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I think the confusion happens because many guys think there's the nice guy and the asshole and that's it. It's like this, a girl says she doesn't want a nice guy, like you just did, the average guy would then think that you want a true asshole without recognizing the in between. Don't ask me why but we tend to have a very black and white view of this sort of thing, completely ignoring that there is a pool of grey area for guys to fall under.
That being said, I admire the courage you put into this. Way to speak out.
And I'm tired of society and ignorant people adhering to stupid stereotypes and leaving any guy labeled "nice" out to dry, simply because someone titles him as such or because he has the simple trait of being nice.
Also no one is forcing you to do anything if you date someone that's your choice and you have no one to blame for it but yourself, you are your own person, you have a free will.
you know , iam starting to believe that girls truly dig assholes , iam a great guy by most standards , from looks to personality and i know how to treat a girl , but do you know when girls realize how great i am? When i leave , when iam gone from their life and i start ignoring them and act as an ass they realize how good i was , i dont think we will truly understand women , but i know one thing, unless she's being euqally nice and giving iam going to be an asshole
Traditionally, guys were funneled into behaving in ways that benefited the community, and girls were funneled into partnering up with guys who achieved those goals.
If men don't see employment and being productive as the path to get women, the societal ramifications are a little scary.
On a personal level though, the old system is going, and guys need to adapt to it.
Frankly, be is not getting anywhere near my body nor my bed unless he is a nice guy. I'm not attracted in the least bit to assholes. That being said, there are plenty of women out there who fall for them and then wonder why they are left with a broken heart all the time... My best girlfriend is a prime example of that. Yet, she keeps choosing essentially the same man with a different exterior.
I know a TON of nice people that doesn't mean I should have to fuck/date them all get that through your heads! Being nice doesn't mean you get whatever you want just handed to you, you should be nice because you are nice, not because you expect something in return.
I'm fine with people not dating people they're not attracted to, but can you at least see how it's frustrating for genuinely good, nice guys who just aren't self-confident, hot, popular, etc. to be routinely rejected while asshole after asshole gets every girl he ever could want?
what about genuinely good nice girl who aren't As hot and popular? men are not the only beings that suffer.
@myTake Owner
Yeah I feel for them and understand that they're frustrated. As I said, I'm not saying you're obligated to date someone you're not attracted to, just understand where they're coming from.
Notice how she dodged the question? I don't think she has an answer.
Also myTake Owner, guys don't give a shit about whether a girl is popular or not. As long as she's not hideous and not a total bitch to be around.
No one said a woman has to date nice guys. We just don't want to hear them bitch about how all guys are assholes when it is just the guys they are choosing to date are that way.
same as us girls not wanting to hear how a girl treats you like shit when you rejected the girl who had half the balls that you don't to ask you out.:)
@Asker That's like saying guys are obligated to date whoever asks them out. You say girls should be allowed to date who they want, you shouldn't look down on us for doing the same.
Yeah, this is a wonderful reason not to be nice. You do not have to be a nice guy to attract women. You can be nice or pure evil. What really matters is what the other party thinks.
A strong personality and an absolute confidence in yourself will create attraction.
I totally agree with you.
You don't date someone just because h's nice, it takes way more than that. Not all men who make those claims are like that but I've crossed path with some of those men and they are usually bitter and not even nice. They are probably the more judgmental men there are. It's weird but basically the one who don't make those claims are often the nice ones... it's just weird
I think some people might get confused on the term "nice guy". A "nice guy", as an EXAMPLE, can be a guy who you know who won't stop bugging you about your new boyfriend because he wants to date you. He'll say "you're dating a dickhead, I'm a nice guy, why won't you go out with me?" And he gets you to try and pity him, because he's 'a good guy that can't get a girls' attention'. They play an act, wanting you to change your mind, and get mad at you when you don't.
That doesn't sound like a nice guy at all.
Sorry for your bad experience. You have a liar, not a nice guy, in your life. If you want to hate on someone hate on the liars, not nice guys.
I think the point people are trying to make is girls complain about how there are no good guys left and that they're all gone. Others point out that they aren't all gone they're just not attractive enough for her because the girl wants the guy that they see in romance movies.
I'm also getting tired of all these "guys need to be worthy enough to date me" crap messages women are being told. And I'm complaining more at guys than girls because they adhere to this crap. It's as if the only thing that matters is if a guy is good enough for the girl and not the other way around. I literally once had a girl say that I was "finally" good enough. I felt so good telling her she wasn't good enough herself. She acted like that was a completely alien concept. Guys have some damn self respect. You're the ones instigating this behavior women have.
