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The fall of marriage and relationships: It's relation to Feminism (Page 2)
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this why you MGTOW children confuse me, if you don't want a relationship don't date! If you don't want to get married don'e marry! BUT DON'T EXPECT SEX FOR NOTHING. So either you void women entirely like you say you want to that means even the things you like like sex, or stop whining!
Here is my mathematical solution using basic algebra combined with English language. Degree= Good Job= Good Money= Call Girls=... WINNING!
good for you
use protection
tinder, easy sex
Yes i love the part where i said that i am a MGTOW in my take.
Calm your emotions and make your self a better more attractive personality for the brave new world, cause as i said men are not going to get married as much as they did. Your options are limited.
Good luck!
I already have the relationship I want but thank's for your concern, I don't need advice from an immature man-child.
Daz Femi-Furher has zpoken!
Dead sea levels of saltiness.
Don't be mad babygirl.
wow hoe creative as if I haven't heard that a million times, grow up little boy
deep down I'm sure you know you are an idiot I don't even have to say anything :)
I see that you are projecting emotions on to me yet not being able to prove me wrong.
There are more women than man in america.
Men know that the divorce courts are prejudice against women, and have no incentive for marriage this day and age.
This is logistics not emotions. You may call me names or attempt to put me down, but you will have no way of escaping the fact that you will have a great challenge in finding the man you WANT.
you will grow up one day honey, also I'm bisexual so I'll always get what I want
You mean hyper-sexual?
that makes you even more unattractive when looking for a serious partner.
But do your thing, we really don't care.
There will always be women willing to have sex, with or without marriage. And, if enough males decide not to get married, women will fuck them to try to get them interested. Sex will come. That's a biologically driven force. Marriage, on the other hand, is a societal creation and does not have the same staying power.
How about this? DON'T EXPECT MARRIAGE FOR NOTHING.
And yes. I will void women entirely.
Don't forget hookers.
if you hate women avoid your mothers and sister and aunts and any female family members too if you hate us might as well isolate yourself from all of us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xK8FB3tOPg check this out boys!
Alright, chica. Tit for Tat. I saw yours, so you have to see mine:
Really. I recommend you watch the whole thing, but just the first 10 minutes would do.
Damn. Forgot the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqEeCCuFFO8
LOL..
So she's saying women didn't deserve the vote because we didn't have to go to war? Many women wanted to serve their countries but men kept women corseted (if a women didn't wear a corset at that time she was a whore) and in the home. Men wouldn't have welcomed women onto the battlefield as a help they would have been outraged to let women fight. Men would have fought against women having to be drafted! Women had to fight for our right to join the army just as they did suffrage. I think that's a ludicrous connection to make. she knows full well that men didn't want help from women on the battlefield as much as women would have been willing to men just wouldn't have let that happen back during suffrage. I do agree that if half the population is forced into the draft everyone should be. She's ignoring historical fact, logic, and just trying to suck up to men, she seems to view all other women as "the enemy" and views her self as a man, but she's not trans or anything. what a character!
She's saying that women wanted all of the advantages that males had without the sacrifices that males went through for them. In other words, just as females had their gender roles, men had theirs. To be the providers and protectors. It's not like men had everything for free. They had to pay for it in sweat and blood.
Were women demanding to go to war? Isn't it irrelevant if men *wouldn't have let them or didn't want them on the battlefield*? It's about what happened, what was asked for. Not what men wouldn't have allowed. That's the whole point. Were women begging the right to work on oil rigs? Or mines? To go to war? Or were they begging for other rights?
Then, are you standing by the idea that women have been oppressed for millennia?
What were men to you back then? Were they selfish, violent animals who viewed women as sex objects and possessions?
"In the absence of their fighting husbands and the belligerent states saw a rise in employed women, including from upper and middle classes. Women also entered military service as nurses or army auxiliaries. Working women’s employment was said to have expanded enormously in industrial labour" Since women could not go to war they were allowed to work for the first time and where do you think many women ended up working? Anywhere they could, oil rigs and mines included. Women could finally be employed and own there own money instead of having to beg their husbands for money and basically being property sold from father to husband. Many of them were more than willing to do dangerous work in factories or other manual labour because they wanted so badly to have some autonomy and some money of their own. And no I don't think all men were monsters there were early feminist men as well, don't you think there would have been men who agreed with women and wanted them to have the vote? of course
One of my favourites was Henrik Ibsen who made a controversial play called "A Doll's House" detailing the flaws in not allowing women to work and infantilizing them and making them reliant on and subservient to men. It's not that "women are lazy" it's that it was not socially acceptable for women to work and male employers would rarely hire women, they were forced to be corseted making them weak and basically disabled with squished organs and lungs that can't expand, so even if they wanted to they could not do strenuous work. Henik Ibsen wasn't even allowed to put on the play for a long time because it was so controversial and many acting agents wouldn't let actresses portray the main character as it would ruin her reputation in real life.. A woman who wanted to work was a shame to her family. And I'm not solely blaming men many older women wanted to uphold traditions because it was what they were used to as well.
everydayfeminism.com/.../ Here's a really cool article written by a man. I think MRA's are actually the ones against men they uphold that men should maintain the burden of "perfect masculinity" at all ties or else he deserves to be rejected and ridiculed by his peers. They uphold the expectation that men are not allowed to have normal HUMAN emotions. They uphold the assertion that male victims of female rapists should have "enjoyed it" and are incapable of being victimized when they are and the after effects of rape are very very real. I had a best friend in high school who was raped by an adult woman, I had to watch boys in their little "meninist" hoodies ridicule him and tell him "if you didn't enjoy it you are GAY" or "I wish that happened to me you got laid! you should be happy about it!" one even started to physically hit him and call him a "fucking pussy" keep in mind this is a boy who has already been victimized.
The "men's rights activists" the people who are supposed to be supporting him are the ones making his life a living hell after all he's already been through. My friend was suicidal at this point, and was ridiculed even more by the same boys because he started to hang around only with girls because we didn't blame HIM for his own victimization... not to mention we were prepared to hit any of those boys who were bullying him back. I still can't believe why they were able to be so cruel. But with MRAs if you don't fit the masculinity mould you are going to pay for it.
And you call feminists entitled and lazy yet have I EVER in my life seen Men’s Rights ACTIVISTS doing any real activism? Nope! They talk a big game on the internet but do they ever actually gotten their hands dirty to help anyone? I went campaigning door to door raising money for a youth shelter and a men’s shelter to be built along with my local feminist organization working with another called The Alex. Yeah that’s right feminists hate men so very much that we want to make sure they have a safe place to go if they ever experience domestic abuse. And I was out there laying bricks and getting donations on foot to provide that safe haven for the men in my community. When’s the last time you have done some real activism offline, with your hands? And is your only concern the western world? Do you not care about little girls getting married by force to old men, getting acid thrown on them if they don’t do exactly as they are told?
Little girls getting their glans clitoris chopped off (which is equivalent to removing the entire male glans or head of the penis not just the foreskin, they cut of the ENTIRE glans) and then they often have their vaginal opening sewn shut as well only to be sliced back open years later so a grown man can rape her. Not that feminists are okay with male circumcision either. www.hystericalfeminisms.com/.../
“all children, whether female, male or intersex should be protected from having parts of their genitals cut or removed unless there is a pressing medical indication … regardless of the cultural or religious affiliations of the parents.” is your view only as wide as the western world, what are MRA's going to do to help victims or sex trafficking, child brides, to help avoid honour killings? Show me some meaningful real world activism MRAS have done to help ANYONE?
I can't wait to see if anyone will reply to you! you made awesome points.
haha thanks!
Oh yes what a great idea to source pro-feminism sites on a anti-feminism take.
Try using something less biased as a source next time.
try again.
Of course unless you want me to take it down again..
your entire take was biased.. kind of the pot calling the kettle black here. Try again.
Yes it was biased BUT i never sourced any MRA or male activist sites.
Hell if you go to my comments on other opinions i sourced nothing but government and feminist "leaning" sites (like huffington post) for my arguments
But i guess you do challenge me to answer this.
I'll be right back.
On your first two comments you said that basically women were some sort of oppressed minority who was not allowed to work. You sited a male bitch, or we call them feminist and simply said "he is a man" you see on our side we don't play identity politics. We don't care that you are a woman or man, we care about the truth. I can also site you WOMEN who are on our side, but i won't because i don't play identity politics.
But back to females being "oppressed". It was males that took the dangerous jobs during 19th century and before and excepted to do so to provide for their family. It was these jobs that paid a lot more then the female jobs like sewing or being a shop keep or other female oriented jobs. Death-rate in 19th century workplaceeh.net/.../
almost 99% of workplace deaths were males in the 19th century.
As for these women not working.
there were plenty of women that worked (mostly in poor families), and it was preferably by them to just stay home and take care of the kids instead of being in a sweatshop. Actually a lot of the times men were not allowed to work these jobs that the women acquired because they were reserved for women because they were safer. Actually the first laws for protecting workers involving hours was for... women. eh.net/.../
and you will notice not a single one for men...
Men would go out to jobs like mining, brigade building, construction, tunnel building, dam building and the poor women was not allowed to work their, for one their was no machinery like drills, and jack hammers, these jobs involved mens physical strength. for two it was the most dangerous jobs and men died in thousands when it came to mines and just mines. It was a horrific period when it involved men working
What about the social standards that women received?
The best example i would give to you is one you do know.
It was the famous titanic sinking when the evacution of the passengers would take place.
do you remember what was said? "Women and children first"
More women survived then men, actually almost three time more. And this was expected of men.
https://www.icyousee.org/titanic.html
but please continue to tell me how you were so oppressed during that time.
You see that argument involved non feminist or MRA/MGTOW what other group that hates feminists site.
That's how a debate is run. and of course i am biased, but i am also providing non biased sources for my arguments. you, young hyper-sexual, cat woman. are not.
OH also for a helpful hint in debating, don't copy and paste the damn article.
