disgusting part of it. Very true. Influencers target young women because they are more emotionally impressionable and susceptible to social contagion.

Do know that Harvey Weinstein was once a supporter of feminism (his so called motivation behind making Kill Bill).

[Asker]

But back to my point. What’s the psychology behind this. Especially when it comes to supporting movements that ultimate want to mutilate, enslave, rape and/or murder you? It’s quite well known what life is like for women living in countries that practice sharia law.

[Opinion Owner]

That point about supporting Islamist regimes is borne out of Leftism. In particular, it's just an anti-Western ideology straight up. The support isn't justified because of a belief in the moral superiority of Islamism but rather because Islamists share in the anti-Western ideology and therefore are considered "allies" of their most import cause which is anti-Westernism.

Think of it this way--during WWII, the US, UK, France and USSR were the Allies. Why? Was it because the first 3 shared a lot of the same ideological beliefs as Stalin? Absolutely not. Stalinism was and is an abhorrent ideology, every bit as evil as Nazism. We were allied because at that point in time the most important cause we had was the complete destruction of the Axis powers. And so we set aside other differences in service to that leading cause.

In exactly the same way, you can make much more sense of the "strange bedfellows" nature of odd groups like "Queers for Palestine" if you identify what is the higher aim they seek to advance. In this case it's rank anti-Westernism (politically) and anti-Enlightenment thinking (philosophically). That's why if you started with the simple intellectual premise of "Western culture is evil" and then asked "what positions should I take on the various issues of the day" you end up getting a pretty good replication of the position of Leftists on pretty much everything. It's not perfect, but it's a pretty damn good first order approximation.

[Asker]

Yes I agree with your above response. But “Queers for Palestine”’ really is next level. At best you would have to have extreme ignorance of sharia law and/or a literal fentanyl addiction craving for “social optics of being empathetic” to be woke to the point of inviting your own literal suicide. Feminists, gays and trans people supporting that is absolutely beyond insane.

[Opinion Owner]

Sure except that none of what they are doing is intended to ACTUALLY put them in Gaza. They're just doing the performative dance for their tribe in their progressive city or university. That's their only audience.

[Asker]

It’s like us saying “all men should be castrated!” while we get to keep our junk.

The video @ravvid shared was excellent (and non partisan). People with leftist views literally have brains that function differently and make decisions on emotions.

There are always going to be insane fringe people in our culture. The 1st amendment (which some liberals want to abolish now) allows stupid and/or crazy people to have a voice. But the idea is that general public would have more common sense.

But my question is this. I know most mainstream democrats deep down understand that “Queers for Palestine” is beyond asinine. But WTF are they NOT speaking up about it? Why? Are they so concerned about their own “optics” that they are afraid of being labeled traitors or something?

When I confront them about that their immediate response is always “oh you support Trump and he’s a lunatic”. Trump is crazy (at times) but he isn’t deranged. Leftists claim that it’s solely his fault the J6 riots happens (while quickly and conveniently forgetting about the BLM riots which exponentially did more damage). Trump did raise the temperature on that but his actual words were “protest with me peaceful” not “get confrontational” like Maxine Waters.

[Opinion Owner]

Why WOULD mainstream democrats speak out about "Queers for Palestine" or any of the other insane woke groups? How would that help them? They're looking to those people to vote them in to power. It's also why they look the other way when BLM and antifa people burn down buildings and destroy statues. Can't let a crisis go to waste you know! Also, those were "mostly peaceful" protests!

[Asker]

Because if they had more then two brain cells they would notice that most centrists and independents are noticing that insanity. And swing voters are what decide elections.

[Opinion Owner]

Yeah, they're caught in a bit of a pickle. They need to motivate their base (which includes these loons) to turn out to vote, but they ALSO need to try to win over some centrists. I think their strategy is to continue to pander to the loons and to hope they can win the centrists by pushing "never Trump" storylines as hard as they can.

[Asker]

Do they really believe the deranged radical left would sit out an election when Biden is running against Trump?

