In all honesty though, women in general aren't really impressive either, much like guys in general aren't impressive to women. Why is it that the "bar" has been raised by women?, maybe just all the good guys have raised theirs. Since so hard to find for a reason in many ways. Hence also they may shy away from relationships in general, which wouldn't be weird for anyone who have a bit higher standards, doubt people who do jump into relationships all the time.
An based on what I see in this world, I kinda think education seem to make people even more stupid at times, sadly. No education you might be brainwashed by your surroundings. With schools and such you are brainwashed by the herd or sheep mentality, where individuality is never encouraged.
Why Are There No Good Men Left? 1) They aren't in the places you're looking. 2) They aren't what you're looking for.
Every single girl I know has the things they want in a man on a list somewhere either written down or in their head. The problem then becomes that just like everyone else on this planet you find out that that person doesn't exist, so you compromise. Most girls though aren't willing to budge on some things (appearance for example) and are willing to sacrifice a lot of stuff for a good looking guy who's an ass instead of a better guy who's not hot. You're right though. Your standards are too high. It's good to have an ideal in your head, but Prince Charming isn't real and there are regular guys everywhere who are good guys that you would never speak to let alone date. Be a bit more open-minded.
Excellent Take. Even the comments are great. More discussion about this is needed. I contemplated these issues and proposed a solution seven months ago. Unfortunately a lot of people couldn't read past the headline, which was unfortunate:
It's so weird when I see MyTakes on the dating world. Being a young woman, who has only dated 3 people, it's hard to realize that there are people out there who have probably been on 30 first dates by the time their 29.
It's also hard to really relate to MyTakes like this. I have a boyfriend, we're talking marriage, and hopefully (I'm thinking) I'll never have to date again.
I see how your words definitely make sense regarding education and working, those are the facts. I dunno, for me though, I don't agree with there not being any good men left. I just don't see the world that way. So, it's hard to really know what to do with a mytake like this, all the opinions.
I asked my mom and she said she didn't agree with that saying either. It's not that we both want traditional men and date in that sphere. I'm pretty progressive. Hmm.
Yeah, I should've used the phrase "some women" instead of "women." My language gives the false impression that I think all or most women think this way. My bad :-/
I wrote it because I didn't understand where some women were coming from when they would say there's no good men left. I know tons of guys who I consider to be "good guys." The disconnect between their rhetoric and my perceived reality made me try to think from a woman's perspective. This is what I came up with. I don't want you confused!
I don't understand where those women are coming from either, I think it's 90% their unsuccessful romantic adventures. Because coming from a satisfied woman, guys are all individuals and some are really the absolute best :)
Ah yes, the adage that women always want to date up. However, the fact that women have had their barriers removed allowing them to get to our level of self-sufficiency, and the tendency of wanting to date up leads to a massive conflict between the sexes. It means that guys always have to earn more or be more educated. If she has a masters, he has to have a PhD. If she earns 70k, he has to earn at least 100k. But is this even reasonable to expect of guys? Its like its now become an arms race of self sufficiency between the sexes and the women are trying to beat the guys but are secretly disappointed when they win.
Once you level the playing field you have to realize that you can't necessarily date up financially. And if you choose to, then your dating pool becomes that much smaller.
the real reason there are no good guys is that also some women would rather have the baby without the father attached.
or put him in a friendzone. because they dont like him. so no one else can have him either. so they go on the internet and moan about how their life sucks
or put him in a FB or friends with benefits relationship. of which its all the fun stuff without the relationship crap getting in the way...
or have been burned by PUA's and PLAYAZ so all men are tarred with the same brush.
GOOSEBOY 78. Why have the Father around? You can take him to Court and get Child Support. The Mother can also get the Government to be the substitute Father.
@MagiAlphaOne because every child deserves the father in their lives. boys can be like him, and do guy stuff with him. and girls learn how a man should treat his lady. a father is a job for life and not just a paycheck for 18 years. because no matter how old your child is they will always be your little boy/girl
The good Men are typically taken early (20s). Traditionally, Women usually married in their early 20s as well. Unfortunately, most Women these days pursue going to College first. Then establish their Careers second and then decide to try to find a Husband when they approach 30. Women then find themselves asking "where have all the good men gonie". A Man at 30 years old, and later, finds that his value in the Dating Scene begins to increase. He now has options because he is now established in his Careeer and has resources (HOPEFULLY!). He can now date a younger Women... and get her! The Birth Control Pill has dropped the price of sex for MEN! Now that a Woman does not fear getting pregnant she can have sex freely. For a Man, this is great news! The Woman that chooses to remain a virgin until she gets married will be bypassed by Men. If a Woman says no to sex, the odds are that the next one will.
Who really gives a fuck about about why there are no "good" men left? Really? Does it really matter? People are going to do their own thing, their own way, no way to really control them. Not everyone has to choose to be a "good" man anyway, it's really up to them to decide what is really "good" for them.
I think the whole MGTOW thing really should be changed to "Humans (or People)" Going Their Own Way or "Singles" Going Their Own Way instead.
Who gives a shit? Besides no one really has to, that is unless if they absolutely really want to.
Therefore, I think everyone can all just do their own thing, their own way, whenever, however, wherever, and whatever way they want to, think they want to or like to. If they don't want to be "good" then they don't need to or have to be "good".
