Breaking: The Russian invasion of Ukraine has started. What should be done to stop Putin?

[smahala1991]

As the UN Security Council is urging Putin to step back his troops, Russia has invaded the Ukraine.

[ScottStevens]

The problem began when the West started flirting with Ukraine to become part of NATO. It would be like Canada becoming aligned by Treaty with Russia.

Putin is a bully and wants Ukraine back as part of the USSR which fell apart during the Reagan's Presidency. Reagan was a strong leader who was very instrumental in the demise of the USSR. We no longer have leaders in Washington who can win wars without ever firing a shot. Sleepy Joe is just a puppet for people hiding behind a wall almost like the Wizard of Oz. We need somebody to pull back the curtain and expose who is really running our Government. That weakness on our part is why Putin is so bold.

In WWII Germany attacked Russia to get at the Oil fields. Guess where the oil is! The southern part of Russia and Ukraine. In 2021 Biden destroyed our national energy production and exposed us to great harm since Putin has the oil, and we are not allowed to produce our own.

Our hands are tied up on this one. We have no leverage to do anything about the mess we helped to create, and Europe has never shown the ability to unite and fight off aggression on their own. They always wants us to fight their wars.

Let's not forget that Biden signed off on the Pipeline from Russia to Germany so now Russia is supplying the majority of Gas and Oil to Germany. Germany may say angry things in response, but they will never stop helping Russia by shutting down the flow of energy to themselves and the flow of money back to Putin.

And please stop with the "we must save Democracy" crap. After taking power the opposition leaders in Ukraine were all jailed and the press became part of the ruling party or were shut down!

[ChrisMaster69]

Well the question is not really Ukraine.

that will be sanctions as nothing else can be used.

what will the response be to China moving to Taiwan and North Korea to South.

This now shows to both countries that the UN will do absolutely nothing.

Also Putin will simply be completing what ‘ethnic cleansing’ was started under the Tsars and then more with Lenin and Stalin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification_of_Ukraine

If you move the entire population from an area and then put your people in, the area is only say Russian because the original population does not have a voice.

The other areas are in NATO and anything else would be a serious attack.

Also his excuse for NATO on his borders…. Sort of like he moved his borders and where NATO spending was dramatically reduced, the opposite will now most likely occur and NATO will strengthen.

I also expect other countries around the world to look for protection from potentially dodgy neighbours or from attacks.

[RolandCuthbert]

He is threatening nuclear war if we try to defend Ukraine. And at this point, you have to believe him. It is time to return to cold war doctrines and exact maximum economic pain upon him and his.

[ChrisMaster69]

@RolandCuthbert it relies on companies such as Volkswagen, BMW, Airbus, etc closing manufacturing plants, stopping sales and parts to Russia.

Treat them like North Korea.

[Slartybartfast]

It's not NATO he fears , but democracy. A free, stable, prosperous Ukraine sets an example he doesn't want his people to follow.

[ChrisMaster69]

@Slartybartfast the Russians have always feared democracy, they have never had freedom.

This is why both Hungarian and Czechs were put down so quickly and brutally.

[RolandCuthbert]

There are so many levers to pull and I say pull them all. We can ban the folks in his administration and the oligarchs. Seize their assets overseas. The funny thing about the Russian elite is that they spend almost all their time in the West.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Slartybartfast SAY IT LOUD FOR THE FOLKS IN THE BACK.

Ukrainians being free and prosperous might give Russian citizens some ideas.

[alice55]

Nothing, we should just let him do his things. He have too powerful arms. He have an arms so powerful it can literally destroy all of Europe in a single shot...
We should honestly just do nothing and protect our own country instead of trying to play hero. I'm quite most likely sure my country is going to get bombarded in the next weeks / months

[fireforeffect]

Doing nothing is never the right thing to do.

[MJtheCoach]

UN is jerking off

[DaveJord]

Thats loser talk.

[fireforeffect]

@DaveJord Agreed

[fireforeffect]

@MJtheCoach
The United Nations can do nothing. Russia has a permanent seat o0n the Security Council and can veto anything they decide.

[DaveJord]

@fireforeffect 👍 Guys like us need to remind these pansy boot licker what it means to be a real American! 🇺🇸

[Troyana123]

The NATO must add Finland and sweden to the organitation now!, give more weapons to ukranie, maybe send mercenaries to ukranie as in syria to support the govermment troops and keep deployed some divisions in poland and baltic states

[MuddyMole]

There's not much anyone can do.

They can impose ever more severe sanctions, but that won't change Putin's mind - after all, he would have certainly anticipated that beforehand, but wasn't deterred. And when the Russian economy is weakened, it's the average Russian (wo) man on the street who will suffer, and end up resenting the West even more (especially when they're subjected to propaganda), which kind of plays into Putin's hands.

Noone's going to do anything drastic, like sending troops to defend Ukraine, or assassinating Putin, because they simply aren't prepared to risk starting WW3.

All the West can really do is support Ukraine indirectly, by providing weapons, training, intelligence, logistical support etc - turning it into yet another proxy war.

The only way to stop Putin really, would be for there to be huge protests in Russia, which for whatever reason, is not happening - maybe they're (justifiably) afraid of the punishment they'd receive; maybe they've been brainwashed by propaganda (or are just arseholes) and believe Putin is doing the right thing. Who knows?

[RolandCuthbert]

Well, we all knew this was going to happen. The issue is that he has struck at an opportune time. Could you imagine, him doing this if Trump would have won? He could do it unopposed. He would not have faced any sanctions or any repercussions. As it stands now, we can at least exact some punishment on him and his supporters. Putin is smarter than most folks give him credit. His support of Trump was a means to an end. Trump damaged NATO's credibility and the traditional alliances that would have crippled Russia long before now.

And now, we are now looking at a bleak future and the uncertainty of nuclear war. Because again. . .

UKRAINE GAVE UP ITS NUCLEAR WEAPONS TO ENSURE ITS SOVEREIGNTY.

WHAT NATION IN ITS RIGHT MIND WILL GIVE UP A PURSUIT FOR NUCLEAR WEAPONS WHEN THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO ENSURE THEIR EXISTENCE?

