So, how does JD Vance proclaim that the US is a "Christian nation" while married to a Hindu.. having had a Hindu wedding ceremony?

[Anonymous]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/why-jd-vance-christian-nation-130033746.html

[Lliam]

Vance just says crap like that to pander to the idiot Christians who are the Republican base. But in reality, America is multicultural and contains people of all religions and spiritual beliefs.

Plus, it's a stretch for the Trump administration to make claims about being a Christian nation when the only religious symbols allowed in the capital this year are menorahs. It seems that the government has been taken over by Jews, and nothing could be more anti-Christian.

[Dargil]

Why does this matter to you and how does it affect your life personally? Are you just throwing a pie?

[Ariesman81]

David Zaslav, is the CEO of Warner Bros, and also CNN. David is Jewish, and CNN is commonly referred to by Trump and conservatives as "the fake news".

There were no Christmas trees in the White House?

[Dargil]

@Ariesman81 Good G0D! Lets string up Trump today!

[Ariesman81]

@Dargil

Why would I string up a man who believes Jesus is the truth?

[Lliam]

Thank you for the MHO.

[abc3643]

"The government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion". - Text in the Treaty of Tripoli, 1797, and signed by President John Adams.

[Asker]

Thank you!

[Chazmatazz269]

Not being founded IN religion was deliberate because of the strict Catholic oppression that Protestant Christians left Europe to escape. Separation of church and state was important, but that doesn’t mean their religious values and morals played no part in the founding of this country. The country was colonized and founded by Christians, codifying Christian values into the laws of the land. God is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence, and on our currency.

[lightbulb27]

That's one of the better arguments it is a Christian nation.

Some countries in the world might not allow such an event. A Christian nation does, we accept many of the others. Just don't water it down and turn it into something else. It's a core concept

He can proclaim anything he wants, it doesn't mean it's true, it's a vision/goal/desire.

We are definitely not Christian blowing boats out of the water with people surrendering. Not the Christian I know... maybe some other kind.

We are maybe more, a strong Christian nation... one that will destroy others if we see fit that is beneficial.

To be fair, it is not possible to be Jesus Christ in this world. He got killed once, others are getting slaughtered today just for their believes. Take all the swords away, we'd be overrun and turned into whomever swings the most power.

ya don't want that... stick with Christian.

[Curmudgeon]

Gee, and I thought you Leftists LIKED a "pluralistic and diverse society"?

But the fact remains: the USA IS A Christian Nation, founded on Christian Principles. Or perhaps a Judeo-Christian one, as much of the New Testament did indeed get derived from the Old. You didn't get parliamentary government (or in the USA case Presidential / Congressional Constitutional government) out of a Hindu or Islamic or Buddhist or Confucian or Shinto or any other faith's culture, many postive aspects of those other faiths notwithstanding.

A secular *government*, but the government is *not* the nation. (Then again, given the Left, maybe their misunderstanding of that is, well, understandable).

And come to think of it, even that Church/state distinction is a Christian, or perhaps a Judeo-Christian, principle: "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's..."

[Curmudgeon]

Even the vehment atheists, when asked to describe their ethical and value system, essentially re-hash Christianity when you get down to it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbhpUjXAfrM

[Miristheiss]

Because that is the origins of our country. The settlers were mainly from England. 15th century Europe through 18th century Europe.

They founded and settled it. Started many, many churches. Founded many universities.

Christianity is at the countries founding.

Just because the cultural turned pagan in the 60s and they decided to flood the country with as many opposite culture and religion as they could from the 60s on doesn't change that at its founding Christianity was at the core.

[Chazmatazz269]

The early colonies consisted largely of Protestants escaping the strict Catholicism that ruled much of Europe at the time. Leftists constantly try to deny this simple fact of history. The Declaration of Independence even mentions “God”, which distinguishes the Christian faith where Judaism would refer to Yahweh and Islam would refer to Allah.

[AviatorTom]

Having Christian values is not a religion, it's how people respecting other people's beliefs is being Christian, which is why the Founding Fathers (obviously Christian, read the first few lines of the Declaration of Independence) wrote it into the Constitution.