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Well as the years go by, i realize that there aren't many good men around. I wish i was back in uni. I rejected many good guys. Even now i do feel that i was too harsh on guys, in a way i blame myself and society. I was always taught to be independent and strive for the best and i do have my own career, house, friends, but i still come home to an empty house and its hard being alone. My only regret is not giving good guys a chance. I looked for status and that "bad boy persona" in a relationship and it left me with nothing. :'(
When I go to a uni I'm definitely going to try to be more receptive to the nice guys but from what I have heard most guys in college do not want anything serious
#ikissedtheskyonce I feel like the culture today has changed between men and women. The majority of men want sex and don't look for serious relationships. Its so different to when i was at uni. I guess you just have to go with your gut feeling, there is a chance that you might find a guy who might just be that guy who is a keeper (its rare tho) but if he does come along, be sure to give him a chance. Don't be like me and regret it. All the best to you :)
but to women like her that's not good enough you have to do more and us good men are sick and tired of having to live up to their expectations that's why a lot of us men are going our own way all of those years through manipulation and brainwashing is over it is
Because also most men that you believed they were straight before today are coming out gay hehe. or they are married or divorced with kids or single guys who do not like committment so there are no men out there
I'm 55 years. old with a Daughter (20yrs) in College. She and her girlfriends say that "all the good ones (men) are taken" and that the rest are immature Boys. After going on Campus a few times I found myself agreeing with her! There are too few masculine young Men. My take...
- Feminisation of Education - Boys being raised WITHOUT a Father - Men being told that they are "potential rapists" when they arrive on College Campuses - False Rape accusations - Women set unbelievably high expectations on Men - Chivalry and entitlement mentality - College Women that are Feminists
Nah, there are plenty of good men they are VERY common.
We are only half way through the sexual revolution, women went first and you can see the results. Now it's men's turn to walk away from their traditional gender rolls of helper, builder, protector, provider, defender, and husband to women.
We will need to develop new norms and this change will be hard for many, the sexist detractors will bitch about things like "no good men left" hoping they can shame men back into their gender rolls.
I'm good looking, muscular, have a good sense of humour, and highly intelligent, I'm an artist and animator, I love pleasing women, I would never have children with a woman unless I was certain I will always be there for them.
I have absolutely no interest in pursuing women whatsoever. I have no interest in marriage. I do not want any one of you women. There is nothing you can offer me except for sex, and porn replaces that. That reduces women to a womb. And I would not have children with a woman who is nothing more that a womb.
Women will never have me. They only have themselves to blame.
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It must suck to be a women. While most think feminism is hurting men, i actually think it is women that it will hurt the most. Women often complain that men only want sex, or there are no good men and rubbish like that. Well too bad, this is what women wanted, now suck it up and deal with it. Women wanted to be independent and now you are independent, what do you need a man for right? That's the attitude most women have.
Feminism turned women into sex objects. Why is it that women complain men want only sex? Go figure.
In the end i focus on my career and play the women for sex, that's all they are to me, just fucked up pieces of junk
"Women are smarter than men." If you count spending 45 or 60k to go to college and get a masters in English smarter... okay. I interviewed at a local university, the woman who interviewed me was about 29... very nice lady. Masters in Anthropology, did time at the British Museum. Currently was working in Admin for $16 an hour.
Women think there so intelligent because they have a degree. like my self am studying for a degree but that does not mean am any better than a person who is working at a supermarket if I don't land the job I want. Students like me are gonna end up in debt when we leave university...
@Indigo91 education isn't intelligence. it means they can follow directions, show up on time, remember how to do things for a short period of time so on. i dropped out of majoring computer science, i bet her masters was a cakewalk compared.
I spend most of my days on a university campus and I see a lot of what you mentioned: people (mainly women) who spend tens of thousands of dollars to get useless degrees. We refer them to the 'would you like fries with that' degrees. They include, but are not limited to: arts, psychology, linguistics, communications/journalism, environmental science (borders on being an oxymoron), theatre and even law. I know an honours graduate in law who is working in a call centre, answering insurance questions. His fate is fairly typical. Three weeks ago I met one of the new student counsellors. She had a PhD in linguistics. Only after she had invested 10 years in that plan and spent goodness knows how much money, did she realise that her qualification was worth zero in the job market. People in general, but women in particular, seem to be unable to get their heads around the idea that if they want to make money with their degree it needs to be something in the line of science or engineering.
@cth96190 I have a snootty aunt like that she has a masters in sociology or something and works at a till in Lidl. My father who never got to college did fifty percent of it. She thinks the reason she is still single is because there are no good men out there but the truth is she doesn't deserve a good man because she is an awful person with nothing to offer and no longer able to get by on her looks.
@666threesixes666 Yeah they're training us to be obedient workers who follow rules. I know a post graduate smart ass who thinks of her self as all high and mighty, guess what she works at clothes shop.
@Indigo91 I suppose considering she used to use her youth and looks to get "high calibre" men who used to pump and dump her and now she's 35. This one guy who was a pakistani business man was cheating on his wife with her and the worst part is she actually ended up stalking him after he dumped her, so one time she calls me while following him and his long term mistress in the car to Dublin. Another time after she claimed he hit her we kicked his door in to find him with some other pump and dump when confronted he pissed himself and cried that she wouldn't leave him alone and showed us her texts. Some girls just dont deserve a great guy and are the cause of all their own problems.
@Righttobeararms83 i switched from computer classes to psychology/sociology classes. the blend of the two actually made far more sense to me than 1 or the other. social engineering rocks!
Actually, Women are getting more educated than Men. Intelligence is different than smarts. Biologically speaking, there are MORE GENIUS Men than GENIUS Women. Also, there are MORE STUPID Men than STUPID Women. On a bell curve, there are generally more Women of average intelligence than Men.
@MagiAlphaOne Yeah but only because feminism is pushing women further in to higher education rather than men. After all feminism is about mass privilege which only focuses and favors women by providing special treatments or requirements in supporting the female gender. Reasons why universities demand more female pupils than men because women have support men don't and these days men are being raised by single mothers who have no role model to be guided and usually turn to crime or low paid jobs according to statistics.
