Both. Men are stigmatized for being short and/or bald and it doesn't make dating life easy for them. It becomes easy to develop a toxic attitude, but doing so just takes away the chances you have left.
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yes!!! some of the shit they say 'im not attractive' 'im not rich' im not this or that, like dude ur a 7 if u shaved ur "beard" and got clean clothes. just talk about something other than ur low self esteeme and u will be fine. its really not that hard.
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From the ones I've met, yup. They tend to be toxic as hell and have a warped perception.
I think that men who call themselves incels are unattractive and insane.
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Incel here, make whatever strawman you want to believe of me for being one.
One frequently misunderstood point about incels is that you can only take conscious, personally accountable charge of what you control (and we do, for much your personal butthurt prefers to cherrypick and indulge your confirmation bias), but that doesn't mean denying or covering your eyes when there are external, systemic and natural hierarchies (either biological or cultural) rigging the outcomes. Regardless of whether those hierarchies are inevitable or not, forcing your liberal meritocratic sense of personal responsibility will only further reproduce ingrained inequities.
Perhaps you could drop your condescending focus on empathizing with worldviews but taking a look at objective, external realities to individuals that yet affect them.
Actually taking responsibility is a conservative spproach. Wining about the rest of the world causing your problems is a liberal approach. The rest of the world is not punishing you. You are responsible for your actions. Wining and complaining about women and the world is only making you less attractive. So if your goal is to aound patheticand never be worthy of a relationship, then you're doing a great job
I recommend you to actually take responsibility for yourself and your own shit cognitive biases instead, go read about the just world fallacy instead of being an uncivilized ape.
There is nothing pampered or privileged about me. I have lived on my own for 4 years and fully financially support myself. I work a full time job and have worked up to 63 hours a week to provide for myself and support my future. I take full responsibility for myself and my actions
>thinks she's not pampered for living on her own for 4 years LOL, go tell your daddy about that if he didn't abandon you for being a shitty kid or something. >works 63 hrs a week yet finds time to shitpost a plethora of mytakes on GAG Yeah yeah, to think you could've invested such time in learning not to be human trash and actually being empathetic and philosophically self aware instead. Spare me your hypocritical nonsense, you act like some humiliated retard who fucked up hard once, hates herself but is in denial and now is trying too hard to cover up for her insecurities by shitting at herself at others. You wonder why some many old people regret your way of being and perhaps you'll learn a thing or two instead of being a retarded whore who can't even get proper culture nor education and thinks of herself as worthy for shitty work ethics she knows little about, other than she feels validated for it.
If anything, you're the retarded liberal who buys meritocratic bullshit because she can't think in an intellectually honest way about the necessary principles for it to work, you're like a shitty post-Marxist thinking we already live an egalitarian society with equal opportunities for everyone regardless of objective material and physical conditions or distribution of power.
You're nothing but a first-world ginger whore who knows shit about the rest of the world or the people other than herself, you're the kind of retard who can't see beyond her own nose until she lives crap but who cares, all in all everyone treats super well and pampered cute tiny faces of your kind.
You're morally disgusting and at this point it doesn't even matter if you become aware of it, because you couldn't do shit either for creating a better world for anyone but your own individualistic self.
I'm a registered Republican and very conservative in my beliefs. I do not believe in a Marxist or socialistic society. Intellectual, a socialist or Marxist society would not work, so there's no way to think that it would. Everyone is equal under the law. Any inequality you experience is self-made
Everyone on this site lives in the first world, so you properly shouldn't be so hypocritical with that insult. I love being a ginger and my boyfriend loves that I'm a ginger as well. Considering I've never slept with anyone, much less for money, I'm not a whore by definition. I am not retarded, but my brother is. That is a medical diagnosis, so you shouldn't accuse people of being so without a medical degree. I have experienced more in my lifetime than most people, and the fact that I've made it through is the reason why I understand how to help people understand what their own problems in life are. Nobody Pampers me except myself. I hold myself to the same morals most religions do, so I'm the exact opposite of morally disgusting by objective opinion
Oh, look at that, a murican sweetie thinks she's rahpablikan cuz she followed daddy's word, what a miracle of female critical thinking who doesn't even stop to reflect on the ideological weight of her actions as long as she's loyally pleasing her cock in turn.
You're one hell of a moron not to realize that's shit because I'm neither from a first world country and I know I'm not the only one, further proof you're so fucking pampered you can't bother knowing who's in front of you. If you think you've experienced more in life that's because you're a retard who can't connect the dots between experience and time nor learn to be humble about it, just like any edgy teen who thinks she knows shit she doesn't. Your level of self awareness is that of any random slut you can find here; they get special treatment from everyone for their looks, without realizing until they get older, uglier and abandoned and they're forced to wonder wtf happened. You're so unprepared for real bullshit that at this point I kinda pity you.
You're the kind of idiot who doesn't figure why her platitudinal advice doesn't work out in an objective, externally hierarchized reality and perhaps honestly believes her shit actually helps, because end of the day you don't have to take shit charge for when it fails or is not falsifiable in a Popperian sense.
You obviously weren't expected to put particularly any notable effort in life (yet you think you do, because you wouldn't be able to live with yourself otherwise) and that's why you're like this, it's a f*** cliche.
If you want to talk big on your own responsibilities, learn a thing or two and read philosophy for your own personal sake if you don't give a shit about others.
My life is pretty great right now, so that's proof my advice works out. People who take my advice end up with better results. My advice has lead me to find the perfect man for me who is protective, loyal, and intelligent. He is everything a girl could want from a guy, especially his height and attractiveness. So you're not fooling anyone because I know my boyfriend and I found each other because we were meant for each other and deserve to be together because we treat people right and are morally sound. Our future together will be so blissful, we won't even be able to hear your groans in the gutter below. I work hard now in life so I will he able to support my boyfriend and any future children we may have. I will keep his health and happiness as my main responsibility in life, and that's more than anybody could say for you
You're honestly stupid and incapable of putting yourself in other people's shoes who won't fit your cherrypicked "patients", aren't you? It's like you don't even realize how what you call help is basically projecting shitty platitudes from your own experience that aren't doing the job themselves nor are seeing who is really in front of you.
I'm glad you won't ever have to be born under another skin, because you completely suck at thinking of anyone else but yourself. Perhaps it's best that human garbage like you keep in your social bubble, foreign to others real problems so that people who can actually listen and become part of those who really need it won't have to deal with your shit kind.
Think for a second about every circumstance that you didn't choose but led you to be where you are, for much it hurts your ego to accept you owe it to real conditions much more than your spirit. Think for a shitty second how what you call help isn't for helping others but validating yourself as a human being (notice how hard you try to convince me you're decent and flawless as a human being, you wonder why politicians are much like you but people won't trust them shit until realities come from down the sewer).
Deal with it, you can't help everyone with shitty virtue signalling words. It doesn't mean others hadn't heard your shitty platitudes nor actually tried and put effort (you shamelessly can't see from your own privilege), but the world's not necesarily going to adapt to your ideas in everyone. Have that minimum moral decency not to put yourself above others and their legitimate judgment before you want to pledge to God you're "good wahman" or whatsoever.
You should keep talking. You need to let all this pent-up anger out. It's not good for your mental health
I'm going to take excellent care of my boyfriend and he's going to take excellent care of me. He's going to love me and provide for me and protect me from jerks like you. I'm going to love him and nurture him and provide the comforting, supportive family he's always dreamed of. We each hold the other one on a pedestal above all other living beings because we care more deeply about each other than anything you'll ever experience
Further proof you're ignorant as fuck when it comes to mental health concerns, I bet you couldn't even differentiate between psychological currents nor cite a reasonable share of scientifically replicable studies that won't turn out being shit quackery.
Yeah, we all start life being idealistic as fuck until unpredictable shit happens, and you don't understand wtf is going on until it's too late. Didn't know a shitty insignificant incel could represent such a threat to her Majesty, by the way. Good luck struggling with your hypergamous thoughts as you grow up and find out who you have in front of you isn't who you thought to be.
End of the day, I'm not going to hurt you a single bit (just wtf with you assuming I'm an immoral, uncivilized ape by this point) and all the damage will come from the worst threat you currently face: yourself and your own delusions. I can see you're the kind of female who'd get a beating from her abusive husband but would still think a retard like me represents a worse threat.
Mental illness is actually something I have a lot of experience with. My father is a narcissist (that's how I know how to deal with selfish, conceited trolls like yourself) and my mother is a schizophrenic (that's how I know how to thoroughly explain concepts to delusional individuals such as yourself). Mental illness is a serious concern and I encourage you to seek professional help because your anger and hostility is well outside a mentally healthy range
I'm not about to tell you my whole life story, but I've experienced enough unexpected things in my life to be able to laugh at your mockery. Nothing in life is predictable, therefore I do not live in an idealistic world
The only person you're a threat to is yourself. I'm sure Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth isn't concerned with any insignificant incels, and I'm sure she's never even heard of you
I don't have Hypergamous thoughts because that's not a thing. I don't hunt down guys because they have status. I look for certain qualities in a man who will support and protect me, someone I'll be compatible with and able to love. Refusing to settle for anything less than you need for a healthy sustainable relationship is smart planning, not Hypergamy. What's funny is my boyfriend was actually getting to the point where be was ready to settle before he met me, but now neither of us have to settle because we finally found each other. I don't need your luck, so you should save it for yourself. You're the one who needs it
Lol you couldn't hurt me. You're a nothing but a miserable username. I don't see you as a threat. I see you as a pathetic loner who needs a friend. If you need a friend, I can be one for you
I dumped my ex for cheating on me, so I certainly wouldn't stay with an abusive husband. My boyfriend is the sweetest, kindest, most gentle man I've ever met, and he respects my boundaries. He would never hit me or insult me
So, the little snowflake thinks because she had a narc daddy (my mom also was, by the way, and I'm not whining like you about that nor bringing it to justify myself) that gives her the authority to call others trolls to project her own image of superiority. I don't know where the fuck are you imagining I care about delusions of grandeur or whatever daddy issues you're projecting on me, now that's definitely your own fight to have. Not even gonna discuss you probably don't even have a psych degree, nor have read APA standards nor discussions on its definitions.
Glad to see you finally realize I don't precisely care abut your life, but you have some work realizing how idealism works regarding its philosophical works.
That's a nice change of words from your previous post, seems it worked to ask your boyfriend to pamper and calm a bit your mood in there, Queen Elizabeth. All for you excellence's well deserved joy.
That's not for you to claim, darling, self-reporting does a poor job when it comes to females addressing their own behavior as the sexual revolution's consequences are gradually coming to prove.
I could but regardless of your cynical beliefs that's not my goal, no matter how butthurt you sound there trying to belittle me to feel superior about yourself. For much I think you're an unempathetic degenerate, I'm not one to hurt a fly without good reason.
Again, you're thinking people in black and white terms, from overidealization to a full negative image. For someone who claims knowledge in mental health, I assume you're aware that trait has its associations.
In summary, I'll cite one of my favorite authors, who I figure a delusional brute of your kind must know little of to recognize him without a Google:
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they're free".