Use can use "quotes" but not the whole thing.
anyways good luck. minx
what about the fact that it was legal and accepted to bet your wife? Did you even read any of what I wrote. All you seem to be focused on is 19th century England when there are human rights violations and atrocities going on RIGHT NOW. In countries In Africa, Iraq, China, Russia you name it, against women. Russian bride kidnapping is still common where they kidnap a woman off the streets and force her to get married to him. Of course I disagree with the lifeboats thing but keep in mind it was the MALE captain and MALE crew enforcing this rule. You obviously just hate women and you wanted someone to call names. This isn't debate you never even read half my points you just came here so you could make yourself feel superior by basically calling me a whore. Because that's what immature men do when they want a woman to stop talking they call her a whore to make her shut up. You are just so incredibly immature you just came here to make yourself feel like a big man!
I am sincerely sorry that you are so bitter and insecure but I'm not going to sit here and be called names by someone who obviously just wants a reason to hate women for ever rejecting him. Please get some help before you become violent :) best of luck anonymous coward!
Here by the way is a quote from the article YOU provided "The numbers make it all too clear that a rule of First Class First far outweighed the principle of Women and Children First." People with MONEY got saved not women first $$$$ first. You just proved yourself wrong nicely done!
"I already have the relationship I want but thank's for your concern, I don't need advice from an immature man-child."
That is the first reply you commented me with.
Ohh honey I already have a relationship, The thing is I have no interest in immature little man-children like yourself. I have standards and I actually don't want to be with a man who hates me just because of my gender and intends to treat me like shit how surprising! And my boyfriend holds the same beliefs as me, we each pay half of everything, have never had a fight, and I am and have been in a happy relationship for years now. Conflict free, and we are off on vacation in a few days. Again I am truly sorry for your bitter sad existence. I'll be off in DisneyWorld with my boyfriend while you sit there filled with hate and wanking in the dark by yourself. Have fun with that!
I didn't call you a name or anything but you decided to do so.
I read your points, and i laughed.
I gave you back sources and now you can't debate me and accuse me of not reading your sources. or half the shit.
Tell me what is russia or china doing to women?
I can go back earlier and earlier of times where women received much more privilege.
You seem to be concentrated on women not being allowed to do such stuff yet not see how in other area women were the most privileged creatures in history.
Men were killed the most in history, whether it was through wars or other reason it was not the woman.
It was men that suffered the most.
You may say that i hate women all you want because you cannot debate me. but it won't change the fact that marriage is dying, so hope you can ride that "hyper-sexual" train to your happiness.
because no man would want you.
oh and hookers exist.
Look up comfort women, look up foot binding, look up Female genital mutilation, look up honour killings, and then tell me if you "Laughed" because you obviously have no humanity or compassion left in you anymore and that is very very sad.
oh no comfort women having sex for men while they go out and die.
These crimes against females. I don't understand how this is "oppression" these are just crimes against females.
foot binding is just cruel.
what about circumcision? males are still forced to get that. unless you promote that too as a mentally sick feminist.
So are you going to ignore my comment on you calling me a name for absolutely no reason? I thought you were so mad about me doing it when you were the one who called me a "man child just because i disagreed with you.
That's funny that you try to make me out as some inhuman person just because i disagree with you.
you are a perfect feminist, oppression just because men disagree with you.
go home your drunk..
If you read my previous points you would already see that I disagree with male circumcision too, so it's obvious now that you have some reading comprehension issues. And besides that comfort women were often very young girls stolen from their homes and raped up to 50 times a day, starved, drugged, beaten. and many of them died from their abuse. If you consider confinement and forced rape to be "sex" you have some pretty fucked up definitions of sex many of these people were little girls CHILDREN.
They stole women from Korea and often even their own local Japanese women were stolen. These women were often prisoners of war and starved or where abused until they died. THAT IS NOT SEX.
"all children, whether female, male or intersex should be protected from having parts of their genitals cut or removed unless there is a pressing medical indication … regardless of the cultural or religious affiliations of the parents.” this is a quote I provided earlier from a feminist site and yes this is how all feminists feel about the issue. Adults should never be cutting children's genitals. You are not grasping a single point I have made, and honey I don't hate men , I hate idiots and that applies to you :)
Rape is sex.
just cause it's not consensual doesn't mean it's, it's just consensual sexual intercourse
"unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim."
not consensual "sex"
Rape is not sex rape is a violent form of assault. If you can't tell the difference you need to get some help. You are so sick that you don't even feel anything for the women and girls who were taken from their homes and forced into being physically assaulted, starved, and drugged all day and night until they died. They were tortured to death. And you say "so what?" stop talking to me.
I never said I had no sympathy for the men who go to war, but here you are saying you don't give a shit about all the women and girls who were abused and tortured to death. My mom and stepdad are in the armed forces so of course I care about them. But it doesn't mean they should get to torture and kill people in their spare time while they are not fighting. You are truly screwed in the head.
Rape is non consensual intercourse.
Definition of sex is: "
(chiefly with reference to people) sexual activity, including specifically sexual intercourse."
definition of rape is: "unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim."
What do i have wrong? this is definition by dictionary. Rape is sex without consent, forced sex, most times violent. Yes it's also assault?
Why are you challenging the definition in the dictionary?
And you are just using ad hominems by insulting me or my character and not debating what is my argument.
And that's a very ignorant comment to make about someone, why would you say that i don't care about woman being raped? just because i dare to disagree with you?
you know fully well you said sarcastically "oh no! women having sex with soldiers" as if to say "too bad so sad I don't give a shit" you have shown your true colours and now you are just talking yourself in circles to try and distract me from what you said. You seem to get a sadistic thrill about women being harmed it's pretty fucking sick.
lmao the way you make rape out to be the worst crime in the world.
It's not as bad as actually getting murdered, or actual torture.
It's forced sex, it's wrong and it's cruel.
You are a mentally sick person to be trying to accuse me of this. go home you hyper-sexual feminazi.
and i'm also done talking to a person who is accusing me of getting a thrill out of women being hurt. you sick fuck.
so now you are trying to downplay it, cute. But you have already shown your true colours. That you think someone being raped and internally injured repeatedly is "not so bad" And they were murdered often choked so hard during what you like to call "sex' that they died, if they didn't die that way they were starved to death, overdosed on drugs, or just simply shot because there wasn't enough room in the barracks, I'm sorry you think that women being tortured, assaulted, starved, and forcibly injected with drugs is "not so bad". You can call me sick all you want but you know deep inside that you are the one who has issues. You hate women so much you don't care how much they suffer. Watch this video and then tell me it's not so bad or that you don't care. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CmWdrlv3fI
You are a vile human being. Just because i disagree with you, you accuse me of enjoying women being raped or hurt?
I don't know whats wrong with you, but you seriously need help. You are a sick fuck.
YOU ADMITTED SEVERAL TIMES THAT YOU DO NOT CARE WHEN WOMEN GET HURT I am just rephrasing what you have already admitted yourself.
quote me where i said those exact words or meaning that.
fucking quote me.
"I read your points, and i laughed." -you laughed at all my examples of human rights violations against women
"These crimes against females. I don't understand how this is "oppression" these are just crimes against females." - You think that if it's JUST a crime against females it isn't oppression and doesn't matter, you'd just say oh well it's just a crime against a woman I don't care let it continue to happen!
"lmao the way you make rape out to be the worst crime in the world.
It's not as bad as actually getting murdered, or actual torture." Rape is a form of torture "The term "torture" means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person" but you seem to think it's no big deal and not give a shit about rape victims.
Do yourself a favour and stop replying, go to your family or a mental help professional and tell them about the thoughts and feelings you have been having. Best of luck!
So where do i say that get a thrill out of women being hurt?
or that i don't care?
I just said that those are crimes, but it's not "oppression", torture can be rape, but i ALSO consider torture as pulling off nails, pulling teeth out, cutting limbs off, crushing hands and bones, breaking bones. Rape is not as bad as being murdered, or having your arms cut off, or teeth pulled out, or bones crushed or many of the other tortures that exist.
and ALL i said is rape is not as bad as being murdered or tortured.
how fucking dare you accuse me of being a man who enjoys women being raped and tortered because i dare to disagree with you.
I said fucking quote me where i said that i enjoy women getting raped or hurt. quote me where i said i don't care about women being raped or hurt.
As I said get some mental help it will help you a lot. If you weren't an anonymous coward I'd invite you to my wedding in a few years! But you will probably still be sitting alone in the dark ranting and raving completely alone. I feel really bad for you Bye!
No wedding, nothing is going to happen to you.
Stop getting so damn mad that you have to resort to calling your opponent a person who enjoys women getting raped and hurt.
You do not have a boyfriend, you are completely delusional of marriage and your life itself. and your just a vile person altogether.
Have a good day, minx
why don't you go tell other people stories of your imaginary feminist boyfriend.
Or the "my boyfriend got scouted to be a model" story is a kicker: www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q1525381-my-boyfriend-got-scouted-to-be-a-model-i-feel-weird-about-it
Start with that one:)
ohh honey I bet you wish I was lying don't you! You wish I was as lonely and sad as you are but unfortunately no, the kicker is he's a model too! He's perfect and you could never even begin to amount to him, you are the most insignificant little turd compared to him. Have fun wanking alone in mommie's basement. I'll be on vacation with my boyfriend starting Wednesday we paid equally for a trip to Disney World! I'll share pictures on here later on a question or take if you'd like to keep an eye out... but it might make you feel too pathetic :(
Then I'll be moving in together with him late this month it's pretty exciting! sharing all our costs equally rent etc. never having to live sad and alone! I don't have anything to prove to you but you can rest assured I am happier than you will ever be until you quit being such a bitter little hate monger and get some mental help!
hahahah
Ok, I'm done. I will give you the remainder of the time to talk.
20 isn't old enough to move out? We don't all live in our mother's basement well into our 30's sorry to break it to you.
So what on earth would be the point of studying a major? I want to enroll in neurology after finishing my last year of HS. That doesn't mean I don't want kids of my own in the future.
Why can't I be a professional mother? Why does it only have to be only cooking and cleaning for me, 24/7 at home and giving up my major completely?
Are you saying is a waste of time for a woman to want to get a better education first?
I am confused as to where you think he said that is wrong. Please enlighten me.
