Emma Watson: a Hypocrite Representing Feminism?

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Feminist...that word may bring many different thoughts and ideas to your mind. But what does it REALLY mean? Well, the Merriam-Webster definition states,

1: the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes.
2: organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests.

Why then, can so many feminists themselves not agree? Every day I see something in the news about feminists. However, the latest controversy surrounds a very vocal feminist, Emma Watson. She is being called a hypocrite for posing braless for a Vanity Fair shoot, sparking controversy in the feminist community.

In the interview with Vanity Fair, Watson talks about her life from playing Hermione Grainger to championing women's rights as a UN Ambassador and her upcoming role in the live action remake of a classic, Beauty and the Beast.

The high fashion photo shoot features Watson in a wide variety of haute couture outfits. But, one image in particular has proven controversial on social media and some are questioning Watson's feminist values. This image of Watson sporting a Burberry shrug braless is the center of the controversy.

Many people took to Twitter to express their thoughts, with some claiming no one would take her or feminism seriously after this.

Emma Watson: "Feminism, feminism... gender wage gap... why oh why am I not taken seriously... feminism... oh, and here are my tits!" pic.twitter.com/gb7OvxzRH9

— Julia Hartley-Brewer (@JuliaHB1) March 1, 2017

Some find Watson's action to be hypocritical considering her past of speaking up against over sexualization of women in the media.

fuck Emma Watson for shaming Beyoncé and discrediting her feminism for being sexual; and then turning around to do a topless shoot though.

— 🌛drea🌜 (@hijadepavlov) March 2, 2017

One person mentioned the hypocrisy given recent calls from feminists to ban images of topless models in newspapers.

Feminist: Page 3 girls? Topless? Ban them! Emma Watson topless? Brave and Stunning! #doublethink #hypocrisy

— brett caton (@bcaton2) March 1, 2017

Others jumped at the opportunity to defend Emma Watson by saying those who are angry don't know what feminism is and that the outrage demonstrates why feminism is needed.

An attempt to undermine @EmmaWatson's feminist credentials by objectifying her body & criticising her choices. This is why we need feminism https://t.co/yQUxv2DJ76

— Amelia Womack (@Amelia_Womack) March 1, 2017

Sorry how does Emma Watson going bare on her vanity fair cover contradict her feminism???? If anything it favours it

— Danielle Douglas (@danielle_d96) March 2, 2017

Lol everyone calling @EmmaWatson a hypocrite for exposing *part* of her breasts are by doing so highlighting exactly why feminism is needed

— Polly Bartlett (@PollyVBartlett) March 1, 2017

This brings up the question, if so many feminists can't even agree on what is okay and what is not okay, how then can anyone else take the movement seriously? Is it okay for women to expose their bodies because it's a personal choice or does exposing our bodies exploit and objectify women, therefore going against feminist ideals? It seems like these are things the feminist movement as a whole needs to figure out. If we are fighting among ourselves, it takes the focus away from other important goals.

What are your thoughts? Post your opinions below!

[Anonymous]

Feminists do agree on the definition of feminism. Feminazis are the ones who are disagreeing, but hey, they are not true feminists, they are just misandrists.
There is no valid reason why Emma shouldn't pose braless.
The only reason why she is under attack of alleged "feminists" is because she is beautiful, while the so-called "feminists" (actually feminazis) are ugly, fat, old hags, who are jealous of all attractive women.
Beauty never contradicts feminism, it contradicts feminazism. The main problems are self-proclaimed "feminists" (Feminazis), who are very vocal in promoting hatred towards men, in the name of "feminism", although, their philosophy has nothing to do with the original feminism.

[Elarra]

She's just annoying in general. I was mad when she got the part for Belle in Beauty and The Beast. I don't even want to see the movie because of her.

[LittleSally]

Please... if she wants to show her body off - it's 100% her choice.
+ she's been a model for Burberry for years now...
+ it was probably too much money to say no to...

It has nothing to do with feminism - at all.

[applesandoranges22]

I thought you werent biased yet here you are, not admitting the hypocrisy lol. It has everything to do with feminisim. She comes out as a self proclaimed feminist, then she slanders beyonce for posing topless and goes on about how women are being objectified by media then she turns around and does the SAME exact thing. On top of all of this, it seems like now a lot of feminists are arguing with eachother as if none of them are on the same side. Feminism has become a big joke due to the hypocrisy and shaming that media has pushed to younger females

[LittleSally]

@applesandoranges22 Honey, you know nothing about me...
https://www.dictionary.com/

[applesandoranges22]

so you are a dictionary?