What’s really going on is Biden’s senile old ass has no spine and he’s being controlled like a puppet by the radicals he’s surrounded himself with. The man is literally a hollow shell and a garbled often incomprehensible mouth piece for the woke. Any shred of respect I had for one went out the window when he said “trans healthcare saves kids lives”. THAT was the moment I knew he was full woke. No way any grown elderly man who isn’t clinically insane can truly believe that heinous insanity.

It’s also about woke “preachy females” who are as pleasant to listen to as a harpy dominating the left. That’s not me word but Jams Carville’s

thehill.com/.../

[Opinion Owner]

Biden is clearly in the middle innings of dementia and serious cognitive decline. So of course he's a puppet. There's no point trying to cast moral judgement against him because he so obviously not in control of anything.

And yes-the deranged radical left absolutely COULD sit out the election EVEN with Trump on the other side, unless messaging is repeated and they are coaxed to the polls (or to mail in their ballots to a harvester that makes it as easy as humanly possible). There's one massage to the base (all the insane virtue-signalling bullshit) and another message to the more centrists people (orange man BAD!). That's their gameplan.

[Asker]

Never underestimate TDS. Trump actually has this in the bag if he will just focus on all the failures of the BIDEN administration.

He also needs to shut up about the 2020 election being “stolen” from him. Because that has led many conservatives to the very false presumption that there were 100s of thousands of fraudulent votes. That will lead to lazy conservatives sitting out the election and that’s horrible all the way around. Republicans need to VOTE.

Now pointing out how all the institutions of power immorally helped democrats (e. g. Twitter/FB hiding a true story about Hunter Biden) is a different story.

[Opinion Owner]

I don't underestimate TDS. It's been a HUGE thing and continues to be. From what I've seen Trump hasn't meet out there all that much lately, so I think he is keeping a lowish profile. Not being on Twitter helps, since no one uses Truth Social but his base. The RNC needs to improve their ground game if they're to have any hope of a win though. Getting rid of that zero chairwoman was a good first step but the replacements have a SHIT TON of work to do on the ground in the battleground states in particular.

[Levin]

Better yet is the question why Western white people hate themselves and their culture so much. To the extent of self annihilation with mass immigration that is destroying their culture and values. Sure, you could say 'slavery', but culturally, slavery has existed throughout the world. It's rather an unfortunate timing in history where whites were very efficient at it. But we have allowed ourselves to be guilted. My ancestors were hardly benefactors of the evils that white people have partaken in. Most likely victims of famine in the Ukraine, brutalised by Stalin; but otherwise, having fairly tough lives as peasants farming the land.

In terms of answering your question, perhaps this image that was shared yesterday has something to do with it. Maybe the tired cliche wounded feminine 'love without boundaries' so ends up loving some fellow who is abusive and unappreciative. It's very nice these ladies are liberal enough to embrace Muslims, who in turn are obviously embracing of their whoring around, drinking etc.

There is probably a wider issue with Western culture. Think of the state of Western art and how art is reflective of the psyche of each period on time. So take the classical composers such as Beethoven and Mozart and the music is optimistic and fundamentally vital, even if society was not tamed by science and death stalked every person. Life would have been brutally difficult for the average person by modern standards. Then you get the romantic period which was more focused on self expression. But as you get towards the end of the romantic period in the late 1800s and early 1900s, the artform become increasingly bleak, dark and decayed. Then you get the modern and postmodern which in my opinion is just a shitshow for the most part. I guess cultures rise and fall. One may be proud, have a purpose and be full of spirit; or on the opposite end of the spectrum they start to fall. The microcosm reflects the macrocosm. You could give the analogy of a human's life. Early in life they are full of life, but as their health starts to fail them existential questions emerge, and they fall further and further into the darkness within themselves. It is reflective of internal weakness and sickness. This is what is happening on a wider level.

One commentator refers to it as the death drive. Our self-destruction, we almost actively will it on if we don't have a fundamental purpose and source of light.

