Do you feel as if men are being feminized?

[swellcity80]

Simple question, just found it interesting. I see a lot of people complaining about men becoming more feminine, with wearing skinny jeans and what not, or not being able to do things that men traditionally were good or skilled at.
My personal opinion is that men are becoming more feminized, and not because of clothing or whatever that's silliness in my opinion, because I own skinny jeans and even men's thongs, and I see myself as a manly man, with combat tours overseas, I used to work on oil drilling rigs, girlfriend the whole 9 yards.
I feel as if men are becoming more feminized due to a whole set of reasons which I won't get into out right.
Just wondering some other opinions on the matter

[FýrdracaDócincel]

I feel as if we're not getting as much elbow room as we used to have. This is mainly due to society's "damned if you do, damned if you don't" expectations when it comes to men.

The primary examples of this being aggressive seduction and something I like to call being a "relationship Machiavellian."

Aggressive seduction is simple. You initiate sex and other intimacy with a very straight-to-the-point persistence, while also having enough empathy to understand the difference between..

"*moans* n-no.. *moans* what a-are you.. *small gasp* d-doing?"
and
"Stop, i don't want to!"

What society does here is skull-fuck it into us that this approach is perverted, meat head-esque, and disrespectful to the woman; completely ignoring the fact that the most popular erotica and fanfiction almost always has the lead guy doing something like this. Girls don't want a guy who'll wait for an obvious beeping green light to do anything. Yet, this "yes means yes" shit and the disturbingly common theme of girls kicking guys in the balls for stepping REMOTELY out of line and you've succeeded in getting yourself into quite the pickle.

Being a Relationship Machiavellian is a bit more complex. It's doing what is, in the end, best for the relationship regardless of the short term impact on the girl and her feelings.

Society pounds it into us that we should always make sure our girl is happy at all times, to walk on a knife's edge for her and to Exorcist crawl down the stairs if it means that she doesn't have but a single moment of displeasure. The reason why this is bad is relatively simple to understand. Women are meant to be relationship-oriented, meaning they put the happiness of others above the bigger picture. Men are meant to be outcome-oriented, meaning they are willing to crush a few souls if it means getting the result that's ultimately for everyone's own good. If you have two people in a relationship, and they're both relationship-oriented, that relationship is bound to end up pretty weak one way or another because nobody is stepping out of their safe-zone to get shit done. But so many guys right now are brainwashed by society not to be outcome-oriented because it's "abusive." AND ONCE AGAIN, society completely waves aside the fact that MOST girls CRAVE a guy who would be morally grey to save a relationship!!

Ugh..

[Anonymous]

I think that Hollywood does a lot of the feminizing of men. Men see that and think it's cool to be like that. It's mind control. My ex wive's kid was looking kinda metro-sexual, and then more and more of those features. Now he's finished nursing school and I would suspect he's quite homosexual now.

One other thing though... I've noticed that very few women these days can cook. Or maybe they can cook a little, but it takes them 2 hours to prepare a meal. I saw one lady take 45 minutes to prepare a salad once. No cooking skills or speed at all.

[swellcity80]

I can agree on that. My girlfriend can't cook either. Either I cook or we go out to eat. But the media is definitely to blame on brainwashing everyone, as well as women empowerment.

[Dog19]

Is this guy feminine?

He has long hair, he likes to cook, play with children, be a therapist for children and care for children. He used to be paid to baby sit kids.

Do you think he's femmine or wrong?

[swellcity80]

Nope

[swellcity80]

But a man is more than just his job, or liking children ETC.
How does the guy carry himself? What are his hobbies/ skills? Look at a guy like Gordon Ramsey, he likes to cook and care for his kids, and he doesn't seem very feminine. I'm not saying everyone has to be like him, he's just an example.

[Dog19]

Hobbies

Drawing pictures.

He likes caring for people

[swellcity80]

What is feminine about drawing? What does he draw, flowers and unicorns?
I used to draw also, mainly military related things and cars. Portraits of famous war pictures etc.

[Dog19]

He loves drawing little girls, puppies, rainbows, loves pink and giggles at how cute his puppy dog pictures are

[swellcity80]

Feminine. Not that there is anything wrong with it. But feminine.

[karahiri]

A bit... Well, perhaps in certain areas of the world. I'm not a fan of it... definitely more attracted to the more traditionally masculine guy.

[WaterRat]

Nope. Women gravitate towards masculine men. And people make fun of feminine men.

[swellcity80]

I wouldn't throw them all in that boat

[YaBaba]

When I read things like, men are wearing makeup, panties, or etc then yeah

[swellcity80]

That is definitely feminized to the extreme.

[DonRomeo]

Yes, I agree that men are being feminized. Even the word 'guy' seems to have been stolen, to use without hinting at masculinity. The word 'metrosexual' sort of sums it up. They even have a common look. And that stupid camp slimy accent. I wonder when 'guys' started speaking that way?

As the mass media and criminal law stigmatizes masculinity, it would seem that males are in denial, and subconsciously responding by being feminine. In nature, there are (to be simplistic) two mating strategies - dominate other men, or pretend to be gay so that you're allowed to be alone with the females. Maybe this metrosexual thing is a variation on the 'I'm harmless' thing. The modern anti-hero also has something to do with it.