[grega239]

Why didn't he do it when trump was in,
If they such buddies?

[V12NI]

Oh look it's the same guy who got mad at me when I asked question about usa and now you're commenting about russia/ukraine politics? How pathetic, you're really mental

[grega239]

@V12NI when did i get mad?

[RolandCuthbert]

@grega239 Uhm. . . Russia invaded Ukraine over eight years ago.

You guys didn't get the memo?

[RolandCuthbert]

@V12NI Oh look! Its the guy who I don't know or care about posting me! Oh my what should I do about this guy that I care nothing about? He is so upset.

Someone. . . help!!!

[grega239]

I know. Obama was pres. At the time

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@grega239 it invaded now because Ukraine was about to enter NATO now.
Putin doesn't want to annex Ukraine. They want Ukraine to not enter NATO. They want to destroy their government and replace with one that will bow down to Russia.

[grega239]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 i know.

So the west broke the agreement they had with russia that ukraine will not be one a member and putin is still the bad guy here?

Where does the west get the nerve to be this arrogant?

[RolandCuthbert]

@grega239 And?

[grega239]

Putin made moves when obama was in and he's making moves when biden is in.

Why didn't he do it when trump was in office since you seem to think they're in cahoots

[RolandCuthbert]

@grega239 What in the world are you talking about? Ukraine is not a NATO member. Putin wanted assurances they would never join NATO. When he invaded Crimea and Donbass, the U. S. threw those assurances in the garbage where they belong.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@grega239 again... because Ukraine was not about to enter NATO.
The last Ukrainian president got along with Putin and did what he wanted. This one, elected in 2019, is against Putin.

[grega239]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 ok.

Then explain to me how this is western business?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@grega239 for now it isn't. The second he attacks one county in NATO it will.

[Aerissa_Jade]

I think if he had done this with Trump in, nukes would of been used by now. Trump didn't take no shit from anyone.

If they were buds, he could of done it unopposed back then, but it was Obama that let him start the invasion 8 years ago and he did nothing.

Sanctions never work, bet they won't here either. They did nothing for the Crimea invasion. I bet in five years, Ukraine will still be occupied, just like Crimea still is.

[RolandCuthbert]

@grega239 So you don't seem to remember just one post ago, agreeing that the war started 8 years ago? It started under Obama, who responded lifting the restrictions to NATO expansion that you just complained about. Then after much difficulty, enacted sanctions. Those sanctions didn't come by Obama's urging by the way. Europe largely ignored him. It was the Prime Minster of the Netherlands who actually won the day for Obama. Those sanctions crippled the Russia economy. I can attest to that since I was working in Eastern Europe at the time. And was in Moscow the day Russia invaded Crimea.

Then your boy, Trump lifted the sanctions. Because Putin wanted him too. And Trump assaulted NATO because Putin wanted him too. He also damaged the strategic alliances to the West. Because Putin wanted him too.

So why would Putin attack when Trump was doing exactly what he was asked to do?

Biden took office and immediately vowed support for Ukraine and for whatever path Ukrainians choose for themselves. Which of course, made Putin mad.

That is not what Putin wanted.

So since there is no President that will ensure no further NATO expansion, he thinks he can ensure that himself. The funny thing is, this will have the opposite effect.

Why you think we need to do that Putin wishes is beyond me. But Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons in exchange for being left alone. Why would any nation in the future make such a deal, if the world won't guarantee its sovereignty?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Aerissa_Jade do you know why they did nothing for Crimea? Most people don't know about this, but Crimeia wanted to be part of Russia. They did a vote not long before the "invasion" and most wanted to be part of Russia. Makes sense since they were at the border and many spoke russian, had russian families, heavy Russian influence etc. Putin had no resistance and was in fact welcome by them.

About nukes.
Putin made a speech last week. Saying and I quote:
"NATOs army is superior. But Russia is a nuclear power. There will be no winners"

Word for word. He will use his nukes of he has to. And he not enough to win, but has enough to leave any county that defines him in shambles.

[grega239]

I remember russia going into crimea. I dont remember a state of war being officially declared.

And if i remember correctly, sanctions against russia were lifted, because the west was squeezing the into a corner aka , they were fucking with russia just because they could.

Trump went after NATO, because he demanded the other members start pulling their weight. Without america , nato doesn't exist.

Putin is doin it now because biden is weak and incompetent as was demonstrated with the Afghanistan shit show.
Any vowes he made are empty.

[DryGermanGuy]

@Aerissa_Jade That's "could HAVE" and "would HAVE". English, please!

[Aerissa_Jade]

@DryGermanGuy Ah a grammar Nazi from Germany no less!

[DryGermanGuy]

@Aerissa_Jade
"Actually, I'm English!!!"
- Austin Powers

[RolandCuthbert]

@grega239 Well, you don't have to agree with war being officially declared. That's fine. The Ukrainians knew they were at war and they declared it. And they have declared it every day since. Donbass was gorgeous. Donestk was a beautiful city before the invasion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQryuqFBYtA

Trump went after NATO because he was told to go after NATO. He damaged alliances because those alliances kept Russia at bay. Putin's aim was to separate the US from Europe. With Trump he succeeded.

I guess he was counting on Trump winning re-election. Either way, your argument doesn't make any sense. . . that somehow he would stay out of Ukrainian politics. . . simply because his stooge was in power. He simply would not have faced any retribution, having Trump claim he was a genius and was right. . . as a sitting President of the US.

[grega239]

Oh yeah i forgot. Trump is a puppet. Sorry my bad. The 2 year long investigation that found nothing was just for show.

Did putin tell him to go after nato and why haven't i heard about it? Because I've heard he supposedly had hookers piss on the bed obama used.

Here's a question. Why would trump hand power to putin. What does ye get out of it.

he's got all the money he wants.
Power? A us president wields more power than a russian president.
Does putin have dirt on him?
If so, why didn't he use it while trump was in office and create internal political chaos?

Trump went after nato because america is is the only reason it's taken seriously.