[Tdieseler]

@DooMguy and we are RIGHT BACK to the very thing all smart men have always said. Women dont even know what the fuck they want.
Even in their own civil rights fight/campaign, they are getting their destination and endgame confused. Many join without even knowing what its really about and because the originals themselves dont even know what they want, they can't pass down a clear message to the younger ones.
I've met feminists that believe it should be ok to be topless, and I've met feminists that think women going topless on tv is an affront to females... lol.. i mean really? make up your minds.

To all you feminists out there and the feministic morons (femi-nazis) I've been watching your movement for the LONGEST and i have to say, I am a BIG BIG fan. and if I had my way, i would want equality for all women, "politically, economically, and socially". I mean, i LOVE to watch things just crash and burn, i would fight tooth and nail for THE DAY women will become Male equals. Thats the day that feminists around the world would renounce it.
You want to be men, or like men? PLEASE have at it. You have NO IDEA how hard it is to be one.

Hey Feminists, here's your official definition:
Feminism: noun. the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.
This is the modern day definition of Feminism:
Feminism: noun. advocacy of a bunch of already entitled moron (not all of em) in the female gender who regardless of how good they have it, want more anyway. People who want to have all the "perks" of being male, and leaving its down sides, thereby keeping the perks of being female as well.

PLEASE World, lets hurry up and give it to them. I would love to stop paying for dates, having expectations on some stupid circle with a rock on it, won't be afraid of losing half my stuff after, and if some higher positioned person at work gets pregnant, i can put in for a promotion as that spot will be empty soon.
Oh, the list goes on, but those are just a drop of the things that irk me somewhat.
List all the double standards... and you get more on that list.
Feminism... pheh stupid groups misinterpreting the mission. Just like the dumbass MGTOW's.
You can't be fully equal you morons, we were created to be Co-Dependent. One needs the other and vice versa. Who's fucking measuring. As long as we all do our part, whats the problem?

[Waffles731]

Amanda Palmer, a famous and very talented singer, and wife of Novelist Neil Gaiman is a feminist,
She also did a song called Dear Daily mail after the daily mail did an article on her nip slip in the glastonbury festival, where performing dear daily mail she ripped off a kimono on stage revealing her fully nude body during the song,

Dear Daily Mail,
It has come to my recent attention
That my recent appearance at Glastonbury festivals kindly received a mention
I was doing a number of things on that stage up to and including singing songs (like you do),
But you chose to ignore that and instead you published a feature review of my boob!

Dear Daily Mail,
there's a thing called a search engine: use it!
If youd googled my tits in advance, youd have found that your photos are hardly exclusive
In addition you state that my breast had escaped from my bra like a thief on the run,
You do you know that it wasn't attempting to just take in the RARE British sun?

Dear Daily Mail,
Its so sad what you tabloids are doing,
Your focus on debasing womens appearances ruins our species of humans,
But a rag is a rag and far be it from me to go censoring anyone - OH NO
It appears that my entire body is currently trying to escape this kimono.

Dear Daily Mail,
You misogynist pile of twats,
Im tired of these baby bumps, vadge flashes, muffintops,
Where are the newsworthy COCKS?
If Iggy or Jagger or Jowie go topless the news barely causes a ripple...
Blah blah blah feminist blah blah blah gender shit blah blah blah
OH MY GOD! NIPPLE!

Dear Daily Mail,
You will never write about this night,
I know that because I've addressed you directly, I've made myself no fun to fight;
But thanks to the internet, people all over the world can enjoy this discourse,
And commune with a roomful of people in London who aren't drinking kool-aid like yours!

And though there be millions of people wholly accept the cultural bar where you have it at,
There are plenty of others whore perfectly willing to see breasts in their natural habitat!

I keenly anticipate your highly literate coverage of upcoming tours

[Waffles731]

I'd link a video but I'm pretty sure it would get taken down for the full frontal nudity part

[lumos]

"Why then, can so many feminists themselves not agree?"