You could've spared yourself those bitter words if you learned to acknowledge your own and others limitations in life, but instead of that you chose to condescend and humiliate, to disregard the shades of gray and radicalize other people as either troll, self indulgent garbage or "sweetest, most kind, gentleman" types, for what I humbly suggest to question yourself about it and how your own attitude and beliefs contributes to the way you get treated. Here, a good start so you don't get too lost about it:
Stop claiming that you're not trying to hurt people. Abusing people online by calling them names and accusing them of doing things they're not is trying to hurt people. Your hostility is uncalled for and abusive. I'm not hurt by you because I understand you're pathetic and lashing out at others due to your own inability to take responsibility for your actions. Don't think you know anything about me because you don't. Everything you've written is about yourself, so don't make yourself a fool by thinking it applies to anybody else
I know much more about psychology than you seem to think. I've read the DSM and followed up with the main coauthor on things he would've changed. What psychology students are taught today is a watered-down version of True mental illness that they can apply to anybody, whether that individual is mentally I'll or not. Certain things were intentionally redacted (such as homosexuality and transgenderism) to be more politically correct. Psychologists are taught to not treat these as a mental illness anymore because people like you are too easily offended by telling them that their mentality is wrong and hurting them. One of the worst things they changed was simplifying schizophrenia into the same condition despite catatonic and, paranoid, and undifferentiated schizophrenia hosting an entirely different set of symptoms
So please continue to deny my knowledge of psychology, because you're only going to further prove my level of competence when I explain it to you and your level of incompetence by using it wrong. I studied medical psychology because I used to want to be a psychologist. I decided not to be one because I'd rather not listen to problems from people like you who refuse to do anything about your situation and would prefer to blame others for your problems
I'm not a queen yet, but my boyfriend will treat me like one once we're married; and I will worship him as my king. We earned that. We are not privileged
I originally posted with no intention to hurt anyone but get incel difficulties recognized in difference to others. Same way you recognize disability, gender or any other handicap that breaks equal opportunities for different people. You began preaching in a condescending tone as if we didn't take charge of ourselves for it, and that speaks poor of your own incapacity of not projecting your personal experience onto others.
I never claimed hurting you either, because as you sure know, you're the one who has unsolved issues and likes to project on others. You're making others pay for having an abusive narcissistic parent, you refuse to accept you didn't have control over that and cope pretending everyone else who faces a difficult time should be able to control it same way you think you should've done but didn't. I honestly invite you to relate to rape victims in the same way, given they're at least your own gender. I haven't told you anything about my life as you did to try disuading me, so your "talk about yourself" smells much like you're trying to move past telling me about your own life.
Yeah, I've worked with psychologists as well and I know enough on how you prefer to belittle and ridiculize people when you don't know how everyone's differences won't be answered by preaching a rigid concept of responsibility that more often than not is an appeal to authority to keep people thinking faults can't be ever external and everything that happens is by your own fault, regardless of what you can do from it.
Unlike you, I don't feel an insecure need about stating my major or real life status to validate myself, so I'll leave that space in blank for your personal imagination to comfort herself.
Should add that in sheer honesty, every major in psychology I've met has much better skills to empower people without an humiliating tone or invalidating well addressed circumstances instead of taking the easy way out and say "awh nahw day play viktim again can't wahrk laik diz".
It's quite ironic how you like to blame liberals instead of taking charge of that instead, and the reason why I think you're as full of bullshit as they are. Hopefully the whole profession won't enter in crisis because of politically biased imbeciles like you who get pissed at others for a flawed concept of responsibility, regardless the fact I don't share liberals take on it either.
I do take responsibility for myself and my actions
You can keep talking to yourself here. It doesn't even sound like you have a theory on what it is you think I'm not taking responsibility for yet you keep claiming I'm not doing it with something. I'm not blaming liberals for anything. The only people I'm blaming anything on are winy, pathetic, hostile little Incels whi go around insulting women because they don't want to take responsibility for their own bad behavior and negative attitude towards women... that would be you. I am not political biased nor do I compliment political bias when it comes to responsibility. You are respond for yourself no matter what political party you affiliate with
The fact you're making half assed (and incorrect) diagnosis on anonymous people you don't know about speaks otherwise, that's a professional responsibility even kids know enough about.
You're now playing retard after attacking politically correct culture (which you don't even seem to know from which psychological current that comes from, perhaps you could read a bit about social constructionism for starters so we can speak the same language), which is in poor taste but I can't force you otherwise. Making a strawman of incels isn't gonna help the fact you're not even adhering to basic moral imperatives like treating others as you wish being treated, nor you can stop to think for a second that, perhaps, those disgusting incels can and do behave and take responsibility yet are excluded systemically for their characteristics instead of their behavior.
I'll leave this here for you, in case you want to improve yourself about what's causing your judgment flaw:
I'm not trying to diagnose you. You accused me of not understand psychology, so I merely explained to you that I understand a lot more about it than the average individual
Im. not playing dumb. I know exactly what I'm talking about. I am explaining to you that I am not liberal nor do I believe in political correctness or socialistic views towards responsibility because you have falsely accused me of doing so. If you can't handle someone debunking your false claims, them don't accuse people of being something they're not
Stop being hostile towards other people. Stop blaming women for your problems. Start taking responsibility for yourself and your problems in life
You are an incel because you think you can dictate what women say and think, but in reality you're completely wrong. Women don't want to date you because you're a misogynist. If you want to prove you're not, then stop accusing me of having beliefs that I don't and trying to do things I'm not
You called me a "narcissist just like my father", among all the accusations. Someone who actually understands about it doesn't react the way you did from right at the beginning nor falls for the old triggersome words I spelled.
Even without regarding the substance of your ideas, the way you convey them is so rigid and self assured that it raises a red flag to bother taking you seriously at this point. I'm telling you that there's a difference between what you tell to yourself you are, and what you're on your acts and judgments at others. It's called a cognitive dissonance, which I'll assume bona fide you recall from your lectures.
To be honest, no one calls me hostile in real life. Again, it's easier for you to demonize me because it gives you moral relief about being wrong, I'm not one to take that out from you but that's just my two cents.
Now this is moronic delusional beyond any doubt, I kinda pity your poor strawman here. All my life, the one thing I wanted is someone I could see as an equal in terms of personal agency, autonomy of judgment and communication. Someone who had similar powers, limitations, philosophical takes, life experiences, you name it. Your own fear keeps building an image of me or other incels, dishonestly ignoring individual context, to feel correct about yourself, same way as if I actually generalized all women under the same sack (no darling, I don't).
Anyways, I can't force you to be humble about yourself, that's either something life will force on you or not, or hopefully, something you'll eventually choose to cultivate and empathize from an intellectually honest position that is not just what you choose as your personal, egocentric beliefs. Whenever you can actually do that, I'll actually treat you as a human being.
Yo @anon stop being a whiny little cunt, man up and take responsibility for your actions. The reason you can't get any is because you're so damn spineless that you mine as well not have a dick to fuck her with. The time you spend slapping the keyboard with your feet could be spent doing something useful.
Yes I did say I know how to handle people with narcissism like my father, and that you first nicely into that category. Many people have narcissistic-personality disorder without being full-blown narcissists. Now I'm not a psychiatrist, so I know I can't diagnose you, but I can point out that you have a lot of the traits used to diagnose narcissistic-personality disorder. If you were a narcissist, you would 1) be so full of yourself you wouldn't he offended by my mentioning narcissism in relation to you and 2) think much more highly of yourself than to blame women for making you an incel because you would think all women loved you. But I'd peg you as the insecure narcissist if you were indeed one because you obviously think so slowly of yourself as to be an incel
I am rigid and self-assured because I know what I'm talking about and am not enough of a doormat for you to change my mind
With this attitude you have towards me and other women, you will never find someone who sees you as an equal in autonomy of judgement because every girl you meet will have better judgment than you. Nor will you meet a girl who sees you as an equal in communication because a key part of communication is understanding the other person's perspective, something you are clearly ignorant of
I fear nothing in life. I have been through enough to understand what life is and how go deal with hardships. I am thankful that I've finally met the one man I can truly connect with on a metaphysical level with respect and security, and that we have established a clear and open line of communication based on mutual care for each other's well-being
I treat everyone as a human being on principle of being a human being because that's how that works. The fact that you're treating me otherwise is a judgment of your character flaw
See how you think you know someone from a few posts? By this point I'll assume you know what are you doing, it's not like it has much of an effect given you're luckily not an actual therapist.
This is just immature and proper of youth, I'm not way older yet I can make a point in having changed myself from being as rigid and arrogant as you are.
You're literally so retarded you still don't understand why I'm purposely being like this at you in particular. You don't even see even if you weren't a female I'd treat you the same way, but that's yet another trick of yours to protect your moral stance from recognizing people can be more complex and have different responses, let alone making behavior choices according to the context. That still won't take out the fact others like you are less civilized in personal agency to take charge of themselves and adapt their disposition, which you must've noticed in my case is gradually less "hostile" as you call it, whereas you've not changed yours a single bit.
"Fools rush in where angels fear to tread". Trying to validate your past experience by pretending your control and tame every aspect of life is just an insecure cope mechanism, google for Ilusion of Control if you want to improve yourself again... assuming you want to grow as a human being and not an ape. That's not how a healthy person accepts his or her past wounds, can tell you not only from personal experience.
@ForteExe I'm not moving a single finger, you're exposing yourself instead of contributing honest opinions. If anything, I could accuse you of being pretentious and patronizing for thinking incels don't put effort nor take responsibility (yet, guess what, that's not enough), but I'm not gonna push it too hard at some other clueless moron of the bunch.
Lol dude I defended you guys in another spot on this post so you're not doing yourself any favors by lashing out at me. You're not worth anyone's time or sympathy if this is how you act though. Fundamentally you're no different than the feminists who helped you fall into the rut you're in now. Stop blaming other people and claiming to be the victim of circumstance and do something about your shit life instead of whining about it online. No one wants to hear your crap anymore than we want to hear it from the feminazis.
When you're dealing with someone online, a they have to go off is a few posts. Therefore I have to gauge your personality on the few posts I've seen here. If you're consistent, then you're a sad boy who wants a loving girlfriend more than anything who will worship him and sleep with him, but who will also allow him to treat her like a second-rate house plant
Au contrare. I perfectly understood why you're acting like this towards me. You were clearly triggered by my post insinuating that your lack of female companions and sex is due to your own selfish inability to respect women. I'm not confused at all on that
I am rigid because I am correct. To be wavering would be weak-minded. I don't want to be like you because my life is better than yours
Insulting people is not civilized. Please stop fooling yourself
I have no allusions of control. And I don't need to Google how to better myself or read a book or watch a seminar. I better myself by treating other people and myself decently, and being a little ray of sunshine to their day
Funny that a troglodyte should compare me to an ape. You should understand that I have neanderthal DNA, not silverback
@ForteExe is not a "shitty white knight". He is an honest man who doesn't approve of your melodrama because you're making other guys look bad by acting the way you do. He deserves much more than props for his efforts is assuaging you 😉
Thanks OP. @anon I'm gonna go spend the remainder of my night with my girlfriend. I'm sure you could understand that I'd rather be with her than you. Enjoy your teen angst.
@ForteExe "Defended", your virtue signalling makes no to change facts, same way platitudes suck shit at pretending everyone just taking showers and personality lessons will somehow just make it because "i wanna fink da wahrld iz fair". We all know actually abusive animals, not only pretentious but effectively dominant more often than not score their shit no matter they give a rat's ass for ethics, self improvement, personal agency or whatever you like to call it for your ideology's sake, there's no fair world and honestly I'd not have replied OP the way I did if she just had the capacity to accept that.
I'm no feminist but to scapegoat the state of the matters on them for something that has been there along the whole of human history is no better, you can figure out that by simply reading more from XIX philosophers on women (take Schopenhauer or even Nietzche for a start) to Socrates, let alone cultural pieces (Shakespeare is redpilled af).
Your unineuronal, ignorant thinking, same one who tries scapegoating feminists must make you think this is about either blaming oneself or women, not even structural reasons or determinism as an argument there. The point here is, hierarchies don't care shit who you blame you for, because your power as a person is limited and unequal to others; the inferior deserves hate and punishment, the superior deserve praise and reward.
Needless to say, you whining about "whiners" (given you lack the capacity to signify in a less simplistic form as the mentally challenged baboon behavior you show) is just ironic.