[V12NI]

@grega239, not you :)

[El_Dugin]

Gaddafi also renounced his nuclear weapons project. See what NATO did to him, his country and people.

[RolandCuthbert]

@grega239 1. That's a lie. But the funny thing is you pretend Trump did not say what he said. He did not say he believed Putin over his own intelligence agencies? He did not bribe the Ukrainian president by withholding aid. He did not work to lift the sanctions Obama had enacted on Russia?

So I am just saying, "make it make sense". Even if Mueller decided that he cannot criminally indict a sitting President, that does not;

A. Prove trump innocent,.

B. Erase all of the support he gave to Putin. Even if you were right about criminal intent. If you want to support Putin's goals, you vote for trump. If you want to challenge Putin, you vote for almost anyone else. It is nowhere near as complicated as you pretend it to be.

[RolandCuthbert]

@El_Dugin So what is the solution? Do you think a world where Libya, Iraq, Brazil, Afghanistan, etc. all have nuclear weapons is a safer place? I am not saying the US is in the right. Surely, we have been guilty of war crimes. But we have to start somewhere. And starting with giving every nation nuclear weapons is a non-starter.

[Kiran_Yagami]

Russia is on the UN security council, so the UN is useless in the matter. Nothing can be done to stop Putin and nothing should be done. Any smaller western country who gets in the way will get squashed. The U. S. has no business fighting a war over borders that mean nothing to us. Countries like Germany have cut their defense spending so much that they couldn't stop the Russians if they wanted to. The U. K. would be standing alone and France is France. They'd fair about as well as they did in the second world war. Canada can't even get a few truckers under control, let alone the Russian army.

[ObscuredBeyond]

Nothing whatsoever. Those states seceded willingly from Ukraine, to join into a trade partnership with Russia. Main Ukraine is bankrupt, financially and morally. Putin isn't the villain in this. Biden is. He's been using all of Ukraine as a shell game for racketeering and money laundering.

[jshm2]

Nothing to be done,

The USA thought it would be clever by loading troops and weapons into surrounding nations and stealing Ukraine from under Russia. Russia gave the USA the bird and is removing the threat.

NATO can't do shit as it was complicit in not stopping US encroachment.

[zagor]

That is just stupid. The US didn't have near enough troops in Europe to attack Russia.

The Ukraine dumped a government that was a Russian puppet.

[RealMarek]

We could have avoided this by providing a guarantee that Ukraine would not be admitted to NATO. We made it clear we would not intervene militarily to stop Putin but also offered him no way to back down without losing face. It’s almost like the US wanted Russia to invade, probably to ensure that the Nordstream2 pipeline would be stopped.

[KostasKouvalis]

Why should we stop Putin?
He'll just do what he did with Georgia. Annex the Russian territories, and leave the rest.
Let the Ukrainians clean up their mess.

This is Kruschev's fault because he wasn't thinking smart when he drew out those borders

[SaoirseS]

At this point let the Europeans handle any military commitments. The US needs to sit this one out.

[SaoirseS]

Uh currently serving ARNGUS thank you very much. And you? Just how much public support do you think we’ll have after 20 years of conflict.

[DCooper]

Yup. The rest of Europe has had since the early 1990s to prepare. If they are all standing around with their pants around their ankles at this point, that's on them and no one else.

[Juxtapose]

Russia has an important naval base in the Ukraine and giving it up to NATO would put NATO dangerously close to Russia so Putin is literally just trying to put the interests of his country first and protect its future.

NATO once Ukraine to join because Ukraine makes useful computer parts.

So yeah, World War 3 could be potentially started over securing computer parts..

[Juxtapose]

*wants

Not once

[genericname85]

Someone should actually go to Ukraine and ask Ukrainian people what they think and want. Instead the world is talking about the Ukraine, not knowing shit about the Ukraine. The west going there to being them freedom is the same as Russia invading for most Ukrainians.

[Slartybartfast]

I just asked my Ukrainian neighbor. She speaks Russian and says Putin wants Ukraine as a puppet State like Belarus.

[genericname85]

@Slartybartfast and what does she say about the massive corruption and exploitation that is conducted by their government?

I mean at the end of the day it seems like either Russia or USA is gonna invade under the guise of "helping". I'm not so sure that either of those 2 things is better than the other. I mean Ukraine is already a war torn poor country where generations of asshole politicians have taken people's money and put in their own pocket. A change of government will probably not make it worse for them.

[genericname85]

I mean Germany is a puppet state of the Us. And i don't like that either xD but it is what it is man. Life goes on and it could be worse.

[genericname85]

Germany actually knows both sides. Cause we had Russian and USA occupation at the same time after www. Both had their pros and cons to be honest.

[genericname85]

WW2*

[Slartybartfast]

Germany a puppet State? Is this a joke?

[genericname85]

@Slartybartfast no. if usa says we need to send troops, we do. we're just puppets of the us and the UN, which is in essence the same

[genericname85]

also we litterally copy paste every ideological us bullshit. even down to black lifes matter despite us not having a history of black slavery in germany.

[driven159]

hope Ukrainian people kick his ass and send the tropes back home crying to mama it won't take long to have a retreat if things get bogged down and they can say bye bye to their economy what little of economy they had China should be looking at that if they think of invading Tawain

[Still-alive]

we continue sending in armaments to ukraine. we keep us and nato troops out of it. we let russia take what it takes and then let them attempt to hold the country while it turns into their very own iraq or afghanistan situation where it bankrupts and demoralizes russia from continuing.

[RolandCuthbert]

It is going to take a worldwide effort. Many Russians were already opposed to this. If we can make him and his supporters uncomfortable, perhaps as the war goes on his support will continue to erode.

[Aerissa_Jade]

Makes you wonder how much stuff we send, will end up in Taliban, err Russian hands.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Aerissa_Jade? What stuff? And uhm. . . Ukrainians are not the Taliban. We helped the Taliban because we have some insane fear over Communism. Russia was at the time the Soviet Union.

Today, our fear of Communism is conditional based upon political arguments.

[Aerissa_Jade]

@RolandCuthbert The stuff the US left behind when they pulled out of Afghanistan this last fall, that was given to the government but then the government fell and the Taliban got to keep it all.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Aerissa_Jade Mam, we were in Afghanistan for 20 years. So we left a lot of stuff.

