Should we really have a plus-size Disney princess now?

[techno]

Like a lot of kids, I grew up with those beautiful Disney princesses, from Snow White and Cinderella to Ariel and Belle.

I also grew up with Barbie and yet, I'm not some image-obsessed female who wants to kill herself because she isn't a size 0. :P

I think it's dumb to have a plus-size Disney princess just because that's the trend now. I don't fat-shame or anything but... really? Loey Lane seems to think it's a good idea.

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I don't know, what does everyone else think?

Yes, it's about damn time!

No, this is stupid.

I really don't care.

[dangerDoge]

No, most definitely not.
I hear very often people make statements like "Barbie/disney princesses give us unrealistic standards to go by, given their thinness, hip shape, and proportions." That very well may be true to an extent... But having a 'plus size' (or unhealthily heavy) princess is a just-as-bad idea because it promotes the exact opposite side of the spectrum. It is a sort of fat acceptance.

Even if most of the US was plus size, we shouldn't have a princess or whatever be plus size. People shouldn't aspire to be a meh average, people should aspire to be better than an average. The symbols we use (to motivate people), not limited to disney princesses, should therefore be healthy ideals. Realistic, yes, but still ideals. A symbol for the ideal should be something we can give ourselves a goal with, not necessarily something to appease our self interest and confirm that we can continue not putting effort in.

I understand overweight people wanting a symbol to relate to... But having good self esteem is not going to matter to your body much/heart. Being fat is not an ok item for society to simply accept. Now, we shouldn't shame people for being fat, but we shouldn't certainly give any reason whatsoever to be fat. We should encourage as a society healthiness because, as members of the society, we want it to prosper. We should help their self esteem in other ways as best as we can.

*exaggerated side rant*
Fat acceptance is like if one was to promote alcoholism. Many people drink just fine, but some drink too much. But that doesn't mean we should say "hey, it's alright if you drink too much" to spare the feelings of an alcoholic who feels bad for their actions. Then more people would care less about becoming alcoholics. We should rather encourage people and say "hey, you can quit. We as a society can help you out as well."

[CHARismatic110]

The first time I've ever been offended by something you've said. Never thought I'd see the day.

[FinnishBeautyGirl]

@CHARismatic110 I didn't see that coming either, now I feel fat as f...

[dangerDoge]

@CHARismatic110 Yeaaaah 😅 It may have been an excessive, but I didn't know how else to say some of it. It's an opinion, I could be right, could be wrong. Heck, I could be completely deluded at some points, I could be right.
However, it's simply an opinion, and I am therefore willing to talk about it if you'd like. I am glad to accept opposition with reasoning-- helps me become more informed of both sides.

[CHARismatic110]

@FinnishBeautyGirl it's ok. He's very much entitled to his opinion. And you aren't fat anyway, so no worries.

[aWes0MeNeSs]

I completely agree with this.

[dangerDoge]

@FinnishBeautyGirl Omg whyyy. I am open to discussion, just tell me what all I said wrong 😱

[dangerDoge]

@FinnishBeautyGirl And I also second what char said. You aren't fat! So don't feel fat as f!

[FinnishBeautyGirl]

@CHARismatic110 I'm 130 lbs, 5'5, 15 y/o girl who pretty much looks like this in bikini
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[FinnishBeautyGirl]

And that is not me

[CHARismatic110]

I just don't like the term fat acceptance. I prefer body acceptance. And the analogy to being an alcoholic rubbed me the wrong way.

[CHARismatic110]

@FinnishBeautyGirl she isn't fat to me tho babe

[FinnishBeautyGirl]

@CHARismatic110 I'm not claiming that she's fat, but I just can't stop thinking negatively about myself

[CHARismatic110]

@FinnishBeautyGirl I get it. 100%. Come talk to me if you need to. ❤

[Swedgirl]

I understand your view, and I agree somewhat. But, having one, two maybe three plus size princesses isn't going to promote being fat. I don't think it's fat acceptance when the rest of the princesses (10? 20? more?) are all super skinny. I think the best thing would be to have princesses in different sizes, cause that's what reality looks like. That would send out a message that people are different but equally princess-like.

[dangerDoge]

@CHARismatic110 As for the term fat acceptance, I just used it more so since that is the term I am familiar with.
And, as for the drinking analogy, I was hoping that by putting the "*exaggerated side rant*" it would help separate it a bit from the rest of the points made. 😅 Although perhaps imperfect/exaggerated, I hope at least the underlying point I was trying to make came through clear.

[CHARismatic110]

No, I got it. I know you on kind of a personal level so I know you weren't trying to be malicious or anything.

[RainbowFanGirl]

But what if they have a disorder or something?

[dangerDoge]

@Swedgirl Hmm, I would argue that Disney should have perhaps more realistic princesses in the sense of hip shape/proportions (granted it is a cartoon, so how realistic can it get-- their eyes are huge?). I also dig the diversity in terms of races since there is no one ideal race.
However, I would argue that Disney princesses are not meant to be the reality/statistics of weight. Rather, they are more so symbols of a dream or an ideal. They are objects to strive for.