[Siri137]

No, because psychologists don't even recognise the term. The word "woke" means nothing at all. It's just a lazy expression that is used by Trump-loving reactionaries to character-assassinate anyone who disagrees with their simplistic and childish view of the world.

And no, I am not "liberal" or "woke", just someone who doesn't buy the silly Left-Right narrative of "Us vs. Them". People really do need to wake up to what's actually going on right now.

[Asker]

Woke began as a leftist phrase to mean “awoken too” to social injustices. It later became a derogatory phrase for far leftist idealism.

But it did originate as a leftist term.

[handsomelad70]

Wishing to be inclusive rather than shunning historically oppressed folk.

[Asker]

@handsomelad70 yes historically.

[Siri137]

Okay, but even so, it's not a term psychologists recognise.

[monorprise]

When you abused the nativity of children's minds in schools with trillions of dollars you don't really need rational. many if not most kids are programed to accept almost any idea given to them in such away over such a period of time.

Some of them will grow up and realize it was a nonsensical lie but most will never question it again. This is why children have parents because they are soo vulnerable both intellectually and physically.

This is why they target children in the first place with the worse ideas in human history.

[NaultD]

Jesus and the Bible. During the time kill your foe and die to go to Valhalla was the life style rome legionary shir.. Owning slaves was the measure of wealth and worth of any individual. Jesus said fuck that.

He himself washing feet of others. Throwing a fit Throwing tables of thief's in the house of God. Love your fellow man be them gentile or not. All the differant upbringings and orgins never actually matters to the messure of the man wanting a better world. When betray ask forgiveness father for they Don know what they do.

[Asker]

So you believe radical leftism is inspired by Christianity?

[NaultD]

https://youtu.be/G-kSu2QIxUs?si=MyBLExBGMe8vRIOX

[NaultD]

Not necessarily directly but an inevitable truth of finding and loving peace and fighting for it.

[NaultD]

To be honest I just found this stuff just now and it's hitting me to my own core. You helped me brother.

[Anonymous]

I can't believe some idiot blamed this on Trump. One of the most popular sitcoms in history was the show “friends.”
A few years ago, the woke called the Co-creator of that show a racist and bigot, because there was no blacks and gays on the show. The woke thinks that it’s not OK for there to be five white friends. But the woke is fine with black entertainment television.

[Asker]

Trump was a REACTION to the leftist insanity going on in the United States. One of the reasons he drives the insane is he BEHAVES like a Democrat (he was one years ago) expect his rhetoric is the opposite of theirs. But he’s like staring at a mirror for them.

That’s not to say I always like Trump’s personality because I don’t. But it explains why leftists act so deranged about the bare mention of his name. He’s an agonizing reflection of how they act. Like how he just blurts out the first thought that crosses his mind, never apologizes for anything (even though he might very well know he was wrong), quickly insults and labels people, etc. That’s ironically how most leftists act. But they think they are “justified” to behave however they want because the ends justifies the means from their POV.

But nobody even Trump anticipated the deep state and legal institutions would single him the way they have. It’s terrifying what kind of double standards are coming from institutions of power. But again with leftists it’s not about playing fair. It’s about their “vision” and any means necessary to accomplish it is fair game.

[Anonymous]

You do realize the American Psychological Association are completely captured by woke neo-Marxists, right?

So those studies... yeah... they ain’t coming. The only studies you’ll see will be about how White cis heteronormativity contributes to mental illness. 🙄

[Asker]

Yep the sad and horrifying truth.

But when you defy reality then reality has way of ultimately smacking you upside the head and HARD. Reality is already showing whose boss with inflation, fentanyl overdoses and skyrocketing inner crime rates.

[genericname85]

actually there's quite a few good reads on that which are quite old. i highly suggest it cause it makes you understand a LOT of the current mainstream agendas.