Because, as with any other ideology, there are many different branches within feminism that sort of separate feminists, and that not all feminists might agree with.
This is like saying that Christianity shouldn't be taken seriously as a religion, because Christians have divided themselves into Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant etc.
I still don't really get why people get so surprised over the fact that such a large group of people have their own interpretations and views within the ideology. It's literally impossible for everyone to agree on everything, that's a fact. Even people within political parties still have slightly different views than their fellow party members. Why should a movement or ideology be discredited simply because people have slightly different opinions sometimes? I think having different opinions is healthy for movements, as it creates discussions and helps the movement move forward on different kinds of issues.

[AskAlthea]

I can understand why she's under attack if she apparently shamed Beyonce for exposing her body and then opts to do the same, that's hypocritical. I don't follow celebrity news so not sure the circumstances of it, plus if that happened, you're definitely going to have a lot of Queen B supporter's shitting on Emma for the apparent hypocrisy.
I do have a problem with the way feminists are perceived and honestly, if Emma did throw shade on Beyonce for exposing herself, I do disagree. If a woman chooses of her own free will to dress in a particular way, what right do we have to tell them how to dress? To throw shade on a woman like that is not being a feminist. To throw shade on them and then do it yourself makes you a hypocrite.
I do think a lot of people take easier to Emma being a feminist because she played Hermione. A strong independent intelligent female character, a character who is very much a feminist.
What is feminism, to me it's allowing women to make decisions of their own free will. If you are doing something because you are told to, it is not your free will, if you do something because it is against the establishment, it is not free will, if you do something because it is truly what you wish to do, then whether the action agrees with society or is against it doesn't matter, you did it because that is what you wanted. It means if you want to go into a non-traditionally female field, go for it, but if you want to go into a traditionally female field, you shouldn't get shade for that decision. It means if you want to bare your body for public, go for it, we shouldn't shame that, but if you want completely button up, we shouldn't shame you for being a prude. And so, baring your body doesn't make you MORE of a feminist, but shaming another feminist for her choice of what she chose to do with her body does make you LESS of one.

[Tanuron]

Im no fan of feminism nor Emma watson honestly, since seen some of her "feminist speeches" guess could call it where yeah just spread lies, but even so. Dont think she's a hypocrite at all with this, I think thats just nonsence. How on earth can a movement or whatever claim to be about freedom in so many ways yet condem any women really who choose to go naked even if they wanted to, lets not forget "free the nipple" thing too that a lot of feminist stood behind.

Regardless, lets not forget either that objectification always come from the viewer really, cause its a perception thing. As horrible it may be to play with this idea (since im ugly, lol) , lets say I got naked and made some photoes for a magazin. To me, I would do it cause I wanted to, to express or share myself in a way. Thats my view. Like if other people say and decide that im objectifying myself cause maybe some women would like look at my body, make remarks, only see me as a body etc, see less of me anyway. They are the one who do the objectifying naturally. if the person themselves dont feel like what they are doing is objectifying, then no such thing takes place other than for those people who do objectify you, that turns you into it. But that is their problem and not yours.

[TiffyPuff]

So like, I think the guys have a point when they say feminism makes women ugly, cuz those photos are awful!! Like, her haircut makes her look like a teenage boy with boobs 😂😂

And there's feminist things I agree with, but it seems kinda dumb sometimes. I mean, isn't being sexual just human? What's wrong with being pretty and desirable?

Guys shouldn't look at women just as sex objects, but like, if I want to have a baby (a feminine thing cuz duh), shouldn't I want guys to want to fuck me? So like, one of the things that's most women-y about us basically requires us to be sexy, so like, being feminine can't be separated from being sexually desirable. Why shouldn't blindly be proud of one of the things about women that makes me a woman?

So guys seeing us sexually isn't bad, it's kinda like we're doing it right. It's only bad if that's the only thing they want, but like, I get to choose who has sex with me, so if a guy doesn't appreciate me right, I can just say fuck off and be responsible and stuff. So I don't think it's necessary to be angry at guys for liking us sexually, cuz we're supposed to be and they're supposed to get attracted.

[TiffyPuff]

So I think it's fine she had a topless shoot. 😊
Except for the part where she looks awful! 😂

[applesandoranges22]

teenage boy with boobs looool

[Anpu23]

There are two schools of feminism "sex positive" and "sex negative", Sex positive believe that a woman s the owner of her body, and should be able to do whatever she want's with it. Pose nude, have sex with anyone she wishes, and for some even sell it in prostitution. It's her body, she can do as she wishes with it.