As for the first point, I would argue (without trying to get myself into a slippery slope fallacy) that one/two/three opens the door for more. From that, even just one can lead as a symbol for fat promotion.
So from that, I can get behind making a disney princess skinny but slightly more realistic in terms of hip proportions. But I can't get behind trying to show reality via plus-size. I think it would send out a bad message.

[dangerDoge]

@RainbowFanGirl Could I ask you to clarify a bit?
Like referring to the princess? As in giving the princess a disorder?

Or are you referring to something along the lines of encouraging people who are struggling with weight loss due to a disorder at some point?
I think I understand, but just trying to make sure.

[Swedgirl]

Yes, these princesses are suppose to be a vision/dream/ideal. They can also help adjust the sick super skinny ideal that society has been building up. It's "our" (Disney's) chance to create those ideals from scratch!

I don't know if we mean the same kind of plus size lol. I don't even know what the term "plus size" means anymore, because it's a really diffus term. I wouldt approve the plus size as in super overweight/obese. Maybe just point out that a female body can look different, someone is pear shaped, apple shaped etc. More realistic in terms of hip proportions, as you said. Not the barbie kind of figure. I think we agree on that..

[dangerDoge]

@Swedgirl Yeah, I should try and clarify. When I said "making a princess skinny," I meant like a depiction of a healthily skinny person-- not underweight (that'd lead to the same issues I have with plus size princesses but reversed). As for plus size, I was thinking more so it being a more PC way of saying unhealthily overweight... With unhealthily overweight including (but not limited to) mordibidly obese.

And yeah, we can agree on that much at the end :)

[rjroy3]

Average weight for girls range between 110-140 as far as health is concerned. Just a heads up for people freaking out over what he said. He's talking about obesity. Not a girl that's average weight, but by no means considered skinny.

[Swedgirl]

Alright then now I understand, I misunderstood it at first :) all cool👍🏼

[outie40]

First why is Mr. AleDEEurope saying that she is Fat. Give me a break on that comment. Not everybody is going to be the super model and that is a fact of life. Here is something. At the end of the day we have to be able to look at ourselves in the mirror and be happy with that person. With the good and bad. What is wrong with showing the kids that a prince or a princess can be any shape or size. It is to show them that beauty is only skin deep. It is to shown them what makes that person on the inside matters more. Character over looks.

Yeah it's nice to have the expense clothes and the perfect smile and be the perfect weight, and hight. But if you don't love yourself then that is only superfical happiness.

Learn to be happy with what God made you. Not an easy thing. This comes from a person who is 4'10" and I'm 41 year old male. I get what it's like to be picked on for being short. For girls its cute and adorable to be short. As a male it's looked down apon as a sign of weakness.

LET THE KIDS LEARN TO BE KIDS. If showing the kids that PRINCESS CAN come in all different sizes works then what is it going to hurt. I'm not worried about it in the long run.

[Anonymous]

It doesn't matter what it is as long as a princess is healthy, confident, and can overcome some kind is struggle. Kids pick up on things and even if a princess isn't exactly like them- they can definitely relate to a princess that is overcoming an obstacle like self love or acceptance. Just give kids the tools they need to be great. I wouldn't say having a plus sized princess is necessary. I'de love to see a princess with a big booty and small boobs like me cause it would just be cool but the princess shouldn't be overweight or obese- but curvy would be really cool to see. I've always wanted a short princess (as a child I didn't really care about that in a princess. I never really had any idols or role models idky.) if I could build my own princess she would be

Short- 5 feet tall.
Got some booty but a smaller chest
Darker skin maybe olive or dark olive
Big hair- black/brown and textured
Hazel/green eyes
Strong ass eyebrows
she had a very original style, always trying new things and could pull off anything she had her mind set on
Half Caribbean half European
Raised in a poor household- found creative alternatives to things she missed out on
Often grew up used to being the outsider or alone.
She is the most understanding girl and has a really great ability to wrap her mind around unique concepts despite never doing amazing in school, her mind didn't learn the same way others did.
She can definitely be one to hold a grudge and hold things against you that you had done previously.
Doesn't share herself with people and has a hard time communicating which is partially why she excels in drawing, painting, and just creating.
Makes her dreams and concepts in her mind a reality
Her motto is "why critisize something you don't understand"
Underapreciated
Very very strong

[BuchitaBuchys]

*CAUTION, CONTROVERSIAL OPINION. PROCEED WITH CAUTION AS MOST PEOPLE HERE ADAMANT TO NOT BE INCLUSIVE.*

That said, I think yes, it's about damn time.