Did you ever hear of a guy called Giovanni Gentile? he basically is the "founding father" of a political philosophy of authoritarianism, and the subordination of individual interests to the state. books like "Fascist Culture" and "Origins and Doctrine of Fascism". if you're wondering what facsism has to do with the question you asked... read the books. you'll see.

[WhitneySnow]

You should say progressive. Woke is derogatory.

I consider myself progressive but I don’t support fundamentalist Islam. I think it’s just as bad as fundamentalist Christianity. At the same time, I do support the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination.

[Asker]

Read my updates

[Asker]

Also the term “woke” was created by leftists and later became a pejorative. Just like how leftists (including Joe Biden) like to smear conservatives as MAGA. Trump crested that term but it’s now being spun as an pejorative.

But you can’t get angry at people for just using the exact same phrase the other side created. Sure it’s used in a derogatory context but they didn’t invent the phrase.

[JacobJordan]

Palestine only exists today. If you go back throughout history it doesn't exist at all. That land has always been the jews ancestral homeland. In fact the closest mention to "palestine" is during the roman empire when they captured and sacked the territory that Israel occupies killing Arabs, jews, women, children. After which they named that region Palestina as a way to insult and mock the Jewish. So historically speaking and factually speaking you are supporting the annihilation of jews from land that has always been there's despite being under different empires control. Of the 2 the Jewish state called Israel is something that has always been there. Palestine only existed after 1948

[Asker]

@JacobJordan Jews inhabited Israel an entire millennia before Islam even existed. Many (if not most) woke progressives are extremely ignorant of the history of Israel.

There is debate to be had about how modern Israel was established in 1948. Jews did not want to return to Europe for obvious reasons after what Hitler is did in WW2. Instead many of them went to Israel to form their own country.

But I noticed leftists keeps calling Jews “colonizers” which absolute bullshit. That’s like saying a large group of Native Americans banded together and formed their own country in the USA (not just a reservation) and surrounding populations called them “colonizers”.

Israel IS the ancestral for Jews.

[Asker]

Ancestral homeland

[JacobJordan]

Finally someone who gets it lol. The absolute lack of critical thinking from leftists and woke people is astounding. Have had several woke idiotic leftists call me a a whole slew of racist, and antisemitic terms just because I know the history and am Jewish by birth

[Asker]

@JacobJordan what it’s really about is the extremely false and very dangerous belief that the only reason one group is financially more successful than the other is because of “oppression”. It’s a very sick “zero sum” game thought process.

I’m not Jewish. I have a lot of friends who are. I used to joke around and bust their balls about stereotypes but nowadays I don’t do that at all. Because the hatred I am seeing coming from the left is the same hatred that Hitler exposed and propagated. It’s the lie that Jews “oppressed” people and must be dealt with via genocide. It’s not a joke any more.

But one MAJOR miscalculation democrats have made is that the DNC was long supported by heavy financial contributions from Jews. What’s all going on right now obviously feels complete betrayal to long time Jewish democrats. They are going to pull their money. It already happened at Harvard.

[JacobJordan]

Leftists are the type to stab the people they need in the back while claiming to love them. They have been doing it with black people and other minorities since before the Civil War. And they fail to realize that the president the black people vote for and the president the Jewish people vote for ends up being president. It is exceedingly rare that a president loses if they have both Jewish and black majority votes.

[Asker]

@JacobJordan Lyndon B Johnson pushed all the entitlement programs through in the 60s saying “I will have those (n words) voting Democrat for 50 years”.

But more minorities are waking up this bs. Trump is predicted to get around 20 percent of the black vote. Highest of any republican president in 50 years.

But again leftist operate on optics. Very sociopathic. But in the end it’s all about THEM.

[JacobJordan]

Of course it is. The black population still fail to realize that it was democrats who gave them deadly and addictive drugs decimating their communities. It was democrats (not the party just democrats) that created the kkk to run around lynching black people. It was the democratic party that wanted slavery and started a civil war in a bid to keep them. From the inception of America democrats have stood on the wrong side of history and continue to do so today. Now admittedly there are some decent democrats who push good policies but there are so few they may as well not exist.