@Indigo91 , WELL SAID about Feminism and College. I'll add this... if a Man dates a recent College graduate, he better find out about her Financial situation. You don't want to get involved with someone with a lot of debt.
So, what your saying is men are too lazy to evolve just as women have? I think thats pretty freaking sad. Women no longer depend on a man money. But that means you need to bring other things to the plate like can you build something? Can you cook? are you emotionally intelligent. Really if women can change so can men.
Women didn't evolve as much as their restraints were released. Men never had any restraints (legally, biologically, etc.). They had the maximum amount of liberty society could provide. Therefore, women's relative progression over the years has superseded men's in leaps and bounds.
Men have been building things, empathizing and cooking for centuries. I'm not implying that men can't do those things. I'm saying that having those traits are more heavily emphasized in modern relationships because women can take over tasks that were traditionally male-orientated.
Yes, thats my point. We are supposed to compliment eachother and if women can do everything a man can do. Where do men fit in? Im just saying men can change , plus men today lack drive. Which turns women off.
I think we agree. "Where do men fit in?" I think a lot of guys are asking themselves the same question nowadays, and instead of stressing themselves out trying to land a date with a quality girl, it's easier for many to just lower their standards or depart from the game altogether. Some men lack drive nowadays. Therefore, I think we agree
@xXHelenaoftroyXx Laws outlawing divorce (even in cases of rape and abuse), laws outlawing birth control, labor laws which didn't protect a woman's right to work, colleges allocating funds in a discriminatory fashion before Title IX. etc.
Laws outlawing divorce. - applies to men. And where was this the case?
Laws outlawing birth control. - applies to men. Birth control pill was invented in the 1960's. So what, we're talking condoms, a male contraceptive.
Labor laws which didn't protect a woman's right to work. - What does that even mean?
Colleges allocating funds in a discriminatory fashion before Title IX. - You want me to assume that they discriminate against women. But ignoring that, that isn't a legal restraint.
@xXHelenaoftroyXx If you believe women had relatively fewer legal restrictions 50 years ago than they do today, you are free to believe that. Contraceptive rights arguably have a bigger effect on a woman than they do any man. The civil rights act made it illegal to discriminate against someone on the basis of sex. etc. I really don't want to go in to the U. S. code, cases etc. to prove how women were discriminated against. There are many books in the library on this fact
@xXHelenaoftroyXx I just cited the Civil Rights Act of 1964, 42 U. S. C. Section 2000d et. al., Pub. L. 88-52, 78 Stat. 241 as evidence for my conclusions and said that there is a plethora of more information available for you to research
Your citation of the civil rights act... is NOT an example of a legal restraint. I asked you for an example of a legal restraint. So far you have managed to produce not one clear example.
Your pomposity in the face of your failure to achieve this is trying.
And it seems I must also remind you that YOU are the one who made the claim that there were legal restraints applied to women. So far you've managed to prove that this is a baseless statement.
@xXHelenaoftroyXx I see. You're focused on my imprecise use of language. I will concede that point to you to ease tension. To restate my point more precisely, the government did not restrict widespread discrimination of which it was well aware for decades. Therefore, the government did not actively restrict women's rights, yet it was complicit in the restriction of their rights until laws like the civil rights act. Such complicity constitutes restricting rights in my opinion, even if no legislation was passed.
So all it boils down to is your 'opinion'. And you have the gall to refer to that as me being focused on your 'imprecise' language, in an attempt to trivialize the fact that your original statement is simply an incorrect one.
We can safely conclude that YOU are the one who is free to believe what he chooses. And in light of your failure to substantiate your original statement, the entire argument you based it upon is invalid. Yet, you attempt to trivialize this. HAHAH. You're a trumped up college boy who thinks he's smarter than reality reveals him to be.
@xXHelenaoftroyXx We're arguing over language and not substance. My point was that women were relatively less liberated than they are today. I think you agree with this fact. I used incorrect language to convey that fact. I conceded my mistake, and for all you know, I work at Mickey D's
You assume I will agree because I'm a woman. My argument is not biased by my gender.
And no. Since I have already correctly identified you for what you are, I am clearly acutely aware of more than you suggest.
And to make it clear, I do not agree with you in the slightest. Your entire assertion is built upon nothing more than female and majority consensus. A narrative. Once upon a time, the consensus was that the earth is flat. Facts give rise to truth, consensus and 'opinion' does not constitute truth.
the problem is when all I see is women trying to change men into what they think is deemable ain't right by any means cause to me that's thinking less of the person when In reality you just made yourself worthless
instead of changing a person into what you think is deemable I think it's about time you change yourself cause if you didn't notice a lot of people are having a hard time with coming to terms with who they are cause of people like you are attacking them for who they are because of how they express their selves through their words and actions do you have a fucking right doing that no I don't think you do
@CancerianMan81 Excuse me, sir, but if you would actually take the time to read through the entirety of the thread, you would see I was actually defending men, and attacking feminism. You need to reign in your crusader attitude because your emotional tirade is of no use to anybody.
@CancerianMan81 Also, when people start attacking like you are, when I am trying to defend men from intellectual charlatans like this other guy that I was arguing with, I start to wonder why I bother, because you're clearly an idiot and deserve to be treated like a slave.
@xXHelenaoftroyXx it didn't look that way to me because it looked like you were attacking him on all sides and you ain't going to tell me otherwise and now your attacking me and the only person I see as a charlatan is you cause your trying to be someone that you're not you don't fucking fool me you damn fake ass piece of shit
at least for the MyTake owner I can give him credit for trying to come up with something that can help you on the other hand ain't doing that cause all your doing is making things worse by attacking him for what he's saying and doing and if you don't like his opinion you can just take your happy little ass and go somewhere else
What part of shut up don't you understand? You gibbering idiot. You are literally hindering the defence of your own gender, you astonishingly stupid person.