Here are my points if y'all are really going to go crazy over it:
1. If people say "skinny models don't promote anorexia", what sense does it make to claim that plus size would promote obesity?
2. Plus size=\=obese. It can be obese, but not always.
3. It's about time for diversity. I know most people don't give a shit about it, why would y'all?, but it IS important to see your demographic to be represented in a manner that isn't always as the "villain" or for comedic relief, or even (for us Latinos) other than the help, etc.
We've been existing for years and it honestly bothers me more that people are upset at the fact that we *have* to demand for representation of us (I'm not plus size, but I'm referring to demographics that are historically or represented as cliche), then the fact that we aren't represented or that we are often given the crappy or less important roles and told to be "grateful we're even included".
*Eyeroll*

I know many people will disagree, but whatever. It's 2016, you can't hide the fact that we exist any longer, and we're more than just comedic relief, thugs, brainy math kids, or maids.

This doesn't even look terrible as people imagine:
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[vampivy23]

Ah, of course it's alright to photoshop a skinny princess to be fat, but the moment someone does it the other way round, it's an issue. OK.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@vampivy23 They're fake either way lol

I only used that as there's no chubby princess to use

[RJGraveyTrain]

Honestly, I'm a touch indifferent, but if I could offer a thought:

No one had an issue with the unrealistically thin Disney Princesses, for good reasons. They were cartoons, and it was a particular style. Of course, some people still have an issue with it, but when it comes down to it, one could effortlessly argue: your kids don't have to watch anything that you don't allow them to. And of course, parents or prospective parents hold the primary responsibility of teaching their children what a healthy body is all about, it isn't Disney's job.

So, what's the big deal if there IS a plus sized Disney Princess? The very same argument could be used in this instance. It's just a cartoon, and it's up to other sources to teach kids what is or isn't healthy. This whole "hide the fat people" concept in the media to me is silly, because unhealthy standards have been around forever and have been portrayed for ages without half as much issue as the plus sized community seems to get.

All in all, if you don't like it, don't support it, but I don't see what the big deal is.

[DizzySB]

I've noticed something, Snow White is the only chubby looking Disney Princess, if you compare her to Princess Jasmine, Aurora, etc you'll see what I'm talking about.

I think she is chubby looking because she was made in 1937, and the women in that era weren't exactly very slim women, so I think Disney was trying to make her what the societies idea of what a perfect body shape of the 1930s was.

I beleive as time went on, Disney started portraying the image of what was an acceptable and highly praised body shape in their cartoons. I'm not saying being plus size isn't acceptable, what I'm saying is that being slim is more acceptable in today's society.

Nowadays, the ideal woman is slim and tall and that's what Disney has been giving us as Disney Princesses. I don't really care if they make a plus size Princess, it'll still be a good movie but I do think there's a need to.

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[DizzySB]

*I don't think there's a need to.

[justbanANNAz]

i can understand the perspective. i dont c why it should be a big deal though, just like the whole jazz with elsa and anna. if we end up seeing a plus size prices, awesome! so what? she'll look cute af, just like the slimmer ones do.
so what if 2 princesses happen to be sisters, and there's no prince in the end?
so what if not all the princesses are blonde with blue eyes? u know?

diversity will come. disney ain't gonna die anytime soon, and we are BOUND to see some different characters coming through. it's just a matter of time :)

[MaLifeBeLikeOooAaah]

Why is it such a big deal honestly, people these days

[justbanANNAz]

@MaLifeBeLikeOooAaah seriously! -.-

[ejx629]

What's with all the downvotes?

[justbanANNAz]

@ejx629 dont know, dont care.😊

[Mustachekitteh]

So we want to get in little kids heads that having a big amount of unhealthy body fat % is a good thing?

Plus any kids that use a cartoon as a realistic way to compare their body too. Those kids are full out unintelligent and their parents need to do a better job of telling them what to base their real life off of.

[LittleSally]

Well.. surely someone who might profit from it wants it to happen...

I don't really care either way.

[RainbowFanGirl]

Incoming "encouraging obesity" and "fat acceptance" comments.

[Sarahbear97]

Alright, instead of commenting on 30 billion comments, I'll just say it here. A plus size princess would NOT promote obesity. According to the American fashion industry, plus size, is anything above a size 10. A size 10 woman is usually below average in weight. The average American woman is a size 14. Now before we say this is big, I'll give you a size comparison. Maralyn Monroe was a size 14. Now, the standard measurement for a size 14 had decreased over the years, so, today, she would probably wear something like a 16 or 18. Think about that for a minute. It's Maralyn Monroe, obese? Far from it actually. So, by plus size, one can assume something between a size 12 and a size 16 princess would be a healthy athletic body type to show young children. Heck, she should be a warrior type princess. A strong athletic build, something that you actually want a little girl to look at and say, "Wow, she's gorgeous! I want to look just like her!" So, she grows up thinking, I should be healthy, and strong, and know how to defend myself, not, I need to loose weight so I can be pretty like the Disney princesses. So, how about that? A princess that is plus size by number, but healthy by actually looking at her, that kicks butt and saves the day.