@jormungand
The poster in the first paragraph after the title ''What marriage or relationship is'' only mentions that it's a two way street, in which it has to be the traditional way of the man providing and bringing home the money while the woman focuses on being a housewife.
So base on this ridiculous conclusion, does this mean I'll never have time to complete a major and work while at the same time being a mother?
Why should it only be a traditional marriage/relationship? Does the OP have something against women that want kids but also want to keep their careers. Men are able to work and be fathers... why can't women do the same (work and form a family)?
It was not clear but the OP was pointing towards the feminist fight for the supposed 'Wage gap' and how men are earning more.
The point is, if you spend more with family, you spend less with career and hence you earn less. It is a simple distribution of time. Men work with longer hours so they will earn more, have more experience, more likely to be promoted, and will further earn higher wages.
Not at all, but if you become a "professional woman" that would also mean that the man would be working too.
So if you want kids it would mean that you would need to get a nanny, to raise the children for you.
This does have it's consequences in the child mental health and it's future. A child needs his mother, not a nanny. And it's just selfish to choose yourself over the child, if you want to be this professional then you go ahead; but don't make the child suffer for your chooses. Just don't have the child.
Nice way of saying I can't ever be a successful professional mother? So basically it's just either working and forever childless or only a traditional stay-at-home forever with no chance of progressing in the business world too?
So basically from what I'm getting it's actually a lose-lose situation for woman. If she decides to have kids, she can't never have the chance of getting promoted in the business world and if she does, she has to wait 10 years (right... like I'm going to feel like starting a career when I'm already 30 while others already have a Ph degree by then) and if she wants to have a major, omg she's sooo selfish, how hard she doesn't puts being traditional first.
Asker, then admit it. You don't want a working woman. You want a forever traditional wife.
You seem to want to have everything without thinking of the consequences.
You can either be an excellent professional woman and your mothering will suffer for it. Or you can be a better mother and your career will suffer for it. I'm sure you can have a great relationship with your kids but you will not have a better relationship then the mother who stays at home and takes care of the child. You seem to think that taking care of a child is some easy thing or something.
But again Nannies no matter how great they are will simply replace you as a mother to the child, the child will have that bond with the nanny and he will at the same time know that you are his mother. His/her relationships in the future will suffer, among other problems. I'm afraid you do not know the importance of a mother to a child's mental and physical health.
You may want to accuse me of being some sort of sexist, or saying that i don't want mothers to work. But my mother is a single mother, so why would i do that?
In a society where we 9both men as well as women) all shouldn't be in such an all fired hurry to form attachments to a potential mate. what is the all fired hurry to commit for life to a person that you ( REALLY ) don't know that you can or would want to spend the rest of your life with? Feminist DO contribute to the down fall of marriage whether it be traditional marriage or a more modern marriage. In all reality , it the culmination of both individuals that either make or break a marriage , you either nourish the union or you starve it. period..
Umm, not sure if this is really a guy writing this "question," or if it's just a feminist posing as a guy trying to build a stawman to point to online and say, "You see, look at how stupid guys are?"
The whole structure of that read was:
1. Let me hook you with what promises to be an interesting read
2. Let me try to somehow connect marriage and feminism
3. Listen to my rant on feminism
4. Conclusion, feminism sucks and I don't want to get married
Wow. . . that is all. . . just wow
Marriage and feminism does connect.
It was feminism that convinced women that getting divorce is okay even if you are just "bored".
Many feminists believe that the destruction of the "nuclear family" is the right thing and promote promiscuity which obviously is not a thing to participate in if you want a serious marriage that lasts.
Feminism puts down stay at home mothers while promoting the "working women" who would rather work and hire a nanny rather then stay at home with the child.
what about the fathers day commercial where feminists made it about mothers: www.youtube.com/watch
53% of all marriages end in divorce, If the women cheats then she can still have your money and alimony. Did you know some states, if you find out that the child isn't yours and want divorce you will still have to pay the woman money, and basically lose everything and also pay for the children that are not yours.
Why on earth would i take such a deal? why on earth would you take such a deal?
it was femisism
Umm, not sure if this is really a guy writing this "question," or if it's just a feminist posing as a guy trying to build a stawman to point to online and say, "You see, look at how stupid guys are?
What a silly comment.
Look, you have a lot of misdirected anger and hate, which is causing you to "conflate" everything you're angry at into one huge Hodge pot. Marriage is bad for its own reasons, "independent" of Feminism. "Feminism" is bad for its own reasons, "independent" of marriage.
To even try to connect the two and attribute the negatives of one onto the other is more of the natural conclusion of your emotional rage than of any sort of well-thought out rational analysis.
there is no emotional rage.
I didn't connect these myself or try to put them together.
It IS together, it was feminists who support alimony and child support even though if the female cheats, but if the male cheats then thats even worse, but if it was the female then it's because of abuse or some other victim problem.
I am looking at the facts, and that is that the laws are immensely against men in divorce court, to a point where women can almost do no wrong. I mean i could link you to recent horror stories like :https://home.earthlink.net/~ynot/divorce.html and
Again i have to make it clear there is no emotions in this i am just being logical
imagine if you were in a phone contract for life and if the phone co.. "fail" then you had to pay them fees and all this money and if you fail then you still have to pay them fees and all this money on top of that you find out that that 53% of all contracts fail...
why do you think i am being emotional in this argument?
Okay, without taking this the wrong way or getting defensive... as someone who has actually had to take both Family Law, and then Family Law Practice... in law school... I just want to point out one simple fact... (drumroll) ... the law of "alimony" (now called spousal "maintenance") existed "way before" Feminism. In fact, the law of extra-marital "child support" (i. e., the legal obligation to support a child regardless whether the parents are married) first arose in the early 1600s through the Elizabethian Poor Laws in England. Both of the topics you're attributing "Feminism" to "pre-dated" Feminism.
"Feminism" isn't what destroys relationships between two people who are married. The marriage "contract" is what destroys relationships between two people. As an example, consider "at-will" employment versus "contractual" employment. If I have an employment "contract," my position with the employer is reasonably "secure." That means, for as long as I don't violate the terms of the contract, I have "the legal right" to remain employed (or if earlier terminated, entitled to "damages" for "early" or "wrongful" termination; breach of contract damages). So, my "incentive" to make my employer happy or care about what makes him unhappy, or "modify" by behavior as circumstances change is "extremely limited." Compare and contrast with the "at-will" relationship, where my employment may be "terminated at any time and with no reason." Yikes! How happy my employer is with me is really the only thing holding that relationship together, so I have all the incentive in the world to keep him happy.
this for a fact i know.
the difference then and now is that if the women cheated then she would not have gotten anything because she broke the contract, but if it was just because things didn't work out then it would be awarded to her. It was also because at that time it would of been hard for a woman to get a job if she was only a housewife all her life and the alimony would of been for her and the children, but then child support came into action in 1975 which doesn't make sesnse since there was already alimony.
America also has a billion dollar divorce industry obviously from the messed up laws.www.youtube.com/watch
so again i ask: imagine if you were in a phone contract for life and if the phone co. "fail" then you had to pay them fees and all this money, and if you fail then you still have to pay them fees and all this money. on top of that you find out that that 53% of all contracts fail...
why do you keep protecting marriage when it's obvious it's completely illogical to do so.
Because not only can I be terminated if I start "slacking" and objectively (in the "overall" sense) don't "perform" as an employee, I can also just simply be "replaced"! That's right, if someone with more energy, more qualifications, who is willing and able to work harder and longer hours than me comes alone, and they're simply better than me, I'm out of a job!
With "at will" employment, I "constantly" have incentive to "keep bettering myself," keep looking for ways to make my employer "prefer" me being employed as opposed to: (a) replacing me with someone else, or (b) terminating the relationship.
It's the dynamic of "contract law" that "destroys the economic incentive" people have to continue caring and making an effort towards their partners' happiness and satisfaction in the relationship. Once you take that away, the relationship obviously suffers. It's behavioral economics 101. The "evidence" of that theory is in the divorce rate.
You are correct about employment and contracts but there are still more reasons to use contracts that could also benefit the company itself.
But my argument isn't that feminism destroys marriage, it's that people do so. BUT feminism encourages women to divorce, and gives them victimhood status in courts and men lose everything.
I cannot blame an ideology for the failing of marriage it's multiple factors BUT feminism has a huge role in relationships and marriage in america.
I see and understand what you're saying. I can tell you that it's not exactly "Feminism" that influences courts in the slightest bit. "The law" is just a set of rules the legislature either drafts, or that judges has shared their "opinion" about through cases (i. e., the "common law"). That "history" of judicial opinions establishes something called "precedent." The whole reason lawyers can give advice and people know how to behave is because the law does not "constantly" change "overnight." The law slowly develops over hundreds of years. "Family law" is a "huge" problem area of the law, because the "rationale" from all the "precedent" was once true in the 1600s, but is no longer true today. That doesn't mean that judges receive bribes or secret instructions from "Feminists" in the mail urging the family court judges one way or another on all alimony or child support cases. No, it's simply a case of the law failing to catch up with the times fast enough.
Take "parenthood" as an example. "Parenthood" is a legal status. "Nature" has no such thing as "parenthood." Nature has something called "biological affinity" (e. g., the "genetic" parent). But, we know that "genetic" parenthood is not the same as "legal" parenthood. People may "adopt" children, or a child may be fathered by one man, but because of the "marital presumption," the "legal" father may be the "husband" of the wife that gave birth to the child. Additionally, "parenthood" may be "destroyed." A mother may either "terminate" her pregnancy (e. g., abortion, morning-after pill), or leave a child at a "safe haven," no questions asked. A "frozen pre-zygote" may either be implanted in a surrogate, or destroyed. So, "biology" has less to do with the "creation" or "destruction" of "parenthood" (i. e., the legal rights and duties with respect to a child) as much as "personal choice" does.