[Asker]

@JacobJordan there are major outside influences and China has been pushing a heavily funded and very advanced psycho ops campaign to divide America even further. I’m reading this book about this right now. It’s horrifying and most people have no idea how deep China is invested into this.
www.google.com/.../12145615467003110183

[JacobJordan]

China and the US have been at war for a long time. Most common means is seeding. Won't go to deep with it but basically it is utilizing a chemical mixture to influence weather patterns to increase flooding, or droughts, or storms etc. Mix the chemical into a flight traveling to and/or from and that's that. Neither can talk about it because to do so means they have to admit to the other they are responsible for thousands of deaths annually

[CheeseMonster]

What do you mean by "woke"? Do you just mean hypocritical? The main reasons for hypocrisy is usually either cognitive dissonance or just plain dishonesty for personal gain. Pretty classic explanations, has been going on in every group forever.

[Asker]

Read my updates

[CheeseMonster]

I did. "a pejorative for various leftist and progressive movements and ideologies" isn't very clear, and it's not what you seem to talking about. I don't want to answer a question you didn't ask. You mentioned hypocrisy a lot, so I went with that. If you're asking about something else I'll need you to he more specific. Sorry.

[strateguy632]

to feel superior and holy without real religion, a feel good virtue signaling.

[Asker]

True for some of them. Others have different motives though.

I truly believe some people put social “optics” above everything else. I got a former friend who has a bit of Machiavellian approach to politics.

Deep down he’s actually conservative minded but he votes democrat and plays the part in the workplace and around women. It benefits him to put on that liberal facade monetarily and socially. He doesn’t have hang ups about being two faced.

I might be tight lipped in certain environments and around certain people. But I am NOT going to change my core values to match someone else’s just because there is something in it for me. It would make my life easier in a lot of ways but I can’t act two faced.

[Sabretooth]

Just being a decent person and recognizing the social injustice of others. It's funny, most who bash wokesm also claim the be God-fearing Christians... who now consider Jesus himself to be woke... I believe that the Bible was very clear about such people... And, of the consequence.

[Asker]

Thank you for your insights.

[Sabretooth]

You're welcome.

[Agagagagaga]

@Sabretooth Ah there’s that famous Liberal disdain for Christianity. 👍

And i seem to remember that you have a personal grudge against Christians. Why you lie to talk about alll the horrible horrible things they do and you love to talk about “so-called” or “fake” Christians.

Pray tell, where is your critics and animus for Islam and Judaism? Hmmm? Why do you always make it a special point to single out Christians?

Could it be because you’re a Left wing bigot? Hmmm?

[Sabretooth]

@Agagagagaga thank you for your cooperation. “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works* in your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew* you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’ “Then the King will say to those on his right: ‘Come, you who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world. 35 For I became hungry and you gave me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink. I was a stranger and you received me hospitably; 36 naked and you clothed me. I fell sick and you looked after me. I was in prison and you visited me.’ 37 Then the righteous ones will answer him with the words: ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and receive you hospitably, or naked and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 In reply the King will say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’

[Sabretooth]

@Agagagagaga 41 “Then he will say to those on his left: ‘Go away from me, you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels. 42 For I became hungry, but you gave me nothing to eat; and I was thirsty, but you gave me nothing to drink. 43 I was a stranger, but you did not receive me hospitably; naked, but you did not clothe me; sick and in prison, but you did not look after me.’ 44 Then they too will answer with the words: ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying: ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of these least ones, you did not do it to me. 46 These will depart into everlasting cutting-off but the righteous ones into everlasting life.” “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name? 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew* you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’ but, please! continue to attack me! but, really... I think that we both know who you're really attacking...