[IZZIRO]

You know what? I am sick of all the people that say:"Hey, there's no problem if she is fat, or she is fat or she is fat" but you know what? it fucking is!!! it's a big problem in the big scale. Every single person on this planet should strive for better, but no, you just change your idols from let's say Merlin Monroe to this fucking whale who just goes to the chicken eat all the crap she can find put some makeup on and then she says:"Hey am beautiful." Wtf I mean, this is outrageous, how she dares to compare with someone who strive for a better life, for bigger life expectancy at least. If you can observe here, most of the people who said yes, I'm ok with that are woman, because more and more women become lazy and want to be accepted as the whale that is easier to become. People like you ruined my cousin, she is becoming fatter and fatter, and she is comparing herself with Yanita Yancheva or other fitness stars. I mean come one a cow like this can't be attractive for anyone? She may have a beautiful character, but in that case, you should idolize her character not her body.

[JRICHARDS1996]

Absolutely. Once Larry the Cable Guy and Michael Moore are photographed shirtless for Cosmopolitan and given the leading role in a film like "Titanic" opposed to Leo or Gosling.

Not much fun anymore is it? When that same "equality" you value so much means altering your media as well. Women cannot have their cake and eat it too. If men have to redefine their tastes to accommodate fat women, then it follows that women have to redefine their tastes as well to accommodate fat men like the aforementioned examples.

If you deny this, then you are not truly about "equality" but rather about bullying men into accepting a standard that you would otherwise never accept yourself.

Your move feminists.

Larry the Cable Guy and Michael Moore are waiting.

I'm sure the Cosmo readers are dying to know the details about their sex lives. I'm sure the lovely ladies of GAG are dying to see them shirtless in the next flagship romance film.

What are you waiting for?

Equality is equality.

[Anonymous]

Literally one of the most unnecessary and dumbest things I've ever come across.

I will use as much politically incorrect language as I want to.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FAT PEOPLE AND FIT PEOPLE IS THAT one takes effort and strength to do which you need in life, which is the drive in keeping us alive. The other just takes laziness and bullshit indulgence in pleasure such as over eating which is what gets you nowhere but a low position in life. Lazy people who just want an easy way out without people judging them make me SICK.

HAVING A PLUS SIZED DISNEY PRINCESS HEAVILY UNDERMINES FIT AND HEALTHY PEOPLE. Sooner or later, people will start accepting the fact that being a fatty is good, hence being unhealthy and close to death would be considered good which is a problem.

DISNEY CHARACTERS PLAY A SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN BEING A ROLE MODEL TO MANY CHILDREN. If a child were to be indoctrinated that being fat is good, then MANY children will grow up to be unhealthy, lazy and fat people.

HUMANS NATURALLY VIEW FAT AS UNATTRACTIVE AND FIT AS ATTRACTIVE. Being fit is healthy, therefore it leads to better living/survival which is why people instinctively want to have healthy partners for better offsprings.

It's harsh. But people need to know the truth. The ruthless world has no space for sugar coated bullshit.

[Opinion Owner]

And who the fuck would have a chubby ass fat prince who can't even bend down to tie his shoe laces?

this is sickening.

If you are fat, downvote and comment your hate.

[meowcow]

A plus-sized princess is NOT ok.

The body of the current princesses are unattainable body proportions and are often criticized by skinny shamers. How is it logical to pull a 180 on the opposite end of the spectrum and have a plus-sized princess, which represents an unhealthy lifestyle of overeating and lack of exercise?

A healthy body size/shape of a princess would be much better. Having an obese princess serves the interest of nobody, and I doubt the public would actually be stupid enough to buy into it.

[lumos]

I don't see how character diversity "promotes" obesity. Not everyone is skinny so it makes sense to have bigger characters, even in the main roles. I don't see why y'all are getting your panties in a twist over the idea of a different character having the main role.

[Accipiter]

What makes diversity so important?

[lumos]

@Accipiter the fact that we as humans are a very diverse group and it would make for an accurate representation?

[CHARismatic110]

This

[lumos]

@CHARismatic110 if Anna's and Elsa's heads are bigger than their waist and that apparently doesn't promote anorexia, then surely a bigger character wouldn't promote obesity... some people's logic.

[CHARismatic110]

Seriously! These princesses can hula hoop with cheerios but people are worried about a princess with love handles?

[lumos]

@CHARismatic110 egad! Inconceivable!

[RainbowFanGirl]

This 100%. People are so freaking stupid. They act like a little girl is gonna see a chubbier Disney princess and be like, "Oh! I wanna be fat too!" No. That's not what's gonna happen. It pisses me off. They're just afraid of change.

[lumos]

@RainbowFanGirl skinny white people lol

[BuchitaBuchys]

@Accipiter because it shows that we exist. I'm not plus size, but I am Latino and it gets old and tired to see you portrayed constantly as a spicy caliente maid or something.