[BarryLiverstone]

Sorry to correct you, however the ceremony was innerfaith in Kentucky. His wife sippers him : https://www.christiantoday.co.in/news/ohio-senator-jd-vance-reveals-hindu-wifes-support-for-his-christian-faith.html

[Asker]

You're not paying attention. I'm pointing out his own words. He proclaimed this. His wife supporting his faith means nothing. Christian nationalism and interfaith don't go together. Nice try though. Do you honestly think he would have participated in an interfaith ceremony that was Christian and Satanic? Of course not. He's a hypocrite and a liar... plain and simple. Christian nationalism and interfaith don't go together. It implies that Christianity is superior to any other religion as it purports that Christianity is the "basis" of this country... which is a lie. The Founding Fathers made it clear that it's a lie. "God" wasn't even added to the Pledge of Allegiance until 1954. People are trying to change history to support this nonsense.

[BarryLiverstone]

He’s a politician. Which means he must lie. What’s the mystery in that?

[DryGermanGuy]

Looks like he is holding some sort of grudge:
Quote:
"When JD Vance told a stadium of thousands he hoped his wife would one day be moved “by the Christian gospel” the same way he was, he inadvertently stepped into a contentious dialogue in India and among the diaspora about religious freedom and, for some, evoked memories of the country’s complicated past with Christian proselytizing."

edition.cnn.com/.../jd-vance-wife-india-religion-debate-hnk-dst

[BarryLiverstone]

I also hope she’s moved by the gospel.

[Asker]

Christian nationalism is dangerous. Part of the country's "complicated past with Christian proselytizing" is marginalizing and persecuting people who are not Christian. What was done to Native Americans is just one glaring example. Forcing Christian prayer and bible study in public schools... as well as posting the 10 commandments in public schools is another. I want everyone to have the right to practice their own religion... or not to... and not feel fear because of religious bullying and discrimination.

[BarryLiverstone]

Society has evolved worldwide. Today marginalized people in the USA have much more freedom than in other parts of the world even in Christian strongholds. You can’t judge the past blindly as when slavery occurred as well as other human tragedies seemingly most people didn’t see moral concerns. It’s better to focus on the future and the Christian values we have as the foundation of our forefathers who wrote the constitution and wanted more individuality than Europe at the time.

Marginalized people are as much on Maslow as anyone else so a nation that can house and feed its citizens without fear of land wars and famine is kinda why more people want to migrate to the USA than anywhere in the world.

[BarryLiverstone]

Posting a sign that says to not lie and not murder someone is persecution? Sorry I can’t come to the conclusion, please educate me.

Saying the pledge of allegiance each morning in school is unifying as a nation, not meant to cause trauma. Men and women literally died for our freedoms.

[BarryLiverstone]

But you have a choice. You could move to Germany where posting something mean online could get you arrested. Is that a better place to live?

[DryGermanGuy]

Try to threaten, libel or expose someone online in the United States, see what happens. Especially in a litigious society such as yours.

[BarryLiverstone]

Been there. Suffered no penalties.

[BarryLiverstone]

Anons on gag threaten people daily

[DryGermanGuy]

GaG admins usually quickly remove what they see or gets reported to them. Try it with an American politician on a larger platform. I personally know a guy who got visited by the Secret Service after he made a few snarky remarks online about the Vice President. He was lucky that he still lived at home and his parents were able to stop him from talking himself into a pair of handcuffs. But he has a permanent record now, you can believe that.

[BarryLiverstone]

No doubt. He’s got a record because he’s a threat to national security. he's not in jail tho, he’s free to live

[DryGermanGuy]

He's free to live, because his parents could convince the agents that their rebellious son wouldn't follow through with anything he wrote. This might not work out so well for the next family, where everyone likes to mouth off against "da gooberment".
By the way, Germany has 58.000 people behind bars, the United States 2.5 million. That should tell you something about the eagerness and zealotry of the respective justice systems.

[BarryLiverstone]

You are right

[Asker]

Hmmm... pretty sure you don't identify in the marginalized group. Actually, I would bet on it.

[BarryLiverstone]

You would lose your bet. I’m mixed

[Asker]

Great! Just remove "God" from it. "God" wasn't added to the Pledge of Allegiance until 1954.

[Asker]

That's not what I said. I said I'm sure you don't identify as marginalized. There's a difference.

[BarryLiverstone]

I identify as marginalized

[Asker]

Keep rehearsing! You're not convincing!

[BarryLiverstone]

True. I’ll speak the truth.