This was not the case in the 1600s. In the 1600s, if a woman became pregnant, pregnancy equaled children. In other words, "to become pregnant" meant and was tantamount to "becoming a parent." Therefore, the Elizabethian Poor Laws made "equitable" sense. If men "caused" a woman to become pregnant, they it was only "fair" that they should be legally responsible for the resulting child (because the presupposition was, that there would be a resulting child, and that the woman had no other choice). Yet, prior to the Elizabethian Poor Laws, "contract law" took care of things like "parenthood" and "child support." The "marriage contract" carried the implicit term of creating "third party beneficiary" rights to any child born "of the marriage" (again, not necessarily the "genetic" child of the father). By agreeing to the contract, the husband was "consenting" to have parental rights and duties "created" should the wife become pregnant (even to another man's child).
You can see the problem in 2015, with following laws that were created with a supporting rationale that was once relevant in 1583, but no longer applicable in 2015. Suppose a man and a woman take their eggs and sperm to a lab, and "create" a "frozen pre-zygote" (i. e., conceive a child). Now, suppose that "custody and possession" of that pre-zygote belongs exclusively with the woman. The man wants to be a father, but the woman say, "You know what, I feel like going back to school, and I'm not ready to be a mom yet." Can the man "force" the woman to be a mother? No. Now, flip it. The woman wants to be a mother, but the man says, "Hey, I'm just starting my career, and I'm not financially stable yet, I want to wait before I'm a parent." Can the woman "force" the man to be a father? Yes. So much for, "if the right to liberty is to mean anything, it is the right of a person to be able to choose whether to bare or beget a child." I guess "liberty" only applies to women, or men aren't people.
But that's the thing though the law changed fast enough for the feminists when they talked about it in 1975, that's when feminism really took off and that's when they set out to change the laws.
Thousands and thousands of fathers being depleted completely later and it's still not changed.
These laws of alimony was set out because they simply couldn't afford a place of their own or take care of the children, that even applied up till the 30's. Females then starting to get overwhelmingly in the workforce during the war, taking on more "manly" jobs. Now Alimony is just a way to suck mens fortune out, while women having no trouble getting a job and even to the fact that more women are in college then men.
It is Feminism that not only allows but still supports these laws, again i can't blame feminism on this 100% since it's a billion dollar industry and people are winning heavily by it. So there is a lot of incentive to keep it that rhetoric going for them when it comes to marriage.
truthfully i think feminism is used by these people to keep themselves in business.
That's not why "alimony" arose, nor why it continues to exist today as "spousal maintenance." When two people are married, they have a duty of "spousal support." Granted, they do not have a duty "to work." So, even though they each have a duty to "support" the other, it can quickly turn into a game of "chicken." (i. e., I'm going to stay home and take care of the kids, while you can go out to work and "support" me). Nevertheless, the "theory" of alimony is that once the marriage has "terminated," (abruptly), the "dependent" spouse now finds herself in a situation where the "right to receive spousal support" has suddenly terminated overnight. In order to maintain "the status quo," the courts allow the "duty of spousal support" to continue in a limited sense "after" the marriage contract has been dissolved... something once called "alimony," now called spousal "maintenance." (i. e., to "maintain" your spouse's "standard of living" that she has become accustomed to during the marriage).
What keeps "family court judges and lawyers" ... "in business" is not "feminism." "Children" keep these people in business. When there are no children in a marriage, then it's just a simple dissolution of a partnership. When "children" are in the picture, a court will "withhold" a final divorce decree until "all issues" are finally resolved and determined. Because issues of "custody and visitation" are (not directly financial), but important and emotional, spouses usually use issues related to "children" as bargaining chips in order to gain leverage and negotiate other terms like "maintenance" or "equitable distribution of the assets." It's not "feminism" that ties up or complicates divorce proceedings - it's "children."
Another sad, miserable fuck...
The problems you list for men are problems that either predate feminism, or exist separately from it as a result of men imposing certain behavior on each other.
And, like all MRAs, you don't talk about men's issues in any other context except to blame feminists for not fixing them for you. Not a very masculine approach to solving your problems, is it?
In fact, I'd wager that if you weren't anonymous, I might be able to comb through your posting history to find statements from you expressing antipathy towards those men who dropped out of college, who got locked up, who killed themselves. Would-be alphas like yourself have nothing but disdain for other men, especially if they're not like you.
I'm sure the women of the world are about as upset that you're taking yourself "off the market" as drivers are when defective cars get recalled.
Oh look another sad feminist white knighting.
It's so sad watching you fools protect feminists.
I bet you really believe that feminism is about equality of both sexes.
"would be alpha" I'm assuming you got some girl stolen from you and found that men to be more of a man then you, then found the feminist movement that believes that "masculinity is toxic" go be a tumblerite somewhere else, fucking social justice warrior.
and oh no how dare i ever want rights for men.
And good god you are a sad excuse of a man, i mean not only do you know that feminism started this bullshit with the females being able to take every penny you own if they cheat, but also if you raise children that aren't yours then not only will you have to support the children that are not yours, you will have to pay for the women too.
prenups are thrown out because they could say that "she was stressed".
These are logical points that a MAN looks at and thinks to himself "hmm 53% of marriages fail, and no matter what happens the divorce courts on are the womens side" and the people that protect these cheating women are feminists.
and why are you so emotional about this?
go Mcintosh somewhere else. and cry to your feminists on how "misogynistic" i was pathetic little beta.
"I'd wager that if you weren't anonymous, I might be able to comb through your posting history to find statements from you expressing antipathy towards those men who dropped out of college, who got locked up, who killed themselves. Would-be alphas like yourself have nothing but disdain for other men, especially if they're not like you."
that's a big assumption let me make on of you.
I bet you are a fat neck-beard male feminist that probably hates all white males for being so "privileged".
Trust me dude, your not going to get laid just because you call yourself a feminists, and if you do get laid more then likely they will accuse you of rape.
one on you*
Funny how when you guys get pressed, you always seem to fall back to worrying about your money, and all the faux worry about suicide rates and and college admissions flies out the window. I find it amusing at least.
It's interesting to note that alimony laws as we know them date to the 19th century before women even had the right to vote, and certainly long before women held elected office. Now, who do you suppose passed these horrible laws? That's right! It was men. And before no-fault divorce (which coincided with the second wave of feminism), alimony was granted for life. You sure you really want to go back to those days? Be my guest.
Your hatred of non-traditional men is readily apparent. So much for your supposed concern for men's rights.
Also, real alphas are busy winning at life. They have better things to do than sit at home on a Friday night ranting anonymously on the internet about women running off with their money. Your obsession and anger with being cheated on is pretty telling, yet somehow I'm the one that must have had my money run off with (hint: it never happened). I can only assume you're deflecting your own experiences to me.
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you're the little bitch who called me a "miserable fuck if you wanted a debate then i would of loved one and it wouldn't of been as "aggressive" as this. and to me i don't see anything non-traditional then any other man in histroy, combatative and ignorant.
I have not been cheated on and i have not have had some "bad" experience when it comes to girlfriends. But when i did have a girlfriend i looked into marriage and other things, eventually i came into knowledge of these laws.
Why would i worry about my money and women if i am willing to provide for the woman and take care of her?
i am willing for a woman to have total access to the money i make if i would trust her.
if you would of read my take i said that logistically speaking without emotions, marriage is a risky prospect. You never know how a person turns out after living with them for more than a few years.
And I blame feminism because they are the only people protecting cheating women when it comes to divorce. They support this prejudice in divorce courts on the bullshit basis that women are oppressed.
Oh by the way, this is feminism today, "air conditioning is sexist" www.youtube.com/watch
www.telegraph.co.uk/.../...sexist.-True-story.html
www.inc.com/.../...r-cold-office-temperatures.html
feminism is first world children complaining about first world problems
This guy gets it ^^
I love the little burn at the end there it's so true! he's up there "warning me" that I will never find a man even though if he'd taken a peek at my profile he'd see I already have found a great relationship with a non-psycho. I really do appreciate when these MGTOW babies "take themselves off the market" it makes so much fewer little man-child shitbags for single straight women to have to sort through!
OH who said anyone was a MGTOW here?
You are the one who was accusing me of enjoying women being raped and hurt just because i a dare to disagree with you. I asked you quote where i said that and you cannot, so you go to other comments to talk shit about me?
You can't answer a single one of my debates and all you do is start calling me names.
Fucking feminists. everyone hates you.
I think most divorces happen because of debt/money issues.
and "Feminism takes the responsibility and accountability from the women and gives it to the man." I agree with that. people should handle their own issues.
if that makes the world competitive, then I like that. I've been reading lately about married couples living apart, and I think it's a really interesting way to have a relationship. so I like how things are more flexible now.
80% of divorces are filed by women the most sited reason being irreconcilable diffrences ie no fault. Married couples living apart? Why is that interesting way to have relationship?
@hellionthesage that doesn't mean that was the real reason. there have been other studies that say what I did, and lots of stories too... and , it sounds a lot better to say that, instead of admitting there were money issues don't you think?
and that's interesting to me, because lots of couples who do it say they still really like each other. but when people are separated, they don't want anything to do with each other. I
like how it's not what you would expect.
The most sited word in divorce papers is "facebook". No fault divorce, I have never seen issues that say money is the problem since there are many tax breaks for married couples and being in a a single house with two working people is much more cost effective then two homes with one bread winner each.
@hellionthesage oh, there can be plenty of reasons why people divorce for money! like one partner might get into debt, and then starts putting bills in the other partner's name so they don't have to pay it... except the other partner didn't know how bad the debt was until too late. and that's just one example. divorce might be messy, but at least the finances are finally separate.
@Take Owner it just hit me that you replied to almost all the other girls' posts except for mine LOL
I'm sorry I'll give you more attention, the man in me likes to answer to the more combative females. I'm pretty sure it's a form of autism.
But Debt and money issues isn't what a man thinks about when going into marriage. One thinks about laws, stats, partner trust etc. But Debt and money isn't that big a thought, when thinking about partnering for life with someone you love.
@Take Owner I don't believe that. money is a huge issue for people. but... no one really wants to admit to it. think about it: grown adult people who've been paying bills and living paycheck to paycheck for a long time, finally have the opportunity to do something different. if they were like 18-20 I might agree with you. but the older people have been supporting themselves for a long time... money is a huge factor. and I don't believe people that age would marry for emotional reasons.
I'm sure that's true for them.
But they are not what is important. Their time has passed.