@xXHelenaoftroyXx and what part don't you understand that your the one that's being a gibbering idiot because you can't accept the fact that i am who I am and it's pissing you off that you can't fit me into the person that you think I am and I'm not the one creating the problem your the one that's creating the problem me on the other I'm standing up for being a man
@CancerianMan81 Well, if you can not get a job and can't get defense for being abused by a spouse you didn't choose to marry in the past, how would you get out of it?
@dudeman , I COMPLETE AGREE. The world is accommodating Women. Its called Gynocentrism. Men are increasingly getting fed up with Laws and Culture tearing them down. The Marriage rate is at an all time low. Women initiate 70% of the Divorces and 50% of Marriages fail. Men loose 50% or more of the Assets in a Divorce and some Men go to Jail because they simply can't afford to pay Alimony/Child Support. For Men, the risks are too high.
This site is getting ridiculous. If everyone would get off of the Internet & actually engage in real life, they would see the real world is not like this. Everyday I see one of my friends from college is getting married.
I do get out and do things gym every other day including a spin class also a hobbyist/networking tec group once a week then some food shopping and dog walking even though I think I will always be socially awkward in real life no matter how much I work on it (asperges diagnosis as a kid) but honestly I could still get out more. Thing is I'm doing software development so most of what I have to do is online then I get lonely as a result of sitting in front of my laptop all day and I get distracted and end up in online forums. I also get very nervous when I think i'm unprepared for something and have difficulty keeping in contact with people. Im thinking maybe I could get a VPN and go to a coffee shop or library to get work done so Im around people.
One of the BIGGEST complaints from Men is that Western Women are stuck with their noses in their Phones. Women, during a date, PUT THE PHONE DOWN! OR BETTER, TURN IT OFF.
Many Women pursue the bad boy/jerk types and bypass the nice guy/good guy. These Women get used up by the bad boys and discarded. Only after this has happened a few times do they wake up (if ever). They then realize that there are good guys that were in her life. Now, those good guys are gone or no longer interested in her. What guy wants a Woman with a history of of sleeping around with multiple Men?
Nice guys and nice girls meet and have nice relationships every day. If the guy is chasing chicks with "bad boys" he needs to examine what is drawing him to women. Bad bitches like bad men.
Lost me at "nowadays women are smarter than men." Your evidence is numbers of post-secondary graduates. Education has nothing to do with intelligence. Women are offered more oppertunities and help from society to get that education. Just because I did not have the opportunity to get an education does not mean I lack intelligance.
And if I'm not good enough for them because of this, as has been suggested by women, fuck them. They can have fun being alone.
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Not all college degrees are created equal, women tend to get less valuable degrees. A college degree does not equate to higher intelligence.
A big change is that women who want an SO will have to work for it in diffenernt ways and be flexible in different ways.
Men won't be staying home in droves to raise kids, working women will need to make a choice as to which to prioritize. Millenias of generations have biologically set women up to raise kids. Don't think that is fair? Complain to Mother Nature.
Women who prioritize work over family may not be as happy as they hope since they have a genetically programmed role to play and vice versa for them males. I would guess that the women who feel a need to be the man will commit genetic suicide as they do not breed or breed well.
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@cth96190 nailed it dead on.
Get out of here with your man-shaming. I've always been a gentleman. I never tried to get sex. I wanted a relationship. I got shit on. Hell, I just got dumped recently by a woman that I thought I clicked with better than anyone else. Her reasoning? I'm too nice for her, and I deserve someone better than her. Now, I've decided that I'm not going to bother anymore. I'm definitely not going to marry a woman who has had multiple sexual partners when I'm still waiting for the right person.
Lol I know for a fact that's not at all true, I know tons of great guys.
Also men and women have the same base intelligence really the only discernible difference is that men do better with singular tasks while women are more suited for multitasking in general and we're wired to think differently and approach problems differently but women aren't smarter then us and we're not smarter then them.
Not really a good mytake and your incorrect on several things.
Biologically speaking, there are MORE GENIUS Men than GENIUS Women. Also, there are MORE STUPID Men than STUPID Women. On a bell curve, there are generally more Women of average intelligence than Men. For more info, Google on "Sorry, Girls! But The Smartest People In The World Are All Men"
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In all honesty though, women in general aren't really impressive either, much like guys in general aren't impressive to women. Why is it that the "bar" has been raised by women?, maybe just all the good guys have raised theirs. Since so hard to find for a reason in many ways. Hence also they may shy away from relationships in general, which wouldn't be weird for anyone who have a bit higher standards, doubt people who do jump into relationships all the time.
An based on what I see in this world, I kinda think education seem to make people even more stupid at times, sadly. No education you might be brainwashed by your surroundings. With schools and such you are brainwashed by the herd or sheep mentality, where individuality is never encouraged.
Screwed either way in life, but that is life, lol
Why Are There No Good Men Left?
1) They aren't in the places you're looking.
2) They aren't what you're looking for.
Every single girl I know has the things they want in a man on a list somewhere either written down or in their head. The problem then becomes that just like everyone else on this planet you find out that that person doesn't exist, so you compromise. Most girls though aren't willing to budge on some things (appearance for example) and are willing to sacrifice a lot of stuff for a good looking guy who's an ass instead of a better guy who's not hot. You're right though. Your standards are too high. It's good to have an ideal in your head, but Prince Charming isn't real and there are regular guys everywhere who are good guys that you would never speak to let alone date. Be a bit more open-minded.
Excellent Take. Even the comments are great. More discussion about this is needed. I contemplated these issues and proposed a solution seven months ago. Unfortunately a lot of people couldn't read past the headline, which was unfortunate:
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a23640-could-feminism-save-the-american-family
I just read it. Brilliant. I just wrote the prequel to your story. I didn't mean to intrude lol
:) Thanks!