Sex negative on the other hand feels that a woman selling her body for (presumably) male gratification is being exploited, and demeaning not only herself but ALL women (the concept of "one woman" being a staple of second wave feminist thought). She's encouraging rape couture, and the objectification of women in general.

That's why you see both sides of this argument.
As for the "dictionary definition" of feminism, it certainly doesn't cover every issue, and thought within the feminist camps. I honestly feel that this definition is flawed, and wrote a mytake about it: www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a27260-the-definition-of-feminism-my-proposed-revision

[victoriaxoxo]

sex negative feminism is utter crap. How can a feminist state that she believes that women have a choice and should exercise it and yet if they don't exercise the choice they are wrong. What are women who do like sex or gym or attention or fashion meant to do? Most of these females who believe that men can't decide for women but yet they can decide for other women are sexist feminazis.

[Anpu23]

@victoriaxoxo I don't advocate for either, in fact I am anti-feminist I am just explaining.

[victoriaxoxo]

So you don't believe a woman has a right over her body? Suppose you could be referring to Society's standards but who sets them and therefore can change them? Isn't it humans themselves? So I suppose you would oppose free the nipple either because women have no right to expose their nipples or because it is against societies norms for females, but not for males, to expose their breasts. Let's assume you support the latter, then I'd like to know why since if there are no sufficient reasons why women can't be allowed (and there aren't, there are reasons but they are hardly sufficient at core) to expose some boob, who are we to halt this change in convention. Why are we playing hot potato with conventional change, we both know if enough of the population wants the change, eventually it will have to happen, whether in this generation or the next. Sure 'not in my time' mentality might seem comforting but is it really a good long-term solution?

[Anpu23]

@victoriaxoxo no, I support free the nipple, and I agree that bodily autonomy is important for all people. You'll find no argument from me on these issues from me.

[Anpu23]

@victoriaxoxo I said that I don't advocate for these issues. Doesn't mean that I don't agree with the core issues at hand. My advocacy is in a completely different direction such as bodily autonomy for small boys...

[Bananaman177]

What real feminists actually believe:
https://i.imgur.com/hKwZXti.png

What useful idiots think feminism means:
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Who really FUNDS feminism and feminist actions throughout the West:
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Feminism at the top of the pyramid is very different than what gets shoved down the useful idiots' throats down on the bottom levels. Follow the money. It's all a dystopian dysgenics program at the highest levels. They actually hate and despise women and men and children and everything else.

[ΉOMO_乇尺乇CTU丂]

The ordeal here reminds of something on a bigger scale…. The saying here is ‘’How can feminist be taken seriously when feminists can’t even agree on something, Emma Watson posing provocative in a ttitty showing pose’’

This reminds me of USA.. If we look at their theoretical doctrine which is the constitution. Which is concise and pretty clear on its values but in reality their action is vastly different. How can American empire be taken seriously if they act so hypocritical and their two party system can't agree on many things hmmm?
www.democracynow.org/.../iraq-shock-and-awe.jpg

https://www.wepsite.de/Steve_Bell_Shock_and_Awe.jpg

www.thesleuthjournal.com/.../Obama-drones.jpg

[Other_Tommy_Wiseau]

Stay off the cocaine, muh nigga 👌

[ΉOMO_乇尺乇CTU丂]

@Other_Tommy_Wiseau
I'm not on cocaine. I'm serious.. Does the hypocrisy of US should make US illegitimate the same way people saying feminist movement is an illegitimate movement due to the hypocrisy?

[Other_Tommy_Wiseau]

It's about feminism 😂😂😂

https://youtu.be/udNHsk57f24

[Anonymous]

Really you can be a feminist who walks around topless and you can be a feminist who walks around fully covered. As long as the person is choosing to express themselves a certain way, that is their right to do so.

And who says that for a movement to have credibility that everyone has to be in 100% agreement? I personally, like to see disagreement, because disagreement is healthy. You need disagreement so that there are checks and balances. There is accountability in disagreement.

What if you saw a movement, and everything was going well, but there was just a few things you wanted to tweak. Does that undermine the whole movement? No. But what a person can do in that case if they disagree or see something they don't like is to speak up.

Everyone sees the world differently. And feminists should recognize that and allow people to express their sexuality how they see fit. If someone chooses to be covered, so be it. If someone chooses to let everything show, so be it.