That's the most retarded excuse I've seen for someone to not correlate the treatment she receives as a consequence of her own feedback.
The amount of delusion you wrote further below is just circular in relation to what you already said, you're clearly no longer in a position where you do deserve more honest replies because you won't read.
@ForteExe Don't know what makes you think that's a triggersome reply to heal your butthurt, I don't have shit against you for having or not having a girlfriend but the fact you think people have no reasons to call out bs.
Lol you crack me up. It's like you're copy/pasting random things you found online. I honestly don't even know what you're going on about anymore because you seriously make zero sense. Your thought processes aren't even consistent. At one point I thought you were Forte because you were speaking like him and not yourself, but that makes even less sense because you aught to take your own advice at that
Not sure if you're acusing me of thinking the world is fair? I am the first person to say the world isn't fair. Of all things I've been through in life, if someone had told me that was fair, I would've liked to see the same happen to them and have then come out the other side without a mental state similar to your own. You still haven't given any legitimate reason why you think the way you do, so as far as I can tell, there is something inherently broken inside you. If you have come to this conclusion without something unfair happening to you, then you are far too gullible of a person to let all ths MGTOW incels brainwash you. If you have been in a negative enough situation to truly understand why the world is not fair, you would take responsibility of your own actions in putting yourself in that position in the first place. You alone are responsible for maturing as a human being to rise above your circumstances. Nobody is going to take your hand because you have to do it yourself
You treat me poorly because you're a wounded animal, lashing out at everyone who has something he doesn't: positive feedback from fellow humans. I didn't have that for a long time either, and I did my own fair share of lashing out, but I grew up because I had to. I had to get out and start being an adult and start supporting myself. When you're on your own, you have to take responsibility for yourself because there's nobody else to blame it on. Whatever has happened in the past is no longer relevant when you're moving on with your life
You're indeed struggling hard at understanding the idea that actions and personal responsibility isn't enough (not only on this topic, btw), and I can see you're not one who has the capacity to imagine why, specially as you think it only in your own self centered personal experience terms.
I treat you poorly because you're being dishonest and disdainful of ideas that contradict your own. You think others didn't (or don't) evaluate and study your own beliefs about morality and the world, but the truth is that we do, something you're not doing from your side. If anything, I could say you're the butthurt one for not having been helped on your own misery, now you want to tell yourself you can individually control every circumstance you're put into to spare yourself from your fear of admitting you can be weak. I can even imagine how you could be one who has vampire fetishes and the likes from this.
I am 100% honest. The only thing you really have in this world is your integrity, and mine is polished like a diamond because I tend to it carefully
Actions and personal responsibility are the only things that will get you anywhere in life because they stay intact even when you run into surly and sordid people
You treat me poorly because you're bad person. I am trying to enlighten you, not disdain you
Au contrare! I'm glad nobody took my hand in life. I got to where I'm at in life on my own and it has made me a stronger, self-assured, independent person. This is freedom to know I don't have to depend on anyone for my own satisfaction and livelihood. When I met my boyfriend, I had the freedom to choose his affection, and I'll have the freedom to choose his protecting and depend on him when we get married
I don't fear being weak because I know I'm not. I know I was strong enough to overcome my past circumstances, so there's nothing I can't handle
How many posts did you read through to find out I have a vampire fetish? Lol that's some dedication, but you really should find someone else to be obsessed with because I don't need it from you
No woman is responsible for the way you feel. You feel that way because you don't think you deserve anything better. It is a fault of your nonexistent self-esteem. You have to take responsibility for your own feelings. Stop blaming women for your problems
You're not even trying to think that perhaps most of incels know about what you call personal responsibility, you want to give platitudinal advice to validate yourself.
>are the only things that will get you anywhere in life Wrong, some people can get quite far without moving a finger, others might try their best and not move that much far.
> you're bad person Black & white thinking, trait proper of BPD (nope, I'm not diagnosing you either). For you, it's like there's great, fantastic people or horrible pieces of shit you can't understand.
For this, I'll recommend you a very user-friendly book on cognitive biases for you to deduce which ones you're falling victim of: google Rolf Dobelli's The Art of Thinking Clearly. I can send you a PDF copy if you're not bright enough to get it on your own.
>depend on him Again you taking for granted your relatives, bosses, bfs until conflict appears and you probably either walk your way out without trying to change yourself, or you shut up and stand the abuse until you can no longer hold and burst. Unhealthy expectations.
"I know that I know nothing", can bet you've never touched a philosophy book to not even recognize one of the most famous quotes in the field. Applies well here, though.
You might not believe it, but I didn't scroll shit. That's just my dating experience with looking to date that weird red flagged girls who had this controlling, fixated personality of yours. Again, you're not as unique as you think you are.
They are, same way I'm responsible if I treat you poorly as you've been whining all along. I never denied being responsible for my treatment towards femoids (you even noticed I hadn't used incel jargon until now, seriously?), same way I control my behavior to show valoration and respect for people who are humane and humble enough. Women are full of bullshit you might close your eyes as much as you want, but that out in culture are recognized as an objective reality they can take charge for. I'm not gonna make the effort of elaborate a detailed list for a self indulgent female nor I'm gonna break your pampered reality where no one questions your self righteous beliefs, just because I'm one who believes in critical thinking.
The question isn't whether you know about personal responsibility, it is whether you take responsibility for yourself or not. As long as you continue to blame me for your poor treatment of me, you are not taking personal responsibility
Maybe you don't know how thay works...
If you do something, it is your fault
If you treat someone negatively, it is your fault
If you insult someone, it is your fault
If you're an incel, it is your fault
Lol I don't need to read that because I don't have a victim mentality. I have freed myself of that by getting on with my life and being a decent human being despite the tribulations I've faced. You really aught to take your own advice and read it yourself
It doesn't matter what words you use because you're saying the same thing... and you're still wrong
I don't take abuse. I can depend on my boyfriend because he is respectful, cares deeply about me, and will do anything to ensure my happiness; as I will to the same for him. When you execute that whilst adhering to traditional gender roles, that is called a relationship... I know that's hard to understand because you've never had one before, but there's nothing abusive about it
If you think I'm controlling, no wonder you're single. I'm dying with laughter
What I've been telling you from the beginning is that most of incels (included me), do, but you're too stupid to see that. You don't give a shit about the effort we do or that we have to invest 10x times the time, energy and resources to get similar results or uncommited chances others get from not moving a finger, while you expect others ironically to value your own effort. That's a particularly infuriating aspect of women.
Maybe it's you the one that has been telling me how you know everything without a single self-critical question here, you feel like a god who "illuminates others" while being free of flaw, the ultimate female canon of success and attractiveness, wondering why haven't you turned a Marie Curie or get viral in social media by now.
Nope, wrong there again in all of those. You don't live in a solipsistic bubble. Your actions are in constant interaction with those of others.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they're free. Just let that one sink before you google who coined that phrase.
No argument shown here, no effort back either.
The whole thing of abuse is that you can't control when it happens to you, because the person doing it is more powerful psychologically than you. You might feel in control yet your low level of self awareness disables you to apply a correct theory of mind to identify abuse signals and you might spend some time before connecting the dots, realizing you weren't as much in control as you thought. Seen that plenty of times, from the most pathetic single moms to mentally rigid, insecure neurotics looking for safety and love while swearing to themselves they're autonomous until they're forced to either run away or change, and, of course, they'd rather do the first as the easy way out, because you don't give a rat's ass for anyone but yourself.
Of course you won't want to admit that to a random anon, and I don't care you do either. Point is, if you'll ever be able to ask that to yourself.
The worst part of people like you is that you're too selfish to bother validating others thoughts without making it all about your own. For much I try to put effort, you don't put yourself in a position where you question yourself yet you expect others to do, you don't open your mind to a concept of responsibility and control other than your own (for example, collective or social responsibilties) but you expect others to do, and that's a overall very shitty attitude to have, I don't know if it's either your viking rape genes, unsolved authority issues, or something else you don't realize you have. It's like you don't even have touched a epistemology book, and I can bet you don't either do all those "responsibility" things you preach in vague terms like doing exercise, practicing empathy, agreeableness, flexibility or anything alike. You just believe there's a "natural" way you have of seeing things you don't question and that's it, if a cripple gets thrown at a pool and can't swim his way out, I can see you laughing at him for not being able to and having no one to blame but himself.
End of the day, gotta take you're some random femoid living on the other side of the world, in a shitty individualistic US culture I'd never find in here either (luckily for me), can't respect a bitch who can't properly answer my points but keeps talking with herself no matter how honest I get at you.
As long as you continue to blame me for your abusive name-calling towards me, then you are not taking responsibility for your actions--that would be the opposite. I haven't insulted you or called you names. You merely took offense to me calling out the BS of Incells because women like me (who aren't Feminists) threaten your self-pitying lifestyle
You are simply wrong. I don't expect anybody to value me, but I reward those who do. And I do not stay in abusive relationships, and my current boyfriend is not abusive at all. I clearly set boundaries for him and he respects them. Neither one of us likes to see the other upset, so there is no psychological abuse, nor would there be a benefit of psychological abuse in our relationship. If you can't fathom that I have a healthy relationship with a decent, caring, respectful man, then your jealousy has gotten way out of hand. My boyfriend is my dream partner, and we are both in the best relationship we've ever dreamt of, and extremely happy with each other
You should read some Nabokov before trying to misuse his word "solipsistic"
I don't consider myself to be a flawless human being and I don't like social media
Your thoughts are not worthy of validation. You insult others, therefore you remove and worth your opinion would have. If you want people to value you, then you have to be somebody worth valuing. But you sit on G@G all day dishing out words of hate and griping about how no women is going to love you, and you shit all over other people's relationships just because you've never had one. You will never get a decent woman with an attitude like that. As long as you continue to act this way and think those negative thoughts about others, you will never be worth anything to women or society
Ultimately, if you want to stop being insulted by incels, learn a bit about causal attributio theory before assuming incels don't get gfs because of personality, considering how abusive retards can get away with worse with no deluded imbecile like you talking bs on them.
Maybe you need a dictionary. You are the one being condescending by calling me patronizing names like Sweetie. I'm calling out your BS
If your whole intention was to try and change my mind, then you've been wasting your time. You're never going to convince me of anything by being a jerk. And since I have my dream relationship with my dream guy right now, you're not going to be able to convince me that my desires in a relationship are wrong, and you're not going to convince me that your life is desirable. My life is simply better than yours because I've worked hard to achieve it
I don't need to act because I have conviction in the things I say and believe
ROFLMAO! Incels DON'T get girlfriends. That's the whole point of being an Incel. You're "involuntarily" celibate because women think you're too pathetic to date, much less sleep with
You made this post, you replied with your holier-than-thou shitty attitude, you provoke me telling me about your relationship, you got what you deserved from me and that's it.
With that attitude, I can see how non-hypocritical you are of expecting others to take you seriously in your message. I'm not the one with the mind-changing savior complex here, and I don't know wtf made you assume my life was desirable, you're like pampered gringoes idealizing poverty to masturbate themselves about self-made narratives.
Confusing insecurity with conviction is another mistake of yours. I don't care you take me seriously or not by this point, but it's funny you still feel compelled to reply with some random nonsense that avoids the philosophical substance and reinforces a personalized attack, no matter my change of attitude towards you.
That's your own lack of knowledge about who falls in the incel category nowadays, feels almost like you just bought what some liberal magazine reported for a definition. I pity your incapacity to think twice what you choose to think about things overall, specially as you haven't bothered even to know my personal experiencies (which, unlike you, I don't have the self-centered need to come tell those without being asked for first, let alone you're not particularly worthy of trust by this point).