[Ariesman81]

While it's true an unyoked marriage is a difficult/impossible marriage, it is also possibly the reason why Vance is seen as the probable conservative candidate. His mission to bring his wife to Christianity is what Christians are all about. Will he be successful in his marriage? Only God knows.

But the facts remain. Christians founded this country. Secular values are divisive by nature. If you want a peaceful union, there can only be one governing religion.

[loveslongnails]

Hmmm,,,, something to do with JD Vance being an idiot? Just a wild guess, but it has nothing to do with that statement alone; it's his general condition.

[Anonymous]

Well there's biblical Christianity and then there's MAGA Christianity which is just white American nationalism. For them it's okay to have brown wives. . . they'll live with the hypocrisy. . just like neo-nazis will make exceptions and fuck black hookers.

[Sevenpointfive]

i wish people would wake up and realize that all religions are stupid.

[Anonymous]

This is how you spend your time on Christmas Day? You must have a real shit life.

[jshm2]

Lol, you actually expect any politician to not be a hypocrite? Were you just born yesterday?

[888theGreat]

True, and as a "TRUE" Christian , you are not to marry a non believer. So, he can't divorce here over religion. Rumors are that he has the hots for the wife of Kirk.

[midnightmoon05]

What is your point?
why do you care so much about who says what? drama much?
what do you live by in your own way?

[Asker]

I don't want my government becoming a theocracy! That's why! We're on our way! The same folks yelling against "Sharia law" have no problem FORCING prayer in school and putting the 10 commandments in classrooms!

[BadApple69]

What he said and it is correct is that not everyone is Christian BUT this nation was fundamentally founded on Christian beliefs. 100% correct.
Sorry to say but Islamic beliefs go directly against what as a nation we believe.

[Asker]

"We"? You don't speak for me! I'm also an American! I'm not a Muslim! You are completely discounting millions in this country! This type of discrimination is vile, dangerous and insidious!

[Anonymous]

He spews racist crap about immigrants all the time, then cries when his fellow maga racists say it about his wife lol

[Anonymous]

Just because he is a married to a Hindu doesn't change the fact that the US is a Christian nation.

[Opinion Owner]

@abc3643 That statement was true then and still is today. But it doesn't change the fact that the success of the US was built on Christian VALUES. Hopefully you are savvy enough to see the difference.

[Opinion Owner]

@abc3643 So much for you being savvy enough to see the difference.

[KostasKouvalis]

He said the NATION is Christian, not that HE is

[Anonymous]

That's just nonsense, no nation is just one-religion, every nation has multiple-religions, as well as non-religious people (atheist, agnostic, pantheist)

[ABC1x1x]

Im an American Christian that married a pagan in a pagan ceremony. My kids are Christian. Wives are a joke in America. Totally irrelevant

[Anonymous]

The US was built by Christians and the Constitution was written with Christian values, especially the Bill of Rights. Nearly if not all of it can be traced back to the Bible.

That's why it is a Christian nation. If you don't like it, get tf out.

[Asker]

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law." - Thomas Jefferson

"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." -James Madison

"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."- Benjamin Franklin

"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind." - Thomas Paine

"We hold it for a fundamental and inalienable truth that religion and the manner of discharging it can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force." - James Monroe

[Opinion Owner]

These quotes doesn't necessarily prove that they aren't Christian, and maybe some weren't but I was mainly thinking of George Washington who was Christian.

To me these quotes seem to be justifications in why church and state should be separated, but the values are based on the Bible. Free speech, private property, private ownership of weapons, innocent until proven guilty and so on.

[Asker]

George Washington being Christian doesn't mean the country was founded on "Christian principles." He was the first president, not a king. Also, the Founding Fathers were escaping religious tyranny in Europe.

[Opinion Owner]

Literally read the Bible and you will see where each of the values within our constitution come from. I promise you it's not hard.

[Asker]

Do you realize that there are other religious and philosophical texts that promote the same values? Do you know how many different transactions there are of the Bible? Try actually studying other sources.. "It's not that hard." Christianity doesn't have the monopoly you think it has. The fog of white Christian nationalism is clouding historical truth and invalidating anything outside of its narrow scope. This is truly frightening.

[Opinion Owner]

You lost me at the "white christian nationalism" part. I can't take anyone who unironically uses that buzzword seriously.

[beefcakebradybatson]

He's a careerist pr*ck with no values save ones which advance his status.