It's the people that have babies and continue the population of whatever country.
Europeans and Americans do not have babies, No one in america is encouraging it.
Younger people i would hope DO worry about money, but i'm damn sure they don't worry about their partner doing something scummy like that to them.
What you are speaking of are small points.
it's a pretty huge point, since it can make or break a marriage, and effect people for years on end.
I'm not sure why your so stuck up on the partner using divorce for some sort of finical escape thing.
You are more likely to be cheated on, or as a man to be raising children that you don't know is your own. Then to be financially scammed and your partner to commit fraud.
I as a man, knowing a plethora of other men know that being scammed isn't a worry to me. Cause it's a small statistical amount of women, very small.
What a man looks at is the divorce laws, the divorce stats. Not because he is planning on or thinking on divorce but because he is logical and wants to think things out before just acting and making a life decision like a life contract.
especially since the economy has been so terrible over the years. i think money and debt would be a gigantic factor for people now, way more than they were in the past.
you don't know is not your own****
what does that mean?
yours isn't the only mytake I've seen that hasn't mentioned money and divorces. or marriages... I haven't read a marriage/traditional family mytake on here that does mention money. everyone really avoids that point.
and... a lot of long term marriages didn't stay together because of the kids/love but because of money too. the opposite can happen. like if the husband and wife have a mortgage, then if they divorce neither one can make the payments, so it's either lose or sell the house. so even if they hate each other, they'll stay married because they don't want to lose all their money, or have to pay off leftover debt. I really don't think older people are emotional about these things.
I'm a man, and I'm a feminist, and I have a fine -ass woman, also a feminist, who begs me to tie her up and fuck her in the ass. U mad?
Most of the shit you're talking about that negatively affects males exist because of the patriarchy. The patriarchy teaches boys to shun jobs they enjoy for dangerous ones that pay well. The patriarchy only makes boys sign for draft because women are weak. The patriarchy punishes men more strongly than women because men are violent and aggressive while women are passive and peaceful. The patriarchy tells suicidal men to man the fuck up instead of offering help.
The shit you're complaining about is shit that was being perpetuated long before feminism bro. Don't blame women for that shit. The patriarchy fucks men just as bad as it's fucked women.
If this is true, then where is the feminist opposition to all of this? Feminists claim to oppose the patriarchy.
You are right, however, to imply that there is continuity. Feminism is just a slightly-modified continuation of traditionalism. But, if traditionalism is bad (and you think it is, and I agree), what does that say about feminism?
Furthermore, I wonder how many upvotes you would have received from women, if your first paragraph were "I'm a man, and I'm an anti-feminist, and I have a fine -ass woman, also an anti-feminist, who begs me to tie her up and fuck her in the ass. U mad?". It seems that the feminist outrage against the sexual 'objectification' of women is rather selective.
THE PAY-TREE-ARE-KEY!
And what the hell dude, why didn't you attend last months patriarchy meeting? We had cookies and discussed about ways how we can oppress women.
so you're a feminist because you knew girls would find it hot? and I agree with you about patriarchy hurting men too. you're the only guy who's mentioned that.
yeah the patriarchy buts such a huge burden on men and boys to carry the cross of "ultra masculinity" at all times or else. and how dare human males have NORMAL HUMAN EMOTIONS!! It's so sick. My boyfriend is a feminist too, he actually asked me before we started dating straight up "do you believe in feminism? because I do and I don't want to have clashing views.." I think it's good to sort out that kind of thing before a relationship too. But I'm sick of men repeatedly fucking each other over, and shunning each other the minute one of them lets down the "ultra masculinity" expectation for half a fucking second and then they blame women for it!
nice story minx
you should add that to your diary. Does your imaginary boyfriend also love it when you accuse him of enjoying women being raped and hurt because he disagrees with you like on your opinion?
Calm your mental ass down.
"my boyfriend got scouted to be a model" story was a pretty good one. Let's start with that one story.
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q1525381-my-boyfriend-got-scouted-to-be-a-model-i-feel-weird-about-it
shit dude someone's fucking jealous! stop stalking that girl freak.
God, the hate you received from certain women was predictable yet sad at the same time. But good take. I like how you didn't cloud your judgement with emotions like other male naysayers (for lack of a better word) do.
i know i find it hilarious.
It's not up to the females whether they agree or not, this is up to the males.
i simply pointed out that logistically speaking marriage is a very bad idea.
Dude... the whole take was an emotional, angry rant lol
But I guess I forgot, it's only "emotional" when it's coming from a woman... lol
There was no emotion in ot. Just because a fact is hard to swallow doesn't mean you can brush it off as emotional.
Where was the emotion sara?
Do you not like women? Relationships? Feminism? Or any of them?
I love women, just not relationship or marriage or feminism.
And feminism and marriage is a deadly combination for the male, unless he is a masochist.
Okay, I sort of understand where you're coming from. However, you shouldn't let your past experiences or other peoples experiences hold you back from finding that 'special one'. Things can go wrong, of course they can, people can get hurt, people can lie - but that happens throughout everyone's life. You just need to find someone right for you. Just think how many people in the world are happily married, living some great memories. Of course there's more to life than marriage, but don't let all these things you hear make you think that its such a bad thing.
The idea of feminism is a great thing. It's changed the roles of women so much and for the better. In most countries man and women are pretty much equals. However, I will admit that sometimes even women have the upper hand. In addition a few of the followers of feminism have turned it into a hateful organisation towards men and women who don't believe in it. We need to see people as individuals and accept that jobs need doing.
I'd happily work for the day or I'd happily clean the house for a day if it needs doing. I can do the 'typical' jobs without thinking men have it better or that I'm not equal to them.
I would totally agree with you except the fact that it is WAY to much of a gamble. Imagine if you had to gamble a life long contract that fails 53% of the time and if you do something wrong to break this contract you lose all your money, and if she cheats then you lose all your money.
Marriage is a beautiful thing, but i am not sweeped by poetic rhetoric and emotions, i look at the facts and i see that half of marriages fail and women have the upperhand.
I understand that you believe i am making an emotion choice but i assure you if i was i would really want to get married because it sounds amazing, i would love to provide for and protect my wife. But not with such bad laws and bad numbers.
and as far as feminism goes it's time for them to disband, they have nothing left except saying stuff like "air conditioning is sexist towards women" www.youtube.com/watch
and wow you are a gem.
Yeah, I understand how you feel. I guess a lot of people don't get married - either because it's too expensive or they just don't feel like marriage means much to them. You could always stay in a relationship with someone but not get married. In that way you get the best of both worlds, enjoy the memories and the company but you're also not tied down if things start to go wrong.
Oh those kind of feminist arguments are pathetic. They make the whole thing look like a joke. Haha, I just understand both sides really.
You are totally correct.
But the sad fact is (i guess good for you) is that you are a rare female. not many can go against the crowd like you.
and for a fact men will chase you and fight for you.
And honestly i wouldn't expect meeting someone like you in real life.
Most of the females i know are feminists, the other don't call themselves that but they believe in their ideology. (whatever they decide that feminists ideology is)
Well thank you for that :)
I guess you just got to put yourself out there, you'll discover that more and more women don't agree with what feminism has become. But don't get me wrong, the original idea - of equality between men and women (in fact equality between everyone) is something I do believe in but I do accept its never going to be perfect and everyone suffers from it.
But as I said, I'm happy to do whatever job needs doing if it benefits people in some way :)
But i do go out, and this is how i came to the conclusion of relationships and marriage being risky (besides the marriage laws and stats)
It's just hordes of them do, why go through all that if i can just get hookers and video games?
seriously there are millions of men choosing this route: www.breitbart.com/.../ (even though i disagree with some of his views he does make an accurate report of men just checking out of relationships and marriage. not wanting to participate)
I feel bad for females who actually do want marriage cause i'm afraid that a lot of them will not get what they wished for.
Hmm that was an interesting link and is something I'll have to look into further. But women have more confidence and support now, they're less vulnerable and it's more acceptable for them to make their own choices. Some women have taken this in a good way and have made something of their lives and career, but others have used the support as a way to make themselves richer through their ex-husbands. We need to stop focusing on just men or just woman, and need the start focusing on everyone, individuals. Then we wouldn't have this education problem etc. Also the point about boys not wanting to approach a girl, that's to do with an individual girl's attitude and personality, one girl would've called him a creep and the other would've taken it as a compliment. See where I'm coming from?
i have to disagree, you cannot just ignore the problem and say that all individuals have to get attention, it's really just men that are suffering from systematic oppression.
93% of prison population are males,
93% of work place deaths are males
males commit four times as much suicide.
males get longer sentences for the same crime.
and males are more likely to get raped then women when including prison assaults
These problems have been completely ignored for the past 40 years. this need attention, because this cannot go well and it will have dire consequences in the future if not addressed. You have to admit those are dire problems...
It's not at all ignoring the problem but instead addressing the fact that women and men suffer from these problems but some men and women don't.
There's no denying that feminism has changed things and given women a much fairer life chance compared to men. It's not perfect but it's a start.
To be honest it's almost pathetic if men are feeling such a systematic oppression just because women now have more chances in life..
Yes. Men do commit more crime, and maybe there are more work deaths of males. But how's that connected to feminism? We've done our bit, we've supported the women out there to get to the men's level.
I guess you're feeling like women have been given more attention and men have been ignored. That's because the majority of men dominated women, but we've changed things over time. What men need to do is make their voices heard and get things changed without blaming it on feminism.
Men get longer sentences for the same crime? Men get more pay for the same job.
Males are more likely to get raped than women when including prison assaults? Women are more likely to get raped on the streets. You see where I'm coming from? I'm not saying women have it worse - what I'm saying is we all have our problems.
So your justification of men having longer sentences and going into prison where they would experience such cruelty is because of the false statement of women making less money for the same job? you do know that is illegal to do correct? and any economist would laugh at that.
here is a feminist who disputes that:www.huffingtonpost.com/.../wage-gap_b_2073804.html
here is another one: www.slate.com/.../..._77_cents_to_every_man_s.html
i take back what i said about men going to want you. if you somehow think that a longer prison term where a man can die, or experience rape, or extreme violence to a misleading and basically lying stat then you will get an awakening that the men you want won't want you. and why would they want such a female?
that's pretty damn vile.