I provoked you by telling you about my relationship? Lol that's the most pathetic thing you've said yet
Philosophically, you're doing this all wrong. You need to be selfless and self-sacrificing if you want a relationship
My boyfriend and I are willing to sacrifice a lot to be together. It costs a lot of money for us to fly across the country to see each other. If none of this worked out (which we know it will because we both listen to the other's needs and are willing to put in the effort needed to sustain our relationship long-term) we would be wasting a lot of money, time spent getting to know each other, and emotional bonding that we couldn't get back or give to someone else. But we both know it is worth it for the other. My boyfriend is taking an even bigger risk to move out here next month so we can be closer together. If you're not willing to move across the country for love, then you don't deserve it. You only deserve what you put out there, and right now you're only putting out hate and degrading women
I don't know why you're thinking that I think your life is desirable? I view your life as pathetic and worthless. I honestly don't think you'll ever see the message I'm trying to get across to you because you're too self-centered to think you could be wrong and too selfish to treat a woman properly. You're too scared if women to risk dating, so you're going to be alone forever. Since I would much much rather be dating my boyfriend who has off-the-charts long-term potential and isn't afraid of marriage or expecting divorce, there is no part of your life that i would desire more than my own
You tried doing it and failed, which is worse. 'Look at how happy I am', no need for you to lie again by this point, this is the internet.
Said the woman who knows nothing about selflessness.
We're all grown ups to know there's a big gap between what you claim things to be and what they actually are. From small details to eventually big ones. Come on, like you're not adult enough to know how many idealistic retards do dumb cucked shit to end up impoverished and abused because of an illusion. I'd rather realistically negotiate with the woman that'd actually date me the way we'd have worked shit through, since again, you seem to think of yourself as the universal example instead of letting others be themselves instead of being an abusive whore who puts herself above other people's goals.
Your message is full of shit, yet you know you keep replying because it hurts you deep in your anus the truths I say in spite of that. Man, I only hope you last until your 30s at least, typical foid psyche to not even know how to handle their butthurt once reality checks in.
@incelMcGee The alerts don't bother me, but seeing this continue for so long is kind of pathetic. You're both justifying the other's position by giving one another the time of day. You have no chance of changing the other's point of view or convincing each other of anything. You're just bickering at this point. If you were being any sort of productive I'd engage in your discussion, but I have no patience for mindless drivel.
@ForteExe I forgot the cuck's moral authority is law. Funnily enough, she's the one claiming that she's happily in her self made paradise yet constantly comes back at getting her dosage of shittery, she has no one to blame but herself for it given I'm inherent trash according to her.
Well you are inherent trash because you're insulting me (and this other guy). I am happy with my self-made paradise that I've worked extremely hard to build
The lady feels insulted by some random user of the Internet, how cruel this world can be.
"worked extremely hard"... just go preach that to the majority of the world's population who didn't get the privileges you did, sweetheart.
Anyways, in case you're still bored enough to challenge your illusions, there's this compilation of research to help you realize your own nature beyond what you make of yourself
You're the one complaining about feeling insulted, then you conveniently switch from victim mode to fake toughness to hide your insecurity. I've known 13-yr-old relatives smart enough to spot this immature bullshittery you're putting up here, what a shame for a first world cunt.
Says the pampered baboon who knows nothing about the lives of people in the rest of the real world since she's too concerned about only her own. You must be a totally useless piece of shit to think sitting up your ass and being a bitch while making others move around can be called hard work.
You're like the empty nouveau-riche who needs a symbol to claim you're no longer worthy of being bullied and worthless as you used to. Again, gotta pity this irrational need to convince others what you believe you are, let alone random people on the internet.
ROFLMAO! Hey look everybody--it's another pathetic Incel who would rather insult and complain about women rather than admit he is a misogynist who can't get a date because his personality is such trash
Oh yeah, I guess I'm complaining that my perfect boyfriend is moving across the country just to be with me. He is so attractive and attentive to my needs and wants that I would much rather have an Incel who would treat me like crap and complain about being ugly *eyroll*
My life is great right now. The more you hate on me, the more you will be consumed by the green jealousy monster
Funny thing is that lots of men can afford being actual misogynists who give a single flying fuck about making women independent and responsible for their actions, yet they fuck as they please any weak daddy's girl who's too feeble to take charge of herself, if that's not a free pass for emotional or sexual abuse and dependency, get the fuck off. Just keep talking about personality, honey.
It's funny it's him and not you the one who moves. It's always about your needs and not others, sooner or later he'll realize it. I pity him for his naivety, but that's life for us.
It's so great you spend months arguing against who you judge as a miserable human being. Seriously, if I were a successful billionaire, I highly doubt I'd spend this long going into the homeless to feel better about myself to build a half assed sense of happiness that ultimately tricks no one but yourself. I'm sorry for being honest but I bet you have no one who'd care enough for you to tell it, so it's gonna be some anon again.
Not necessarily. While incels usually are whiny little fuckers, it's not always purely their fault. I personally never even had a kiss in my life, and I tried literally E V E R Y T H I N G. In the end I just had to accept the fact that I will never be with any woman in my life.
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Have you ever considered the fact that the vast majority of them suffer with severe body dysmorphia and severe depression, but then again mental illness is a 1000x worse for men than it ever will be for women
Men kill themselves because they're weak-minded. Women kill themselves because they're weak-minded. People in general kill themselves because they're weak-minded. It is nobody's fault but their own
I was diagnosed with depression and PTSD as a child. I've grown up with depression and still experience symptoms. You should go say that to my psychiatrist if you honestly believe that trash spewing out of your mouth
What trash? I've had depression and anxiety my entire fucking life, and because of that it made me feel like a fucking failure as a man. I don't consider myself an incel, but I can understand how they came to have such a negative mindset.
You won't know that until someone tells you because you didn't ask. That's why you need to ask these things before insulting people
I have strong opinions on things. You are going to meet people with strong opinions on things. You have to get over it and treat people decently. Never assume someone doesn't understand what you're talking about
A guy can do everything correct and every girl he asks out still rejects him for being short or bald. Tell me, what can a guy do to change his height? And how is it his fault if he is constantly getting rejected by every girl he likes for thing he has ZERO control over.
Hmmm, it depends. I'm short and balding, yet managed to attract a much taller and beautiful girl and had to turn down another. More than the things you can't change, I put effort in those I can improve and my strong points.
This is just another example of the way incels are their own worst enemy. I too am just a short guy, yet I've done fine. It's a bit of a disadvantage to be short, but plenty of short guys do fine - if you can't get a girlfriend it's most likely something else about you that puts them off, but you'd rather blame your lack of height and leave it at that.
@englisc Exactly. I have a lot of insecurities and you know them, yet the moment I started to be more confident (largely thanks to your advices) I started to drawn more and more people, not only girls.
I am 5'6 and bald and I do just fine. My personality is larger then life. I don't need to be tall or have hair to be successful and neither should you!
@Jean-Marie_Céline You'll never get through to these types, you can't help people who only want to make excuses for failure because it's the easy option vs actually doing things to improve.
I feel like I did everything I could. I didn't start of being bitter and I had a lot of female friends who enjoyed my company. But none of the ones I was interested in wanted anything more than a friendship. And I've seen guys with all kinds of personalities, even guys who are genuine jerks get girls easily.
@coachTanthony Do you do fine with women between the ages of 18-21? Because I have no worries about being able to attract women 30 or older, since they tend to lower their standards by then in terms of looks. I'm just not interested in them.
@Opinion Owner It's a matter of attitude. Victor mentality instead of victim mentality. I don't have the explicit goal of attracting people, I just have my goals and projects to pursue, and I put passion in them - work, cultural and sport initiatives, friendships. When you do that, and people see that you know what you want and you can be a positive presence in their life, they'll crowd you - girls, guys, older men and women alike.
I did when I was your age and yes I was still short and bald back then too! If you are going to be a man worth having you got to get out there and take your knocks. It's the only way to get better. I have been rejected probably over 1000 times in my lifetime but it sure has made me who I am today. I didn't stop because it stings... I kept going because I knew what I wanted and nothing was going to stop me.
Opiniom owner, I am appalled by the reaction of people here.
It's true that you can improve yourself, and that it DOES make a difference. But the hate you get is unjustified. Don't listen to them. Bece the best version of yourself, haters be damned.
@Benedek38 The reason people like this get such reactions is because it's a lot of weak excuse-making. It's an argument AGAINST being the best version of yourself, and an argument for not even bothering to try to be.
@englisc What if you did everything to become the best version of yourself but the girls you liked still thought you weren't good enough for reasons out of your control?
I asked before, what did you do? Just because you think you did the right things doesn't mean that you did. If other short guys like us can find attractive women, that should tell you that you're wrong.
entire generation of people who are caught in the web, I refuse to put the blame on incels, it's the gender equality proponents who run society as a social experiment with fraudulent equality that are entirely to blame. Worse than Nazis the lot of them.
Well it is mostly women's fault. They choose bad boys over the good decent men and this leads to a society of single mothers, fatherless children, and broken families. So yer, it is mostly women's fault.
Well no, that's not a fair analogy. There used to be a patriarchy, and many countries like Saudi Arabia are still patriarchies. Women aren't doing anything to Incels, so there's nothing tangible to compare it to. Women blame the patriarchy for giving them no rights because women didn't even have the right to vote, work, or own property until roughly 100 years ago
@cavmanier That's because it is a political movement and a political movement needs a target ROFLMAO! Why would I do something like that? I have a well-paying job and can fully support myself. I don't need to waste any money on college. I chose not to go because I don't like Millennials or the political agendas colleges push these days, so I have absolutely zero desire to do so now
In pretty much every government it's not like males were doing great. They didn't get to own land or vote either. They struggled similarly to women. Women just love to cherry pick the brief period of history where men really did have obviously significantly better rights in 10% of the world during those 150 years.
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Both. Men are stigmatized for being short and/or bald and it doesn't make dating life easy for them. It becomes easy to develop a toxic attitude, but doing so just takes away the chances you have left.
yes!!! some of the shit they say 'im not attractive' 'im not rich' im not this or that, like dude ur a 7 if u shaved ur "beard" and got clean clothes. just talk about something other than ur low self esteeme and u will be fine. its really not that hard.
From the ones I've met, yup. They tend to be toxic as hell and have a warped perception.
Yeah. When a girl hears incel, they aren’t Thinking that this is simply a misunderstood guy. They are thinking OK this is a woman hating asshole
Yes, excuses, excuses, excuses, this is all you hear from them.
Very yes. They blame their problems on others because its easier than change.
I don't get Incels. If they hate women so much why are they so pissed about not getting laid by them?
Sour grapes
They are bitter, and bitter people are disproportionately aggressive with others.
I think that men who call themselves incels are unattractive and insane.
Incel here, make whatever strawman you want to believe of me for being one.
One frequently misunderstood point about incels is that you can only take conscious, personally accountable charge of what you control (and we do, for much your personal butthurt prefers to cherrypick and indulge your confirmation bias), but that doesn't mean denying or covering your eyes when there are external, systemic and natural hierarchies (either biological or cultural) rigging the outcomes. Regardless of whether those hierarchies are inevitable or not, forcing your liberal meritocratic sense of personal responsibility will only further reproduce ingrained inequities.
Perhaps you could drop your condescending focus on empathizing with worldviews but taking a look at objective, external realities to individuals that yet affect them.
Actually taking responsibility is a conservative spproach. Wining about the rest of the world causing your problems is a liberal approach. The rest of the world is not punishing you. You are responsible for your actions. Wining and complaining about women and the world is only making you less attractive. So if your goal is to aound patheticand never be worthy of a relationship, then you're doing a great job
Seems a moronic female didn't understand how social exclusion works because she takes her pampered privileges for granted.