Finally, testosterone levels in N America have been falling a Lot over the last 20-25 years. Some of this is due to an agenda, which has found endocrine-disruptors to affect testosterone levels. That particular example however, championed by such forces as General Electric, is something I see as the best solution currently available, if their agenda must proceed. It is at least peaceful - for those, at least, who have been born successfully. But the betrayal of male values and rights, of masculinity itself, has taken us to a very dark place. The mass media knows what it is doing. Feminized guys are not a threat to the system. So it is another matrix of alliance between the Feminazis and the governments. Who knows - in 100 years, maybe there will be no real men left.

[NerdInDenial]

Is there a war on men? I believe so. With the increase promotion of political correctness, being the traditional man is a threat. Being a present day man means you have to be a slave to a woman and yet, acknowledge you have "special privileges" as a man, even though the justice system punishes men when it comes cases with men and women. The modern man has to deal with potential rape allegations. The modern man must be less masculine because masculinity is equivalent to aggression and aggression is bad. Boys in schools are getting reprimanded for being too energetic. As paraphrased by Anita Sarkeesian, founder of Feminism Frequency, "... every man is sexist."

[DooMguy]

"I own skinny jeans and even men's thongs"

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Mein Gott OP, oh mein gott

"I see myself as a manly man"

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It really depends on your definition of 'feminized'. Traditional skills aren't really relevant since men will/need to learn new skills for jobs etc.

in my opinion CAD/CAM skills > DIY skills

At the end of the day it comes down to how men act and I haven't seen a behavioral change in my area so it's a no form me

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[DooMguy]

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[ADFSDF1996]

Kind of, not all of us men are being "feminized" though. I think this "feminization" of men is only a trend that will hopefully eventually phase out.

[swellcity80]

Definitely not everyone, but I do hope you're right. It seems everyone wants to dismantle gender roles completely. They've worked for thousands of years, why ditch them now.

[steveguitar]

Nope. I think people are learning to act the way that hey want to. Old standards are dying out and the world is becoming a better place. I hate when people say "real man" or any other bullshit like that.

There are no standards to be met by anyone, and society needs to change and be able to accept that.

[Words_and_Wisdom]

Sometimes I can see that. I mean with feminist propaganda with 'toxic masculinity' and the false narrative of a supposed 'rape culture' it's getting more difficult to accept masculinity.

[swellcity80]

Masculinity I think is portrayed negatively not only in media but in propaganda. I think its viewed as violent or pro-violence, and a womanizer type way.

[Zendrya]

I think men are just more comfortable expressing themselves in a way that makes them happy

[Jrossetti]

Well gender roles are being broken down and that's not good

[swellcity80]

I agree 1000% that was my argument.

[ASEXY]

No, they are not being feminized. They are feminizing themselves or they were not masculine enough to begin with. Just because something becomes a "trend" doesn't mean I will conform to it...

[swellcity80]

So just because you're not feminized, no one else is?

[ASEXY]

Nope because feminist views were probably forced on them by their mothers. The stuff you listed seems like a choice and laziness of not wanting to learn certain skills.

[swellcity80]

The feminized brainwashing is boys or men not wanting to, not because they're lazy. Shop classes are being driven out of schools, but they will keep things like chorus or dance. Masculinity is largely seen as inappropriate.

[ASEXY]

Brainwashing is no good. But feminine guys will be feminine no matter what. It sucks that they removed shop classes are replaced with cooking/sewing classes and it sucks that people think that way... I avoided the things that I don't like such as dance, chorus and all that other crap. I still managed to do some construction and hunting. And play sports instead of video games.

[FýrdracaDócincel]

Societal pressure has a lot more of an impact on people than you seem to think.

[ASEXY]

@FýrdracaDócincel Femininity and masculinity are concepts people create inside their heads. And I don't care about people being brainwashed and other men getting feminized. It's not effecting me at all and it can't lol.

[FýrdracaDócincel]

Exactly. You wouldn't know.

[swellcity80]

Sounds pretty self centered, men being feminized will effect you in some way. It also depends a lot on where you grew up.

[OlderAndWiser]

Men cannot be feminiized without their consent so, if it is happening, they are not victims but willing participants in the process.

[alice55]

A lot of men are being feminized (especially in my country) and it's a turn off.

[Kirah]

To a certain extent, traditional gender roles are finally starting to become less relevant. So in that sense, men who want to be more feminine will act that way.

[skeptic002]

there trying but it won't work with me
now to all those stupid men that do not know whats going on yes i worry

[ThisDudeHere]

To an extent but this is not a conscious effort by society. More like a result of certain wrong decisions.

[Anonymous]

What would we expect when feminism has vilified masculinity and the entire male gender for the last 5 decades?

[Anonymous]

Compare Orlando Bloom's Legolas to Any John Wayne character. Should be obvious.

[Anonymous]

I think society is beating men down.

[swellcity80]

I agree, I think men in society have been sort of kicked to the wayside.

[Opinion Owner]

Of course they have. This whole female empowerment movement is doing nothing but hurting the opposite gender. There is plenty of equality for women at least here in the states and that's all I can speak of because that's where I live. The only way we are not getting the equality is if we are not giving it.

[swellcity80]

I agree completely, I wish more people would as well.

[spoonman2014]

There has been stories of schools uplifting girls for doing things boys do and punishing the boys for those behaviors

[IHateBeingaMan]

it's like women are naturally born feminine while a guy has to develop his masculinity

[DapperMelody]

it's not real life. it's just models trying to sell stuff.