We have not been in Ukraine one single minute.

[Bl0n6eguy]

Tell him off for his "white privilege" like Twitter is... Im sure it will stop him in his tracks... The official recognition of Slavs as a non-white minority group doesn't contradict this nonsense at all...

[DaveJord]

US/NATO should enforce a no fly zone over UKRAINE, and put forces on the ground to defend the capital and strategic positions. Ukraine has the 2nd largest military in Europe, we should come to their aid before its damaged to badly. 🇺🇦🇺🇸

[katiesmuff]

Remainder of the world should economically destroy Russia just like it happened when it was the USSR

[El_Dugin]

Good luck with that. Your country has a 30 trillion debt, it isn't too hard to make it fall upon your heads.

[DaveJord]

Dude you will reap the day that the UNITED STATES puts troops on the ground. Do buy into that hip hop culture bull shit... when we show up it won't be to talk shit.

[stark04]

Why UN security council is interfering? They didn't do anything when Afghanistan crisis occurred so why now? also United States shouldn't have to interfere in someone else's business. Putin's a grown man, he'll figure something out. 🤘

[FunkyMonkee]

A Parliamentarian over there says that if we stop buying their gas and oil, it'll cripple Russia because that's where they''re getting most of their money. Anybody got one of those stickers of Joe saying, "I did this!"?

[Citizenkirk]

What can be done. We are in pretty bad shape here in the U. S. the European Union doesn't seem committed too any real action. China are thier buddies. Basically, there isn't a lot anyone can do. Not squat anyone will do.

[invalid1]

Nothing... just keep your Yankee ass out of it. the US has missed up with the world enough, it's time to retreat home in peace.
The world will sort itself out.

[TheorionMage]

I'm a big fan boy of Russia's WWII female snipers... "POP" goes Putin's cranium!
For the GOOD of the State, NO ONE is indispensable or immortal.
As former FSB/KGB, Putin KNOWS THAT!~

[janifarmary]

A woman can't be alone for long, did you know? Now you know, you can write to me and we will stop being alone together. My loneliness dragged on some years, but now I firmly decided to find my love. I have a sharp mind that has allowed me to make a career. A great sense of humor made me the life of the party. I always have something to talk about, while I'm a good attentive listener.

[Crucis84]

That's all very enticing, but I'm left wondering what all of this has to do with the question that was asked above.

[zagor]

Putin used the same excuses Hitler used when he claimed the Germanic people in Czechoslovakia and Poland were being persecuted.

[SlightlyEccentric]

Putin: I want that thing

Biden: No you can't have that... Oh fine you can have that but no more.

Putin: I want that thing

And repeat

[zagor]

@SlightlyEccentric
Putin: I want that thing

Trump: Brilliant!

[loveslongnails]

Every Nato country in Europe should have sent a warning to Putin that he didn't withdraw, they would bomb his tanks and troops. If he wants to start to a war, let it be with ALL of Europe against him and watch him piss his panties.

[OlderAndWiser]

The UN Security Council telling Putin to "step back" is like me pissig in the ocean in hopes of raising the tide.

[Aerissa_Jade]

Not much, I'm sure they'll do sanctions and since those never work... we now have the new Soviet Union forming, a new cold war.

[Jltakk]

No one cried when China did the same to Hong Kongs treaty from 1997, and had protesters locked up and killed. The average Americans sheer lack of global political knowledge disturbs and saddens me.

[ObscuredBeyond]

They bleat like sheep whatever CNN tells them to, and are willfully ignorant of anything else. Not as bad in Florida, where I moved to. Along with everyone else fleeing their neighborhoods up north. But where I used to live, about half of everyone up there had sheep-for-brains. You couldn't tell them anything, because they were convinced you were "a terrorist" if you contradicted what the face on TV said!

[RolandCuthbert]

The situation does not compare. Ukraine was a nuclear power. A sovereign state. Hong Kong was a British colony. If China was to invade Taiwan, perhaps that would be apples to apples.

The funny thing is you talk about sheep.

I have actually been to Russia, Latvia, Poland, Georgia, etc. Have you?

Or are you just some sheep watching Tucker Carlson?

[ObscuredBeyond]

@RolandCuthbert : Irrelevant. The invasion never happened. Biden has had his bluff called.

[RolandCuthbert]

@ObscuredBeyond What the fuck are you the borg?

Irrevelant? LOLx217!!!

[ObscuredBeyond]

@RolandCuthbert : And since I wrote that, Kiev ignored the red line, and butchered Donetskis. So now, Russia's gloves are off.

[RolandCuthbert]

@ObscuredBeyond The gloves were off for years freak. And Ukrainians are giving Putin everything he can handle. You little fruitcake incels don't know shit. This war was supposed to be over in a day. So go back to whacking off to pornhub, freak.

www.yahoo.com/.../...-guards-refuse-145638777.html

Defiant Ukrainian Border Guards Refuse to Surrender to Russian Warship: ‘Go F*** Yourself’

[ObscuredBeyond]

@RolandCuthbert : A peace deal wasw worked. But Ukraine didn't honor it. Because getting petty revenge against Donetsk for seceding mattered more to the gangsters in Kiev. And you trying to make this about your assumptions about my sex life makes you look pitifully if ignorant and unintelligent.

I have old friends in Ukraine. I still say that Kiev leaders are at fault! But now, those old friends may have to pay for the administration's mistakes.

Russia has one goal: replace the corrupt Ukrainian regime with a restructured new one. One that isn't run by the Mafiya, and one that knows how to pay it's electric bills. But if they kill too many more Russians and Donetskis, Russia may just go hyper nasty. They're not afraid of NATO and it's over 9000 genders parade. Russia doesn't care about how much Biden whimpers that the full length of his corruption in Ukraine is about to be blown open and undone. They couldn't care less that Biden, the Clintons, Romney, and Lindsey Graham are going to go bankrupt without their little shell games. And frankly, watching those corrupt members of Congress squirm is kinda making me hope Russia wins. Of course, if we could hang them for all the war crimes around the world they've profiteered from, and restore the constitutional republic, that would be even better. Otherwise, enjoy your trip to the FEMA guillotine after the UN invades your neighborhood!