I recommend you to actually take responsibility for yourself and your own shit cognitive biases instead, go read about the just world fallacy instead of being an uncivilized ape.
There is nothing pampered or privileged about me. I have lived on my own for 4 years and fully financially support myself. I work a full time job and have worked up to 63 hours a week to provide for myself and support my future. I take full responsibility for myself and my actions
>thinks she's not pampered for living on her own for 4 years
LOL, go tell your daddy about that if he didn't abandon you for being a shitty kid or something.
>works 63 hrs a week yet finds time to shitpost a plethora of mytakes on GAG
Yeah yeah, to think you could've invested such time in learning not to be human trash and actually being empathetic and philosophically self aware instead. Spare me your hypocritical nonsense, you act like some humiliated retard who fucked up hard once, hates herself but is in denial and now is trying too hard to cover up for her insecurities by shitting at herself at others. You wonder why some many old people regret your way of being and perhaps you'll learn a thing or two instead of being a retarded whore who can't even get proper culture nor education and thinks of herself as worthy for shitty work ethics she knows little about, other than she feels validated for it.
If anything, you're the retarded liberal who buys meritocratic bullshit because she can't think in an intellectually honest way about the necessary principles for it to work, you're like a shitty post-Marxist thinking we already live an egalitarian society with equal opportunities for everyone regardless of objective material and physical conditions or distribution of power.
You're nothing but a first-world ginger whore who knows shit about the rest of the world or the people other than herself, you're the kind of retard who can't see beyond her own nose until she lives crap but who cares, all in all everyone treats super well and pampered cute tiny faces of your kind.
You're morally disgusting and at this point it doesn't even matter if you become aware of it, because you couldn't do shit either for creating a better world for anyone but your own individualistic self.
I'm a registered Republican and very conservative in my beliefs. I do not believe in a Marxist or socialistic society. Intellectual, a socialist or Marxist society would not work, so there's no way to think that it would. Everyone is equal under the law. Any inequality you experience is self-made
Everyone on this site lives in the first world, so you properly shouldn't be so hypocritical with that insult. I love being a ginger and my boyfriend loves that I'm a ginger as well. Considering I've never slept with anyone, much less for money, I'm not a whore by definition. I am not retarded, but my brother is. That is a medical diagnosis, so you shouldn't accuse people of being so without a medical degree. I have experienced more in my lifetime than most people, and the fact that I've made it through is the reason why I understand how to help people understand what their own problems in life are. Nobody Pampers me except myself. I hold myself to the same morals most religions do, so I'm the exact opposite of morally disgusting by objective opinion
Oh, look at that, a murican sweetie thinks she's rahpablikan cuz she followed daddy's word, what a miracle of female critical thinking who doesn't even stop to reflect on the ideological weight of her actions as long as she's loyally pleasing her cock in turn.
You're one hell of a moron not to realize that's shit because I'm neither from a first world country and I know I'm not the only one, further proof you're so fucking pampered you can't bother knowing who's in front of you. If you think you've experienced more in life that's because you're a retard who can't connect the dots between experience and time nor learn to be humble about it, just like any edgy teen who thinks she knows shit she doesn't. Your level of self awareness is that of any random slut you can find here; they get special treatment from everyone for their looks, without realizing until they get older, uglier and abandoned and they're forced to wonder wtf happened. You're so unprepared for real bullshit that at this point I kinda pity you.
You're the kind of idiot who doesn't figure why her platitudinal advice doesn't work out in an objective, externally hierarchized reality and perhaps honestly believes her shit actually helps, because end of the day you don't have to take shit charge for when it fails or is not falsifiable in a Popperian sense.
You obviously weren't expected to put particularly any notable effort in life (yet you think you do, because you wouldn't be able to live with yourself otherwise) and that's why you're like this, it's a f*** cliche.
If you want to talk big on your own responsibilities, learn a thing or two and read philosophy for your own personal sake if you don't give a shit about others.
My life is pretty great right now, so that's proof my advice works out. People who take my advice end up with better results. My advice has lead me to find the perfect man for me who is protective, loyal, and intelligent. He is everything a girl could want from a guy, especially his height and attractiveness. So you're not fooling anyone because I know my boyfriend and I found each other because we were meant for each other and deserve to be together because we treat people right and are morally sound. Our future together will be so blissful, we won't even be able to hear your groans in the gutter below. I work hard now in life so I will he able to support my boyfriend and any future children we may have. I will keep his health and happiness as my main responsibility in life, and that's more than anybody could say for you
You're honestly stupid and incapable of putting yourself in other people's shoes who won't fit your cherrypicked "patients", aren't you? It's like you don't even realize how what you call help is basically projecting shitty platitudes from your own experience that aren't doing the job themselves nor are seeing who is really in front of you.
I'm glad you won't ever have to be born under another skin, because you completely suck at thinking of anyone else but yourself. Perhaps it's best that human garbage like you keep in your social bubble, foreign to others real problems so that people who can actually listen and become part of those who really need it won't have to deal with your shit kind.
Think for a second about every circumstance that you didn't choose but led you to be where you are, for much it hurts your ego to accept you owe it to real conditions much more than your spirit. Think for a shitty second how what you call help isn't for helping others but validating yourself as a human being (notice how hard you try to convince me you're decent and flawless as a human being, you wonder why politicians are much like you but people won't trust them shit until realities come from down the sewer).
Deal with it, you can't help everyone with shitty virtue signalling words. It doesn't mean others hadn't heard your shitty platitudes nor actually tried and put effort (you shamelessly can't see from your own privilege), but the world's not necesarily going to adapt to your ideas in everyone. Have that minimum moral decency not to put yourself above others and their legitimate judgment before you want to pledge to God you're "good wahman" or whatsoever.
You should keep talking. You need to let all this pent-up anger out. It's not good for your mental health
I'm going to take excellent care of my boyfriend and he's going to take excellent care of me. He's going to love me and provide for me and protect me from jerks like you. I'm going to love him and nurture him and provide the comforting, supportive family he's always dreamed of. We each hold the other one on a pedestal above all other living beings because we care more deeply about each other than anything you'll ever experience
Further proof you're ignorant as fuck when it comes to mental health concerns, I bet you couldn't even differentiate between psychological currents nor cite a reasonable share of scientifically replicable studies that won't turn out being shit quackery.
Yeah, we all start life being idealistic as fuck until unpredictable shit happens, and you don't understand wtf is going on until it's too late. Didn't know a shitty insignificant incel could represent such a threat to her Majesty, by the way. Good luck struggling with your hypergamous thoughts as you grow up and find out who you have in front of you isn't who you thought to be.
End of the day, I'm not going to hurt you a single bit (just wtf with you assuming I'm an immoral, uncivilized ape by this point) and all the damage will come from the worst threat you currently face: yourself and your own delusions. I can see you're the kind of female who'd get a beating from her abusive husband but would still think a retard like me represents a worse threat.
Mental illness is actually something I have a lot of experience with. My father is a narcissist (that's how I know how to deal with selfish, conceited trolls like yourself) and my mother is a schizophrenic (that's how I know how to thoroughly explain concepts to delusional individuals such as yourself). Mental illness is a serious concern and I encourage you to seek professional help because your anger and hostility is well outside a mentally healthy range
I'm not about to tell you my whole life story, but I've experienced enough unexpected things in my life to be able to laugh at your mockery. Nothing in life is predictable, therefore I do not live in an idealistic world
The only person you're a threat to is yourself. I'm sure Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth isn't concerned with any insignificant incels, and I'm sure she's never even heard of you
I don't have Hypergamous thoughts because that's not a thing. I don't hunt down guys because they have status. I look for certain qualities in a man who will support and protect me, someone I'll be compatible with and able to love. Refusing to settle for anything less than you need for a healthy sustainable relationship is smart planning, not Hypergamy. What's funny is my boyfriend was actually getting to the point where be was ready to settle before he met me, but now neither of us have to settle because we finally found each other. I don't need your luck, so you should save it for yourself. You're the one who needs it
Lol you couldn't hurt me. You're a nothing but a miserable username. I don't see you as a threat. I see you as a pathetic loner who needs a friend. If you need a friend, I can be one for you
I dumped my ex for cheating on me, so I certainly wouldn't stay with an abusive husband. My boyfriend is the sweetest, kindest, most gentle man I've ever met, and he respects my boundaries. He would never hit me or insult me
So, the little snowflake thinks because she had a narc daddy (my mom also was, by the way, and I'm not whining like you about that nor bringing it to justify myself) that gives her the authority to call others trolls to project her own image of superiority. I don't know where the fuck are you imagining I care about delusions of grandeur or whatever daddy issues you're projecting on me, now that's definitely your own fight to have. Not even gonna discuss you probably don't even have a psych degree, nor have read APA standards nor discussions on its definitions.
Glad to see you finally realize I don't precisely care abut your life, but you have some work realizing how idealism works regarding its philosophical works.
That's a nice change of words from your previous post, seems it worked to ask your boyfriend to pamper and calm a bit your mood in there, Queen Elizabeth. All for you excellence's well deserved joy.
That's not for you to claim, darling, self-reporting does a poor job when it comes to females addressing their own behavior as the sexual revolution's consequences are gradually coming to prove.
I could but regardless of your cynical beliefs that's not my goal, no matter how butthurt you sound there trying to belittle me to feel superior about yourself. For much I think you're an unempathetic degenerate, I'm not one to hurt a fly without good reason.
Again, you're thinking people in black and white terms, from overidealization to a full negative image. For someone who claims knowledge in mental health, I assume you're aware that trait has its associations.
In summary, I'll cite one of my favorite authors, who I figure a delusional brute of your kind must know little of to recognize him without a Google:
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they're free".
You could've spared yourself those bitter words if you learned to acknowledge your own and others limitations in life, but instead of that you chose to condescend and humiliate, to disregard the shades of gray and radicalize other people as either troll, self indulgent garbage or "sweetest, most kind, gentleman" types, for what I humbly suggest to question yourself about it and how your own attitude and beliefs contributes to the way you get treated. Here, a good start so you don't get too lost about it:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis
Stop claiming that you're not trying to hurt people. Abusing people online by calling them names and accusing them of doing things they're not is trying to hurt people. Your hostility is uncalled for and abusive. I'm not hurt by you because I understand you're pathetic and lashing out at others due to your own inability to take responsibility for your actions. Don't think you know anything about me because you don't. Everything you've written is about yourself, so don't make yourself a fool by thinking it applies to anybody else
I know much more about psychology than you seem to think. I've read the DSM and followed up with the main coauthor on things he would've changed. What psychology students are taught today is a watered-down version of True mental illness that they can apply to anybody, whether that individual is mentally I'll or not. Certain things were intentionally redacted (such as homosexuality and transgenderism) to be more politically correct. Psychologists are taught to not treat these as a mental illness anymore because people like you are too easily offended by telling them that their mentality is wrong and hurting them. One of the worst things they changed was simplifying schizophrenia into the same condition despite catatonic and, paranoid, and undifferentiated schizophrenia hosting an entirely different set of symptoms
So please continue to deny my knowledge of psychology, because you're only going to further prove my level of competence when I explain it to you and your level of incompetence by using it wrong. I studied medical psychology because I used to want to be a psychologist. I decided not to be one because I'd rather not listen to problems from people like you who refuse to do anything about your situation and would prefer to blame others for your problems
I'm not a queen yet, but my boyfriend will treat me like one once we're married; and I will worship him as my king. We earned that. We are not privileged
I originally posted with no intention to hurt anyone but get incel difficulties recognized in difference to others. Same way you recognize disability, gender or any other handicap that breaks equal opportunities for different people. You began preaching in a condescending tone as if we didn't take charge of ourselves for it, and that speaks poor of your own incapacity of not projecting your personal experience onto others.