Plus size are usually portrayed as a villain (penguin in Batman, Ursula in little Mermaid, Eggman in Sonic, etc) or as goofy side characters.

It's 2016. Other people exist. Before, we happily settled for any representation, but that time is up now. Sorry if it disrupts the status quo and makes people uncomfortable.

[bryon]

idont see one damn thing wrong in it. Big girls took all of societies trash for a lot of years , they were belittled and called all manner of names by stick figures that looked like a zipper if they turned sideways and stuck out their tongue. Skeletons with skin stretched over them. Now that they have their time in the sun it's just freaking y'all out. Get a fecking life and while your at it get a real one cuz this one is fake as feck

[bryon]

@Song4TheBroken boy I mean boy didn't I touch a nerve with you

[TakeMaker]

@Song4TheBroken no one was talking to you wither cupcake, but you waded in regardless didn't you?

[TakeMaker]

*either

[Song4TheBroken]

@TakeMaker And the opinion owner wasn't being rude towards skinny girls?

[TakeMaker]

@Song4TheBroken no, he was describing malnourished humans. Do you think people who look like skeletons with skin stretched over them are a healthy thing to portray?

[bryon]

@TakeMaker in my opinion no it is not , no more than demoralizing and belittling a big girl would be a positive motivator to help them loose weight

[bryon]

@Song4TheBroken it's a no brainier that there are extremes that go both ways. I would no more berate an over weight woman any more than I would an anorexic woman , I would just find it easier to look at one that carries the extra weigh that's all

[TakeMaker]

@Song4TheBroken Are you actually thick? Does it make it easier for you to win an argument if you make up things I said?

I guess you're just one of these mentally challenged men who feels the needs to attack anyone who doesn't support FHM's view of life, the universe and everything. Because if I think like that I don't have to actually address any real issues you might have, I can just dismiss you as a fucking moron who has less intelligence than the spunk stain he grew from.

[Song4TheBroken]

So why did you literally just berate skinny girls in your comment?

[Song4TheBroken]

@TakeMaker LMAO nice ad hominem. FYI I like curvy girls with meat on them, I'm not into those thin FHM models with no booty. But curvy means curvy and fat means fat. People like YOU are just plain unhealthy. If you just control how much food you stuff into your mouth you wouldn't have such hatred towards girls who aren't fat.

[bryon]

@Song4TheBroken I have my preferences just like anyone else , but you can rest assured of one thing I have never nor will I ever justify my idea of what please me or what I view as pretty to you or anyone else. So your more than welcome to run your drool dripper all you wish , but know it won't change one thing about how I feel or react. Have a nice day

[TakeMaker]

@Song4TheBroken you missed the entire fucking point sweetheart, and then tried to attack me after complaining about being attacked... real clever.

[bryon]

@TakeMaker Thank you.

[TakeMaker]

@Song4TheBroken and you already started with the personal attacks by calling me an old bitch, seems you really aren't a clever cookie at all.

[Song4TheBroken]

Nobody was asking you to justify your preference for fat women. I asked you why you complained about people shaming fat girls, then started shaming skinny girls. Do you understand basic English?

Are you gonna try and justify THAT or just admit you're a massive hypocrite.

[Song4TheBroken]

@TakeMaker Do you even know what ad hominem means? It's when you attack someone with personal insults instead of addressing whatever argument they're making. In my initial reply to you, you weren't making any sort of argument or point, you just told me to shut up. Therefore, there was no ad hominem.

And yeah, I attacked you after you attacked me... but what's your point?

[bryon]

@Song4TheBroken my definition of hipocritical obviously differes from yours. You persist ably use the slang fat tether than heavy along with some other more feck tarted terms that are nothing more than cheap shots at big girls , but your holyier than thou attitude has a hint of liberalism to it , if it doesn't fit your narrative it's wrong

[TakeMaker]

@Song4TheBroken my point is you start with personal attacks, then try and take some moral high ground after ASSUMING I attacked you, but what you're too fucking dense to comprehend is that I wasn't attacking you personally... and then you go on to attack me personally again, so you're just a hypocrite. You totally missed the point, totally. You made up a load of shit about me so you could attack my view, because that makes it easier for you. I then used an example of how I could do the same but you're too simple to spot the subtly in it and the point I was trying to make.

[Song4TheBroken]

LMAO so it's a 'cheap shot' because I don't try to sugarcoat things by calling someone 'heavy' instead of fat? Is that all you have to say? You're not gonna explain why you think it's okay to body shame a skinny girl but not a fat girl?

Stop avoiding my question.

[Song4TheBroken]

@TakeMaker What the fuck are you talking about? I'm not assuming anything. You DID attack me first. You started the insults by calling me mentally challenged.

[TakeMaker]

@Song4TheBroken what question?

[TakeMaker]

@Song4TheBroken no, you insulted me first. It's there in writing sweetie, you can't deny it when it's written down.

