Deal breaker. I'm pretty ambitious myself so he may get annoyed with my prioritization of my schooling, career goals, and my wish to travel. I'm not saying that I'd push him to the back of my mind but he may feel like he has to compete for my time and energy which would be the truth. Especially if we want 2 completely different lives. I'd also probably feel somewhat frustrated if he started to undermined my efforts like some of the less ambitious people I know. I've had a few people tell me I'm wasting my time, energy, etc and it annoys me.
For me it's an absolute deal breaker. I'm a very active person, I love hitting the gym, learning new things and traveling. I don't need someone who earns much money as I have a well-paid job myself, but I would like to end up with someone who is working towards *some* goal in life or has something he is embrassingly passionate about. <3
It is a turn off. I don't need a guy to have a seven-year university plan with intentions of working for 6 figures by any means, but someone who is content with doing NOTHING just says that they don't care about the future and they don't care about themselves.
🤔 6k a month? That's pretty good higher then average how much do you expect him to make 100k a year?
Uh you misunderstood me. I did not say I want someone to make that much money. I literally said "I DON'T NEED A GUY WHO MAKES SIX FIGURES."
Oh right my mistake
I promise you, that if a guy read this before meeting you at a speed dating event, they would run away as quickly as possible. What you have said not only makes you sound like a Gold Digger, Not only do you sound materialistic, but you have come across as a woman who has no respect for men at all.
Who are you to demand what a man, a living breathing individual person, should or should not be? Who are you to not accept and love a man for who he is?
Now what is my point? My point is that there are plenty of men who are happy and content with their simple lives. They don't need the glamor, they don't need the big cars or the big house. They don't need some cushy job to feed their egos for status in society.
What a man has found happiness and peace with what he is doing with his life? What if he wants to enjoy it rather than trying to impress fake people who will never be on our deathbed?
The reaction of women to this question is why guys are going MGTOW. I say that as not a MGTOW.
I think your taking what she said out of proportion. She didn't say he needs a lucrative career but she doesn't want a some guy who works at target. I'm paraphrasing
@Apope16 For one, I have a boyfriend and like I pointed out I literally said: I don't need a guy who makes six figures. Literally a guy just needs to have a job lol. How does that make my a gold digger especially when my boyfriend made less money than me and became unemployed last ywar? 😂😂😂
@Apope16 Also if you'd like to follow me you can see me actually constantly defending men, claiming they are not required to pay for women and I also address men's issues. I've even written mytakes about it. So please tell me how saying a man doesn't need to have money or a great education makes me a gold digger again. Because I think you misread what I said. 😂
u Women who are looking for a potential spouse are usually looking for a man with ambition because they want to know that he will be able to support the family when she is at home taking care of the children. Living the rest of your life with a guy whose greatest accomplishment is reaching Level 25 on a video game doesn't sound too exciting!
It makes her a hypergamous prostitute.
You da man ✌
@bekkesmash Maybe you have had some bad experiences but. . . a woman who is thinking about marriage and staying home with her children, having a husband who can support them while she raised THEIR kids. . . that's not prostitution. That's just being realistic.
They aren't mutually exclusive, the guy being a future provider is a prerequisite for her to date him and in turn sleep with him. It's like paying a prostitute with a credit card.
@bekkesmash Your cynicism is underwhelming!
How am I wrong?
@bekkesmash There is no sense in me trying to convince you that you are wrong because attitudes such as your are based on feelings, not facts.
The exact opposite, facts and analytics.
@bekkesmash And your "facts and analytics" can't tell the difference between a prostitute and a potential future wife?
Not mutually exclusive, I am being pedantic, but I am right.
@bekkesmash There is a difference between being right and having yourself convinced that you are right.
Again, not mutually exclusive.
Well said @OlderAndWiser
In all honesty I'm ambitious myself so it's only natural I prefer a man who is also as we have common ground and understanding to make life work better for us. It's more of a team thing, you oh have things to offer.
I meant you both have things to offer each other. I feel like so many men are quite cynical about this. I don't want to have to depend on anyone to that extent, I'd rather know that I can manage my own life just fine, but both can build a better one together as a team.
I agree, but I'll add that I think a woman can also have the ambition to be a great mother to her children, and keeping a good home environment. I'm not there yet but I'm looking forward to raising kids with my husband soon.
Its a turn off because for women money is the mist IMPORTANT quality.