I never claimed hurting you either, because as you sure know, you're the one who has unsolved issues and likes to project on others. You're making others pay for having an abusive narcissistic parent, you refuse to accept you didn't have control over that and cope pretending everyone else who faces a difficult time should be able to control it same way you think you should've done but didn't. I honestly invite you to relate to rape victims in the same way, given they're at least your own gender. I haven't told you anything about my life as you did to try disuading me, so your "talk about yourself" smells much like you're trying to move past telling me about your own life.
Yeah, I've worked with psychologists as well and I know enough on how you prefer to belittle and ridiculize people when you don't know how everyone's differences won't be answered by preaching a rigid concept of responsibility that more often than not is an appeal to authority to keep people thinking faults can't be ever external and everything that happens is by your own fault, regardless of what you can do from it.
Unlike you, I don't feel an insecure need about stating my major or real life status to validate myself, so I'll leave that space in blank for your personal imagination to comfort herself.
Should add that in sheer honesty, every major in psychology I've met has much better skills to empower people without an humiliating tone or invalidating well addressed circumstances instead of taking the easy way out and say "awh nahw day play viktim again can't wahrk laik diz".
It's quite ironic how you like to blame liberals instead of taking charge of that instead, and the reason why I think you're as full of bullshit as they are. Hopefully the whole profession won't enter in crisis because of politically biased imbeciles like you who get pissed at others for a flawed concept of responsibility, regardless the fact I don't share liberals take on it either.
I do take responsibility for myself and my actions
You can keep talking to yourself here. It doesn't even sound like you have a theory on what it is you think I'm not taking responsibility for yet you keep claiming I'm not doing it with something. I'm not blaming liberals for anything. The only people I'm blaming anything on are winy, pathetic, hostile little Incels whi go around insulting women because they don't want to take responsibility for their own bad behavior and negative attitude towards women... that would be you. I am not political biased nor do I compliment political bias when it comes to responsibility. You are respond for yourself no matter what political party you affiliate with
The fact you're making half assed (and incorrect) diagnosis on anonymous people you don't know about speaks otherwise, that's a professional responsibility even kids know enough about.
You're now playing retard after attacking politically correct culture (which you don't even seem to know from which psychological current that comes from, perhaps you could read a bit about social constructionism for starters so we can speak the same language), which is in poor taste but I can't force you otherwise. Making a strawman of incels isn't gonna help the fact you're not even adhering to basic moral imperatives like treating others as you wish being treated, nor you can stop to think for a second that, perhaps, those disgusting incels can and do behave and take responsibility yet are excluded systemically for their characteristics instead of their behavior.
I'll leave this here for you, in case you want to improve yourself about what's causing your judgment flaw:
en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis
I'm not trying to diagnose you. You accused me of not understand psychology, so I merely explained to you that I understand a lot more about it than the average individual
Im. not playing dumb. I know exactly what I'm talking about. I am explaining to you that I am not liberal nor do I believe in political correctness or socialistic views towards responsibility because you have falsely accused me of doing so. If you can't handle someone debunking your false claims, them don't accuse people of being something they're not
Stop being hostile towards other people. Stop blaming women for your problems. Start taking responsibility for yourself and your problems in life
You are an incel because you think you can dictate what women say and think, but in reality you're completely wrong. Women don't want to date you because you're a misogynist. If you want to prove you're not, then stop accusing me of having beliefs that I don't and trying to do things I'm not
You called me a "narcissist just like my father", among all the accusations. Someone who actually understands about it doesn't react the way you did from right at the beginning nor falls for the old triggersome words I spelled.
Even without regarding the substance of your ideas, the way you convey them is so rigid and self assured that it raises a red flag to bother taking you seriously at this point. I'm telling you that there's a difference between what you tell to yourself you are, and what you're on your acts and judgments at others. It's called a cognitive dissonance, which I'll assume bona fide you recall from your lectures.
To be honest, no one calls me hostile in real life. Again, it's easier for you to demonize me because it gives you moral relief about being wrong, I'm not one to take that out from you but that's just my two cents.
Now this is moronic delusional beyond any doubt, I kinda pity your poor strawman here. All my life, the one thing I wanted is someone I could see as an equal in terms of personal agency, autonomy of judgment and communication. Someone who had similar powers, limitations, philosophical takes, life experiences, you name it. Your own fear keeps building an image of me or other incels, dishonestly ignoring individual context, to feel correct about yourself, same way as if I actually generalized all women under the same sack (no darling, I don't).
Anyways, I can't force you to be humble about yourself, that's either something life will force on you or not, or hopefully, something you'll eventually choose to cultivate and empathize from an intellectually honest position that is not just what you choose as your personal, egocentric beliefs. Whenever you can actually do that, I'll actually treat you as a human being.
Yo @anon stop being a whiny little cunt, man up and take responsibility for your actions. The reason you can't get any is because you're so damn spineless that you mine as well not have a dick to fuck her with. The time you spend slapping the keyboard with your feet could be spent doing something useful.
Yes I did say I know how to handle people with narcissism like my father, and that you first nicely into that category. Many people have narcissistic-personality disorder without being full-blown narcissists. Now I'm not a psychiatrist, so I know I can't diagnose you, but I can point out that you have a lot of the traits used to diagnose narcissistic-personality disorder. If you were a narcissist, you would 1) be so full of yourself you wouldn't he offended by my mentioning narcissism in relation to you and 2) think much more highly of yourself than to blame women for making you an incel because you would think all women loved you. But I'd peg you as the insecure narcissist if you were indeed one because you obviously think so slowly of yourself as to be an incel
I am rigid and self-assured because I know what I'm talking about and am not enough of a doormat for you to change my mind
With this attitude you have towards me and other women, you will never find someone who sees you as an equal in autonomy of judgement because every girl you meet will have better judgment than you. Nor will you meet a girl who sees you as an equal in communication because a key part of communication is understanding the other person's perspective, something you are clearly ignorant of
I fear nothing in life. I have been through enough to understand what life is and how go deal with hardships. I am thankful that I've finally met the one man I can truly connect with on a metaphysical level with respect and security, and that we have established a clear and open line of communication based on mutual care for each other's well-being
I treat everyone as a human being on principle of being a human being because that's how that works. The fact that you're treating me otherwise is a judgment of your character flaw
See how you think you know someone from a few posts? By this point I'll assume you know what are you doing, it's not like it has much of an effect given you're luckily not an actual therapist.
This is just immature and proper of youth, I'm not way older yet I can make a point in having changed myself from being as rigid and arrogant as you are.
You're literally so retarded you still don't understand why I'm purposely being like this at you in particular. You don't even see even if you weren't a female I'd treat you the same way, but that's yet another trick of yours to protect your moral stance from recognizing people can be more complex and have different responses, let alone making behavior choices according to the context. That still won't take out the fact others like you are less civilized in personal agency to take charge of themselves and adapt their disposition, which you must've noticed in my case is gradually less "hostile" as you call it, whereas you've not changed yours a single bit.
"Fools rush in where angels fear to tread". Trying to validate your past experience by pretending your control and tame every aspect of life is just an insecure cope mechanism, google for Ilusion of Control if you want to improve yourself again... assuming you want to grow as a human being and not an ape. That's not how a healthy person accepts his or her past wounds, can tell you not only from personal experience.
@ForteExe Aaaand nothing of value other than some shitty whiteknight, props for your effort.
Lol like you're saying anything of value? You're doing nothing but spouting hyperbole.
@ForteExe Yet another proof of apeish behavior in the absence of rational thought.
For a spoiled mommy's boy raised in the richest country of the world, your emotional and critical thinking skills are disappointing to say the least.
Yet more proof* you pretentious ass
@ForteExe I'm not moving a single finger, you're exposing yourself instead of contributing honest opinions. If anything, I could accuse you of being pretentious and patronizing for thinking incels don't put effort nor take responsibility (yet, guess what, that's not enough), but I'm not gonna push it too hard at some other clueless moron of the bunch.
Lol dude I defended you guys in another spot on this post so you're not doing yourself any favors by lashing out at me. You're not worth anyone's time or sympathy if this is how you act though. Fundamentally you're no different than the feminists who helped you fall into the rut you're in now. Stop blaming other people and claiming to be the victim of circumstance and do something about your shit life instead of whining about it online. No one wants to hear your crap anymore than we want to hear it from the feminazis.
When you're dealing with someone online, a they have to go off is a few posts. Therefore I have to gauge your personality on the few posts I've seen here. If you're consistent, then you're a sad boy who wants a loving girlfriend more than anything who will worship him and sleep with him, but who will also allow him to treat her like a second-rate house plant
Au contrare. I perfectly understood why you're acting like this towards me. You were clearly triggered by my post insinuating that your lack of female companions and sex is due to your own selfish inability to respect women. I'm not confused at all on that
I am rigid because I am correct. To be wavering would be weak-minded. I don't want to be like you because my life is better than yours
Insulting people is not civilized. Please stop fooling yourself
I have no allusions of control. And I don't need to Google how to better myself or read a book or watch a seminar. I better myself by treating other people and myself decently, and being a little ray of sunshine to their day
Funny that a troglodyte should compare me to an ape. You should understand that I have neanderthal DNA, not silverback
@ForteExe is not a "shitty white knight". He is an honest man who doesn't approve of your melodrama because you're making other guys look bad by acting the way you do. He deserves much more than props for his efforts is assuaging you 😉
Thanks OP. @anon I'm gonna go spend the remainder of my night with my girlfriend. I'm sure you could understand that I'd rather be with her than you. Enjoy your teen angst.
@ForteExe "Defended", your virtue signalling makes no to change facts, same way platitudes suck shit at pretending everyone just taking showers and personality lessons will somehow just make it because "i wanna fink da wahrld iz fair". We all know actually abusive animals, not only pretentious but effectively dominant more often than not score their shit no matter they give a rat's ass for ethics, self improvement, personal agency or whatever you like to call it for your ideology's sake, there's no fair world and honestly I'd not have replied OP the way I did if she just had the capacity to accept that.
I'm no feminist but to scapegoat the state of the matters on them for something that has been there along the whole of human history is no better, you can figure out that by simply reading more from XIX philosophers on women (take Schopenhauer or even Nietzche for a start) to Socrates, let alone cultural pieces (Shakespeare is redpilled af).
Your unineuronal, ignorant thinking, same one who tries scapegoating feminists must make you think this is about either blaming oneself or women, not even structural reasons or determinism as an argument there. The point here is, hierarchies don't care shit who you blame you for, because your power as a person is limited and unequal to others; the inferior deserves hate and punishment, the superior deserve praise and reward.
Needless to say, you whining about "whiners" (given you lack the capacity to signify in a less simplistic form as the mentally challenged baboon behavior you show) is just ironic.
That's the most retarded excuse I've seen for someone to not correlate the treatment she receives as a consequence of her own feedback.
The amount of delusion you wrote further below is just circular in relation to what you already said, you're clearly no longer in a position where you do deserve more honest replies because you won't read.
@ForteExe Don't know what makes you think that's a triggersome reply to heal your butthurt, I don't have shit against you for having or not having a girlfriend but the fact you think people have no reasons to call out bs.
Anyways, whatever of value you could've said by this point, it clearly never showed up. Little point to keep trying to open your eyes by now.
