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The common etiquette here in Chile is whoever invites pays... and don't give me that BS that women never ask, times have changed.
Anyway, I would still offer to split the bill or going dutch.
Times have changed, but women still expect men to ask, and therefore, to pay.
Times haven't changed. You're either a liar or grossly ignorant.
One of the most significant studies of its kind showed only a few years ago that less than 16% of women have ever asked a guy out, and none practice it as a rule. You use that BS rule as another means to take advantage of men, end of story. You can lie to yourself all you like, but intelligent and self-respecting men know what's happening even in the face of your lies.
@Chaz269 Taking advantage? why is that, when I'm willing to pay?
If it hurts that much, don't even bother asking and just wait for a woman to ask you out.
You'll offer to pay, but expect him to refuse. Which he'll do since society forces him to, as not paying is seen as cheap, and most girls will refuse him a second date if he wants them to pay their share.
@Guanfei I've already paid for dudes, so I don't expect them to say no. I also don't make fake offers so if I say I'll pay I really mean it.
The word "invite" here implies that person will pay. So if a man says "I invite you to (whatever)" and then suggests her to pay, of course he will be denied another date. However if the guy say "let's go to (insert something here)" it's okay to go dutch or split the bill.
I think whoever offered should pay.
I normally pay for things but I won’t be upset if she asked to split it
I think to split it is fair, but i also think that if someone invites you out for food, it shouldn't be a demand that you pay.
I always offer to pay the bill regardless of who I'm with, people can either accept or deny, I don't force it
The man should ALWAYS pay. If he can't afford to pay it all, he can't afford a girlfriend.
I will also add that the women I date are usually 19 to 25. I always ask on the first date, "Why do you like older men?" The number one reason is "Because they don't expect me to pay [for a date]". They are struggling through college and getting their career and life started. They can't afford to pay to go out. These women figured out that if they raise the age of the men they are dating, that older men haven't fallen for the bulls*t that boys their age have, and will instead take care of them, making their lives easier, not harder.
You don't have to pay but if you do you'll get extra points for it in my book.
Well yeah, everyone likes free stuff and attention. So why don't women do and buy stuff for men? I mean - EXTRA POINTS! Don't forget you're here to impress me! X'D
Well you'll get free stuff on second date if I like you on the first
Fair enough, sorry for bitching
No worries.. You don't get second time to give first impression specially if you like the girl.
Women who expect men to pay in this day and age are just selfish and greedy.
Most women I go out with insist on paying for their own stuff.
I'll buy the first drink. But dinner on first date? Don't be mental
Fuck that, go for coffee instead and avoid this whole drama.
The person who asks should pay, unless the other person insists on splitting, in which case they should accept gracefully.
I think the woman should pay as a way to show him that she is not a gold digging whore like so many are.
Depends largely on the woman. A real gem of a woman to watch for is one that will ask you out and make you dinner.
Man pay... That's it
Reasons, no need to say anything
It is a man's world, and it worth nothing without a woman.
Split that shit, they wanted equality so let’s give it to them.
I think I do want really matter. If a girl wants to pay i will fight her for it but if she seriously likes to be financially independent and wants to pay I'm okay with that.
My ex would never let me pay. He said it didn't feel right. 🤣 I offered I actually really wanted to pay, but he side tracked me secretly payed. 😐 He wouldn't even consider splitting. 😓
It depends on who does the asking. If the guy asks, he should pay. If the girl asks, she should pay.
Either go in with the intention of paying, or let your intentions be known BEFORE you get to the restaurant. Both are acceptable.
I'm old fashioned. The guy should pay. If she wants to go halfsies, it means we're just friends, and I blew it.
Id gladly pay it a girl had no income say she stays home with family and does not work outside the home. If she has a job like most modern women she damn sure better pay her way.
Split the bill on the first few dates, if your an average guy.
If you're a man and you got the money, splitting the bill - ever - is a shameful thing and wouldn't even cross the mind.
split it-it shows both can be just as committed as the other
depends if its a mutual liking then split it if not the women will let the man pay
feminism don't want equality they want to take over society. the moment a guy brings up the dating bill feminist instantly say the man should pay always.
Just pay... what does it matter... its just food., if you're taking her out on a date, come on. Let her enjoy the evening.☺
I don't mind paying on a first date. But then we aren't going to a fancy restaurant on a first date either. FIrst date is to learn about each other.
whoever is richer should pay. I hop eI will pay everyone's bill. I mean I hope I will be the richest one.
Always split on the first date.
That way, no chance of being taken advantage of, and if the date doesn't go well, well no one feels cheated.
My first date was a movie with my boyfriend and he paid for everything
I’m a woman , and I would appreciate if he’ll offer to pay , that’s a plus points for me but at the end I’ll always ask to split it , but I won’t remember him offering
Duh, the man should pay. He's taking her on a date, she's not taking him on one.
It wouldn't feel right to me if she paid. i was raised old school.
Whoever invited pays. Simple.
And when has a woman ever asked a man out on a first date...
For my part, all the time. Don't know what rock you're living under, but come out, times have changed 😑
He is right though. That rarely ever happens to any guy.
I don't doubt that it rarely happens. But with the right woman, it happens on a regular basis
That won’t really work because no man will ever agree to have a girl pay for his meal
@vald9inches WRONG. If he persists on it, many man will give up and let her do it.
Thats up to his discretion but most would refuse that
Don't worry, we don't wanna go out with you either if you won't let us pay
That’s totally fine i am not asking you to go out with me and i get plenty of girls even ones like you lol all i am saying is thats what most men would do. Men have an instinct to hunt and provide take that away from him and you take away his manhood.
@vald9inches " i am not asking you to go out with me and i get plenty of girls even ones like you lol ".