I can certainly see why people would have issues with Emma Watson, especially if she has in the past spoken against Beyonce.

[Izumiblu]

To my mind, feminism is a washed up out of date idea. Yes, at one time it was an important ideal in the west, but now its just silliness. If anything, me being a woman makes it easier for me than many men i work with so any one that says they are taking up women's rights in the west... my first question is... do you have nothing better to do... really? Take up women's rights in Saudi Arabia... or disadvantaged teens, or homeless as a cause... but feminism is really just a way for a lazy person to claim they have taken up a righteous cause by just doing what they would do anyway. Who cares?

[AleDeEurope]

But that's what feminists do, they're a bunch of hypocrites.
They spend all day complaining about how women are objectified and sexualized, but then they proceed to sexualize themselves. They go around half naked. They call themselves sluts, whores, dirty... They talk about sex a lot and say how they can fuck whoever they want. They dress as vaginas. They pose in naked photoshoots... They're contradicting themselves. They don't want men and society to sexualize them, but they do it themselves...

What Emma Watson did doesn't surprise me at all, it's just typical feminist behavior, aka hypocrisy.

[SarahsSummer]

I'm so fed up with the these feminazi idealist basHing on their own gender. A woman is making a decision for herself to pose braless. Big fucking deal. MaLe actors are bulking up and posing shirtless everywhere we turn. Why? because it increases their celebrity and in turn can increase their pay check. If feminism is based on equality and the rights of women, why bash a woman for exhibiting her RIGHT to pose braless. There was a time when feminists rose up to defend against men oppressing women. Now feminism is about oppressing or shaming one their own. SMH.
LIVE AND LET LIVE PEOPLE. LIVE. AND. LET. LIVE.

[MazeOfLove]

As someone who does relationship coaching and women empowerment for a living, I find one big issue with Emma Watson as it relates to feminism - Hypocrisy. If she hadn't shamed Beyoncé, I'd have zero issue with her or what she did.

Let's assume she hadn't shamed Beyoncé. What I'd say then is that her being confident and composed in whatever she wants to wear is just fine. People who decry feminists and women advocates for showing cleavage or whatever are missing the point and the point is this: Stop defining women and feminism by antiquated generalizations that define what they should be able to say, wear, do, etc. We need a feminist movement so that we can get to a new normal that doesn't even make Emma's picture seem scandalous.

But the hypocrisy draws her credibility down a bit. From my lens.

[victoriaxoxo]

I agree with you completely, feminism is meant to be about choice. We want to eliminate the bullies to tell girls to wear this or that, but instead many women label themselves feminists just because they oppose guys who tell girls to dress sexy and act girly. Unfortunately they don't realise that they go much further and start hating on girls who made a choice to dress that way and attempt to bully the girls to become bossy and '''''prudish''''' in the name of feminism.

I used to be a hypocrite like that towards guys, before I fully grasped the concept of true feminism, I used to believe that guys should still pay and act a certain way, therefore I was the bully whom feminism (and I wish I could say meninism but unfortunately current men-rights movement is just a parody of feminism and not the opposite sex version of it) tries to enlighten. Either way, although we shouldn't slut shame Emma for the picture, she is a hypocrite for shaming others and trying to box people in.

[Idonthaveausername]

I don't understand the outrage. Feminists have been burning their bras and trying to walk around nude for over 50 years. From what I've seen, she's acting like a feminist. Seriously, the mentality shouldn't change just because she's more attractive than the first ones who did it

I thought feminists were trying to desensitize men to boobs by posing topless and running around town topless. (Mind you every girl doing that would not desensitize or desexualize boobs for men, only make them more perverted.) Feminists need to figure out what they want, how they're going to get it, and be consistent in their actions rather than attack each other. (Or go ahead and attack each other because you deserve to have your organization fall apart if you're going to be that petty)

If Emma Watson wants to pose topless, she can go ahead and do that. She's an adult and is perfectly capable of making her own decisions

[applesandoranges22]

feminism needs to die as it is destroying places like the UK, sweeden etc. its NOT good for society and is making things worse with idiots like emma stone, or radicals that run sweden.