What I did was give you an example of HOW I could assume bullshit about you JUST like you did about me.

[Song4TheBroken]

@TakeMaker I'm asking the opinion owner why he thinks it's okay to body shame skinny girls but not fat girls.

[Song4TheBroken]

Ohhhh god. Why the fuck have I spent so much time commenting on this hahaha

[TakeMaker]

@Song4TheBroken I don't know, just shut up and fuck off.

[mntwins66]

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[bryon]

@Song4TheBroken so what it comes too is I'm on trial and you can do what ever is that about the cut and dry of it

[Song4TheBroken]

@TakeMaker You've got quite a mean streak, haven't you? That's kind of hot... please insult me more?

[TakeMaker]

@Song4TheBroken you should have encountered me last week - I'm even meaner with PMT.

[Song4TheBroken]

@TakeMaker in that case... inbox me in three weeks darling ;)

[TakeMaker]

@Song4TheBroken I'll come back to you when I'm real angry sweetie :)

[Song4TheBroken]

@TakeMaker ooooh me gusta ;) ;)

[RainbowFanGirl]

Thank you! When I was overweight, people being assholes to me only made me bigger.

[bryon]

@RainbowFanGirl I honestly never understood how anyone could be so stupid as to thing crushing the soul of someone could make a good motivator. It's total lunacy

[Bloopy]

you here MVP

[bryon]

@Bloopy thank you for the kind words

[Rainie_]

No... I really don't know what is up with this past decade, demanding people and brands to please everybody, "lets make Elsa a lesbian, lets make a fat princess, lets make a ugly princess", disney is NOT a tool to teach kids to be okay with who they are, that is the parents job.

[jjesica346]

Lolololol

[nfigure]

>>>>>>"lets make a ugly princess"

LOL I know nobody has literally said this, but it's still so funny. xDDD

[1derweye]

For Christ's sake, how far can political correctness be blown out of proportion?
Evidently... more.
"I DEMAND AN EXPLANATION FOR THE LACK OF JEWISH-SAMOAN REPRESENTATION ON CARDIO-FITNESS SHOWS THAT FEATURE PORK-CHOP COOK-OFFS, YOU NETWORK-PROGRAMMING BASTARDS!"
Excluding minority communities. It's just plain wrong!

[DodgersGM]

Just out of curiosity...

If you were unharmed by anorexic, wildly disproportionate Barbie, what makes you think the plus-sized Disney princesses would harmful?

In a perfect world, the girl in your post could probably stand to lose a few pounds. She's still quite pretty, though.

[CHARismatic110]

I was thinking the same thing

[ak666]

Just wondering what the prince is supposed to look like. Maybe like this?

img.wondercostumes.com/.../...lus-size-costume.jpg

[ak666]

Maybe a little fatter than that, but something along these lines. Then it would make sense.

[ak666]

Maybe someone like this to match up properly with Loey Lane properly:
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... but naturally with a sharp-looking haircut and outfit.

[Bloopy]

he looks cute so why not?

[nalaa]

Not plus size, no, but how about normal sized? I mean with a waist bigger than their arm and not a lollipop head. Disney princesses are kinda out of control with how unrealistic they look
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We need to go back to more realistic figures like this
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[sjoes006]

No immit okay with this. We should have a normal healthy sized figure decided by nutritionists and physicabs maybe.

I'm for a size 4 instead of a 0 athletic type Barbie or Role Model. This would mean a figure with larger upper calves and quads who looks HOT everywhere else and tight high glutes. So basically other than the calves everything our darker sexier sisters seem to have in abundance that I work hard to get. Not to be sexy but it's what I needed to run proficiently and then be my best with yoga and a strong core.

There's nothing more important than a strong core when it comes to health and fitness.

It's extremely unhealthy to be overweight and if you are as a child and taught to accept it, it's just that much easier for you to slip into obesity as an adult. Girls don't need to be taught to be a twig but it is hard to enjoy life overweight.

If walking a mile is hard then life is hard and you are deprived of a lot. No kid should be led down that path.

[Azgeda]

You remember that Pixar movie Wall-E where all the humans are fat slobs who scoot around on hover chairs?
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Yeah I think that's in our future now.

[justbanANNAz]

LMAO!

[AleDeEurope]

The last thing we need is for kids to think being fat is ok. As if we didn't have an obesity problem -_-

[TakeMaker]

So do you think that it really makes a difference what size the princess is?

[EndofExistence]

@TakeMaker Yes since media influences kids hardcore they will think being a lard ass is a good thing when medical science says otherwise.

[anime_reference]

There's a difference between being plus size and unhealthy... An unhealthy lifestyle is something we wouldn't want our kids to think is good or encouraged. Embracing body shape however? That is extremely important... At least to me.

[EndofExistence]

@anime_reference Good thing science doesn't care about how you personally feel otherwise we would be making a lot of fuck up decisions.