It's connected to feminism because you feminists keep saying feminism is about equality of the sexes but NEVER have they mentioned about males problems.
This is feminism "Air conditioners are sexist"ohh the womanly problems.
And women have not been "dominated". How the hell do you think women have been dominated when it was the men that went out to go to work and risk their lives during a time where it was very common for workplace deaths to happen (males suffered 99% of all workplaces death in that time) and all the women had to do was stay home and take care of the kids, and go out shopping for food. oh the dominance and oppression.
you're not going to fool me.
www.youtube.com/watch
here is your feminism today, it's about how air conditioning is sexist :)
You need to chill. You're on a forum where you ask for people's opinions so you're going to get them.
In no way was I saying that men being raped was okay because women get paid less in some jobs. I was simply pointing out the fact that there are problems that men face and there are problems that women face. You read that completely wrong.
I don't care if men want me or not, that's not a worry to me and it shouldn't be a concern to you. It's not vile because you read it wrong.
Okay that's fair enough that feminism doesn't point out the male problems. So why don't men point them out instead of complaining about feminism and making parody accounts on social media?
Maybe it was my fault for explaining myself in a bad way, but you have completely misunderstood me.
You've already shown me that video and I've explained to you how its pathetic. I believe in equality between men and women. That's all I care about, I don't care about air conditioning. I just want to see people treated fairly.
I am perfectly fine and not mad, i just pointed out a fact that you said this:
"Men get longer sentences for the same crime? Men get more pay for the same job."
you know exactly what you said, don't try to go back on your words.
what kind of person are to say such horrible things?
anyways i gave you my sources and it is a proven fact by economists that the statistic was misleading.
even the feminists would say so.
Then you say women were "dominated" which i'm assuming that in feminist language just means oppressed, and that would mean they had to suffer from some sort of cruelty, but they stayed home with their children while men went out and risked their life. It was men who were drafted and forced to fight a war not women.
hell you women even live longer and less likely to get sick.
anyways i have no use talking to a woman who says such things as "Men get longer sentences for the same crime? Men get more pay for the same job."
you have a great day.
"I just want to see people treated fairly."
is the same person that said:
"Men get longer sentences for the same crime? Men get more pay for the same job"
You're that feminist, you may laugh at the air conditioning feminist. but you tried justifying men suffering in cruel conditions where they die, get raped or experience violence. because of your false misleading stat which was disproven by feminists.
i have no idea why you said such things but you did.
soo good luck with that, and have a good day.
Hmm, I think you've started letting your past emotions in which has started to cloud your argument. I know exactly what I said, I'm sorry I didn't make those two points clearer that they were different and not completely related.
I'm not horrible and I'm not vile because that's what I didn't mean to say. You need to understand that.
Women were expected to fall silently into the society crafted by men, since they were regarded as irrational and sensitive. Women weren't allowed rights, you should know that at your age.
At least I have the decency to admit I made a mistake in how I've written my argument. The least you could do is accept it.
I know exactly what you said to, i read it and you can just scroll up.
Simple fact is no one is going to want to marry a women who feels like justifying that. You did attempt it.
"To be honest it's almost pathetic if men are feeling such a systematic oppression just because women now have more chances in life.. " we are dying left and right, we are ignored and expected to feel that you are the oppressed one.
men were there for you when early feminism was taking off, and you just want to say "fuck you men" now that you have what you wanted?
You can go, and know that you will not have a man that you want if you tell them that you are a feminist.
Especially after trying to justify longer prison sentences with a false stat.
I'm also pretty sure you once owned a "male tears" mug
either way don't expect men to be lining up to you. absolutely no reason to.
Can you truly like any one who tells you your violent/rapist/murderers/sexist/oppressors? That is the basis of feminism, that all men oppressed women, even though all evidence contradicts this. Are you a feminist and do you hate men? I am honestly asking that because to be a feminist you need to hate men because you believe they are the cause of all your problems, look at these comments. When mens issues are brought up, when things bother them and they are concerned what happens? There told to shut up, ironicly some on here when arguing about male suicide (80% of all suicide victims are male) they say its "toxic masculinity" that they don't try to seek help, yet look at the response to this take, how it is immediatley ridiculed and not just this one but every time an issue dealing with men is brought up. Just something to think about.
Correct, I did say that - but I didn't imply it. I meant them as two individual points. If I had put them into two separate bullet points you wouldn't have bat an eyelid. But I'm not going to explain myself to you, especially as you seem to have the inability to move on.
We have been oppressed, and feminism has quietened down a little because it's not as important as it was in the past - especially in more developed countries.
You're going by such a typical stereotype if you think feminists think "fuck you men". Because they don't. I have no problem with men, I think they're great. I also have no problem with women, I think they're great.
Who are you to tell me that no man will want me because I'm a feminist? Pretty much every woman is a feminist - why wouldn't they want equality? It's just some believe more strongly about it than others.
That's such a pointless thing to say. Grow up.
Feminism isn't about calling men sexist or calling them rapists, it's all about letting people know that there are problems that need sorting. We don't walk down the street avoiding or spitting on men because we assume they're going to rape someone.
I guess I am a feminist, but no I don't hate men. I'll hate certain people but no men overall. I don't know what started the whole 'men are better than women' but it's wrong and all I care about is changing that so we're equals. There's no point in hating men over it because it's a thing that happened in the past and is being sorted. Yes there's a stereotype that men are strong and don't cry, and that needs changing. Support for men is very quiet but that's not something to blame feminists over.
But it never happened. Women where never oppressed and it could very easily be argued have been more privledged then men through out history. In scandinavia, historicly if a man was called ergi or unmasculin this was justification for a duel to a death, justified to the point where he was forced by society to duel a man accusing him of this. He was not allowed to participate in most of the religion, since divining and consulting the gods was a womans right. Howver if that same women wished to take on a male role of a warrior lets say, she could and did. The man was forced into a nitch role while a woman was free to do as she wished. This was also true for the scythians, and various tribes in the americas and africa. Jump forward to a more recent time and you have the woman and children first policy that abandones men to save women. When the titanic sank it killed 100 women, and 1358 men because they where expected to stay behind and die, there lives had that little value compared to a
womans. That is not oppression, you cannot be treating a person as nothing but property and then treat there lives as being more valuable then the property owners. Women could own property unless they where married. The reason was because the husband had all financial responsibility there fore any land own by his wife was his responsibility, that is, he was expected to pay the taxes on it, if he could not he would be imprisioned not her. This also whent for any debt the wife incurred. Men got the right to vote, in the US around 1850s, solely based upon the fact that they could and where routinley drafted into war against there will. Since they where expected to fight and die they where finally given the right to have a voice in the governemnt. This voice was only given to them 70 years or one life time before women. What did women sacrifice for the vote? Nothing. They recieved the privledge without the responsibility attached to it. When women where abused by there husbands it was
common practice to publicly flog them (actual incident of this occured in the early fifties to a man due to the law still being on the books) yet a man who was beaten by his wife or henpecked (called this to trivialise his abuse) was publicly humiliated, usually by being placed on a wagon or the back of a donkey and led through the streets as people would throw rocks manure or anything else they could get there hands on at him. The only crimes women where ever convicted of was murder or infidelity otherwise there crimes where placed in terms that would suggest it to be accidental or that she didn't know any better or any thing else that would remove responsibility (Andrea Yeates killing her eight children comes to mind as well as a woman who killed her two children and claimed it was due to post partum depression despite not being pregnant, it worked). There is a lot of reasons why feminism is a terrible thing. It is misleading and abusive.
Femisms is useless now a days but I don't think it has destroyed marriage
agreed. no need to marry when you will lose everything if she cheats and 53% of all marriages fail.
not a great stat.
"Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women’s movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage." Sheila Cronin, the leader of the feminist organization NOW
I did say feminism is useless by the way and It HAS participated but it's not the SOLE reason why marriage is destroyed.
Hahahaha! And the bitchery ensues.
I always find it hilarious how much of a backlash there is whenever someone acknowledges the truth.
It's their emotional response to being told that more then likely they will not get married.
I don't mean to be mean, I just wanted to state the truth.
Because feminism just applies to the west right? Forget the women in other countries that don't have rights and are child brides, beaten, dont have the opportunity to get an education right, etc?
He obviously is talking about feminists in the west though. Obviously education for women and equal rights should be a thing, we just shouldn't be so biased towards women like western feminists want so badly.
The solution to one form of irrationality is not another form of irrationality. The solution to Islam, for example, is not feminism any more than it is Christianity. And, by the way, those countries also hugely violate the rights of men and boys.
This has nothing to do with women in other countries. Those are CLEAR human right's violations.
And, why is it feminism? Why isn't it egalitarianism? It's simple human rights, but we make it about females. Isn't that kind of thinking clearly unequal? Obviously, women are treated quite horribly in the middle east, so that should be the primary concern--of course. But, why is it feminism and not egalitarianism?
And, are you comparing woman suffrage in the middle east to the West? Is that what you are trying to say?
@Rawrzz because those things used to all be normal even in the usa. I would think the men who did it to them thought they were being egalitarian, since they owned everything.
You make no sense. Waste of time talking with you. Your comment is completely irrelevant to everything. Literally everything.