First of all. Drop the nice guy thing. Guys are just guys. It doesn't make much sense. But other than that, women should just date whoever they want other than making stereotypes. Do you know who wants to date 'nice' people? Unhappy people.
Wow this nice guy thing is a myth there is good and bad in everyone ffs the nice guy term is an excuse. If good things all came to the nice guys I'd be rich marry the girl of my dreams and have a massive fuck off villa but being nice guy don't get that.
It's NOT a Myth. There are plenty of "nice guys" who are angry that women do not choose them yet fail to remember that a lot of women prefer someone that they're attracted to. There are also a bunch of nice guys being lumped together when they are not all the same.
The equivalent take from a male's perspective is they should date a girl who they are sexually attracted to and not just a nice person (i. e. girls with big tits or asses). Imagine how that would go... There's nothing wrong with dating a person because they're nice, provided an element of attraction.
Women who try to shame men into not talking about this issue are completely missing the point of the whole nice guy vs. bad boy dynamic.
It's not that nice guys are pissed because you won't date them
Nice guys are pissed that you spend your twenties fucking bad boys and then expect to "settle" for nice guys later in life.
Talk about a sense of entitlement.
Don't worry, In a few years time hopefully nice guys will get it and there won't be none. I think all the failed nice guys are going to teach their kids other lessons.
There is a difference between being a 'nice guy' and just nice in general. The lack of confidence is the issue main issue, along with charm, don't raise your kids to be assholes xD because that will make them not loyal, and loyalty is the most important basic thing you could have.
Just saying ;P
I'm treaching my son to play women. A part of that is being nice. But the other part of that is he will grow up being taught the truth: there is no such thing as monogamy, marraige is a controlling tool, religion is for dumb fucks and yes... nice guys finish last, and power is all that matters.
Teaching;)
if I were the mother by all means I would get you away from child. to a point where you won't ever see him again.
Obviously you would. That's the millennial problem: women are turning their sons into pussies. The intention is good, but you create that very person who fails. The so called "nice guy" you wouldn't touch. My kids will know that every Romcom, Disney movie, love story etc are as unicorn as the unicorn itself. I will teach them to respect people obviously, but they need to know the truth that you would deny them. Pretty shit mom if you asked me.
how are your intentions good? okay so logic says that let me teach my son how to play with a woman's heart break it and then run. cool story Bro. wouldn't be surprised if the guy grows up and spits on your grave like most kids do when they realise the parent has fucked them over
So you gonna teach your son to marry the first girl he meets? That's divorce central, nice going mom. It's black n white. Play in your teens and twenties and settle in your 30's. its not a women's obligation to date a nice guy as much as it is for a guy to stay with any girl. And he will never run, he will man up about it. He will be upfront that he is not settling and any girl who falls in love with that is a fool. And spitting on graves? My parents taught me to be respectful, kind, Good Samaritan blah blah, and that got me nowhere and so I'm still deciding whether to spit on their grave or forgive them.
Well you know what? Nice guys don't call themselves nice... And they have all the charm and intelligence etc etc but the one who say they are nice and that they deserve a women or sex for being nice are definitely not nice guys LOL
Nobody is forcing you to do anything.
But if you do stupid shit, people will call you stupid. Thems the breaks lol
They are nice till you rejected them. SHM self-proclaim nice guys. I agree when you say it's hard to separate the good apples from the bad. Everyone tries to avoid jerks and gold diggers but it just happened that they fell for them. No one wants it.
@desidoll I am a guy that calls himself nice and have respected women that have rejected me.
@ManuelMarquez:How nice it would be if there are more guys like you :)
@desidoll thanks. I have gotten sad though over the rejection but I didn't think or say the women were bitches or mean though. The sad part is understandable right? Also, I stayed being friends with her, and ok with still being friend with her.
@ManuelMarquez: It's good to know that you still want to make friends with her after the rejection. I hardly meet any guys like this.
@desidoll yes but is it bad that I got sad over the rejection?
@ManuelMarquez: Eh no totally a normal feeling. I'd get sad too if a guy rejected me. No one feels happy for being unaccepted lol.
@desidoll alright. And I have decided to be single for life.
I actually become even sweeter after you've rejected me, because you're much too good for a loser like me:)