[anime_reference]

@EndofExistence Gee, No need to be rude... Not gonna disagree with you but hey at least be polite with your bullshit?

[TakeMaker]

@EndofExistence I wasn't asking you, I was aaking AleDeEurope. When I want your opinion I'll let you know.

[EndofExistence]

@anime_reference Sorry but I'm an ass, just look at my profile I'm a rude bitch.

[AleDeEurope]

@TakeMaker considering 20 y/o girls are affected by what they see in a magazine, kids will definitely be conditioned even more, they wanna look like their heroes.

[TakeMaker]

If you're a shit parent I suppose, I never wanted to look like the Evil Pieman though... And he was fucking cool!

[AleDeEurope]

@TakeMaker I agree, but there's too many shitty parents out there.
I know it's not Disney's job to act like parents, but they try to educate kids with their movies too, it's not just entertainment, so if they decided to take that role, they can't educate the wrong things, like making fat be ok.

[TakeMaker]

Oh hell no, Disney's entire message is awful, I mean the guy was a full on Nazi for starters, but almost every single Disney movie has a shit life story they teach kids.

Only pretty girls have value. Only strong, rich men can get pretty girls. Don't deviate from the norm unless everyone tells you you're beautiful. Whites are the leaders, other ethnicities are for comedic value only... I think the only one I approve of is The Jungle Book... which teaches us vultures come from Liverpool and snakes can talk :)

[AleDeEurope]

@TakeMaker not really focus on the final message.
Many are real stories from European cultures, that's why white people tend to be the main protagonists.

[TakeMaker]

Real stories with the moral taken out and some Aryan message of conformity and standardised beauty being the winning combo. Disney is fucking awful... except Jungle Book, as I said... The Jungle Book is just awesome...

[Flotri66]

Have you been to playgrounds latly? Half of them look like they have beer bellies.

[mntwins66]

@TakeMaker What about the Lion King? Is that... animalist or something?

[TakeMaker]

@Flotri66 I don't go to playgrounds to judge children's bodies. That's fucking weird.

[TakeMaker]

@mntwins66 it portrays the oppression and social exclusion of hyenas, Simba was just a replacement for the tyrannical reign of Mufasa - an unelected leader who would prefer a child to be in charge instead of someone with far greater experience.

Scar for the win!

[Flotri66]

@TakeMaker i go to playgrounds to take my daughter there. You know, like a parent is supposed to do.

Anyway, im into fat chicks. Women that know they are fat and its their choice to be that way.

I just find it troubling when half the kids in the playground can't keep up with my daughter and choose not to play tag with her because she doesn't have large ball of fat protruding from her midsection to slow her down to the other kids level.

[TakeMaker]

@Flotri66 where do you live? What country?

[Flotri66]

@TakeMaker Miami, Florida why?

[Tomsta]

There is a difference between plus size and fat... do your research

[TakeMaker]

@Flotri66 I see older kids with obesity problems but not little kids, I live in a relatively rural area was just wondering what sort of place you see fat kids. I notice larger kids in cities and such, different standard of life though I suppose.

[AleDeEurope]

@Tomsta enlighten me :)

[Tomsta]

Plus Size models still are healthy and look attractive, they are just bigger than modern society thinks is acceptable, i for excample know someone who is a plus size model, she is size 18 but she still looks very attractive and has a healty lifestyle

Fat on the other hand are people who tend to have too much fat on thier body (hense the name) and don't look that attractive

Plus Size Model:

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[Flotri66]

@TakeMaker im actually for Disney coming out with a princess (or why not a queen) with a regular human body. Not some frail looking supermodel that won't have half the strength they actually show her doing.

[Mrwoo99]

@Tomsta am sorry but plus size models is a nicer way of saying your job is "Fat bastard model"

[Tomsta]

@Mrwoo99 That's your opinion, although you'll offend every plus size model with that statement. You can be a larger size and still healthy. Fat has become synomous with "unhealthy". Granted there are some people who are obese...

[RainbowFanGirl]

Nobody is saying that being fat is okay, but little girls shouldn't feel like shit because they aren't super thin. :P

[Mrwoo99]

@Tomsta mate to get to that so called plus size, isn't a range of healthy eating... burgers and chips gets you to that size lol

[Mrwoo99]

@Tomsta that pic you uploaded looks like she's not a stranger to McDonald's

[Tomsta]

@Mrwoo99 She looks perfectly fine to me. I'm attracted to girls that have an hour glass figure which that girl has

[Mrwoo99]

@RainbowFanGirl yeah but we have to shame! Because these women will never stop eating lol

[Mrwoo99]

@Tomsta no its not mate! You just need to realise your a chubby chaser lol

[Tomsta]

@Mrwoo99 I'm not a chubby chaser, there are some girls who just are "too fat" for me. I just like my girls with curves

[Mrwoo99]

@Tomsta stop promoting obesity please! Otherwise every fat feminist is going to walk around thinking she has a hourglass or curvy shape.