If this topic is of interest to you, you might have already read this. If not, I recommend it.
www.theatlantic.com/.../
It's so weird when I see MyTakes on the dating world. Being a young woman, who has only dated 3 people, it's hard to realize that there are people out there who have probably been on 30 first dates by the time their 29.
It's also hard to really relate to MyTakes like this. I have a boyfriend, we're talking marriage, and hopefully (I'm thinking) I'll never have to date again.
I see how your words definitely make sense regarding education and working, those are the facts. I dunno, for me though, I don't agree with there not being any good men left. I just don't see the world that way. So, it's hard to really know what to do with a mytake like this, all the opinions.
I asked my mom and she said she didn't agree with that saying either. It's not that we both want traditional men and date in that sphere. I'm pretty progressive. Hmm.
Yeah, I should've used the phrase "some women" instead of "women." My language gives the false impression that I think all or most women think this way. My bad :-/
I got you, still, I'm stumped. It's weird. It's never something I've thought of in this particular way.
I wrote it because I didn't understand where some women were coming from when they would say there's no good men left. I know tons of guys who I consider to be "good guys." The disconnect between their rhetoric and my perceived reality made me try to think from a woman's perspective. This is what I came up with. I don't want you confused!
I don't understand where those women are coming from either, I think it's 90% their unsuccessful romantic adventures. Because coming from a satisfied woman, guys are all individuals and some are really the absolute best :)
Never say never
Ah yes, the adage that women always want to date up. However, the fact that women have had their barriers removed allowing them to get to our level of self-sufficiency, and the tendency of wanting to date up leads to a massive conflict between the sexes. It means that guys always have to earn more or be more educated. If she has a masters, he has to have a PhD. If she earns 70k, he has to earn at least 100k. But is this even reasonable to expect of guys? Its like its now become an arms race of self sufficiency between the sexes and the women are trying to beat the guys but are secretly disappointed when they win.
Once you level the playing field you have to realize that you can't necessarily date up financially. And if you choose to, then your dating pool becomes that much smaller.
the real reason there are no good guys is that also some women would rather have the baby without the father attached.
or put him in a friendzone. because they dont like him. so no one else can have him either. so they go on the internet and moan about how their life sucks
or put him in a FB or friends with benefits relationship. of which its all the fun stuff without the relationship crap getting in the way...
or have been burned by PUA's and PLAYAZ so all men are tarred with the same brush.
GOOSEBOY 78. Why have the Father around? You can take him to Court and get Child Support. The Mother can also get the Government to be the substitute Father.
@MagiAlphaOne because every child deserves the father in their lives. boys can be like him, and do guy stuff with him. and girls learn how a man should treat his lady. a father is a job for life and not just a paycheck for 18 years. because no matter how old your child is they will always be your little boy/girl
The good Men are typically taken early (20s). Traditionally, Women usually married in their early 20s as well. Unfortunately, most Women these days pursue going to College first. Then establish their Careers second and then decide to try to find a Husband when they approach 30. Women then find themselves asking "where have all the good men gonie". A Man at 30 years old, and later, finds that his value in the Dating Scene begins to increase. He now has options because he is now established in his Careeer and has resources (HOPEFULLY!). He can now date a younger Women... and get her! The Birth Control Pill has dropped the price of sex for MEN! Now that a Woman does not fear getting pregnant she can have sex freely. For a Man, this is great news! The Woman that chooses to remain a virgin until she gets married will be bypassed by Men. If a Woman says no to sex, the odds are that the next one will.
Who really gives a fuck about about why there are no "good" men left? Really? Does it really matter? People are going to do their own thing, their own way, no way to really control them. Not everyone has to choose to be a "good" man anyway, it's really up to them to decide what is really "good" for them.
I think the whole MGTOW thing really should be changed to "Humans (or People)" Going Their Own Way or "Singles" Going Their Own Way instead.
Who gives a shit? Besides no one really has to, that is unless if they absolutely really want to.
Therefore, I think everyone can all just do their own thing, their own way, whenever, however, wherever, and whatever way they want to, think they want to or like to. If they don't want to be "good" then they don't need to or have to be "good".
Well as the years go by, i realize that there aren't many good men around. I wish i was back in uni. I rejected many good guys. Even now i do feel that i was too harsh on guys, in a way i blame myself and society. I was always taught to be independent and strive for the best and i do have my own career, house, friends, but i still come home to an empty house and its hard being alone. My only regret is not giving good guys a chance. I looked for status and that "bad boy persona" in a relationship and it left me with nothing. :'(
When I go to a uni I'm definitely going to try to be more receptive to the nice guys but from what I have heard most guys in college do not want anything serious
#ikissedtheskyonce I feel like the culture today has changed between men and women. The majority of men want sex and don't look for serious relationships. Its so different to when i was at uni. I guess you just have to go with your gut feeling, there is a chance that you might find a guy who might just be that guy who is a keeper (its rare tho) but if he does come along, be sure to give him a chance. Don't be like me and regret it. All the best to you :)
that's the problem though girls like her don't want to listen all we're trying to do is give them what's best for them
but to women like her that's not good enough you have to do more and us good men are sick and tired of having to live up to their expectations that's why a lot of us men are going our own way all of those years through manipulation and brainwashing is over it is
let her hit the wall cause that's what she wants
Because also most men that you believed they were straight before today are coming out gay hehe. or they are married or divorced with kids or single guys who do not like committment so there are no men out there
@kitty71 well you ain't look very hard that's for sure
@CancerianMan81 and where am I suppose to look? Tell me
@kitty71 anywhere
we're on the internet we're in the stores
@CancerianMan81 in the stores like me hitting on strangers randomly?