The use code words like ambition, vision, stability, so people dont think they are gold diggers. On a dating site a chic pulled the word ambition as something she wanted. With prodding ahe admitted it was more about money. Wealth.
Your right for the most part
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A turn off and a deal breaker for me.
Women are hypergamous and want a future provider, they won't accept lack of ambition because it means that the guy won't make substantial money for her and future offspring. It's a basic form of prostitution. Look at the results, men say it's ok, while for women it's a turn off or a deal breaker.
Why do you want someone who is "goal-driven, confident, hardworking and independent."? Think about that.
You want a guy like that because he is a future provider, that he could potentially financially support you and your offspring. He has to be a future money making prospect for you to date and in turn sleep with him. That's prostitution.
@bekkesmash you think, I don't have my own goals? That I am not goal-driven, confident, hardworking and independent? I am my own person and I can take care of myself too. I don't need another person to sustain my future or my future offspring. But if I meet that special someone to date or marry, I would want someone who's on the same page as me. Sure as hell I won't be anyone's sugar mommy.
You think prostitutes aren't sometimes richer and more accomplished than their clients? The guy doesn't need you to be a future money making prospect in order to sleep with you! But it's prerequisite for you. A poor unemployed guy can't afford your pussy.
Massive turn off.
Who wants a girl or guy who just sits at home doing nothing with their life and is not good at ANYTHING?
I doesn't have to be extreme what if she's content being a clerk at a grocery store or a tiller at the bank? Massive turn off or tolarent?
Turn off if she's content.
If she's a bank tiller studying for her masters in accounting or something that's fine.
Deal breaker?
Not a complete deal breaker, but she better be quite attractive and a genuinely nice person. You can make up for one thing with others.
Agreed
It's not so much that they need to be on the grind every single day making big things happen all the time, but when they are just like, you know whatever man, I just do what I do, and that's literally nothing, I can't see how that can help our future together. I want to accomplish things in my life and I work towards those things, and I'd want that in a partner. I'd want him to want me to have ambition because he has dreams for him and our future as well. So lack of ambition is a total deal breaker for me.
It's a deal breaker. Starts as a turn off but I'm speaking for ambition personally. I don't care how much you make, you just need to be able to support yourself and you need to have dreams. I dated a guy who was 23, working at McDonald's since he was 17, and no plans to change. Also high school dropout who would get his GED "someday". I broke up with him when I found out he cheated on me with someone the whole time anyways, nasty man hoe.
Girls are looking for how you'll support her and her lifestyle the way she is accustomed, along with her many offspring. If you lack ambition you'll not get to first base. Guaranteed.
Unless of course, she's one of these booty-call girls that are so popular in here. [shrug] Then they don't care, they're just wanting a pump and dump. :)
It would be a major dealbreaker but the definition of a lack of ambition differs from person to person.
If you're happy doing what you do and you're good at it and can live fairly well from the income it produces - I'm fine with that. Whatever it is, unless it is illegal
But if you have no ambition - I'll be turned off. Ambition is a top trait that attracts me to a potential partner
Ultimate deal breaker, no way in hell can I interlace my ambitious/determined energy with someone who is content with sitting at home all day staring at the wall. It's fine if he doesn't have a job yet/is looking - but at least have dreams/goals and be actively trying to pursue them otherwise you're just a lazy ass loser and I can't see a future with that.
Riiiiight. Because a man who is content and happy with where he is in his life is some couch potato, eating ice cream, jealous of athletic looking bodies on tv, and complaining about how they can't get a guy... oh wait... are we talking about men? or a coach potato woman?
It is amazing how quick a woman is to judge a man if he says he is not ambitious. She immediately stereotypes such a guy as jobless or some couch bum. Why? Because she subconsciously views 'ambitious' from the context of a gold digger wanting money and status. It cannot even fathom in her mind that a guy who is a construction worker making $50,000/year may not want to be the Manager of the company. He might have a good job, is hard working, and is content with his current circumstance. Many of the women commenting are so blinded by the dollar sign that they can't picture a guy like this.
Well, define ambitious. If being a good mother to your future children is ambitious, then please go ahead and be ambitious. If ambition means making a career and nothing can stop you from compromising, then I'd actually say I don't even like ambition in my partner.
Women are hypergamous and want a future provider, they won't accept lack of ambition because it means that the guy won't make substantial money for her and future offspring. It's a basic form of prostitution. Look at the results, men say it's ok, while for women it's a turn off or a deal breaker.