[RolandCuthbert]

@ObscuredBeyond What peace deal Incel? You don't know anything. What did Putin say? He said the Ukrainian government is full of nazis, which is a lie. It is lead by a democratically elected Jewish man who's grandparents survived the holocaust. Putin said the government was full of drug dealers which of course is another lie. He claimed there was genocide against Russian speaking people. Which is another lie. The funny thing is, you claimed Americans don't know shit about global politics.

This is how fucking stupid you are.

MOST UKRAINIANS SPEAK RUSSIAN, YOU BACKWARDS FRUITCAKE INCEL FREAK! That's why everything Putin has said is a lie.

Only in the West do you hear Ukrainian spoken often. And you had better learn to speak it, if you are going to stay there for a significant amount of time. You see, I have lived in France and have stayed in the UK, the Netherlands, Italy, Germany, etc. in West Europe. In Eastern Europe, I have been to Russia, Ukraine, Latvia, Poland, etc.

So stuff that bullshit about lacking knowledge of global politics up your ass.

[ObscuredBeyond]

@RolandCuthbert : It was called the red line. Don't shell Donetsk, and there will be no invasion. Within hours, Kiev ordered a doubling down on the shelling! Within hours! That was an act of war, and Russia retaliated. It's that simple! And once again, your obsession with making ignorant remarks about my sex life, as if that were in any way relevant, is beginning to border on sexual harassment.

[RolandCuthbert]

@ObscuredBeyond Dude, Ukrainian sovereignty was violated over 8 years ago and every single day since.

That is absolute fact. Everything you post about Ukrainians supposedly breaking agreements is nothing but toilet water. Putin invaded Donbass and Crimea. He shot down a Dutch airliner. He invaded Georgia and has intimidated the Baltic states for over a decade.

That's why the world has united against him and against cowardly supporters like you.

Even Switzerland is sanctioning Russia at this point. Even Monaco. Who else do I need to convince?
Cowardly trolls on the net?

What the fuck for?

[CallmeTheKnight]

Russia has been giving Ukraine trouble for years. The US needs to stay out of it.
We need to go back to using our own fuel and resources instead of get foreign resources

[V12NI]

@RolandCuthbert love how triggered you get instantly. You're so ignorant and incompetent on these topics, people like you are the reason why there are bad stereotypes about americans and you are the perfect example

[RolandCuthbert]

Troll,, you can lick my anus some other time.

Of course, I am triggered. My friends are in the subway in Kharkiv right now. fearing for their lives. You are a troll sitting in chair with his pants around his ankles masturbating to the troll bait you are leaving in this forum. Be sure to use napkins this time.

You see, we are two different people. I am real. You are fake.

[josephinelcajon]

NOTHING! Let Russia take their half and let the remaining west join the West

[EnglishEuropean]

Ukraine doesn't belong to Russia so

[888theGreat]

doesn't work that way. He wants Ukraine's natural gas

[RolandCuthbert]

Putin will never let that happen. He wants Ukraine intact. He should have been just happy with Donbass and Crimea. He was apparently was not.

[josephinelcajon]

@888theGreat Correct and the pipe line! Not to mention southern sea port!

[Dargil]

It is not THE USA's concern. Nothing more than sanctions unless a NATO member is attacked. And not every one of them.

[CaptainSmartass]

Well, I'd say we should kidnap Putin and hand him over to the CIA/MI5. Another trick would be to bankrupt Russia. I'd also like to seize its biggest companies for myself.

Simples...

[El_Dugin]

And you wpuld got nuked out of existence 5 minutes later. Simples. 😂

[TwoToTooTutu2]

Hopefully someone will take Kaliningrad and return it to Königsberg perhaps create a Prussian puppet state so the EU can have someone with military sense.

[Godsvengeance]

Nothing. If Ukraine can defend itself, it should and if they can't, that's their problem. The UN and NATO should both cease to exist as they cause no solutions, only problems

[RolandCuthbert]

So you agree that Ukraine should have kept its nuclear weapons and blasted Putin to ashes if he stepped over the border?

[Godsvengeance]

@RolandCuthbert what nuclear weapons did Ukraine have? What I agree with is there should be no wars ever. When wars do happen, they should be as small as possible. There's no reason to turn a small, regional border dispute into an international, and possibly nuclear, war

[RolandCuthbert]

The riddle of GaG is why do so many people here speak out of sheer ignorance and then have no shame about it?

Did you know that Ukraine at one time in its history was the third largest nuclear power on this earth? And it voluntarily gave up that arsenal to be left alone.

[Godsvengeance]

@RolandCuthbert actions have consequence. They tried something, it didn't work. Still their problem

[RolandCuthbert]

I am just asking for you to "make it make sense".

What did they try? They were a sovereign nation. That gave up their ability to defend themselves against Putin. And he invaded anyway. If you can't comprehend what that means for world politics then there is no reason to continue discussion. Because every backwards regime, insane dictator, or religious extremist can now justify obtaining, developing and using nuclear weapons to ensure their survival.

[Godsvengeance]

@RolandCuthbert never give up your defenses and then be surprised when somebody attacks. It's common sense

[RolandCuthbert]

No it is not.

And look, I get it. When your life is pitiful and pathetic, you want everyone's existence to be pitiful and pathetic. What "we" were trying to negotiate was to stop nuclear proliferation. Because everyone knows without it, we are going to have nuclear war. And sure, I get that you are miserable so dying in nuclear war isn't a big deal. But for the rest of us who are happy, have love, travel, etc. we like living. So that's why we are going to enact the most severe sanctions we can. That's why Ukrainians are going to continue to punish Russians for every square inch they try to take in Ukrainian land. And that's why Russian people will continue to protest in the streets. And this will continue until Putin makes a different calculation or he is run out of power.

So if you want a different path, just vote for your boy next cycle.

Good luck.

