What's your take on "MGTOW"? Men going their own way?

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Definition:Going Their Own Way is a mostly pseudonymous online community of men supported by websites and social media presences cautioning men against serious romantic relationships with women, especially marriage. The community is part of what is more broadly termed the manosphere.

What I think:

MGTOW "movement " as they call it is stupid. Men have exhibited this behavior for decades without the "MGTOW" title. The tables have now turned where women dont need you, can care for themselves, and make more money than men, dont settle.

Just_A_Guy2018 · Accepted Answer

Okay first off it is not a movement as there are no leaders. It is a philosophy, one of many ways to live ones life.

These men have chosen to simply not ever get married. They have chosen to remain Bachelors. That's it, that is the one golden rule of Mgtow. Anything more than that, it is up to each individual male to decide what he wants to do with his life.

Now since my wife died 4 years ago and I outright refuse to get married again. I can be considered Mgtow. You are calling me stupid for this choice.

I refuse to date women, I refuse to sleep with women, I refuse to help women. I refuse to protect women, I refuse to provide for women, I refuse to speak to women. All of these things are my choice to make and calling me stupid only validates my reasoning why I made these choices. It is my life and I will do with it as I please, not as how you want me to.

Mgtow men do not care what you call them, they do not care what you think of them. Your opinion is worthless to them. They have left the plantation and do not care that you are having a little hissy fit, stomping your feet and making a scene for attention.

So go ahead and call me a coward for not wanting to get married again. Go ahead and call me stupid for choosing to remain single. Go ahead and use shaming language against me. Go ahead and project all the vile crap your sadistic brain can conjure because I made a choice to remain a bachelor and not marry again after my wife died. Your worst can never ever come close to the pain and heart break I have lived.

ChrisTruthseeker · Accepted Answer

I've looked into both sides over the years.
Feminism has it's valid points.
MGTOW and Red Pill groups have their valid points as well.
There are also extremists in both groups (Feminists and MGTOW ) that are pushing some bullshit as well.
They take it little too far and forget that both sexes areccapable of some pretty nasty shit.
I just take whatever truth I can find from it.
After being in a toxic marriage and being completely taken advantage of I can relate to some of their stories.
Not all of it, but there's definitely truth to some of it.

Anonymous · Accepted Answer

They are the same as feminists. Both sides have bitterness towards the opposite sex and seem to believe that they're so oppressed by the other. Neither side are honest about the bad sides of their own sex, only the opposite sex, and therefore are almost never balanced. That's why people compare them.

Take the idea of male privilege for example. Feminists often say that men are privileged and they can't see their privilege. Often with MGTOWs this is true because they think that life is so easy for women and that we have no problems when we obviously do, they think that they have no advantages over us which they do. This is because they're so focused on their own problems. Feminists are the same. We have our own privileges and advantages that men don't have, and men have many problems that we don't have, but feminists don't see that either for the same reason.

If people were more able to see the other side's points and stop focusing so much on their own, trying to play victim olympics with the opposite side, there wouldn't be so much animosity between the two groups. Why can't we all just agree that we're all eating a giant shit sandwich?

Anonymous · Accepted Answer

let them get on with it it doesn't effect me or what i have planned for my life. when guys go MGTOW i immediately think, what do they think we are missing out on exactly. they are not any more special or better than anyone else, everyone has their own believes or inflated sense of self to the point they can only see from their level of perception. Only if you are lacking in yourself you will need a man to fill that void. It sucks to be alone but it's not worth the hassle half the time.
let people get on with their own peculiar shit, walk away from those that don't serve you and enjoy little things in life despite the crazy shit going on. <3

Logorithim · Answer

I don't understand why they don't try harder to meet women, to think outside the box.

hellionthesagereborn · Answer

Well one I think its a big sign that women like yourself should not overlook. Men are biologically wired to cater to women, to sacrifice for women to want/need women to feel fulfilled, now they are abandoning women. That says a lot. Your reaction does as well. For one thing it give a hint of why they are walking away from women but also that your words are rather hollow. If you didn't need them you wouldn't be upset, you would be indifferent after all you don't need them and it will have no impact on you, yet it does clearly bother you, maybe not a significant amount but enough. The fact is you do need men this is just an undeniable fact, without men you have no society, you will die, period. So on a personal level you can claim you don't and maybe its some what true (you won't be happy but you will be able to live, well live within the society that is built and maintained by men (statistically speaking)), but on a large scale level men walking away is quite detrimental. See society relies on men for several reasons, one is that men over produce. Statistically men are responsible for almost 70% of all income generated YET women are responsible for 80% of all spending meaning that women spend their own money but spend mens money even more. Its also been shown that on average men produce 200x more in taxes while women are a net loss (being more likely to use welfare, have lower paying jobs, work less and push for more social programs (which again, take money from men and redistribute it to primarily women (hence you being able to claim that you can live without men, you can because you believe that you can take the resources and wealth of men and the benefits that come with them (if your even aware of what is happening, its possible you don't even realize that's what is happening) creating society and maintaining it (we don't have female miners or oil rig workers, barely any in construction (and the few that do are not doing the physically intense work), police, fire, and military, etc. etc.)). Another reason that we need men in society is to defend and protect as well as do all the physical demanding and dangerous jobs as women will NOT do them (as statistics show). So that's why this bothers you, because if men stop being engaged they stop working, they stop innovating they stop producing and that is a very bad thing (for women but also for society as a whole).