@kitty71 I do sometimes
@CancerianMan81 I dont have the guts to do it probably i will scare them away
I play it cool like I start off the conversation though and just go from there
that's if they want to talk
it ain't got to be nothing special hell you can just talk about the weather
I'm 55 years. old with a Daughter (20yrs) in College. She and her girlfriends say that "all the good ones (men) are taken" and that the rest are immature Boys. After going on Campus a few times I found myself agreeing with her! There are too few masculine young Men. My take...
- Feminisation of Education
- Boys being raised WITHOUT a Father
- Men being told that they are "potential rapists" when they arrive on College Campuses
- False Rape accusations
- Women set unbelievably high expectations on Men
- Chivalry and entitlement mentality
- College Women that are Feminists
Nah, there are plenty of good men they are VERY common.
We are only half way through the sexual revolution, women went first and you can see the results. Now it's men's turn to walk away from their traditional gender rolls of helper, builder, protector, provider, defender, and husband to women.
We will need to develop new norms and this change will be hard for many, the sexist detractors will bitch about things like "no good men left" hoping they can shame men back into their gender rolls.
I'm a good guy.
I'm good looking, muscular, have a good sense of humour, and highly intelligent, I'm an artist and animator, I love pleasing women, I would never have children with a woman unless I was certain I will always be there for them.
I have absolutely no interest in pursuing women whatsoever. I have no interest in marriage. I do not want any one of you women. There is nothing you can offer me except for sex, and porn replaces that. That reduces women to a womb. And I would not have children with a woman who is nothing more that a womb.
Women will never have me. They only have themselves to blame.
It must suck to be a women. While most think feminism is hurting men, i actually think it is women that it will hurt the most. Women often complain that men only want sex, or there are no good men and rubbish like that. Well too bad, this is what women wanted, now suck it up and deal with it. Women wanted to be independent and now you are independent, what do you need a man for right? That's the attitude most women have.
Feminism turned women into sex objects. Why is it that women complain men want only sex? Go figure.
In the end i focus on my career and play the women for sex, that's all they are to me, just fucked up pieces of junk
"Women are smarter than men."
If you count spending 45 or 60k to go to college and get a masters in English smarter... okay. I interviewed at a local university, the woman who interviewed me was about 29... very nice lady. Masters in Anthropology, did time at the British Museum. Currently was working in Admin for $16 an hour.
Women think there so intelligent because they have a degree. like my self am studying for a degree but that does not mean am any better than a person who is working at a supermarket if I don't land the job I want. Students like me are gonna end up in debt when we leave university...
@Indigo91 education isn't intelligence. it means they can follow directions, show up on time, remember how to do things for a short period of time so on. i dropped out of majoring computer science, i bet her masters was a cakewalk compared.
I spend most of my days on a university campus and I see a lot of what you mentioned: people (mainly women) who spend tens of thousands of dollars to get useless degrees.
We refer them to the 'would you like fries with that' degrees.
They include, but are not limited to: arts, psychology, linguistics, communications/journalism, environmental science (borders on being an oxymoron), theatre and even law.
I know an honours graduate in law who is working in a call centre, answering insurance questions. His fate is fairly typical.
Three weeks ago I met one of the new student counsellors. She had a PhD in linguistics. Only after she had invested 10 years in that plan and spent goodness knows how much money, did she realise that her qualification was worth zero in the job market.
People in general, but women in particular, seem to be unable to get their heads around the idea that if they want to make money with their degree it needs to be something in the line of science or engineering.
@cth96190 I have a snootty aunt like that she has a masters in sociology or something and works at a till in Lidl. My father who never got to college did fifty percent of it. She thinks the reason she is still single is because there are no good men out there but the truth is she doesn't deserve a good man because she is an awful person with nothing to offer and no longer able to get by on her looks.
@666threesixes666 Yeah they're training us to be obedient workers who follow rules. I know a post graduate smart ass who thinks of her self as all high and mighty, guess what she works at clothes shop.
@Righttobeararms83 Why is she at that stage in life where superman faces kryptonite lol... or should I say hit the wall?
@Indigo91 I suppose considering she used to use her youth and looks to get "high calibre" men who used to pump and dump her and now she's 35. This one guy who was a pakistani business man was cheating on his wife with her and the worst part is she actually ended up stalking him after he dumped her, so one time she calls me while following him and his long term mistress in the car to Dublin. Another time after she claimed he hit her we kicked his door in to find him with some other pump and dump when confronted he pissed himself and cried that she wouldn't leave him alone and showed us her texts. Some girls just dont deserve a great guy and are the cause of all their own problems.
@Righttobeararms83 i switched from computer classes to psychology/sociology classes. the blend of the two actually made far more sense to me than 1 or the other. social engineering rocks!
Actually, Women are getting more educated than Men. Intelligence is different than smarts. Biologically speaking, there are MORE GENIUS Men than GENIUS Women. Also, there are MORE STUPID Men than STUPID Women. On a bell curve, there are generally more Women of average intelligence than Men.
@MagiAlphaOne Yeah but only because feminism is pushing women further in to higher education rather than men. After all feminism is about mass privilege which only focuses and favors women by providing special treatments or requirements in supporting the female gender. Reasons why universities demand more female pupils than men because women have support men don't and these days men are being raised by single mothers who have no role model to be guided and usually turn to crime or low paid jobs according to statistics.
@Indigo91 , WELL SAID about Feminism and College. I'll add this... if a Man dates a recent College graduate, he better find out about her Financial situation. You don't want to get involved with someone with a lot of debt.
So, what your saying is men are too lazy to evolve just as women have? I think thats pretty freaking sad. Women no longer depend on a man money. But that means you need to bring other things to the plate like can you build something? Can you cook? are you emotionally intelligent. Really if women can change so can men.