[Godsvengeance]

@RolandCuthbert You have literally no idea what you are talking about and you just have claimed the moral high ground with no basis for it. You have also made insane assumptions about me without merit and then have attacked the strawman of your own creation instead of anything I have actually said. The thing that has stopped nuclear war was more countries having nuclear weapons. When one country had nuclear weapons, they were used. Once more than one country had them, they weren't. You are still regurgitating the same BS that we were told for fifty plus years and through all sorts of shit, your view has never come true. Why? Because people like living. People aren't going to move forward with mutually assured destruction. We have seen no major wars between countries that have nuclear weapons and tons of wars between countries that either have no nuclear weapons, or only nukes on one side. Your theory has been proven wrong time and time again.

[RolandCuthbert]

@godsvengeance And that is absolute lie. You would feel good with North Korea having nukes and the capability to launch at any target on this planet? How about Iraq? Libya? Iran? Brazil? We have treaties against nuclear proliferation for a reason. If most of the planet agreed with you, we would have nuclear weapons everywhere.

Clearly we do not. Clearly nations like Japan and Germany have rejected them. And your mutually assured destruction means nothing to a madman/dictator. Putin has threatened nuclear war over Ukraine, a sovereign nation simply because they are the only ones with the guts to stand up to him.

So keep posting for your troll next on the internet. Keep hoping for everyone's lives to be as unpredictable and miserable as your own.

The rest of us will continue to support the sanctions crippling Putin's economy. Ukrainians will continue to punish him for every inch of Ukrainian land. And you can cry your little tears in to a cup for us to drink.

[Godsvengeance]

@RolandCuthbert The amount of projection in your responses is alarming. I am in no way miserable and yet you have decided I am just because I have an opinion that differs from yours. That is an unhealthy habit and you should try to learn how logic works and stick to the arguments. As soon as you sink to personal attacks, you are advertising to those around you that you already think that you have lost the argument.

[RolandCuthbert]

@godsvengeance There is no projection son. I am just looking at another clownish cowardly troll on the net. And I am just posting what I see and read.

So I advise you to go out and get an actual life. Maybe if you get some folks who you can care about and who would care about you in return you might see things the way most human beings do.

As for your use the term projection, you seem to have an issue understanding English.

In order for me to "project", my life would have to be as pitiful and pathetic as yours. Which is certainly is not. It just full of worry and concern for folks who are in harm's way. But they love me and I love them.

That's a far cry from being a standard troll at GaG.

[Pterodon]

Get rid of Biden. It never would’ve happened if Trump was in office nor would my gas prices be sky high nor would illegal invaders be streaming across my southern border unchecked

[zagor]

LOL Trump has publicly praised Putin for his actions.

[Ryfyle]

@zagor Got proof of that?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@zagor yes. Trump was under Putin's thumb. He would have never said or done anything to stop him.

[Pterodon]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 we had peace under Trump

[Ryfyle]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 This moron again. Do you have any evidence of your claims.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Ryfyle https://youtu.be/0utzB6oDan0

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Pterodon you had peace during Trump because the last Ukrainian president and Putin got along.
This current one is only in office since 2019 and recently said he wanted to be part of NATO. Well Putin really doesn't want that.
It doesn't matter what president the US has, the problem is the president Ukraine has.

[Pterodon]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 nope it’s biden. He shut down the Keystone XL pipeline that would’ve supplied us with the same amount of DOMESTIC oil we now import from Russia so Putin can fund his invasion

[El_Dugin]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 A humorist at CNN isn't a valid source. Try again.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@El_Dugin he showed clips of Trump endorsing Putin. It's not his words. Trump himself did it in conference multiple times.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Pterodon Do you really think that's the biggest and only source of income Putin has? If Ukrainian had no intention to join NATO this would never happen.

[Pterodon]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 it’s still a source isn’t it

[Ryfyle]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Posting Slimey Limey CURRENT Year man? Jesus soy boy get a grip.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

If literal clips of him enforcing Putin, somehow weren't enough for you, here:
www.google.com/.../...utin-russia-ukraine.amp.html

[Pterodon]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 what was said publicly and privately are are two different things but I guess that concept is too advanced for you to understand. We do know he attacked Syria for using chemical weapons knowing Russians were there

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Pterodon and you believe that what is being said privatly is different than what he is saying publicly? Please, Trump says what he thinks. For the good and for the bad he does.
Also, do you really think Puttin cares with a few soldiers? Look at what he is doing now. He is cold blooded.

[Pterodon]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Trump isn’t afraid of Putin unlike biden. Biden is a pussy

[Pterodon]

Yes I believe what was said privately is different. Trump is a ruthless wheeler dealer

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Don't know it he is afraid of him or not, but he clearly would not go against him.
All, anyone with a brain should be afraid if Putin. We are talking about a mad man who has access to serious nuclear power.

[Pterodon]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 I’m not afraid of him. We have nukes too. I’ll play chicken with him all day

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

I know you have nuke stoo. But for everyone you sent you will get one too. Do you want millions to die and your country half destroyed?

[Ryfyle]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 That sounds wonderful.

[Pterodon]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 bring it

[Pterodon]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 I am a native Texan that was born in San Antonio. The spirit of the Alamo lives in me. Bring it mother fucker

[Ryfyle]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 My god. Do they pump Soylent Directly to your house? You are the most domesticated human "male" on the site. Get a clue and start doing your own thinking for once.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Pterodon bring it? Do you have any idea what you are asking for?
@Ryfyle same to you.

You two don't seem to have a grasp on reality. Just 8/11 was the catastrophe that it was. Are you underrating that day? And a Russian Tsar Bomba would be much much worse than 9/11.

@Ryfyle I do think for myself. That's what makes me have actual notion of what you clearly don't.

[Pterodon]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 yes I do know. So did the Alamo defenders. I will not back down. I’m not a coward pussy like you

[Ryfyle]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Parroting MSM narrative is not "Thinking For Yourself".

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Pterodon there is a very big difference between a coward and an idiot.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

*between being a coward and not being an idiot.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Ryfyle I don't even know what MSM means.
Also let's take the vaccines as an example. Most people are taking them. A few are not. Does that mean that the ones who don't take them are the ones thinking by themselves? Or does that mean they are listening to other who give them bad information?