Anonymous · Answer

The author of this question says it all! Asking a question followed immediately with insults, clueless blather and no clue what men really think is a prime example of why men are going MGTOW. it’s obvious she doesn't care to entertain the chance that men may have a valid reason.

Calling men INCELs demonstrated her ignorance as the vast majority of guys that go Mgtow are once married men. The angry rants on web sites about male issues are the equivalent of AA. It’s men venting to other men who understand and thier stories let men know they are not alone in the world. Just like AA the support and venting leads to acceptance and letting go of the anger and hurt. Men will slowly melt away to being happy going thier own way.. like AA those that have found a road to recovery will seek the support less but will pop up for confirmation of why they chose to. Remain independent.

I assume the author of this question calling men INCELs is typical of shunned sluts so tit for tat. FYI most Mgtow don’t adopt abstinence, just avoid commitment. Finding a one nighter has never been easier. Feminism has convinced young women to be as promiscuous as men, usually in their best years for youthful beauty and fertility. Those who go Mgtow are usually older and once badly burned in marriage or relationship. at that age of generally in their late 20s and early 30s and are making more money then those younger men and are the choice of young career women that don’t want a relationship but want sex with men that likewise don’t want commitment but have enough money to treat those hookups to nice dates and a home not in thier parents basement or a cheep bachelor suit with milk crate furniture and deck chairs.

Those guys that never had much game will probably have a decent income at the same 30 ish timeline and when they need to scratch that itch can afford an occasional professional.

Lastly, news flash, men don’t care if you are a successful career women. unlike most women men will date down. that degree you have usually comes with huge Dept that smart men avoid like the plague. We do care if you had lots of partners in your 20s, in evolutionary terms the animal brain associates a high body count with infertility and disease meaning bad I vestment for basic procreation. Women who indulge also Carya potion of the DNA from every man before, this creates hormonal and pheromonal. Indicator to warn off men. These changes actually make women less able to create the chemical bond that creates the condition of infatuation that is one of the ways to get get and retain a mate and provider for the duration when a women is vulnerable and needs reso and protection for breeding. That chemical reaction usually lasts for only a few years that coincides with the early stages of a babies development. The timeline coinc with the years needed for a human baby to at least be independently mobile and less vulnerable. That same chemical bond is lacking with age and high numbers of partners. That same chemical process is what creates the instant bond between mother and baby.

BrittBratt2416 · Answer

No offense to real men, but it's bunch of bitter bitches who claim to be going there own way but complain about women and feminism 95% percent of the time. If you're mgtow and going your own way, then why are you talking/complaining about women/marriage/dating my man? Go off the grid like you said you were and just go your own way. Stop worrying about stuff you've claimed to leave behind, if i was a man that was mgtow I would be enjoying my life as a single, non married, childless man who made his paper. I would have hobbies, i would hit my friends, and hell depending on my job.. I would do some traveling If I could. So for the mgtows still talking about women... you're not really mgtow.. just admit your're a bitter, lonely, sexual frustrated man that wants to be loved and possible have a girlfriend/wife and kids but your past or society views have greatly messed you up. For the mgtows that ARE actually going their own way and not complaining about women and feminism ever 24/7 high five cause your actually living up to what your're doing.