[Idonthaveausername]

@applesandoranges22
I agree except it's Emma "Watson" we're talking about, not Emma "Stone." They're two different people. Feminists incite hatred between men and women. They're the ones responsible for the gender war

[applesandoranges22]

emma stone, emma watson. all the same people my memory is not what it used to be

[JuicyBrain]

I don't understand why she can't be a feminist and show her breasts if she wants to. Isn't that what feminism is about? Women being in charge of themselves and their life? She hasn't been forced to show her breasts, she decided to show them. By the way, we don't see much to be honest...

[FroggyDoggy96]

According to this post she criticized beyonce for going topless. contradiction

[applesandoranges22]

@FroggyDoggy96 all of feminism these days is one big contradiction. They run in circles and are not really accomplishing things that would better this society.

[JuicyBrain]

@FroggyDoggy96 Only crazy people never change their mind. What if her views softened a bit?

[applesandoranges22]

juicy brain, if her views changed, she owes beyonce and the men that were ''objectifying women and oppressing them'' an apology.

[JuicyBrain]

@applesandoranges22 I don't disagree...

[FroggyDoggy96]

I agree with him as well. Good point, if you are going to change, you need to admit you were wrong after slandering.

[cipher42]

Anyone who thinks her actions are hypocritical clearly needs to learn a thing or two about feminism. Yes, feminists have an issue with sexualization in the media. But a good part of the feminist stance on that is that feminists believe the female body shouldn't be considered inherently sexual in the first place. In other words, women should be able to reveal their breasts without that being seen as sexual at all. So there's absolutely no contradiction between fighting sexualization in the media and posing for nude or revealing photos.

[Iraqveteran666]

"So there's absolutely no contradiction between fighting sexualization in the media and posing for nude or revealing photos." So Kim Kardashian breaks the internet with her big behind=slut but prominent feminist whips her breasts out=hero.

[cipher42]

No? Both cases should be perfectly acceptable. Like, erotic nude photos and non-sexual nude photos are both fine, as long as it's because the women themselves want to do them. What we have right now is a bunch of predominantly male producers and writers and such deciding they want a sexy lady for the sake of having a sexy lady, which is where the actual issue lies.

[Iraqveteran666]

Producers and writers know what sells. Why are so many women so fond of women like Emma Watson, Kerria Knightly and Beyonce because basically they want to be them or be like them so by putting them in a movie, or music video or in certain clothes or on the cover of a magazine is going to sell. Last time I checked guys don't read Vanity Fair so the sexualisation is directed at women not by a few guys but teams of market research people. Quite frankly if you want to sell something to a woman you advertise an attractive woman aged 18-30 that men desire and your guaranteed most women will buy your product and even pay double the price as anyone else. 70% of all advertising is directed at women and a lot of research goes in to the psychology of women and what they buy and why they buy it.

[applesandoranges22]

this logic makes no sense at all. So basically you want people to act like females aren't sexually attractive? so that would be the same as telling a girl that they are wrong for finding a muscular build sexually attractive and that we shouldn't exploit it? By the way, she EXPLICITLY stated that women posing with their breasts out is objectifying and called beyonce out for it yet... she did it. its sad how feminists can't even admit the toxicity within their own movement.

[cipher42]

@Iraqveteran666 This is 100% beside the point. The point is the goals and views of feminism on what's happening. I'm not here to explain why those views are accurate, I'm here to explain why they're not contradictory. Which I've done, so could you maybe shoo and maybe go actually do some research on this?

[cipher42]

@applesandoranges22: Are you at all aware of what sexualization even is? Like, have you done actually any research whatsoever about what it is and about how feminism thinks it manifests and how it should be dealt with? Because right now it sure seems like you haven't, so can you maybe leave and come back once you have?

[Iraqveteran666]

Just to say that women wanting to be seen as sexually attractive has nothing to do with men and everything to do with women. Peace out.

[cipher42]

@Iraqveteran666 Not how marketing works buddy. And like, women are the one's who have been fighting this, so. But w/e, you clearly lack the basic critical thinking skills necessary to understand this one, so run along now and quit bothering me.