Cringe
Oh look here is your white knight lmfao and whats so cringy about that? I am just being honest unless thats just salt i smell coming from you? (; I mean don’t worry bud if you beg and white knight on your knees long enough a girl will one day have pity on you and take your virginity away lmfao
@vald9inches What does this have anything to do with white knighting you imbecile.
Or do you just throw around buzzwords because you have nothing else to say?
If you dont know why, what you said was cringe, i have nothing else to tell you.
Its obvious you are running to her protection because she is so obviously helpless and needs you to defend her even though our conversation had absolutely zero to do with you lmfao and yea I don’t need your lousy explanation as to why its cringy because I know and everyone else here knows that you are just whit knighting and salty af with your micro 1” inch baby dick and frustrated you can’t get laid and lose your virginity lmfao
@vald9inches
"Its obvious you are running to her protection because she is so obviously helpless and needs you to defend her ".
Man, and i thought women overthink too much. Cringe, bro.
Also seems like i hit a nerve
@SngBirdy wow is that really all you got? you dont have any other better comebacks other than qouting what i said and saying its cringy? there was zero overthinking this it was pure simple math 1+1=2 but whatever dude you are seriously trying way to hard here with your pathetic attempts to get me mad and everyone here can see it too lmfao but good luck losing your virginity kid ;)
@vald9inches "better comebacks ". Oh, you belong to those people who see the internet as a battleground. How many internet arguments have you won today?
Im also quite impressed if i can say that. I was certain i was talking to a 16 year old until i saw your age.
Its hard to stay this immature for such a long period of time. Thats a achievment in itself.
@SngBirdy lmfao hey congratulations!! you actually stood up for yourself!! we are making progress here! my friend life is a battleground weather on the internet or in real life if you don't back your shit up you are going to look weak in the eyes of everyone doesn't matter what kind of platform you are on. that little tip is on me ;)
@vald9inches I dont need to back anything up. You are cringe, immature and you are making a fool of yourself, and thats very obvious to anyone who has eyes.
You do all the backing for me already. Thats my last post.
@SngBirdy lmfao ok sure kid whatever helps you sleep at night lol
Realize you're one of a kind, the vast majority of girls won't ask. Times have changed, but this hasn't.
its the 21st century, but I still believe that a man should pay for the 1st date
If the man takes the woman out, the man should pay. It's not that big of a big deal.
always always always split the bill until the relationship becomes official
If girls wanna be like "MEN should do this or that" then she better be lady like and feminine herself.
I'd prefer to split, personally
Split it it’s not 1930
100% the man should pay. I wouldn't expect my date to pay half or all
I completely agree with Steve. As he said, real men already know they will pay on the first date.
But you do know that some women just go on first dates to get free meals and then never talk to you again right?
I know that some cars are lemons, some stocks fall, and some teams lose the game. If you never take a risk you never get the reward. Paying for a meal for someone is worth the opportunity for a long term relationship. I know some women do that, but I also know most don't.
Why no option for "the woman pays?" Or is equality selective?
Be prepared to be single forever. you sound cheap and that's a bad first impression. Dont invite a lady out if u can't pay.
lmfao I’m far from it and I’ve been with my girl for 12 years so don’t assume. I just saw this and I wanted to see what everyone thought lol chill out 😂😂😂 also most of the time I pay but my girl does pay for the transportation sometimes and pays sometimes aswell.
But you seem like a gold digger and don’t know how to be kind.
You know it really makes me curious about the thought process behind a woman who would say something like this. I personally have nice bit of emergency funds, so I could, if need be foot the bit for several dates. However I do think that in terms of equality, it is high time that both people in a relationship started paying their way.
Here's a thought, in regard to the first date and continued dates. If it's a one part date. Where there is dinner and a food desert. One pays for the dinner the other for the desert. If it's dinner and an activity such as roller skating, one person pays for the dinner and the other for the activity. It's a win-win situation! How does that scenario sound, @SouthernGirl23 and @massb? Figured I'd tag both of you since you were both apart of this discussion sub-thread. :)
Technically, you're as cheap as you claim he is, since you refuse to pay.
Also, don't call yourself a lady. You're considering guys as walking wallets, having to pay for your whims, you have no respect, no education.
You want a gentleman, but a gentleman deserves a real lady, which you are not.
@Guanfei exactly bro
You said first date now you're saying you've been with her for 12 years? lmao ok. just know you cheapskates will forever be on gag complaining and single🤣🤣😂😂😂😆😆
You do not ask a woman out then expect her to pay half. thats why all u guys are single 😆 cheap logic
You don't refuse to date a guy just because he doesn't pay you. That's a prostitute logic.
Guanfei I'm sorry but you're slow.
Coming from someone like you, that sounds like a compliment.
Sorry but you're a prostitute. I don't say that as an insult, but after you told us how you see things, that's what you are.
You're selling time and favors against money. You're a prostitute. At best, an escort.
@guan sorry you're broke, a virgin, need a job, and to stop living under mommy
Split unless it is clear otherwise.
they dont have to but in they insist
Split the bill or the woman pays
A coffee date is literally $2 and it's a good date setting to get to know someone
Well if it's that cheap, you can pay.
😂😂😂😂
Simps always pay...
Thank you lol
Split the bill
I’m happy that i live in the netherlands
Why what does that have to do
Woman are less sexist here and pay for their own shit
My girlfriend pays for our dates
That sounds like a catch 22 to be honest.
The modern etiquette is that whomever asks pays.
I offer to pay, if they are ok with, I’m good
I would prefer him to pay
Everyone would prefer free stuff, attention, and gestures of affection. It's not something that's limited to females or that has to be a one way street.
Split it unless you really want to pay it all
I can't let a women pay for me so no
l would always pay thats just me
The woman should pay
Yes , splitting the bill is fair on a first date
If it's me asking her