Huge turn off. They don't need to be raking in the cash but they do need to have some type of goal or ambition even if it's as simple as becoming the manager at a local store, but it needs to be something.
Why you gotta be a manger they get a shitty raise, stress and much more responsibility.
Majority of the the cons out weigh the pro's I use to work at Safeway and supervisor to manager was a $1 raise. At my current job my position could even make more money then the managers. All it's good for is to boss people around and a fancy tittle
I was more or less just using it as an example of a "smaller" ambition. Nobody has to be a manager. I just want a partner to have some sort of long term goal in mind. An electrician who is looking to upgrade their skills is another good example. Building up the family farm, having a family, going to school, getting a technical trade those are all valid goals. You just need to have something that get's you out of bed in the morning. Money isn't the main focus for me I just want them to have some sort of ambition.
Hell yes; even ambition in the relationship. I want someone who wants more from life than drinking and clubbing; someone who is always looking to improve themselves everyday, through the smallest things up to the bigger things 😊
Absolutely.
If we're on a date and all you can talk about is how much you hate your life and things can't get any better, then I'm convinced you're a dud.
Have you ever been a date where a guy has done that?
I tried being with someone with no ambition and it bothered me so much. I broke up with him because of it. Definitely a dealbreaker.
How old was he?
He's 25
Yea that's not good I'm tolerant when it comes to younge age like 18-22. Your still figuring shit out but 25 get your shit together
Exactly. He reminded me too much of myself when I was in high school/a freshman in college.
Yes, that would be a turn off to me. I want someone who is motivated, has goals, and is willing to work to meet those goals.
Depends on the level of lack of ambition. I'm not a super ambitious person but would still like to move up in my career.
I don't mind if he doesn't want to be at the top rank at his job but he shouldn't want to settle for the bottom either.
literally doesn't matter, you got looks and charm? you have the chick
you got money? she's yours... the only thing you do with ambition is shove it in your ass (not you personally lol ), its useless if you have something better
Yes bc everyone needs to at least know what they wanna do in their life
Ambition equals drive and passion which I like. And if you lack those traits we're a mismatch.
Women are hypergamous and want a future provider, they won't accept lack of ambition because it means that the guy won't make substantial money for her and future offspring. It's a basic form of prostitution. Look at the results, men say it's ok, while for women it's a turn off or a deal breaker.
@bekkesmash then don't date a woman if it bothers you so much? Srsly you're saying you want someone lazy as your partner.
Men don't really care if the women is unambitious, as they don't have a drive to be financially supported. If you need a man to be a future provider as a prerequisite, the guy literally has to pay to date and in turn sleep with you, that's prostitution.
@bekkesmash then don't date a woman. If it annoys you and your belifs so much. Easy peasy lemon squeezy
How am I wrong?
Lol what's your problem why you preaching to every girl on here. Speak for yourself, some guys care about they're partner having ambition as well. I definitly do. People in general care about partners ambition because they want someone to be succeful with. Sure some girls just want a sugar daddy but not all.
Honestly just either ignore or block him. He has a habit of doing nothing but stalking people (women) and going on about them. It's not even worth trying to educate him.
Try prove me wrong with something other than "he's wrong".
@RJGraveyTrain thank you =) I blocked him. I think he spammed all the female opinions with his cynical attitude. 😂😂
Definitely a turn off. I like when a woman has a goal and a passion.
I'm not a super ambitious person but i think at least some; all we need to have to move anything and relationship it's not different.
I don't get it either, real men have to be comfortable with themselves and have zero self doubt, at their peak, which means there's no room to improve. I don't get how they expect a guy to be at his peak but still go higher than that.
Because I'm intelligent and ambitious myself, I want similar in a partner. Simples.
if he is a couch potato, yeah it's a turn off
huge turn off.
I love to procrastinate.
What percentage of the population lacks ambition?
yeah it's actually a deal-breaker for me
Of course, why choose to not improve
Women are hypergamous and want a future provider, they won't accept lack of ambition because it means that the guy won't make substantial money for her and future offspring. It's a basic form of prostitution. Look at the results, men say it's ok, while for women it's a turn off or a deal breaker.
I know why I'm single , right on the spot !
Hell I don't even want a friend with no ambitions
There is study about that
This makes me sad because I'm lost at life rn
Yes definitely
sure
Completely so
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