Vankor · Answer

So, basically MGTOW in a nut shell. Men who go their own way are men who are sick and tired of the bullshit women put them through. For example, women who get pregnant by another man but are forced to pay child support for a kid that isn't there's. Men who get fucked by divorce from women who have cheated on them. Men who are tried of dating cheaters. Men who end up in verbal and physically abusive relationships with women. It's about men standing up for themselves and moving on. Unlike femnazis whi want to force unrealistic ideas on the world mgtow is men basically saying "we've had enough of your shot and we dont need you" so basically that individual makes choice to either not deal with women or start looking for women who have respect for a man and respect for the relationship. As far as agreeing with them or disagreeing with them, unless your a man in a relationship like that with one of these "women" you probably dont know what it's like since society always favors the females and tends to take the female side so what other choice do these men who have been in these relationships that are tired of dealing with women like this can do? And there you have MGTOW.

truthbeknown · Answer

MGTOW is basically men who don't want to get married and spend the rest of their lives devoting 98% of his paycheck catering to her, her house, and her kids only to have her want a divorce, take everything he has worked for and prevent him from seeing his own children. It's for men who don't want to settle down and have a girlfriend that says he can't play video games, can't see his buddies, can't enjoy his other hobbies because she demands he spends time only with her doing what she wants. You are right. Some women don't need men. They can have very successful lives and careers on their own. Good for you. I always laugh at women like you because you just can't just let it go. You have to show how much it bothers you that some guys aren't going to let you boss them around. LOL, call men stupid because they won't put up with your shit.

OnlyYouKnowThat · Answer

I have mixed feelings about it. There are some guys who have been genuinely burnt by bad women and so they are reluctant to commit again, once burnt, twice shy so they say. Then there are guys who are frustrated and angry with women in general because girls won't fuck them and some of those guys have really shitty attitudes. So my feelings are mixed, some of it is good where it promotes mens rights, better child custody rights, better health, encouraging men to be more financially responsible and independent etc. I think that side of MGTOW is good. But the frustrated losers who just hate women and all of their thoughts and opinions about women are based on memes I think that makes MGTOW look shit.

yeeeeeeeet · Answer

Why would you need to even worry about it? Its in the name, let them go their own way. Its pretty obvious they had bad encounters with women their entire lives, so when more women come out and roast them for it it just makes them more bitter. Why not just leave them alone and let them calm down. It's practically a phase, but when you start bashing them for it and rubbing it in, it makes it last longer.

Thats how I see it. I'm not in the business of judging and shittalking people that are clearly distressed already.

Hurlyburly · Answer

I do not have anything against those who are actually going their own way, good for them, if they are happier alone so be it. But the ones who just cannot stop bitching around about women are annoying as fuck.
And they also make the whole movement stand in a damn bad light.

JackJPershing · Answer

It really depends.

1. Some men who call themselves MGTOW are really just InCels (involuntary celebrates) who couldn't get laid if they were handing out pardons at a women's prison. They are bitter and are MGTOW only because they have no alternative. If a desirable lady said yes, they'd drop MGTOW tomorrow.

2. Some went through horrific divorces and have sworn off long term relationships, not women.

3. Some are friends of guys in point #2 and wish to avoid it.

4. Some are looking at the increasing pronouncements that regret after consent = rape and are just saying "F it."

There are probably other subgroups, but these seem to be the most prevalent. Group 1 has the most really vocal misogynists. THOSE guys are the ones I find pathetic. The rest I understand.

princessfromjupiter · Answer

I agree, just a bunch of incels who had to come up with some funky little title for their sad situation because they thought that would somehow help them get over it or provide them with some sort of excuse to shift the blame for it.. It's whatever though, they're most not gonna reproduce so the next generation won't have to worry about as many of them.

MarilynMansonsSlvt · Answer

The problem isn't that they don't date. It's that they use this as an excuse to be sexist towards women. One on this site told me that women are only useful as "sex toys, personal maids, and baby-making machines".
xx
~ Mrs Manson

ATuairiscean · Answer

My view is the same as most of these movements once they do no harm or impinge on others, they are fine. Many of these movements in the purest sense are harmless maybe even good for some but some people take it over the top and become harmful and annoying

englisc · Answer

Most of them are incels in denial, who like to pretend that they're the ones avoiding relationships with women and not the other way around.

They are like feminists actually - mostly unattractive losers who constantly complain about how oppressed they are, how shitty the opposite sex is, and how much they prefer money and things instead.

Neither side has many children however - it's the weak weeding themselves out of the gene pool I guess.

ThatItalianBastard · Answer

I wish there was an inbetween answer saying something on the lines of "I don't care either way." Because that's my take from it.

I understand the existence of MGTOW is to combat the man-bashing that has happened in the 21st century and move for reform in the legal system to make it completely unbias. Since there are a fair amount of crimes that give woman more flexibility and softer punishments as opposed to men. Not to mention the idea that a man can't be taken seriously as a victim in a sexual assault, which is quite troubling to me and I am all for that kind of reform.

But it also falls victim to the same fate as the feminist movement, however less apparent. And that is the members that use the MGTOW title to woman-bash. It's not what the movement is about and it hurts the cause. Feminism falls under the same scrutiny for man-bashing although on a much larger scale due to the size of the movement.