Bare with me, because this might be a little long
First of all, I can't express to you enough how much I hate generalizations. Anyone who calls them self a feminist and is seeking special treatment as a female, rather than equality is not a trues feminist. Do I like the concept of feminism? Of course. Are there problems in the feminist community and flaws in the movement? Yes, there is. Just like any other movement created for the advancement of one group. It sounds as if you are blaming Islam for the bad treatment of women in other countries. Islam does not teach people to belittle women or treat them like any less of a person. You are sadly mistaken. And no, feminism is not the solution. It is just a way to help by raising awareness. And no one is denying the fact that some countries also violate the rights of men and boys. But that is a separate issue and movement from feminism, which I wasn't discussing. But don't mistake that statement for me thinking that men's rights are irrelevant. Because I do care about men's rights. Why is it
feminism? Because women were given the short end of the stick for several hundred years. I like to think of feminism as a subsection of egalitarianism. Feminism is focused on gender equality, while egalitarianism is focused on equality for everyone. You basically are a feminist if you are an egalitarian (because you believe in gender equality), but a feminist is not necessarily an egalitarian. But a lot of people choose not to identify as a feminist because of the bad rep it has been given from the radical feminist or "white" feminist. The objective of feminism is to raise awareness. No one is taking away from the idea that men's rights matter, too. The fact that people are going out of their way to deny the importance of the issue shows that there is zero tolerance for the social issues that women face daily. Egalitarians can be just as silly as feminist. Instead of saying we need "less of this and more of that", how about we acknowledge that there needs to be more people willing to
fix what is wrong. Debating over who is better than who is pointless and makes you silly. And honestly, the whole label thing shouldn't matter. I am an ACTIVIST. It doesn't matter what you label yourself as at the end of the day, feminist or egalitarian, because those movements have one thing in common, EQUALITY. You are so concerned about labels when it doesn't matter.
No one even said anything about the middle east. You just made an assumption *check my comment*. And not once did I compare suffrage in the middle east to the west. I simply said feminism is important when there are other women in other countries struggling and that feminism isn't strictly aimed towards western women. I think you need to actually read my post, rather than be so quick to make assumptions, so you have a reason to argue with me about feminism
"there needs to be more people willing to fix what is wrong" that's what I meant. you can argue about labels all day, but that doesn't mean anyone's really fixing anything. @Rawrzz the men in the past were happy with how things were, so I meant that they wouldn't have any reason to not see themselves as being egalitarian, because they didn't see women or minorities as equal humans in the first place!
about sums it up, but has nothing to do with feminism
www.nairaland.com/.../2677685_fbimg1438061764379_jpegdb9a1f5a443bbf0e11caaab70ba84044
well, that link didn't work... nvm
"i have an idea lets blame feminism for all our problems"
"yeah thats a great idea"
hating women won't end sexism thats oppressing men just like how hating men won't end sexism opressing women hate won't end hate
Yes i love the part in my take where i said "i hate women all men hate women"
I'm only blaming feminism for the portion of women being unattractive little spoiled brats.
yes but there's a lot of things that contribute to the end of a marriage alcohol or drug problems, large ego, being condescending, trying to change your partner, disrespecting their family, etc
Those are emotional human unquantifiable factors.
What is quantifiable is the stat that 53% of marriages fail, If the man cheats he loses all his money and resources, If a women cheats he still loses all his resources and money. If both do nothing wrong but just want to dissolve the contract then he still loses all his money and resources.
These are things that men look at, these are facts. This is why i am saying that marriages will fall.
And feminism is to blame for this because these prejudice laws against men began in the 60's. It is feminists who protect women who cheat in a marriage and believe that they should be able to take their resources.
Even prenups are thrown out the window. Because they would say "she was stressed at the time when she signed it"
Do you see why marriage is more of a bad idea for men? I'm sure females have plenty of incentive including love, but males ONLY have love. It's nothing but a risk that can ruin a mans life.
okay dude believe what you want but remember that hate won't end hate
I only hate the ideology of feminism, because they hate men.
i am a feminist and i dont hate men because i realize hating men won't end sexism
This is feminism today, "air conditioning is sexist": www.inc.com/.../...r-cold-office-temperatures.html
www.youtube.com/watch
and you wonder why most men have a problem with you.
i dont see the logic in this. How can air be sexist? so by this logic winter is sexist? but winter is my favorite season... and no men dont have a problem with me. i very rarely have a problem with anybody really.
Well these are your feminists, and the people you stand up for. Feminists are first world children complaining about first world problems.
There is absolutely no reason for feminists to exist, but they do, and they do more harm then good.
Well every group has its radicals and its idiots and I stand for what I stand for. Like how in the Middle East women get acid poured on their faces for dressing immodestly
Here's a better Idea. . . Why don't we all blame men for all our problems. Oh wait!
Blaming men for all our problems won't solve anything
then why do it?
feminism is literally equality between the two sexes misandry is hatred towards men and misogyny is hatred towards women anybody calls themselves a "feminist" yet hates men are not feminists plain and simple dont make it more complicated then it has to be.
How can feminism be about the equality of the two sexes when the very name is "sexist".
The name is "femin"-"ism"
Femin means female, which is derived from the word "feminine"
And yet you want us to believe that you are for the both sexes? How stupid do you think we are?
Literally every feminist here has told you we DON'T blame all men for all our problems. Some men cause some of our problems, but many are simply societal.
Yes but we don't care about what feminists say anymore.
If we did we would probably be beating ourselves and apologizing for being born male.
i am sorry were you born stupid or were you dropped on your head as a baby? you know what dude? believe whatever the hell you want to believe I AM A FEMINIST MEANING I BELIEVE IN EQUALITY FOR BOTH SEXES I BELIEVE MEN ARE RAPED EVERYDAY AND ARE TOLD TO DEAL WITH IT AND NOT GIVEN THE ATTENTION AND CARE THEY NEED WHILE 97% OF CUSTODY RIGHTS GO TO WOMEN.
I WILL SAY THIS ONE MORE TIME TO MAKE SURE IT GETS THROUGH YOUR PEA SIZED BRAIN I AM A FEMINIST I AM NOT ABOUT TO LET YOU TELL ME WHAT I AM AND WHAT I AM NOT.
In scars from the lion king tone of voice, "i am surroundered by idiots"
My my. The anger when i said that we don't listen to you feminists.
I guess the femi-furher has spoken.
so i just another angry feminist because i my words through one ear and out the other probably because there is nothing in between to hold it in no i just have anger when i talk to idiots not feminists next time try plan D for dumbass
Why are you so mad that someone rejects and disagrees with you?
Calm down, and accept the fact that most males don't like feminists. Calling them names will not achieve anything.
I have openly told a lot of males that I am a feminist and no one has had a problem with it until I talked to you. Which is due to the fact that no I don't hate men. So you obviously need to get out more. Plus you either believe in equality or you don't meaning you are either a feminist, misogynist, or mysandranist. They is no "other" option available
Wow the authoritarian views you have is amazing.
You really need to examine the hubris you have acquired.
ok apparently i have acquired a hubris what am i doing that i am unaware of am i even typing this? i dont know since you seem to know so much about me
"Plus you either believe in equality or you don't meaning you are either a feminist, misogynist, or mysandranist. They is no "other" option available"- KAZ-2Y5
was i even born in a hospital? am i am listening to van halen right now? am i really 18 or 30? i dont know. you answer these since you know so much about me.
okay thank you? for copying and pasting what i already said i dont know what i would do without you.
"Plus you either believe in equality or you don't meaning you are either a feminist, misogynist, or mysandranist. They is no "other" option available"- KAZ-2Y5
I'll keep posting this until you wake up to the fact that you actually said that.
I'm just waiting for you to say that all men need to die.
thats stupid how will we reproduce plus i love my boyfriend. keep reposting to your hearts desire dumbfuck.
plus if i typed the damn thing i am aware i said it. you either believe in equality or you dont.
"Plus you either believe in equality or you don't meaning you are either a feminist, misogynist, or mysandranist. They is no "other" option available"- KAZ-2Y5"
I will keep reposting this everytime you reply.
to let everyone know that you said this. keep calling me names, it's taking you far.
ok as you can see everybody pays attention to my posts plus i am the queen of sass and give zero fucks
"Plus you either believe in equality or you don't meaning you are either a feminist, misogynist, or mysandranist. They is no "other" option available"- KAZ-2Y5"
"ok as you can see everybody pays attention to my posts plus i am the queen of sass" - KAZ-2Y5
Feminism^
i like how you define feminism even though you have no idea what it means. google it. google is a beautiful tool. yes i am the queen of sass get used to it.
"Plus you either believe in equality or you don't meaning you are either a feminist, misogynist, or mysandranist. They is no "other" option available"- KAZ-2Y5"
"ok as you can see everybody pays attention to my posts plus i am the queen of sass" - KAZ-2Y5
Just keep replying, this list just get's bigger and it's hilarious.
ok i have no life this gives me something to do.
Do you just try to make my list bigger? Is this all real or are you trolling?
I can't tell if you're really a feminist or just a trolling.
"Plus you either believe in equality or you don't meaning you are either a feminist, misogynist, or mysandranist. They is no "other" option available"- KAZ-2Y5"
"ok as you can see everybody pays attention to my posts plus i am the queen of sass" - KAZ-2Y5
"ok i have no life this gives me something to do" - KAZ-2Y5
seriously, are you trolling?
no i am really a feminist i thought you got it the first time but i have obviously assumed you were more intelligent than you really are. My mistake. i will say it again i believe in equality. dont care if you are white, black, hispanic, gay, straight, transexual, or have purple skin everyone deserves equality.
what is equality for you? what are the principles? the word "equal" is a mathematical term.
Unless you are thinking that humans are no more than numbers?
"Plus you either believe in equality or you don't meaning you are either a feminist, misogynist, or mysandranist. They is no "other" option available"- KAZ-2Y5"
"ok as you can see everybody pays attention to my posts plus i am the queen of sass" - KAZ-2Y5
"ok i have no life this gives me something to do" - KAZ-2Y5
you can call me an egalitarianist since the root word femin offends you equality for me is equal status, rights and opportunities does not matter if you are straight, LGBT, what your gender, nationality, or skin color is.
What rights and opportunities?
Are you trying to say that the root of egalitarianism is feminist? or that i am offended by the word femin?
Cause either way is a false statement.
I'm loving your social justice warrior tendencies of authoritarian views.
"Plus you either believe in equality or you don't meaning you are either a feminist, misogynist, or mysandranist. They is no "other" option available"- KAZ-2Y5"
"ok as you can see everybody pays attention to my posts plus i am the queen of sass" - KAZ-2Y5
"ok i have no life this gives me something to do" - KAZ-2Y5
i am loving your asshole attitude i am not about to have an argument with an idiot you are dragging me dwon to your level and will beat me with experience you are obviously offended by the femin since you called it sexist. must i repeat what you already said back to you?