Women didn't evolve as much as their restraints were released. Men never had any restraints (legally, biologically, etc.). They had the maximum amount of liberty society could provide. Therefore, women's relative progression over the years has superseded men's in leaps and bounds.
Men have been building things, empathizing and cooking for centuries. I'm not implying that men can't do those things. I'm saying that having those traits are more heavily emphasized in modern relationships because women can take over tasks that were traditionally male-orientated.
Yes, thats my point. We are supposed to compliment eachother and if women can do everything a man can do. Where do men fit in? Im just saying men can change , plus men today lack drive. Which turns women off.
I think we agree. "Where do men fit in?" I think a lot of guys are asking themselves the same question nowadays, and instead of stressing themselves out trying to land a date with a quality girl, it's easier for many to just lower their standards or depart from the game altogether. Some men lack drive nowadays. Therefore, I think we agree
Men never had legal restraints, but women did? Can you give me an example please?
@xXHelenaoftroyXx Laws outlawing divorce (even in cases of rape and abuse), laws outlawing birth control, labor laws which didn't protect a woman's right to work, colleges allocating funds in a discriminatory fashion before Title IX. etc.
Laws outlawing divorce. - applies to men. And where was this the case?
Laws outlawing birth control. - applies to men. Birth control pill was invented in the 1960's. So what, we're talking condoms, a male contraceptive.
Labor laws which didn't protect a woman's right to work. - What does that even mean?
Colleges allocating funds in a discriminatory fashion before Title IX. - You want me to assume that they discriminate against women. But ignoring that, that isn't a legal restraint.
@xXHelenaoftroyXx If you believe women had relatively fewer legal restrictions 50 years ago than they do today, you are free to believe that. Contraceptive rights arguably have a bigger effect on a woman than they do any man. The civil rights act made it illegal to discriminate against someone on the basis of sex. etc. I really don't want to go in to the U. S. code, cases etc. to prove how women were discriminated against. There are many books in the library on this fact
So you can't come up with anything, and have to resort to 'beliefs'. I'm the one addressing your argument, you are the one with only beliefs left.
@xXHelenaoftroyXx I just cited the Civil Rights Act of 1964, 42 U. S. C. Section 2000d et. al., Pub. L. 88-52, 78 Stat. 241 as evidence for my conclusions and said that there is a plethora of more information available for you to research
Your citation of the civil rights act... is NOT an example of a legal restraint. I asked you for an example of a legal restraint. So far you have managed to produce not one clear example.
Your pomposity in the face of your failure to achieve this is trying.
And it seems I must also remind you that YOU are the one who made the claim that there were legal restraints applied to women. So far you've managed to prove that this is a baseless statement.
@xXHelenaoftroyXx I see. You're focused on my imprecise use of language. I will concede that point to you to ease tension. To restate my point more precisely, the government did not restrict widespread discrimination of which it was well aware for decades. Therefore, the government did not actively restrict women's rights, yet it was complicit in the restriction of their rights until laws like the civil rights act. Such complicity constitutes restricting rights in my opinion, even if no legislation was passed.
So all it boils down to is your 'opinion'. And you have the gall to refer to that as me being focused on your 'imprecise' language, in an attempt to trivialize the fact that your original statement is simply an incorrect one.
We can safely conclude that YOU are the one who is free to believe what he chooses. And in light of your failure to substantiate your original statement, the entire argument you based it upon is invalid. Yet, you attempt to trivialize this. HAHAH. You're a trumped up college boy who thinks he's smarter than reality reveals him to be.
@xXHelenaoftroyXx We're arguing over language and not substance. My point was that women were relatively less liberated than they are today. I think you agree with this fact. I used incorrect language to convey that fact. I conceded my mistake, and for all you know, I work at Mickey D's
You assume I will agree because I'm a woman. My argument is not biased by my gender.
And no. Since I have already correctly identified you for what you are, I am clearly acutely aware of more than you suggest.
And to make it clear, I do not agree with you in the slightest. Your entire assertion is built upon nothing more than female and majority consensus. A narrative. Once upon a time, the consensus was that the earth is flat. Facts give rise to truth, consensus and 'opinion' does not constitute truth.
@xXHelenaoftroyXx Ok, I will agree to disagree that women were less liberated in the past than they are today
You do that, psuedo-intellectual.
@xXHelenaoftroyXx always seeing a bunch of narcissist's always trying to use reverse psychology well I call you out on your narcissism
I wonder how it does feel to hit the wall since that's all I see with women nowadays
@CancerianMan81 What on earth are you gibbering on about?
@xXHelenaoftroyXx I ain't going to point it out for ya you'll have to do that on you're own
@CancerianMan81
I'm 23. I haven't hit 'the wall'. I'd really like to know what this has to do with anything though.
@xXHelenaoftroyXx you're in the early stages of it
cause I can see it for myself
the problem is when all I see is women trying to change men into what they think is deemable ain't right by any means cause to me that's thinking less of the person when In reality you just made yourself worthless
instead of changing a person into what you think is deemable I think it's about time you change yourself cause if you didn't notice a lot of people are having a hard time with coming to terms with who they are cause of people like you are attacking them for who they are because of how they express their selves through their words and actions do you have a fucking right doing that no I don't think you do
@CancerianMan81 Excuse me, sir, but if you would actually take the time to read through the entirety of the thread, you would see I was actually defending men, and attacking feminism. You need to reign in your crusader attitude because your emotional tirade is of no use to anybody.
@CancerianMan81 Also, when people start attacking like you are, when I am trying to defend men from intellectual charlatans like this other guy that I was arguing with, I start to wonder why I bother, because you're clearly an idiot and deserve to be treated like a slave.