[Asker]

@Agagagagaga i am just itching to jump on this along with you. After all you don’t see Christian majority countries throwing gays off buildings or forgiving women into marriage/hijabs. But I will say the left has gotten much more malicious towards Judaism lately. The mantra “from the River to the Sea Palestine will be free” is a GENOCIDAL slogan about killing all Jews in Israel. Hordes of sick of leftists are chanting that right now.

BUT let’s not get sidetracked from the original question we are asking these people i. e. WHAT IS YOUR MOTIVE? Seriously why do you think this way? What is your ultimate goal?

I’m sure sabre tooth is going to respond with some hate filled rant about what I said above. But we are one for one now sabre tooth. I didn’t like your comment and I’m sure you didn’t like mine. But one for one.

So again: what’s your ultimate vision @sabretooth? I also might add that so called “utopia” communist countries like China and Russia do not exactly have a great track record nor an existing good policy when it comes to human rights.

[Sabretooth]

and what of the millions of Palestinians that are being wiped out? you appear to be no different from those leftists. as for that ''hate filled rant'' that you're on your knees for? sorry to disappoint you but your nonsensical rant has no effect on me... I'm not even a democrat and although I follow left wing news outlets, they're critical of Netanyahu but still wants Israel to be able to defend itself

[Asker]

@sabretooth i didn’t see your earlier responses with scriptural references before my last comment.

So since you brought up Christianity and cited scripture shall I respond back with scripture? You know I actually can agree that political beliefs by no means a guarantee for salvation. But what can be said about destroying the church outright? “ If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?” (1 Peter 4)

Just identifying as a Christian isn’t good enough. And yes Jesus conversed, dwelt among, ate meals with and preached to “the sinners” of his time (prostitutes, tax collectors, etc.). He also had a very ugly disdain for the Pharisees (although he did turn the heart of Nicodemus).

But there are dire warnings about twisting scripture that is noted revelations. In fact that is the precise tactic Satan used to tempt Jesus in the desert. Churches that perform gay marriages are blatantly violating scriptural commandments. But many chuches nowadays have become “feel good clubs” in vain effort to attract progressive attendees. They are not preaching the truth. And Jesus did forgive the adulterous woman but he didn’t say that her actions were okay (John 8:11)

Also the conflict between Israel and Palestine is an ongoing conflict that was predicted thousands of years ago in the Old Testament. But God did promise the Jews land. And Israel existed a millennia before Islam was even incepted.

[Sabretooth]

Nothing I don't already know. Hamas doesn't represent the Palestinians -- they're just using them and God doesn't approve of murder.

[Asker]

“ Hamas doesn't represent the Palestinians -- they're just using them and God doesn't approve of murder.”

Yes that I can 100% agree on. Also Hamas has stolen donated humanitarian aides and funds to fund terrorism. They literally took plumbing materials meant for water lines and repurposed them to build rockets. They also have brainwashed children for decades.

Hamas is 100% responsible for every drop of innocent civilians blood dropped in this war. All they had to was surrender and give up the hostages. Instead they have used not only used innocent people as human shields but also as propaganda. They KNEW that Israel would violently respond and there would be unavoidable collateral damage. But they want that because they know the leftist mass media would demonize Israel and it’s working exactly as they planned.

[Sabretooth]

Netanyahu also wanted this and has rejected means to lower the body count of civilians. Netanyahu and Hamas are dictators -- so, neither side represents their nation's interests. I support a nation's right to defend itself but I don't support genocide.

[Asker]

I do find it very peculiar that mossad had no idea that Oct 7th might happen. Hamas had active outdoor training camps that were used to prepare the terrorist attack. Although I do support Israel I do have a “devils advocate” conspiracy theory that top government officials knew the Oct 7th attack might happen but let it go on anyway because now Israel has a plausible excuse to annihilate Hamas.

With that said you can NOT expect Israel to comfortability co-exist with a country that has been brainwashed to hate and destroy them. Also it doesn’t help f’ing Iran has been funding terrorist groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, etc. with the goal of destabilizing the Middle East which is heinous bs. They hate having Israel as pro western outpost in the Middle East and they hate Jews in general.