@Take Owner how did feminism cause you to suffer? what did it make happen that forced you to suffer?
he just wants a reason to blame his personal failures in life on someone else to make himself feel better. I see pathetic "men" like this all the time. They use feminists are a scapegoat so they don't have to come to terms with their own shortcomings and failures. It's truly pathetic.
agreed ^^^^^^^^
You should just re-name this take "I REALLY fucking hate women, and here is why I think they should suffer" because we all know what kind of person you are, no need to feign any sort of logic. What a loser.
Indeed.
i love how guys blam EVERYTHING on feminism, periods, friend zones
"man such a hot weather!"
"it's always like that in the friendzone"
and yea women get less the sentence for the same crime, men get paid more for the same job
never blamed period or friend zones.
just feminism.
And that stat is complete bullshit, it is illegal to discriminate against women to not pay them less for the same job in the same company.
Any economist would laugh at the figure since it doesn't account for pregnancy, females choosing to be mothers, females working less then men on average and all those other things.
What that stat did is just gave an average for ALL women and ALL men.
And you're vile if you actually believe in males getting longer sentences then females.
And you wonder why less and less of us are available in relationships and marriage when makes statements like "and yea women get less the sentence for the same crime, men get paid more for the same job"
what about males suffering 93% of all work place related deaths when they are 53% of the workforce?
Get out of here with your bullshit oppression lies. you western females are the most privileged creatures on the planet.
"Females get shorter sentences for the same exact crime than males. "
direct "vile" quote
right from your "vile" take
less and less males are not available for marriage because there are cheap #$!@#$!@#% who give it up too easily, men just choose to sleep around because a lot of them can't handle comitment
where is your proof of these stats?
and i seriously doubt that feminism or women killed those men so yea...
hahahahahahaha awww poor little victim you
There are more females in america then there are males: https://www.geohive.com/earth/pop_gender.aspx
you will see that males are at 153,139,563 and females at 157,244,385.
Now account for the fact that men commit 4 times (i made a mistake because i said it was 3) more suicide then females www.bloombergview.com/.../why-do-more-men-commit-suicide
females get shorter sentences for the same crime: www.huffingtonpost.com/.../...r-gap_n_1874742.html
I never said that these women are killing these men, please stop accusing me of things i never said when you can simply scroll up. I am saying that already the playing field for you is competitive, and feminism is only destroying that.
You maybe angry all you want but that doesn't change the fact that more than likely since you are a feminist you will not find a man.
oh and your false stat about woman getting paid less for the same job being proven wrong... by feminists :www.huffingtonpost.com/.../wage-gap_b_2073804.html
I also forgot to mention the fact that men die about 10 years earlier and are more likely to get sick.
add that to the suicide rate, prison rate, and men just not wanting to get married due to marriage being a way of losing all your money and maybe even children even if you are the wronged party.
But please explain your logic about why you believe that men should get longer sentences for the same crime?
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
IM the angry one here? xD
lmao im out
wow I just read through all of this, complete and utter non sense.. Anon, I can vouch that in all my years of knowing plenty of men, we are all still looking for women to marry... Not sure what dark corners of the internet troll lair this guy comes form, but I highly doubt millions upon millions of men no longer want to date or marry women... just the kids who have been spurned.
oh silly neckbeard beta male feminist.
If you want to get married into a institution that gives females no accountability of responsibility or anything then go ahead.
But most men are logical enough to look at that and say to themselves "why the fuck would i marry?"
Hell even prenups get thrown out of court because they would just say "she was stressed at the time of signing"
enough with your male feminism, and just letting you know just because you are white knighting for these females doesn't mean they will sleep with you.
away McIntosh.
@ccp16
lol thanks ^_^
i really hope that guy is a troll haha
i dont really like having discussions with people blinded by anger like that... like im willing to talk things over but what's the point ifthe other party is just gonna be screaming in rage ya know lol
and nevermind the stuff he called you
you're good (y)
Even if men were paid more for the same work, the fact is, you do not have the right to someone else's money. Stop being so entitled!
Do you get paid less for the job you do than your male counterpart? I'm honestly asking.
And, if you truly want equality, then why be a feminist instead of an egalitarian? Aren't you focusing on women? Do you care about men at all?
im a student actually (and im not american)
men already have their rights, women are the ones who had to fight for it since before our grandmothers were even born
Wrong, women were the most privileged creatures on the planet.
Men would go out to hard and deadly jobs while females would stay at home with the kids, and it was expected of men to sacrifice like this to their wives. It was men who were drafted or forced to go into war throughout history, and they were the ones who died.
Even in the titanic, do you remember the saying "Women and children first" ?
Ohh the oppression
yea yea yea.. blah blah
The essence of feminism^
if that's what you wanna believe
"Yeah yeah bla bla bla." That's the kind of response you get when you talk about male rights.
If women were oppressed for millennia--which is the foundation of feminism--then women were the only group of people unable to ever rise up against their oppressors. Is there a better argument for women's innate inferiority? If you are a feminist, that is what you claim. That women are weak, stupid, and oppressed. THAT is why I'm not a feminist.
Gotta love MRAs vs Feminists debates...
It's not really a debate, when one side is pointing guns. It's not a debate whether I, for example, hand over my money to feminist causes. I am forced to, and the feminists don't even have the guts to do it themselves.
Feminist don't want to be with people like you and people like you don't want to be with feminist so what's the point in all of this? All these takes on feminism are getting old.
Build your on city fulll of feminist. Why leech on men?
I'm assuming then you want the "male feminist"?
Go right at them.
But the men that you do want, are not going to date a feminist unless they are a masochists.
Feminists are more than happy to take money by force from the rest of us.
Feminists, go and live by yourselves. Stop leeching off us. Then we will stop talking about feminism.
I'd happily live in a Feminist utopia, no little bitchy man babies to contend with. good riddance!
You are the exact reason why men can ever talk about ther issues. Pulling the old "These takes on feminism are getting old" trick I see.
Your probably the same woman who gets in a relationship with a man and after several months you complain to your girlfriends that he doesn't talk to you anymore. News flash: Men have thoughts and feelings as well. The problem is women never want to listen to us.
You're off the 'market'? Damn that's such a blow!!! You sound like a barrel of laughs
not just me but million of men don't want anything to do with women.
you can be alittle cunt about it, but it doesn't change the fact that you will not be married.
Who are these millions of men you speak of? I see absolutely no shortage of men looking for a girl to marry from where I'm standing. You're deluded
look up MGTOW
or any anti feminist video and you'll see them
just because they don't make themselves herd by screaming like feminists doesn't mean they are not there.
and you are lying. maybe on the internet you may see them, but you as a feminist will not get married.
every man i know, that i have ever met is repulsed by feminists even ex feminists are to be avoided.
I'm the man here, your the angry female that feels challenged when she hears the truth.
i will promise you that you will not get married, and if you do; it will not be the man that you wished for.
what man would go into marriage, knowing that if you cheated then you can take all his fortune and never allow him to see his children?
the delusional one here, is the female that thinks males are excited to get into marriage where they will have everything taken from them if the woman feels like it.
I'm actually engaged. The joke is on you my friend. Bitterness ain't cute
no you're not.
everyone who will read this will roll their eyes.
no need to lie to look cool :)
i'm not bitter or anything, i'm just letting females know that they will not all marry and if they want to, they will have to compete cause there are less men then women, more men in america and Europe are going to foreign countries to find wives.
And you are a feminist. no man on earth would ever touch a feminist
so if there are less men then woman, more and more men are choosing not to be in relationships... you are not seeing the problem here?:)
Awkward when I'm not lying. My fiancé also believes in equality so why wouldn't he touch me on that basis?
Becuase two tings
A) you are a feminist. We men avoid feminists like the plaque.
B) If a man gets married then the woman cheats on him, he will have to pay money to her in the divorce, he will lose everything including his children. and 53% of all marriages fail, so why on earth when looking at that would a man want to do that?
I'm sure a relationship would do, but marriage is just not worth it anymore, there is a 53% that we will lose everything.
there is no "equality" in that.
53% chance*
Don't speak on behalf of 'most' men when you haven't the faintest clue what you're talking about
you are a feminst.
you hate men.
53% of all marriages FAIL. all men lose everything in marriage
men have been through divorce with their parents and saw how the mother took everything
every male i have known, and i've known plenty and including my college says the same thing.
"wtf is the point if she cheats and we lose everything"
if you honestly believe that when we look at marriage that we think we want that. then you little liar, who is obviously not engaged has a rude awakening
face it, you will not find a man, especially because you are a feminist.
you can get angry and call me names, and do whatever. but it's a fact, men look at the stats and the result of divorce and they see that it is against them. no reason to do it, when you can just have a relationship or hookers (hookers are cheaper then wives)
face it, soon you will be replaced.
the only bitter one is see is the female trying to tell a male what other males think.
keep getting salty cause you're about to reach dead sea level salt.
I don't hate men. I <3 men. I just hate men like you who have a superiority complex. My marriage won't end in divorce so he has nothing to worry about
you are a feminist, more than likely you owned a "male tears" cup which also mean "sperm" in japan.
more than likely you used the hashtag "#killallmen" or "#castrateallmen"
I have NEVER met a man who doesn't avoid feminists.
don't attempt to lie otherwise, we really do hate you feminists. seriously google it, and you will find nothing but males watching anti-feminist videos
53% of all marriages fail. that is the number you have to compete with. if let's say that you are actually engaged, then that means your man would have to know that 53% of all marriages fail, and that if you cheat or decide to leave him because you are bored then he will have everything taken away from him. this is LAW.
so good luck with knowing all of that, and good luck with knowing that there are less males then females and millions and i mean MILLIONS of men are waking up and asking themselves "Wtf" and "whats the point of marriage aside from stealing my money legally"?
You're so dumb this is fun
okay :)
call me names, but i am stating facts.
less men exist, and more and more men don't want marriage.
that's a fact.
are you going to argue against the fact that men look at the stats and their personal experience in drove of their parents and decide to not marry?
good luck with your mental gymnastics.
divorce* not drove
This is bs. Not facf
There's a difference between feminism and femiNAZISM. Know it!
You mean between equality and feminism?