I'm for the message, support the message. The movement however isn't for me.

Anonymous · Answer

Some men have acted this way in the past and that’s not weird given the diversity of people, but MGTOW as a philosophy and in the modern context has not occurred before.

Whether or not women need men doesn’t really have anything to do with it, although in the strictest sense, of course on half of the population needs the other, it’s just moronic to think it doesn’t.

What it does have to do with is risk and reward and personal wellbeing; survival in the modern social landscape.

I’m not MGTOW but I kinda wish I could be. They’re almost like monks that have given up worldly desires and pursue nobler things.

PullnoPunches · Answer

MGTOW is belief system that's a mix of anti-feminism and MRA. It can be nebulous term that includes many people. It's main point of contention is that Marriage in the developed world has absolutely no benefit for the man, and it is a government enforced institution that solely benefits women. As such it comes to the conclusion that men should never get married, and on extreme notes not even entertain LTR.

ausmaster · Answer

If they get popular, I wouldn't be surprised. Just like the Proud Boys, it's a group that is basically the has stances that are polar opposite of the "Progressive" left. Wouldn't be surprised if men just got tired of Feminazi bullshit and had a huge movement to not be involved with women anymore. Sad reality, but I'm not surprised if it happened.

N192K001 · Answer

Their diagnosis seems correct, but their prescribed medicine seems horrific. I prefer the Men's Rights movement.

M. G. T. O. W. seems ultimately destructive to society and based on the cancerous plagues of malice, bitterness, and resentment. You can fight for your own rights and still not hold malice for your opponents.

Juxtapose · Answer

For people going their own way, they seem awfully intent to complain about women a lot.

I'm single myself and sometimes enter into casual encounters, but I'm pretty happy with my life right now and wake up feeling good :) I'm just waiting for someone who's really worth the hassle of a relationship before I get into it again.

castratedwhiteguy · Answer

The last article you wrote did a pretty good job of describing women going their own way and why women don't need men anymore. MGTOW is a natural reaction to the destructive words and behavior that men have had to listen to from women going back to the late 1960's. So guess what? We don't need women either!

GreatnessBack · Answer

No, from my understanding, MGTOW is supposed to be about a man putting himself first. That's how I saw it.
I am not MGTOW. I do go my own way, but I have a lady to go with me.
Lots of other dudes used it to bash women in the same way that women use feminism to bash men.
It's all sad.

A-man-22 · Answer

I see their points but they go about it incorrectly.

Women have so much choice in dating they have gotten ridiculously picky.

Removing themselves from dating does reduce the amount of choice women have but it's not going to make any significant difference.

Having more men's movements is always a good thing as well.

Ellie-V · Answer

I think the MGTOW movement is dumb for the most part. A lot of them seem to be whiners. Some of them have sense tho. But honestly... they have no affect on my life at all. So I don’t really care.

Anonymous · Answer

I used to be all against it when it first appeared. I figured it was stupid to give up on women, I called these guys losers, even though I was a virgin myself, I didn't have such a quitter mentality. Years went by, I got rejected by tons and tons of women more on top of the billion rejections I already had, and in the end I became the very thing I laughed at. I don't officially identify with MGTOW or participate in any groups and meetings, but I have given up on women and accepted the fact that I will never know what it feels like to kiss someone on the lips. So for some guys, this kind of life is almost inevitable...

humor_me · Answer

Personally i can relate to MGTOW. Much of what is discussed hits home on a personal level. I must also say that, unfortunately, some guys that identify with MGTOW have serious (and perhaps extreme) woman issues.

Me... I am probably more of a purple pill that a red pill. DEFINITELY NOT a blue pill.

Lance1965 · Answer

Get used to it. Times are changing. So often now if you ask a single guy if they want a woman the response is hell no! Guys still crave sex but are no longer interested in the drama and BS associated with being in a serious relationship. MGTOW was born out of men being fucked over in divorce court and till the laws are changed it will continue to grow.

esotericstory · Answer

Together with feminism it is the strongest force in the western world that tries to convince men and women not to procreate. It only makes material arguments like feminism does, it only cares about immediate financial well being and assets. It cares not about community building. It is terribly accelerationist and reactionary.

FriendlyDrugDealer · Answer

So they took a vow of celibacy and choose to avoid women in the romantic sense? I personally don’t mind, more for me.

Feminism pretty much means equality for everyone but this really seems to go over the heads of people or they willingly choose to ignore it on some trolling purpose.