[applesandoranges22]

cipher I know what sexulaisiation means but you clearly dont if you dont realize that these words are all tied together and can be interchanged. here is the textbook definition. ''Sexualization (or sexualisation) is to make something sexual in character or quality, or to become aware of sexuality, especially in relation to men and women. SEXUALIZATION IS LINKED TO SEXUAL OBJECTIFICATION'' feminism, at the end of the day is politics and tries its best to make it seem as if women cannot objectify themselves rather they are just ''empowering'' their image. of course, all of this falls out the window when you use logic. You mean, all it takes to objectify someone is to have man pitch the idea instead of a women? that holds no real weight outside of feminists backwards logic. the women 100% consents to showing her body in a sexual way, making her as equally at fault as the man who offered her the position. They are both responsible for objectifying

[applesandoranges22]

and there is nothing wrong with objectifying as men do the same thing when they pose with their shirt off. They are show casing their body and the same as women. This makes both of them easy to be degraded as a sexual object as the first thing that pops in your mind when you see a sexual picture is something associated with it, not how nice that persons personality is.

[cipher42]

Ookay, so clearly you do not actually understand the discourse around this at all. I don't have the energy to give you a lesson on this myself right now, so how about you go find some actual feminist essays on the subject and educate yourself before you make even more of a fool of yourself.

[applesandoranges22]

this is typical. WHy would I even consider essays that share your stance if you dismiss things that are clearly in your face. you deny her hypocrisy when its in your face and you deny the fact that objectification is linked with sexualization as it has stated in the textbook definition. you are denying facts, then you tell me to go look up some feminists essays when I already told you how its all politics, and doesn't involve actual logic. this logic is the equivalent of saying that blacks cannot be racist. It involves no logic at all. I'll stay with my facts, but you can keep reading those illogical essays.

[Iraqveteran666]

@applesandoranges22 read feminist propaganda to learn the difference between why it's empowering for women to allow themselves to objectified but completely sexist and misogynist for men to look at those same women in a sexual way even though that's what they desire.

[Ragini]

Wow. This one is a great Take, to start off with.
Now coming to the question, I don't see how showing off parts of your body contradict feminism's ideals. There have been instances when men pose bare. Why can't women.
Feminism is equality for men and women.
I just don't understand how the fuck is showing off your body 'wrong' or against the ideals of feminism. If Emma Watson is doing that... she is not contracting feminism's ideals.
There has never been a rage as such among people when actors show off their bodies... aren't they too nude at that time. So why her? Why are we going so mad at her?
If she is showing off her body, and she hasn't been forced to do that, its perfectly fine and in no way is it contradicting ideals of feminism. Period.

[MrOracle]

While I completely agree that showing off your body isn't anti-feminist, the real problem is that many feminists - including Watson - constantly equate women "being exploited for their sexual images" as being anti-feminist. Yet, when Watson has the opportunity to make money and get attention for doing so, she is happy to do so.

It isn't the nudity or sexuality that's the problem - it's that feminists are SO hypocritical about it. They want it both ways, and that's not going to happen.

[Ragini]

@MrOracle
True. I guess we don't want sexual exploitation even if we pose nude. I mean, yeah it's difficult.
Men don't face the same kind of sexual exploitation that women face when they pose nude.
Now if u are asking why did Ms. Watson show off her body when she herself condemned it then- I guess she changed her heart a bit. All of us change isn't it? There are things I'm life which make us change our view points so probably her heart softened a bit...

[MrOracle]

But that's the thing: where is her apology to the women she's ATTACKED and trash-talked for doing exactly what she's doing? It's not like she passively said "I don't do nude stuff because I believe it exploits women" - she actively called out other women in the media! And she probably doesn't even recognize her own hypocrisy, because she's surrounded by people who never tell her she's wrong.

[Ragini]

@MrOracle
Yeah. But hey I never heard that. Could you link That video or interview pls?

[SKIRUNNER95]

It seems that there's two sides to modern day thirdwave feminism. You're either really conservative (almost sharia law conservative), and never shave or wear nice clothes and look incredibly "modest" (more like you don't bathe yourself), or you're extremely out going about your sexuality, wear extremely revealing clothes, and talk about all the sex you have. By definition I'm a feminist, but by the modern definition I hate women cause I find both to be incredibly far-left or far-right. There doesn't seem to be an exact in between.

[Ghassan2]

Don't put Shari'a in this non sense. Shari'a respects women and you will find that if you type stuff on google or youtube.

[SKIRUNNER95]

@Ghassan2 not insulting sharia. I'm saying sharia is incredibly modest and it is by western standards. Some women are incredibly modest about how they dress as well, and they're not muslims. I'm sorry if I offended you stating that.