Where are you on overtime rules?

[OddBeMe]

Seems stupid to beleive trump is against this ruling.

Overtime just for hourly

Even salaried should have some overtime somewhere

No overtime pay ever

Other

[lightbulb27]

I think everyone should get overtime. I used to work crazy overtime... not a dime. but got paid in other ways but not direclty. to make fair, everyone gets overtime. wall street, owners bet rich on free labor.

not sure what the legal dispute is...

easy to do... sit in chair activates sensor so pay starts. clock out by faceprint chair with your head (reads your face print).

haha...

not sure how to make fair though because people have different productivity. if you make 10 widgets an hour but I make 3, should we get same overtime pay and pay? You are the boss now... you want to pay us same?

[beefcakebradybatson]

Couldn't agree more, lightbulb27.

[lightbulb27]

@beefcakebradybatson Thank you sir. Got your million $ idea there... faceprint activated seat;-)

[beefcakebradybatson]

My auto worker (and before that, brewery worker, slaughterhouse butcher, lumberjack and boxer) father was ONE HUNDRED PERCENT pro-union.

[lightbulb27]

@beefcakebradybatson in those jobs, totally could see why. coal mining and such as well. my grandfather was... he was worked to death in bad conditions. relatives worked in sweat shops.. dangerous, reptetive stress.
but father dealt with union and I saw misery from mgmt side... gotta deal with garbage workers and it's difficult to discipline and get them productive. this where unions fall apart.. they don't disicipline and train their own sometimes. That... is why I don't support unions. We are competing... globally... and unions screw their side of it. That's a reason Delphi whent kaput... not only one.
But without union, am on my own to negotiate with employer, which is what I chose... to be fired, etc.. it's a vulnerable thing. To me its better.. because employer needs flexibility to rebalance and get rid of trouble, but definitely get screwed. maybe a fair compromise is a union that helps people to negotiate and manage career... but not interfere so much.
It's nature, there's some balance.

[beefcakebradybatson]

In other words, you're waiting for the overlords to treat workers fairly. Without union (and other pressure) that'll happen the next Jyly Fourth Miami blizzards. Unions are sometimes poorly or corruptly run, but the fact that just seven percent of private sector U. S. toilers are unionized is the reason for the fact that CEOs make AT LEAST FIVE HUNDRED TIMES their employees' wages.(Then again, my father was an unabashed union supporter who warned my late sisters and me of the bosses' perfidy, so I don't have Stockholm Syndrome re. identifying with the overlords over the 99.999999%)

[lightbulb27]

@beefcakebradybatson yea, it's a sticky wicket to me. I don't see anyone forcing everyone to pay overtime getting through congress.
I've seen ceo pay go up for decades like that... it's ludicrious. thats a reason I avoid shopping at such places and don't buy their stocks. I don't own a tesla...
but some things, no choice. we've lost our sanity and bailing out failed companies (crony capitalism) is another side of the problem.
I dunno how to do it... I don't have employees... never have. I think I'd favor for my company (if I had one), not paying overtime, but stock options and bonus for achievement.
But most places like fast food and such, should have...
maybe a dual system like that... either or.

[DrPepper12]

The whole IDEA that employers get to choose the classifications for their employees is INSANE!!

You guys will be independent contractors!

Over there your salaried!

You'll be subcontractors!

You'll be part-time!

You guys will be interns!

When the employers are choosing how to classify the employees they then play the game of limiting hours to just short of the maximum, abusing salaried employees, denying healthcare by number of hours worked, denying breaks by number of hours worked, limiting the company match on 401Ks by job title, etc, etc.

ALL WITHOUT UNION INPUT!! No wonder the Germans think we're fucking nuts!

[Anonymous]

And who holds corrupt judges accountible for being paid off?

[bobby_bush_eater]

I was exempt in the military and as an accountant.

In the military it was fair, there were reasons and regulations.

Accounting that was fucking bs, idgaf how prestigious the accounting firm is, when you're merely paying the industry average in salary you will never get me to work 60-80 hours for a average VHCOL salary.

Then they act like they're doing you a favor. I'm more inclined to straight up say to my boss I'm not working until Monday and I'm not planning to ever work unpaid OT, this is taxes not life and death. Corpos put a lot of emphasis on your conformity, after the military I have little left for any private institutions trying modern games.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

I think they make want these laws so it's cheaper to hire more low level workers. Then they can pay fewer senior workers less hours to fix the new people's mistakes

[bobby_bush_eater]

@Telekinetic-Potato Not exactly; we already offshore so much of our work. I worked in Big 4 Accounting, and every single firm uses SE Asians remotely. The key is to keep it remote so they can never have the expectation of the wage where the firm actually is; if they get an average Indian wage or whatever country, then the firm doesn't care; it allows them to bill more.

[molonski2]

Point B.. The entire Salary thing is bullshit , so they get work for free , you guys only get 2 weeks annual leave , tiny by world standards.

Now is the salary is huge , maybe fair enough.. but most are not , its an excuse , when I was making massive money ( mainly commission ) I'd just do all the extra shit. but only because I didn't want someone saying " Hey , we paid you xxxx$ last year , thats on the annual report " , you still need a life.

[Surely]

Not sure how to reply to this post. When people give up hourly positions for salaried. They usually end up making less and working more.
I was wondering how salaried people would like Trump’s idea on no taxes on overtime?
As for the unions. Being a union member for forty plus years. The bad part of a union job is. Screw offs get represented and make the same money as the hard working people! Plus lay offs are by seniority!

[OddBeMe]

Not sure about that. Are you saying hourly workers are paid more and work less than any salaried employee?

[Surely]

@OddBeMe. What I have seen. When an hourly worker with OT benefits. Decides to become salary. If you were to figure the hours they are expected to work plus any unforeseen time. Then figure that as an hourly employee plus OT. There isn’t much difference in pay.
When you become salaried. You are at the company’s mercy!

[exitseven]

No tax on overtime seems to be a policy that will help the working class. Professionals that do not get paid by the hour should not be paid overtime. Every one of these guys I have known rarely work a full 40 hour a week anyway.

[lorenzomichael]

I’m in Union ironworker so yeah I believe in overtime anything after 8hrs is Time and a half. Anything after 12hrs is double time.

[noohair]

Salary is salary. If you want overtime, negotiate an hourly wage.