A big part of this is based on the false belief that Israel is success and wealthy only because of “colonization” i. e. the twisted belief that wealth can only be created by “exploitation”.

[Sabretooth]

They did know. They had moles and did nothing. These things were covered by Morning Joe, recently: https://youtu.be/zpgDyitbN2g?si=OkdWD6KKn1xoPLu4

[Asker]

You realize I will never trust anything MSNBC puts out. That doesn’t mean I trust everything FOX broadcasts either. But MSNBC hosts “the view” where they had Whoopi Goldberg saying that “the Holocaust wasn’t about racism because it was white people killing white people”.

So you better provide a better source then MSNBC.

[Sabretooth]

lol. you DO understand that that was an isolated case months ago and not widely shared by network, right? probably not. she was bashed for it and she apologized. you're the first person I've met who still brings that up.

[Sabretooth]

besides, that's ABC.

[Asker]

@sabretooth she was suspended for 2 weeks. Any non intersectional talk show host would of been fired immediately and liked banned from the network for a very long time (years). They would also have trouble finding work. They would ostracized/blackballed for a long time as well.

No Whoopi’s multimillionaire dollar and woke ass was given a slap on the wrist for that and we all know why. And that is a prime example of “woke” I am talking about. Double standards and hypocrisies. Honestly how do think relatives and descendants of Holocaust survivors felt about what she said?

Just FYI if a white male conservative talk show host said something as disgusting as “the Holocaust wasn’t about racism because it was about white people killing white people” I would fully support his immediate termination and banning from the network. Equal privileges means equal responsibilities.

However I get it. Jewish people aren’t “intersectional” any more and considered privileged because they typically financially well off. So anti-semitism is now justified. But what the democrats don’t know is they are going to lose a LOT of voters and more importantly political donations (Jews historically heavily funded the DNC) considering all that’s happened since Oct 7th.

I know you said you aren’t a democrat but I will still point that out.

[Sabretooth]

Morning Joe called out Trump's anti-semitism recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Wlo6_D_DeA&t=3s . as far Whoopi, there's the opinion that she was just ignorant. there's a lot of ignorant people in the world. I don't watch the view (though, I did enjoy that segment with Phill over the show he did with that couple with the girlfriend that shot her boyfriend in the leg) or know anything about Whoopi or her past statements. Trump is easy -- he's ignorant as hell... but, we've also known that he was a racist since the 1973s.

[Asker]

So a lot Americans don’t know that Hitler hated Jews and was extremely racist? No still not giving Whoopi even an inch of wiggle room on that.

Also I don’t disagree that Trump’s rhetoric is often ignorant and asinine. But even he would say “oh hitler wasn’t racist”.

The thing is Trump is an entertainer, celebrity and he used to be a democrats. The real reason he’s drives so many leftists insane is he actually thinks and behaves the same way they do EXCEPT he’s spouting the opposite of their beliefs. The first thought that crosses his mind immediately jumps right out of his mouth. No apologizing. No self restraint.

Imagine watching a replica of yourself that behaves and operates the exact same way you do EXCEPT the replica is spouting the opposite of your belief system. It would drive you insane. To the point of derangement.

Trump is literally a constant mirror for far leftists. Genius psychoanalysis for people in a way.

Anyway despite popular leftist belief a lot of conservatives do NOT like Trump’s personality. Sure you got his hardcore maga supporters but a much larger segment if conservatives vote because his POLICY. Not his personality.

Watch the video @ravvid posted (it’s non partisan) and that will shed some light on why conservatives support Trump. We care more about brass tacks then being “entertained” by his personality.

[Sabretooth]

he likes Hitler and looks up to him. Trump has no values... Republicans just allow him to be his depraved self. Trump's policies are no different than other Republicans... and, we saw how things went for him in the primaries... so, that throws out your claim that a lot of conservatives don't like him. you can't separate the 2 -- you endorse it the most and you admit that it's not a dealbreaker for you -- either way, it shows that you have no concrete values.