Lol you crack me up. It's like you're copy/pasting random things you found online. I honestly don't even know what you're going on about anymore because you seriously make zero sense. Your thought processes aren't even consistent. At one point I thought you were Forte because you were speaking like him and not yourself, but that makes even less sense because you aught to take your own advice at that
Not sure if you're acusing me of thinking the world is fair? I am the first person to say the world isn't fair. Of all things I've been through in life, if someone had told me that was fair, I would've liked to see the same happen to them and have then come out the other side without a mental state similar to your own. You still haven't given any legitimate reason why you think the way you do, so as far as I can tell, there is something inherently broken inside you. If you have come to this conclusion without something unfair happening to you, then you are far too gullible of a person to let all ths MGTOW incels brainwash you. If you have been in a negative enough situation to truly understand why the world is not fair, you would take responsibility of your own actions in putting yourself in that position in the first place. You alone are responsible for maturing as a human being to rise above your circumstances. Nobody is going to take your hand because you have to do it yourself
You treat me poorly because you're a wounded animal, lashing out at everyone who has something he doesn't: positive feedback from fellow humans. I didn't have that for a long time either, and I did my own fair share of lashing out, but I grew up because I had to. I had to get out and start being an adult and start supporting myself. When you're on your own, you have to take responsibility for yourself because there's nobody else to blame it on. Whatever has happened in the past is no longer relevant when you're moving on with your life
Nope, this is you being dishonest again.
You're indeed struggling hard at understanding the idea that actions and personal responsibility isn't enough (not only on this topic, btw), and I can see you're not one who has the capacity to imagine why, specially as you think it only in your own self centered personal experience terms.
I treat you poorly because you're being dishonest and disdainful of ideas that contradict your own. You think others didn't (or don't) evaluate and study your own beliefs about morality and the world, but the truth is that we do, something you're not doing from your side. If anything, I could say you're the butthurt one for not having been helped on your own misery, now you want to tell yourself you can individually control every circumstance you're put into to spare yourself from your fear of admitting you can be weak. I can even imagine how you could be one who has vampire fetishes and the likes from this.
Needless to add, a lot of incel/beta men problem are the direct result of what os actually a lack of personal responsibility from females themselves.
I am 100% honest. The only thing you really have in this world is your integrity, and mine is polished like a diamond because I tend to it carefully
Actions and personal responsibility are the only things that will get you anywhere in life because they stay intact even when you run into surly and sordid people
You treat me poorly because you're bad person. I am trying to enlighten you, not disdain you
Au contrare! I'm glad nobody took my hand in life. I got to where I'm at in life on my own and it has made me a stronger, self-assured, independent person. This is freedom to know I don't have to depend on anyone for my own satisfaction and livelihood. When I met my boyfriend, I had the freedom to choose his affection, and I'll have the freedom to choose his protecting and depend on him when we get married
I don't fear being weak because I know I'm not. I know I was strong enough to overcome my past circumstances, so there's nothing I can't handle
How many posts did you read through to find out I have a vampire fetish? Lol that's some dedication, but you really should find someone else to be obsessed with because I don't need it from you
No woman is responsible for the way you feel. You feel that way because you don't think you deserve anything better. It is a fault of your nonexistent self-esteem. You have to take responsibility for your own feelings. Stop blaming women for your problems
You're not even trying to think that perhaps most of incels know about what you call personal responsibility, you want to give platitudinal advice to validate yourself.
>are the only things that will get you anywhere in life
Wrong, some people can get quite far without moving a finger, others might try their best and not move that much far.
> you're bad person
Black & white thinking, trait proper of BPD (nope, I'm not diagnosing you either). For you, it's like there's great, fantastic people or horrible pieces of shit you can't understand.
For this, I'll recommend you a very user-friendly book on cognitive biases for you to deduce which ones you're falling victim of: google Rolf Dobelli's The Art of Thinking Clearly. I can send you a PDF copy if you're not bright enough to get it on your own.
>depend on him
Again you taking for granted your relatives, bosses, bfs until conflict appears and you probably either walk your way out without trying to change yourself, or you shut up and stand the abuse until you can no longer hold and burst. Unhealthy expectations.
"I know that I know nothing", can bet you've never touched a philosophy book to not even recognize one of the most famous quotes in the field. Applies well here, though.
You might not believe it, but I didn't scroll shit. That's just my dating experience with looking to date that weird red flagged girls who had this controlling, fixated personality of yours. Again, you're not as unique as you think you are.
They are, same way I'm responsible if I treat you poorly as you've been whining all along. I never denied being responsible for my treatment towards femoids (you even noticed I hadn't used incel jargon until now, seriously?), same way I control my behavior to show valoration and respect for people who are humane and humble enough. Women are full of bullshit you might close your eyes as much as you want, but that out in culture are recognized as an objective reality they can take charge for. I'm not gonna make the effort of elaborate a detailed list for a self indulgent female nor I'm gonna break your pampered reality where no one questions your self righteous beliefs, just because I'm one who believes in critical thinking.
The question isn't whether you know about personal responsibility, it is whether you take responsibility for yourself or not. As long as you continue to blame me for your poor treatment of me, you are not taking personal responsibility
Maybe you don't know how thay works...
If you do something, it is your fault
If you treat someone negatively, it is your fault
If you insult someone, it is your fault
If you're an incel, it is your fault
Lol I don't need to read that because I don't have a victim mentality. I have freed myself of that by getting on with my life and being a decent human being despite the tribulations I've faced. You really aught to take your own advice and read it yourself
It doesn't matter what words you use because you're saying the same thing... and you're still wrong
I don't take abuse. I can depend on my boyfriend because he is respectful, cares deeply about me, and will do anything to ensure my happiness; as I will to the same for him. When you execute that whilst adhering to traditional gender roles, that is called a relationship... I know that's hard to understand because you've never had one before, but there's nothing abusive about it
If you think I'm controlling, no wonder you're single. I'm dying with laughter
What I've been telling you from the beginning is that most of incels (included me), do, but you're too stupid to see that. You don't give a shit about the effort we do or that we have to invest 10x times the time, energy and resources to get similar results or uncommited chances others get from not moving a finger, while you expect others ironically to value your own effort. That's a particularly infuriating aspect of women.
Maybe it's you the one that has been telling me how you know everything without a single self-critical question here, you feel like a god who "illuminates others" while being free of flaw, the ultimate female canon of success and attractiveness, wondering why haven't you turned a Marie Curie or get viral in social media by now.
Nope, wrong there again in all of those. You don't live in a solipsistic bubble. Your actions are in constant interaction with those of others.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they're free. Just let that one sink before you google who coined that phrase.
No argument shown here, no effort back either.
The whole thing of abuse is that you can't control when it happens to you, because the person doing it is more powerful psychologically than you. You might feel in control yet your low level of self awareness disables you to apply a correct theory of mind to identify abuse signals and you might spend some time before connecting the dots, realizing you weren't as much in control as you thought. Seen that plenty of times, from the most pathetic single moms to mentally rigid, insecure neurotics looking for safety and love while swearing to themselves they're autonomous until they're forced to either run away or change, and, of course, they'd rather do the first as the easy way out, because you don't give a rat's ass for anyone but yourself.
Of course you won't want to admit that to a random anon, and I don't care you do either. Point is, if you'll ever be able to ask that to yourself.
The worst part of people like you is that you're too selfish to bother validating others thoughts without making it all about your own. For much I try to put effort, you don't put yourself in a position where you question yourself yet you expect others to do, you don't open your mind to a concept of responsibility and control other than your own (for example, collective or social responsibilties) but you expect others to do, and that's a overall very shitty attitude to have, I don't know if it's either your viking rape genes, unsolved authority issues, or something else you don't realize you have. It's like you don't even have touched a epistemology book, and I can bet you don't either do all those "responsibility" things you preach in vague terms like doing exercise, practicing empathy, agreeableness, flexibility or anything alike. You just believe there's a "natural" way you have of seeing things you don't question and that's it, if a cripple gets thrown at a pool and can't swim his way out, I can see you laughing at him for not being able to and having no one to blame but himself.
End of the day, gotta take you're some random femoid living on the other side of the world, in a shitty individualistic US culture I'd never find in here either (luckily for me), can't respect a bitch who can't properly answer my points but keeps talking with herself no matter how honest I get at you.
As long as you continue to blame me for your abusive name-calling towards me, then you are not taking responsibility for your actions--that would be the opposite. I haven't insulted you or called you names. You merely took offense to me calling out the BS of Incells because women like me (who aren't Feminists) threaten your self-pitying lifestyle
You are simply wrong. I don't expect anybody to value me, but I reward those who do. And I do not stay in abusive relationships, and my current boyfriend is not abusive at all. I clearly set boundaries for him and he respects them. Neither one of us likes to see the other upset, so there is no psychological abuse, nor would there be a benefit of psychological abuse in our relationship. If you can't fathom that I have a healthy relationship with a decent, caring, respectful man, then your jealousy has gotten way out of hand. My boyfriend is my dream partner, and we are both in the best relationship we've ever dreamt of, and extremely happy with each other
You should read some Nabokov before trying to misuse his word "solipsistic"
I don't consider myself to be a flawless human being and I don't like social media
Your thoughts are not worthy of validation. You insult others, therefore you remove and worth your opinion would have. If you want people to value you, then you have to be somebody worth valuing. But you sit on G@G all day dishing out words of hate and griping about how no women is going to love you, and you shit all over other people's relationships just because you've never had one. You will never get a decent woman with an attitude like that. As long as you continue to act this way and think those negative thoughts about others, you will never be worth anything to women or society
You insult us by condescending us. If you can't understand that, I give up changing your mind.
Of course you feel like you don't have to expect it, you're a female and you'll always get it no matter how you are nor what you take charge for.
I read him and I also know its modern usage, same way words adapt to a changing cultural context, sweetie.
If you really believed a single shit of this, you'd not be acting up your ass.
This is just another shitty strawman of yours. Again, not gonna waste effort on this.
Ultimately, if you want to stop being insulted by incels, learn a bit about causal attributio theory before assuming incels don't get gfs because of personality, considering how abusive retards can get away with worse with no deluded imbecile like you talking bs on them.
Maybe you need a dictionary. You are the one being condescending by calling me patronizing names like Sweetie. I'm calling out your BS
If your whole intention was to try and change my mind, then you've been wasting your time. You're never going to convince me of anything by being a jerk. And since I have my dream relationship with my dream guy right now, you're not going to be able to convince me that my desires in a relationship are wrong, and you're not going to convince me that your life is desirable. My life is simply better than yours because I've worked hard to achieve it
I don't need to act because I have conviction in the things I say and believe
ROFLMAO! Incels DON'T get girlfriends. That's the whole point of being an Incel. You're "involuntarily" celibate because women think you're too pathetic to date, much less sleep with
You made this post, you replied with your holier-than-thou shitty attitude, you provoke me telling me about your relationship, you got what you deserved from me and that's it.
With that attitude, I can see how non-hypocritical you are of expecting others to take you seriously in your message. I'm not the one with the mind-changing savior complex here, and I don't know wtf made you assume my life was desirable, you're like pampered gringoes idealizing poverty to masturbate themselves about self-made narratives.
Confusing insecurity with conviction is another mistake of yours. I don't care you take me seriously or not by this point, but it's funny you still feel compelled to reply with some random nonsense that avoids the philosophical substance and reinforces a personalized attack, no matter my change of attitude towards you.
That's your own lack of knowledge about who falls in the incel category nowadays, feels almost like you just bought what some liberal magazine reported for a definition. I pity your incapacity to think twice what you choose to think about things overall, specially as you haven't bothered even to know my personal experiencies (which, unlike you, I don't have the self-centered need to come tell those without being asked for first, let alone you're not particularly worthy of trust by this point).