So if men feel “threatened “ by women and choose not to accept them is perfectly fine with me and everyone else

AcidT0y · Answer

I think the whole movement is just a massive overreaction caused by frustration with modern feminism.

I'm not happy with the way feminism operates at present but this to me seems like a childish and frankly, insane response to it.

Aenetoo · Answer

Regardless of political feelings, when boy meets girl it's all thrown aside. I think both extreme feminism and mgtow are silly. Humans are driven by hormones to make babies. Not much you can do about that.

Anonymous · Answer

I agree with most of MGTOW and
you women kinda put yourself in a bad spot now
we don't like you anymore

yeah we will fuck a girl
but actually like you women
NOPE!!!

you women are stupid
you women like evil
and you look to take advantage so
yeah

what's the point of keeping you around?
there is no reason
cause the sex is not worth it
or good enough

andreasderjuengere · Answer

If I do go ''my own way'' - I'd certainly not need a ''movement'' for this. It's a ridiculous and pathetic way to respond to ''social pressures''. Girlish, if you ask me.

Jackblue · Answer

Ms. you talk about women not needing a man and then call it stupid when men say they don't need a woman.

Blightly · Answer

mgtow is the male version of 21st century feminism. they hate women and don't want to admit it, they try to be the good people. i understand some of what they go after, but for the most part they generalize women across the board doing stupid things

Mexicoman101 · Answer

Sad people who are afraid of the world in a way that hurts them.

JustWorthlessMe · Answer

I was 100% with you until "don't settle".

Considering how many men the average (and below) woman rejects in a given week, the thought of them settling is laughable.

Now if you're talking about women who have hit middle age and now are desperate and THEN settle for a man not in the top 10%, then I agree.

TheAceholeSupreme666 · Answer

oh, that's a bunch of nonsense. reminds me of "NO MA'AM" from "Married With Children". Complete Balderdash.

sp33d · Answer

When I first heard about MGTOW I thought it's exactly what's in the name: men that go their own way. I was disappointed to learn it primarly consists of bitter, let's call them, men, for lack of a better word.

Alessus · Answer

I'm indifferent to it, if those people want to follow such an agenda, so be it, so long as they don't break any laws.

Jonny317 · Answer

Pathetic group of cowards who don’t want to improve themselves

HelpImInABox · Answer

Both MGTOW and feminism are cancer. Fuck labels, be your own person and stop subscribing to retarded ideologies.

Chaz269 · Answer

You grossly misunderstand MGTOW. Then you shame others who don't share your ignorance?  Interesting.

WhoDatGuy · Answer

Mgtow is just about not following the perceived path. Of get married and settle down. Marriage is a scam and only benefits women

Northern_star · Answer

if i would to judge, based on your take on mgtow, id say you have to woman up and think again.. its absolutely the opposite.

Anonymous · Answer

I certainly don't allign with them, but I do think it's hilarious how pissed women get when men say we aren't paying for you nor giving you out sperm.

PrettyRegular · Answer

I'm all for the freedom of choice. In my mind they are wasting time, but it's their choice.

bamesjond0069 · Answer

I agree with it in general but there are still good women left. They are not career oriented and they are not socialist/commie/sjws. Those women are just for sex. And tbh, men don't need to get married any more. That ship has sailed, sorry ladies only a loser will marry you. But to write off women completely? Nah I like sex.

NerdInDenial · Answer

The most common mistake people have is conflating MGTOW with MRM (Men’s Rights Movement)

Rangers · Answer

Let them do them. If they don't want a girlfriend, that's their thing

Cookie8888 · Answer

It's fine. They have every right to do it, and they have every right to be loud about it. It hurts no-one.

DogEatsCat1973 · Answer

If I had to choose I would choose MGTOW because why would I want to join feminism that says I am nothing more than garbage, that it is fun to torture, maim, kill, and dispose of ALL men on Earth?

Anonymous · Answer

Despicable mostly gay losers that are way worse than feminists. Stay away from the dweebs. They hate women.

grega239 · Answer

mgtow is the result of feminist bs. the mouse utopia is a good depiction of that

Kiran04 · Answer

It's perfectly understandable. With the system rigged against men at virtually every turn, it's a bigger mystery as to why more men aren't MGTOW.

TheUglyMan · Answer

I dont disagree with it in principle but a lot of the guys there are dumb

Anonymous · Answer

yet i still see women wanting to get married, ALL. THE. TIME

wouterv · Answer

Why should i care its less then 1% of all humans on earth

Anonymous · Answer

I agree somewhat, I think the world would be better off if men and women were segregated from each other

Hispanic-Cool-Guy · Answer

My brain tells me it's stupid.

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