[Sabretooth]

''and you admit that it's not a dealbreaker for you, at the least''

[JacobJordan]

Palestine didn't exist until 1948. Look at history. Palestine wants to turn the clock back to when it had the land Israel is on. They never had it because they never existed. Before Israel and Palestine it was British, the ottoman empire also held that area. In fact historically the closest reference to the word Palestine comes up during the Roman empire. When the Roman's sacked and captured that region of the world from the mixed jews and Arabs that were on the land. Then as a fuck you to the jews they named the region 'Palestina' the jews have always lived in that region it was the Roman's that started kicking them out. And most empires following did the same. The British gained control of that territory and gave the jews there home back and also gave the Arabs a portion of land that they could call whatever they want. That area is now called Palestine. And the original homeland of the jews is called Israel now. The jews were there before anyone else it was there home before anyone else. It existed thousands of years before Palestine was even thought of. Throughout history the jews have been open to sharing the land with Arabs meanwhile the Arabs have been set on killing all jews.

[Sabretooth]

@JacobJordan that was a long time ago. Netanyahu wants collateral damage -- as does Hamas. this has gone well beyond defending one's borders

[JacobJordan]

Hamas is a terrorist organization and recognized on a global level as one. The Palestine leader on a live interview even stated that the reason civilians are being hurt is because he doesn't care. Israel is issuing warnings before any operation to have civilians moved. Palestine refuses to do so because they are not Palestine and it lets Palestine manipulate idiots by saying Israel is targeting civilians. They are not. They are targeting weapons, and military areas that have been placed in apartment buildings and other civilian locations.

[Sabretooth]

@JacobJordan www.amnesty.org/.../

[JacobJordan]

Precisely what I am talking about. All of these things have already been investigated and once again I remind you that the leaders of those areas refuse to move the civilians. That is what leads to reports like that. Very tragic I might add but they were given ample notice and refused to move the civilians.

[JacobJordan]

These civilians would not be dying if the leaders moved the civilians away from the weapon caches and military installations. They refuse to do that so they can run news reports like that.

[Sabretooth]

@JacobJordan THEY'TR KILLING THEIR OWN PEOPLE: www.nbcnews.com/.../israel-hamas-war-live-updates-rcna129901

[jahaims]

You get societal and cultural acceptance and affirmation with minimum effort.

[Asker]

True. But I wonder if there have been any psychological research studies behind this. Hard data to back it up. I mean it’s plain as day obvious but still it would be nice to have hard research data to what motivates these people (often to their own demise).

[jahaims]

Check out Jordan Peterson. He breaks down this kind of stuff. I think there is a study out on teenage girls identifying as trans in mass at certain schools. The same idea pertains to your question.

[Asker]

I’ve listened to a few of his shows. He’s very good at it.

It’s too bad there can’t be a truly non-partisan research done on this psychology. The horrifying reality is the many of these so called “scientific” research institutions of have gone woke themselves. There are now countless “scientific” journals supporting the trans community. Like claiming that puberty blockers has no negative side effects on small children. That’s insane.

[Billlewis]

I think it's just the overwhelming desire to be popular.

[FreyaRed]

Woke-ism fulfills all check boxes of extremism. There are enough research studies about this subject

[Asker]

Right. But what is their motivation? @ravvid posted a good video about how they think.

[TommyMountainFigure]

I can sum it up in one sentence.
Woke has the same amount of letters in it as the word C**T, so why did they need to create a new word for it?

[Pohjolan]

I recommend reading The parasitic mind. by Gad Saad.

[normalice]

First there would need to be a definition for it.

[exitseven]

I suppose you should look for articles about indoctrination and brainwashing.

[DextroShade]

Woke people are miserable losers or they are evil globalists using the ideology to shroud their evil deeds in a false form of virtue.

[AngryCarl]

It's a pack mentality, no different to any popular movement. Once you've joined you forget what it was you signed up to do.