[Mrwoo99]

@Tomsta... your delusional if you don't think that's fat.

[Tomsta]

@Mrwoo99 I'm not promoting obesity, if anything i'm promoting that there are guys out there that don't like the "Skinny model look".

[Tomsta]

@Mrwoo99 Post a picture of what you think is a "average girl" then

[Mrwoo99]

@Tomsta www.google.co.uk/search

[Tomsta]

@Mrwoo99 Well girl 2 looks far to slim for me, but the rest look slightly slimmer than average; in teh UK the average size is 14

[Mrwoo99]

@Tomsta hang on I did that wrong

[Mrwoo99]

@Tomsta s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/.../...35653678fe.jpg

[Mrwoo99]

Kims hour glass... your pic is fat lol

[Mrwoo99]

@Tomsta pear shaped is a healthy weight

[Mrwoo99]

@Tomsta don't forget the photo you have is also probably photoshopped to make her look like she has some shape so she could be even fatter lol

[anime_reference]

There's a difference between fat and plus size... 😑 Fat is unhealthy, plus size is simply the way you are made to be... some girls are genetically skinny, some genetically tall and some are genetically bigger. It doesn't matter if you don't like it or if you think plus size is "unnatractive"... its about healthy or not healthy.

[melaniemel]

@anime_reference that isn't true, about it being the way people are just made to be. If they were eating healthy and exercising or living an active life they would not be plus size, which IS overweight. Some people have medical issues that they know about such as thyroid issues. Saying it's just how people are is giving an excuse to continue living unhealthy and essentially give up even trying. Being thin isn't everything and no of course you don't have to be a size 0, but everyone deserves more than to make an excuse for it.

[lucasnabizada]

@anime_reference LOL sorry to burst your bubble... But plus ize is the nice word for fat

[Slimtight]

@TakeMaker that is exactly what he saying. Do you have to have a club it over your head. It is not okay to be fat. You get the message?

[anime_reference]

@lucasnabizada But it's really not 😂 There is a difference...

[TakeMaker]

@Slimtight who are you and why are you randomly talking to me about this?

[TakeMaker]

@Flotri66 I totally agree, not a fat princess but one shaped a regular old human, not based on a plank with a ponytail. Just a normal human with normal features...

[TakeMaker]

@Mrwoo99 stop being a nasty human, she isn't fat. She has cat. You have far, you just don't like her size... that doesn't make her obese. Get a grip and stop getting all upset because people don't agree with your definition of fat.

[lucasnabizada]

@anime_reference But no, the man is right... Even if there is people won't make that difference... Girls who watch Disney may get genuinely fat and then just assume it's ok because sleeping beauty looks the same LOL...

[fulloflife]

The last thing we need is to encourage girls that is okay to be bone skinny and physically not a real woman

[fulloflife]

@Flotri66
Amen

[AleDeEurope]

@fulloflife the fact that you think being fat makes a woman a "real woman", is appalling.

[Mrwoo99]

If you don't think thats fat then your either delusional, promoting obesity or just want to social engineer fat acceptance in society. The last thing we want is fat narcissistic, self entitled pigs walking around thinking it's okay to look like a trollap. From looks of the photo the lad uploaded her body fat percentage looks above 25% which according to science or Personal trainers would be classed as unhealthy or overweight.

Am sorry but anything that is unhealthy is just not beautiful, stop contradicting yourself because you women are too fat and lazy to smash the treadmill. I don't need to get a grip I have the right to stand up against this toxic social engineering feminism is putting out.

[Prof_Don]

As a business move, this is an EXCELLENT idea. The demand for diversity in body image is in, so it makes sense to follow the trend of the market.

Socially, however, I see the issue of "promoting unhealthy lifestyle". But parents shouldn't be letting entertainment raise their damn kids!

I'm a shameless capitalist, so I voted "Yes it's about damn time!"

[lexythelou22]

So far, this is one of the best comments I've seen here. You nodded towards the benefits of the diversity, but also expressed your concern about an unhealthy lifestyle being promoted. You did it in a very respectful way also, no fat or skinny shaming was thrown in like some others have been doing. I wish that more people here could learn a thing or two from how you worded this opinion.

[Prof_Don]

@lexythelou22 Thank u for the flattering comments! Too many people post angry and emotional instead of level-headed. :)

[Bloopy]

@lexythelou22 exactly like if kids are getting fat and thinking it's okay because princesses are too then their parents have a problem

[OlderAndWiser]

We are told that we are overweight fat lards who need to lose weight, then we are supposed to idolize girls who have a french fry addiction. PC thought police: please make up your minds!

[Leaflar]

The PC thought police are quite made up. Nothing is ever your fault, make no effort to ever improve yourself, anyone with any measure of success is evil.

[AlwaysBelieving]

@Leaflar this is so funny and true!