[exitseven]

It was an interfaith marriage with parts from both religions.

[Asker]

Kinda dilutes the whole "Christian nation" pronouncement. Don't ever remember JD expressing the notion of religious pluralism. If he did, that would be a lie too. Remember when JD called Trump an "American Hitler"? I actually agreed with him then.

[exitseven]

Trump is not an American Hitler. He is somebody who believes in American exceptionalism. Democrats believe in the race to the bottom.

[Asker]

You don't remember when JD called him that... or when Lindsey Graham told the truth about him too? Does "American exceptionalism" include calling the Epstein Files a "Democratic hoax" after making their release the centerpiece of his campaign... with Patel and Bondi as his cheerleaders. Trump is leading the race to the bottom!

[exitseven]

Yes, America is hitting rock bottom alright. What was the Dow on Christmas Eve? How about the latest GDP? And how about the military recruitment figures? How many illegal aliens have been deported in Trump's first year?

[Asker]

Great job not focusing on my question. Christian nationalism and interfaith don't go together.

[exitseven]

What exactly is Christian Nationalism?

[Asker]

Look it up! JD is an expert!

[exitseven]

Thee is a classical definition which is people who believe in God that loves their country. Then the democrat version which is some white supremacist BS.

[Asker]

Let me correct you: "White Christian Nationalism"... It's a thing!

[Amur8711]

Or National was founded on Christian religion and values is why.

[Dargil]

Why and how does that matter overall and to you personally?

[Asker]

Simple. He's the Vice President pushing a false religious narrative. He did it again the other day. What he says and does should matter to all Americans. Christian nationalism and interfaith don't go together. He should be embracing religious pluralism instead of pushing a condescending and false narrative regarding religion. This is a not so subtle attack on diversity, equity and inclusion... which is at the core of Project 2025.

[Dargil]

Why does this matter to you personally?

[Dargil]

Oh, of course. You're just throwing another pie.

[Asker]

You're just chasing your tail which is amazing to watch you do with your head up your ass simultaneously!

[Dargil]

What you said has no effect on your life. All it is is bomb throwing.

[Asker]

I actually give a shit. You don't. I refuse to stand by and allow our country to become a theocracy. It affects me and many Americans deeply. Religious discrimination is not ok.

[Dargil]

How does that affect your liberty, money, security or rights?

[Asker]

Oh, I see! You don't give a shit about what national leaders say... except if it's "libtards" like Biden, Obama or Clinton, right? What leaders say influences policy. Policy affects my money, security and rights. In this case, my rights regarding religion. Let me repeat myself... white Christian nationalism and interfaith don't go together. Period. I prefer national leaders who dedicate themselves to protecting everyone's right to religion or NO religion.

[FreyaRed]

He is a hypocrite.

[Anonymous]

Y'all just love these silly gotchas, huh? You need real problems.

[Asker]

It's amazing how MAGATS bend over backwards to defend the hypocrisy of the Dear Leader and his cohorts. by the way, Trump is pumping out plenty of real problems...

[Opinion Owner]

Apparently not, you've got time and energy to focus on some other guy's wedding.

[BarryLiverstone]

The asker is in error. JD was married in an interfaith ceremony.

[Asker]

Not "some other guy." He's the Vice President running around calling the US a "Christian nation." He just did it again the other day. Christian nationalism and interfaith don't go together. He's a hypocrite.

[Opinion Owner]

That means the US was founded on Christian principles, in his opinion. It doesn't mean everyone and everything here has to be Christian. He had an interfaith ceremony out of respect for his bride. You're going to break your arm reaching so hard.

[Bricealan]

Yep, Agree! He should get a job or get out more.

[Asker]

Show me the proof that this country was founded on "Christian vales"? Was slavery, the genocide of Native Americans, Jim Crow, denying women and minorities the right to vote for decades... and the list goes on, "Christian values"? Don't be ridiculous!

[Asker]

@Bricealan Why don't you try reading a book or going back to school (if you ever did)? Where have you actually traveled in the US or the rest of the world? Where do you work? How much money do you make? What are your academic credentials? Your answer already shows your ignorance.

[supercutebutt]

Vance is a dingus

[Alex-Snow]

Great pic... Vance is a hypocrite

[Anonymous]

Hard to call vance racist isn't it.

[Pterodon]

Because the majority of Americans are

[FunkyMonkee]

So what?