@xXHelenaoftroyXx it didn't look that way to me because it looked like you were attacking him on all sides and you ain't going to tell me otherwise and now your attacking me and the only person I see as a charlatan is you cause your trying to be someone that you're not you don't fucking fool me you damn fake ass piece of shit
at least for the MyTake owner I can give him credit for trying to come up with something that can help you on the other hand ain't doing that cause all your doing is making things worse by attacking him for what he's saying and doing and if you don't like his opinion you can just take your happy little ass and go somewhere else
@CancerianMan81
Oh my god. Just shut up. You idiot. You are a liability to men's human rights.
@xXHelenaoftroyXx no i'm the certainty of men's rights cause i am a man
and you don't get to make the claim to say other than what we are cause you don't know who we are
@CancerianMan81
What part of shut up don't you understand? You gibbering idiot. You are literally hindering the defence of your own gender, you astonishingly stupid person.
@xXHelenaoftroyXx and what part don't you understand that your the one that's being a gibbering idiot because you can't accept the fact that i am who I am and it's pissing you off that you can't fit me into the person that you think I am and I'm not the one creating the problem your the one that's creating the problem me on the other I'm standing up for being a man
in no way shape of form am i hindering my own gender cause I would never stoop that low cause I strive to goddamn hard
@CancerianMan81 Well, if you can not get a job and can't get defense for being abused by a spouse you didn't choose to marry in the past, how would you get out of it?
@Spikeandjet I didn't I played it smart by not getting caught up I didn't hit the wall
men dont lack drive the world is just now tailored to women.
@dudeman , I COMPLETE AGREE. The world is accommodating Women. Its called Gynocentrism. Men are increasingly getting fed up with Laws and Culture tearing them down. The Marriage rate is at an all time low. Women initiate 70% of the Divorces and 50% of Marriages fail. Men loose 50% or more of the Assets in a Divorce and some Men go to Jail because they simply can't afford to pay Alimony/Child Support. For Men, the risks are too high.
@dudeman tailored to women? Ok. Bro
we now live in a gynocentric matriarchy and have been for the last forty-fifty years.
This site is getting ridiculous. If everyone would get off of the Internet & actually engage in real life, they would see the real world is not like this. Everyday I see one of my friends from college is getting married.
All those trees in front of you must present an excellent picture of the forest.
I do get out and do things gym every other day including a spin class also a hobbyist/networking tec group once a week then some food shopping and dog walking even though I think I will always be socially awkward in real life no matter how much I work on it (asperges diagnosis as a kid) but honestly I could still get out more.
Thing is I'm doing software development so most of what I have to do is online then I get lonely as a result of sitting in front of my laptop all day and I get distracted and end up in online forums.
I also get very nervous when I think i'm unprepared for something and have difficulty keeping in contact with people.
Im thinking maybe I could get a VPN and go to a coffee shop or library to get work done so Im around people.
@Rawrzz lmao
One of the BIGGEST complaints from Men is that Western Women are stuck with their noses in their Phones. Women, during a date, PUT THE PHONE DOWN! OR BETTER, TURN IT OFF.
There are plenty of good men left. Women who say that should be booed outta here.
Exactly, it is just that most women who say that go after the wrong guys.
Or they're just whiny and really mean one guy they dated.
Many Women pursue the bad boy/jerk types and bypass the nice guy/good guy. These Women get used up by the bad boys and discarded. Only after this has happened a few times do they wake up (if ever). They then realize that there are good guys that were in her life. Now, those good guys are gone or no longer interested in her. What guy wants a Woman with a history of of sleeping around with multiple Men?
Internet fallacy.
Nice guys and nice girls meet and have nice relationships every day. If the guy is chasing chicks with "bad boys" he needs to examine what is drawing him to women. Bad bitches like bad men.
Lost me at "nowadays women are smarter than men." Your evidence is numbers of post-secondary graduates.
Education has nothing to do with intelligence. Women are offered more oppertunities and help from society to get that education.
Just because I did not have the opportunity to get an education does not mean I lack intelligance.
And if I'm not good enough for them because of this, as has been suggested by women, fuck them. They can have fun being alone.
Not all college degrees are created equal, women tend to get less valuable degrees. A college degree does not equate to higher intelligence.
A big change is that women who want an SO will have to work for it in diffenernt ways and be flexible in different ways.
Men won't be staying home in droves to raise kids, working women will need to make a choice as to which to prioritize. Millenias of generations have biologically set women up to raise kids. Don't think that is fair? Complain to Mother Nature.
Women who prioritize work over family may not be as happy as they hope since they have a genetically programmed role to play and vice versa for them males. I would guess that the women who feel a need to be the man will commit genetic suicide as they do not breed or breed well.
@cth96190 nailed it dead on.
Get out of here with your man-shaming. I've always been a gentleman. I never tried to get sex. I wanted a relationship. I got shit on. Hell, I just got dumped recently by a woman that I thought I clicked with better than anyone else. Her reasoning? I'm too nice for her, and I deserve someone better than her. Now, I've decided that I'm not going to bother anymore. I'm definitely not going to marry a woman who has had multiple sexual partners when I'm still waiting for the right person.
Lol I know for a fact that's not at all true, I know tons of great guys.
Also men and women have the same base intelligence really the only discernible difference is that men do better with singular tasks while women are more suited for multitasking in general and we're wired to think differently and approach problems differently but women aren't smarter then us and we're not smarter then them.
Not really a good mytake and your incorrect on several things.
Intelligence varies from country to country.
@JustheretoChill
All races have pretty much the same baseline intelligence now whether or not they have the schools and money, desire to advance it is another story.
Biologically speaking, there are MORE GENIUS Men than GENIUS Women. Also, there are MORE STUPID Men than STUPID Women. On a bell curve, there are generally more Women of average intelligence than Men. For more info, Google on "Sorry, Girls! But The Smartest People In The World Are All Men"