[Pterodon]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 you don’t back down from or pay off bullies like pussy Obama

[Ryfyle]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8
" I don't even know what MSM means. "
Quit the bullshit, you fucking know what it means.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Pterodon this is not the playground. It doesn't affects just you.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Ryfyle I know what M&M means

[Pterodon]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 you don’t back down from bullies you little pussy

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Pterodon again, you have zero notion of what consequences your childish behavior would bring.
If you step up to bullies the worst thing that happens is they kill you.
There the worst thing that happens is everyone dies.
You don't seem to grasp that.

[Pterodon]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 you don’t seem to grasp that once you back down from a bully you just get more that bully you

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

In there lies the problem. We can't let Russia do as Putin pleases, but we can't sent and army and cause a world war either. That's why NATO is imposing heavy sanctions instead. To avoid a WW3.

[Ryfyle]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 You are a moron of the highest caliber.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Ryfyle funny I was thinking the same thing about you.

[Ryfyle]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Did you're mom give you that comeback, Fuckles McLamefuck?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Ryfyle Are you still here?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Ryfyle I tought this conversation was over.

[Ryfyle]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 No, you're a boring robot.

[Avicenna]

The best thing to do to get him to stop is to cause as many Russian casualties as possible.

[SlothySlob]

Brah, your "breaking news" is old news already, where have you been the past 10 hours?

[EnglishEuropean]

If you want to die for Ukraine, please raise your hand.

[_no_one_]

[VikingWarLord]

Watch this for answers to that

https://www.youtube.com/embed/hwKrL_fifYY

[MountAverage]

Not much you can do but sanctions. Problem is that many nations are heavily dependent on Russian gas.

[GlassTop]

Impeach Biden and get Trump back in the chair. Will end the war in a month.

[SynthKobra]

Id be watching China and seeing if they try to take Taiwan during this, tbh.

[Crucis84]

Stop it? We should all wave them on, using Russian flags, and point the way to Berlin and Paris. :)

[Wise4myage]

Stay out of it and for Gods sake, keep the nuclear codes hidden from Biden.

[Fromdusktilldawn]

The west should be careful, this madman is really dangerous. We dont want nukes flying

[RolandCuthbert]

Does everyone here know that Ukraine was the third largest nuclear power in the world, before they gave up their nukes for a peaceful existence?

[Fromdusktilldawn]

@RolandCuthbert yea thats known but as soon as they attack a nato state its a full european war

[RolandCuthbert]

Most folks here don't seem to realize just how much Ukraine gave up for its sovereignty.

[Cubus]

Now we will see if sleepy Joe is vital enough to run a country when it needs a leader.

[888theGreat]

sob let it happen

[invalid1]

is he leading the US or Ukraine? 🤔

[RolandCuthbert]

@invalid1 Trumpers don't think clearly. The only thing trump would have done is given Putin a blowjob via the media at this point.

[Slartybartfast]

Trump already had words of praise for his BFF Putin.
Remember he gets all his financing through Russian Banks, he litteraly offered Putin the penthouse suite in his Moscow hotel.

[888theGreat]

@Slartybartfast don't cry that Trump kept Putin from attacking and Biden can't function

[RolandCuthbert]

@888thegreat Trumper, the war in Donbass was started eight years ago. Russians and Ukrainians have been dying there ever since. Just because Tucker Carlson is an idiot doesn't mean the rest of us aren't able to get our news directly from Russia and Ukraine.

So no, Trump did not stop or prevent an invasion of Ukraine.

[888theGreat]

@RolandCuthbert Keep living in the land of make believe and hating Trump

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@888theGreat he is right. Trump would have done absolutely nothing about this. Not even given Putin sanctions.
But let's be real Joe isn't giving them any real sanctions. The only county actually applying heavy sanctions to Russia is Germany.

[Slartybartfast]

DONALD TRUMP: I said, this is genius. Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine - of Ukraine - Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that's wonderful. So Putin is now saying it's independent - a large section of Ukraine. I said, how smart is that?

[RolandCuthbert]

@888theGreat Keep living in the land of licking Trump's anus.

Look, I get it. It isn't like you have a life to look forward too.

But many of us do.

[RolandCuthbert]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 That's really a weird assessment given that the only reason why Germany is ditching the Nord Stream 2 is because of Biden's urging.

The fact is that the U. S. can't really do much because we don't have much interaction with Russia's economy. But Europe can have a significant impact. That's where we need cooperation and a coherent strategy.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@RolandCuthbert did not know about the first part of that.

[Slartybartfast]

Eric Trump "Well, we don't rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.' "

[RolandCuthbert]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 We could do Swift. But Germany and Italy are opposed. I can't blame them,. because we are not prepared at this point. But we need to get there really quickly. Lock them out of every doggoned thing there is.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@RolandCuthbert I don't think anyone will help Ukraine at this point. They will march and try to take Kiev soon and the president is refusing to leave the capital.

[RolandCuthbert]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Militarily no. But you have to understand, this war has just started. Putin will kill or imprison the President of Ukraine. And then he will install a puppet government.

Ukrainians will reject it. There will be an ongoing insurgency for years.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@RolandCuthbert I know. This will escalate sooner or later.

[888theGreat]

well 24 hours late, nothing , Putin won the game and with it the spoils.

[El_Dugin]

Send you to fight alongside with the Nazis of the Azov Battalion and Right Sector and have the same fate as them.

[Paul09]

Putin should be fed to sharks. Sick of a-holes ruling.

[El_Dugin]

Why don't you try to get him then?

[Hellraiser1984]

Borrow Godzilla from the Japanese and send him into Russia. Or Gamera if Godzilla is busy.

[888theGreat]

funny guy

[grega239]

No one stopped america from invading the middle east.

Western hypocrisy is amazing

[zagor]

Did America claim the Middle East was part of it's territory and try to annex it?

Idiot.