I provoked you by telling you about my relationship? Lol that's the most pathetic thing you've said yet
Philosophically, you're doing this all wrong. You need to be selfless and self-sacrificing if you want a relationship
My boyfriend and I are willing to sacrifice a lot to be together. It costs a lot of money for us to fly across the country to see each other. If none of this worked out (which we know it will because we both listen to the other's needs and are willing to put in the effort needed to sustain our relationship long-term) we would be wasting a lot of money, time spent getting to know each other, and emotional bonding that we couldn't get back or give to someone else. But we both know it is worth it for the other. My boyfriend is taking an even bigger risk to move out here next month so we can be closer together. If you're not willing to move across the country for love, then you don't deserve it. You only deserve what you put out there, and right now you're only putting out hate and degrading women
I don't know why you're thinking that I think your life is desirable? I view your life as pathetic and worthless. I honestly don't think you'll ever see the message I'm trying to get across to you because you're too self-centered to think you could be wrong and too selfish to treat a woman properly. You're too scared if women to risk dating, so you're going to be alone forever. Since I would much much rather be dating my boyfriend who has off-the-charts long-term potential and isn't afraid of marriage or expecting divorce, there is no part of your life that i would desire more than my own
You tried doing it and failed, which is worse. 'Look at how happy I am', no need for you to lie again by this point, this is the internet.
Said the woman who knows nothing about selflessness.
We're all grown ups to know there's a big gap between what you claim things to be and what they actually are. From small details to eventually big ones. Come on, like you're not adult enough to know how many idealistic retards do dumb cucked shit to end up impoverished and abused because of an illusion. I'd rather realistically negotiate with the woman that'd actually date me the way we'd have worked shit through, since again, you seem to think of yourself as the universal example instead of letting others be themselves instead of being an abusive whore who puts herself above other people's goals.
Your message is full of shit, yet you know you keep replying because it hurts you deep in your anus the truths I say in spite of that. Man, I only hope you last until your 30s at least, typical foid psyche to not even know how to handle their butthurt once reality checks in.
Can the both of you please just let this thread die already? You've been at it for months.
@ForteExe And the cuck is back on the game, boyos.
Just let the copes go, why so authoritarian? I thought you fucking muricans were too individualistic to give a shit for others, jeez.
If you're so bothered for the alerts, you have no one to blame but yourself for posting in, lol
@incelMcGee The alerts don't bother me, but seeing this continue for so long is kind of pathetic. You're both justifying the other's position by giving one another the time of day. You have no chance of changing the other's point of view or convincing each other of anything. You're just bickering at this point. If you were being any sort of productive I'd engage in your discussion, but I have no patience for mindless drivel.
@ForteExe I forgot the cuck's moral authority is law. Funnily enough, she's the one claiming that she's happily in her self made paradise yet constantly comes back at getting her dosage of shittery, she has no one to blame but herself for it given I'm inherent trash according to her.
Well you are inherent trash because you're insulting me (and this other guy). I am happy with my self-made paradise that I've worked extremely hard to build
The lady feels insulted by some random user of the Internet, how cruel this world can be.
"worked extremely hard"... just go preach that to the majority of the world's population who didn't get the privileges you did, sweetheart.
Anyways, in case you're still bored enough to challenge your illusions, there's this compilation of research to help you realize your own nature beyond what you make of yourself
https://justpaste.it/2msmg
Lol are you still complaining about your life?
You can't insult me because you're too pathetic
I have no privileges in life. I have worked extremely hard for everything I have
How about I confirm my "illusions" with all the lovely pictures I took while on vacation with my perfect boyfriend
You're the one complaining about feeling insulted, then you conveniently switch from victim mode to fake toughness to hide your insecurity. I've known 13-yr-old relatives smart enough to spot this immature bullshittery you're putting up here, what a shame for a first world cunt.
Says the pampered baboon who knows nothing about the lives of people in the rest of the real world since she's too concerned about only her own. You must be a totally useless piece of shit to think sitting up your ass and being a bitch while making others move around can be called hard work.
You're like the empty nouveau-riche who needs a symbol to claim you're no longer worthy of being bullied and worthless as you used to. Again, gotta pity this irrational need to convince others what you believe you are, let alone random people on the internet.
ROFLMAO! Hey look everybody--it's another pathetic Incel who would rather insult and complain about women rather than admit he is a misogynist who can't get a date because his personality is such trash
Oh yeah, I guess I'm complaining that my perfect boyfriend is moving across the country just to be with me. He is so attractive and attentive to my needs and wants that I would much rather have an Incel who would treat me like crap and complain about being ugly *eyroll*
My life is great right now. The more you hate on me, the more you will be consumed by the green jealousy monster
Funny thing is that lots of men can afford being actual misogynists who give a single flying fuck about making women independent and responsible for their actions, yet they fuck as they please any weak daddy's girl who's too feeble to take charge of herself, if that's not a free pass for emotional or sexual abuse and dependency, get the fuck off. Just keep talking about personality, honey.
It's funny it's him and not you the one who moves. It's always about your needs and not others, sooner or later he'll realize it. I pity him for his naivety, but that's life for us.
It's so great you spend months arguing against who you judge as a miserable human being. Seriously, if I were a successful billionaire, I highly doubt I'd spend this long going into the homeless to feel better about myself to build a half assed sense of happiness that ultimately tricks no one but yourself. I'm sorry for being honest but I bet you have no one who'd care enough for you to tell it, so it's gonna be some anon again.
Not necessarily. While incels usually are whiny little fuckers, it's not always purely their fault. I personally never even had a kiss in my life, and I tried literally E V E R Y T H I N G. In the end I just had to accept the fact that I will never be with any woman in my life.
Have you ever considered the fact that the vast majority of them suffer with severe body dysmorphia and severe depression, but then again mental illness is a 1000x worse for men than it ever will be for women
Yeah. That's extremely unattractive
Little wonder so many men kill themselves
Men kill themselves because they're weak-minded. Women kill themselves because they're weak-minded. People in general kill themselves because they're weak-minded. It is nobody's fault but their own
Wow fuck you, you clearly have no idea how difficult it is to have depression
I was diagnosed with depression and PTSD as a child. I've grown up with depression and still experience symptoms. You should go say that to my psychiatrist if you honestly believe that trash spewing out of your mouth
What trash? I've had depression and anxiety my entire fucking life, and because of that it made me feel like a fucking failure as a man. I don't consider myself an incel, but I can understand how they came to have such a negative mindset.
"Wow fuck you, you clearly have no idea how difficult it is to have depression"
That trash. Clearly I have experienced depression, so I do understand how difficult it is
You are worthless as a man because of the way you treat and insult women
My boyfriend is bipolar, so he also understands depression. I do not think he is worthless for it because he still treats me right and respects me
How the hell was I supposed to know that beforehand, I'm not a fucking mind-reader? I was pissed off because of what you said about suicidal people.
You won't know that until someone tells you because you didn't ask. That's why you need to ask these things before insulting people
I have strong opinions on things. You are going to meet people with strong opinions on things. You have to get over it and treat people decently. Never assume someone doesn't understand what you're talking about
A guy can do everything correct and every girl he asks out still rejects him for being short or bald.
Tell me, what can a guy do to change his height? And how is it his fault if he is constantly getting rejected by every girl he likes for thing he has ZERO control over.
Stop complaining about it
Hmmm, it depends.
I'm short and balding, yet managed to attract a much taller and beautiful girl and had to turn down another.
More than the things you can't change, I put effort in those I can improve and my strong points.
This is just another example of the way incels are their own worst enemy. I too am just a short guy, yet I've done fine. It's a bit of a disadvantage to be short, but plenty of short guys do fine - if you can't get a girlfriend it's most likely something else about you that puts them off, but you'd rather blame your lack of height and leave it at that.
@englisc Exactly. I have a lot of insecurities and you know them, yet the moment I started to be more confident (largely thanks to your advices) I started to drawn more and more people, not only girls.
I am 5'6 and bald and I do just fine. My personality is larger then life. I don't need to be tall or have hair to be successful and neither should you!
Not complaining won't change anything. When you're being judged for something you have ZERO control over, there's nothing you can do.
Pussy.
@Opinion Owner, but there are a lot of things you can improve.
And sitting behind a monitor just complaining and complaining won't help.
@Jean-Marie_Céline You'll never get through to these types, you can't help people who only want to make excuses for failure because it's the easy option vs actually doing things to improve.
I feel like I did everything I could. I didn't start of being bitter and I had a lot of female friends who enjoyed my company. But none of the ones I was interested in wanted anything more than a friendship.
And I've seen guys with all kinds of personalities, even guys who are genuine jerks get girls easily.
@coachTanthony Do you do fine with women between the ages of 18-21? Because I have no worries about being able to attract women 30 or older, since they tend to lower their standards by then in terms of looks. I'm just not interested in them.
@Opinion Owner It's a matter of attitude. Victor mentality instead of victim mentality.
I don't have the explicit goal of attracting people, I just have my goals and projects to pursue, and I put passion in them - work, cultural and sport initiatives, friendships.
When you do that, and people see that you know what you want and you can be a positive presence in their life, they'll crowd you - girls, guys, older men and women alike.
I did when I was your age and yes I was still short and bald back then too! If you are going to be a man worth having you got to get out there and take your knocks. It's the only way to get better. I have been rejected probably over 1000 times in my lifetime but it sure has made me who I am today. I didn't stop because it stings... I kept going because I knew what I wanted and nothing was going to stop me.
Found another incel. 3 for 3 now
Opinion Owner - what did you do?
Opiniom owner, I am appalled by the reaction of people here.
It's true that you can improve yourself, and that it DOES make a difference. But the hate you get is unjustified. Don't listen to them. Bece the best version of yourself, haters be damned.
@Giggletr0n I love how you are calling people incels and shaming them for it. Sounds like projection, you dirty incel
@Benedek38 The reason people like this get such reactions is because it's a lot of weak excuse-making. It's an argument AGAINST being the best version of yourself, and an argument for not even bothering to try to be.
@englisc What if you did everything to become the best version of yourself but the girls you liked still thought you weren't good enough for reasons out of your control?
I asked before, what did you do? Just because you think you did the right things doesn't mean that you did. If other short guys like us can find attractive women, that should tell you that you're wrong.
Thanks reminds me that pretty much all incels are male.
No incels are completely justified in their hate it's not societies place to create fraudulent gender equality for its glory and then burn the
entire generation of people who are caught in the web, I refuse to put the blame on incels, it's the gender equality proponents who run society as a social experiment with fraudulent equality that are entirely to blame. Worse than Nazis the lot of them.
Not sure if trolling or genuine response from crazy person?
Well it is mostly women's fault. They choose bad boys over the good decent men and this leads to a society of single mothers, fatherless children, and broken families. So yer, it is mostly women's fault.
If you nen as a whole stepped up and started being decent, there would be no bad boys to complain about
I will rise to the occasion.
Its kind of how feminists blame the patriarchy.
Well no, that's not a fair analogy. There used to be a patriarchy, and many countries like Saudi Arabia are still patriarchies. Women aren't doing anything to Incels, so there's nothing tangible to compare it to. Women blame the patriarchy for giving them no rights because women didn't even have the right to vote, work, or own property until roughly 100 years ago
Feminists are still blaming the patriarchy currently. Go take a feminist college class.
@cavmanier
That's because it is a political movement and a political movement needs a target
ROFLMAO! Why would I do something like that? I have a well-paying job and can fully support myself. I don't need to waste any money on college. I chose not to go because I don't like Millennials or the political agendas colleges push these days, so I have absolutely zero desire to do so now
Patriarchy was a necessity, if all your women were abducted and raped the citizens of that tribe could not reproduce anymore.
I agree. It's political and a lobby group.
And besides, in the feudal system both male and female serfs were subjected to the same lack of rights by both male and female ruling class.
Found yet another incel. 4 for 4
@Giggletr0n Where lmao?
In pretty much every government it's not like males were doing great. They didn't get to own land or vote either. They struggled similarly to women. Women just love to cherry pick the brief period of history where men really did have obviously significantly better rights in 10% of the world during those 150 years.
To effin' right! We have one here, somewhere!!!
Yes but that means more ladies for me.
I'm a young handsome looking guy and I'm also a proud incel.