[grega239]

@zagor no it claimed sadam had chemicals wmds, regime change, yada yada. Whats worse is that america failed miserably

Both sides are lying about their reasons.
My point stands

[El_Dugin]

@zagor Look, incel, 6 million people lost their lives due to the US "War on Terror," so shut the fuck up and go learning to behave like a human being before you lecture others.

[zagor]

@El_Dugin OK small dick (see other people can call names too), go back to your cave and continue to worship your pompous dictators without bothering the rest of us who actually have a triple-digit IQ.

[OddBeMe]

What they’re doing now is smartest. Sanctions on Putin. His oligarch cronies and their money.

[Balbal]

Why do he need Ukraine? What for? They are already one of the superior being.

[MaraJadeLover99]

The West has to show great strength. Sanctions will not be enough this time around I think.

[El_Dugin]

Only if the West are tired of existing. Russia is tired of being lectured by Western hypocrites, don't think you'll be lucky if you try to show a strength you don't even have. 😉

[El_Dugin]

West and the US (correcting)

[JohnK123]

Heavy heavy heavy sanctions and nato troops deployed if Russia accidentally attacks nato countries

[888theGreat]

no use making it a World War and millions dying

[JohnK123]

@888theGreat it will happen if Russia attacks Poland for example
Poland is an ally of America therefore it’s a declaration of war on america

[888theGreat]

Putin is smart not stupid like Biden

[RolandCuthbert]

@888theGreat This is how idiotic you are. Ukraine actually had more nukes than China at one point. They gave up the nukes in exchange for peace with your "smart" guy, Putin.

www.indiatoday.in/.../ukraine-regret-russia-attack-gave-up-nuclear-weapons-now-bombed-killed-1917255-2022-02-24

Three decades ago, Ukraine gave up its nuclear arsenal in exchange for security guarantees. Now, with Russia invading the country, it appears to be regretting its decision.

[888theGreat]

@RolandCuthbert Putin was smart to take them , now he can kick their ass for their stupidity

[RolandCuthbert]

@888theGreat So seeking peace is stupid. I get it. Your life is a complete mess. So if you die with everyone else, that suits you.

Most of us are not pitiful or pathetic. We like life and have love, happiness, etc.

[JohnK123]

@888thegreat fuck you
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RqfkL2iQkq0
Your “smart” President got corrected by a Fox News person lmfao
Also ukraine will not fall and we will prevail and we will destroy putin

[888theGreat]

We can see Biden won't do anything. He should be in a nursing home not the white house

[888theGreat]

@RolandCuthbert That is why you liberals are stupid and never are going to understand. You don't get peach by giving up weapons and your military , you get your ass kicked and your mother raped. You assholes are so stupid. Liberals will do away with American military and China will come here take America over.

[888theGreat]

John the dumb ass , first mistake believing dumb ass comedians on night shows.

[JohnK123]

@888theGreat so are you saying that the Fox News live broadcast was fake?

[888theGreat]

that ass hole is not on Fox

[JohnK123]

@888theGreat who? Trump or Ingram?

[RolandCuthbert]

@888theGreat Just because I am not batshit crazy, doesn't mean I am a liberal.

I may simply not be batshit crazy. :)

The funny thing is, I am all for arming the military in response to the Russian threat. Of course we need to beef up in Poland, Germany, Italy, France, etc.

But beefing up for Russia is being a liberal.

While beefing up for a non-existent China threat is somehow conservative in that insane fucked up ass piece of sausage you call a brain.

LOLx10!!!

[JohnK123]

@RolandCuthbert no no no LOLx1000000

[Stevegibbons]

Have Biden resign and get a more capable president. Putin is evil and taking full advantage of Biden’s weakness

[fireforeffect]

You are not going to stop Putin with harsh Language or Sanctions on his bank account. The only thing Putin respect is force.

[ObscuredBeyond]

And instead, NATO is flaunting how gay and how non-white it is. As if Putin cared.

[Andro36]

Question is how to stop Biden

[JoyGirl]

Girl, what? lol

[JoyGirl]

Oop…nevermind everyone seems to want to stop Biden. I had no idea he was trying to do something. 😂😂😂

[ObscuredBeyond]

@JoyGirl : He wants to provoke a war, to distract from his economic failures and the jab narrative crumbling. Plus, that would also give him an excuse to enact an emergency war act, which he'd love to immediately abuse, the way Trudeau abused such power in Canada and then got himself in hot water for it.

Russia, however, isn't taking the bait. And it's not even so much Biden doing it, as he can barely put two brain cells together. It's Obama, working behind him, pulling the usual OFA crap.

[JoyGirl]

@ObscuredBeyond Well, dang… ;-;

[ObscuredBeyond]

@JoyGirl : And in only 24 hours, it got worse. Ukraine doubled down on shelling Donetsk. So Russia has retaliated. And while all eyes were on Russia, 26,000 Afghan terrorists were smuggled into the US by Team Biden (*cough*, Obama *cough*)! Think: 26,000 Taliban, smuggled by our own government, onto US soil, some of them possibly in your back yard!

They hate you and me; and they're now using Ukraine as a distraction to kill us. But rather than kill you outright, they're gonna bribe these degenerates from another country into doing it for them! That way, they're gonna pretend to have clean hands!

[JoyGirl]

@ObscuredBeyond W-whaaaaa O. o

[ObscuredBeyond]

@JoyGirl : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGZ2dTtWKrI

[DaveJord]

@ObscuredBeyond your a whack job. :/

[DaveJord]

@ObscuredBeyond your a Russian troll... go fuck yourself

[DaveJord]

🇺🇸

[ObscuredBeyond]

@DaveJord : The next woman to be raped / killed by Taliban in Georgia, I'll hold you responsible for.

[DaveJord]

@ObscuredBeyond Sure that makes complete sense? :/

Next women that get pregnant in Antarctica or fair princess from Ice Land I will hold you responsible.

[ObscuredBeyond]

@DaveJord : One of the oldest political tricks in the book: when an official is failing, and worried that the country will turn on him, he starts a war. Every time the economy sours, a war conveniently erupts - with perfect timing - somewhere far away. This is even discussed in Orwell's books!

[SadBoiCari96]

Do nothing. Its not our problem.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Send troops in to protect everyone