I don't agree with this "date up/date down" thing. We get with person who is right for us at the time... whether that me for 2 months or 20 years. There is no such thing as dating up or down.
"Hitting the wall" is an expression that means a woman has a reached an age where her marriage and dating prospects become worst and they have fewer and worst men that want them.
You've got these women that are 25 or 30 and still think men consider them a good catch.
42, make an amazing salary, my own home, work out daily, amazing cook and intelligent. Win community awards and speak at women's groups on both financing and self confidence. Ya shove your wall where it doesn't shine.
@Justtoobusy The age of a woman affects the health of babies. Past 30 your kids will come out worst, assuming you can have them at all.
You're less dateable than any normal 16 year old girl. The vast majority of men would choose her over you even if the only thing they knew about her was her age. That matters way more than your degree. Age is probably the most importaint factor men judge women by.
Do you really think men care if you won a community award from a feminist group?
"women's groups on nd self confidence." As if the rest of your post didn't scream 'insecruity' even more.
You'll still have men dating women who are 25, 30, or 42 it will just be less and less likely it will be a some guy with lots of money.
Women need to adjust their expectations once they get older. Going into denial is just going to make it worst. Which is what most women do. Than they find they are 30 and don't have good dating propects and they blame 'men' rather than themselves. They took their youthful, eligiable years and used it to get a degree. They emerge from college being less dateable than when they went in.
My ex had a problem with me wanting to go for my Doctorate degree and I found that super insecure. Plus I know people in my field that make plenty of money. I just want someone just as ambitious as me.
My current boyfriend has a B. A in engineering and makes more than me with a masters that wasn’t my point. The point is you’re doing something with your life creating goals preferably together. Have a career. Many guys right now don’t and they are content staying with their mom, content being average, content with their female having it together while they figure it out. Nope. I have this convo with my friends all the time we all feel the same.
I’m not going to sit here and say yes. I don't know it depends. That’s great the person has stability though but I feel like that should be a given as we get older. I won’t settle if I’m not content.
date down? howso? they date ugly guys with money. are you saying they'll have to date ugly middle class guys with some money? if that's the case they'll date multiple just like they are doing now
i guess it's better this way. less women marrying means less kids and a lower population. plus if a whole generation of women end up as old maids maybe that'll show them that they're not that desirable so maybe they would try harder
Women love money, not men. If a woman loves you in 2019 it's because you have money. A girl told me by herself that she is looking for rich guy for marriage and she doesn't want a job.
Funny that we never hear about broke women hurting American men's marriage prospects. Perhaps for most females marriage is more about extracting wealth from men than they will admit.
No one gets married because of the legal liabilities and morals have taken a dive, and you benefit from taxes. I thought women were working to get what a man makes.
Depends how much a woman values money Women value money a lot more than men do.
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The have ruined everything male and have themselves become sexually indiscriminate so they are going to have to now deal with both of those fails. The male won't be worth much as a man and she won't be worth much as a female.
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I don't agree with this "date up/date down" thing. We get with person who is right for us at the time... whether that me for 2 months or 20 years.
There is no such thing as dating up or down.
Women are also becoming less marriagable. Women are less desirable as they get older. They can hit the wall as low as 22.
What wall is that? LOL
"Hitting the wall" is an expression that means a woman has a reached an age where her marriage and dating prospects become worst and they have fewer and worst men that want them.
You've got these women that are 25 or 30 and still think men consider them a good catch.
42, make an amazing salary, my own home, work out daily, amazing cook and intelligent. Win community awards and speak at women's groups on both financing and self confidence. Ya shove your wall where it doesn't shine.
I would be out of business as a dating coach if that were the case. To say a 22 year has hit some desirability wall is crackers son!
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The age of a woman affects the health of babies. Past 30 your kids will come out worst, assuming you can have them at all.
You're less dateable than any normal 16 year old girl. The vast majority of men would choose her over you even if the only thing they knew about her was her age. That matters way more than your degree. Age is probably the most importaint factor men judge women by.
Do you really think men care if you won a community award from a feminist group?
"women's groups on nd self confidence." As if the rest of your post didn't scream 'insecruity' even more.
You'll still have men dating women who are 25, 30, or 42 it will just be less and less likely it will be a some guy with lots of money.
Women need to adjust their expectations once they get older. Going into denial is just going to make it worst. Which is what most women do. Than they find they are 30 and don't have good dating propects and they blame 'men' rather than themselves. They took their youthful, eligiable years and used it to get a degree. They emerge from college being less dateable than when they went in.
I’m sure the hell not. Be on my level or higher. I can offer a lot I expect the same
My ex had a problem with me wanting to go for my Doctorate degree and I found that super insecure. Plus I know people in my field that make plenty of money. I just want someone just as ambitious as me.
What is “your level”? Would you date a man who only has a B. A but has a career or do you want a man with a doctorate degree as well?
My current boyfriend has a B. A in engineering and makes more than me with a masters that wasn’t my point. The point is you’re doing something with your life creating goals preferably together. Have a career. Many guys right now don’t and they are content staying with their mom, content being average, content with their female having it together while they figure it out. Nope. I have this convo with my friends all the time we all feel the same.
Would you date someone who makes less than you but has himself together in terms of finance and stability?
I’m not going to sit here and say yes. I don't know it depends. That’s great the person has stability though but I feel like that should be a given as we get older. I won’t settle if I’m not content.
At least you’re honest. That’s a sensible answer
date down? howso? they date ugly guys with money. are you saying they'll have to date ugly middle class guys with some money? if that's the case they'll date multiple just like they are doing now
Seems like it. Either that or singlehood. I am certain, that we are seeing it already happening.
Well... who or what can be blame - if blame at all?
i guess it's better this way. less women marrying means less kids and a lower population. plus if a whole generation of women end up as old maids maybe that'll show them that they're not that desirable so maybe they would try harder
Women love money, not men. If a woman loves you in 2019 it's because you have money. A girl told me by herself that she is looking for rich guy for marriage and she doesn't want a job.
You say broke men are ruining it but what happened to that wage gape?
Funny that we never hear about broke women hurting American men's marriage prospects. Perhaps for most females marriage is more about extracting wealth from men than they will admit.
Its kinda funny cause they spent decades saying men ain't shit! Now men have stopped trying and its a panic.
No one gets married because of the legal liabilities and morals have taken a dive, and you benefit from taxes. I thought women were working to get what a man makes.
Depends how much a woman values money
Women value money a lot more than men do.
The have ruined everything male and have themselves become sexually indiscriminate so they are going to have to now deal with both of those fails.
The male won't be worth much as a man and she won't be worth much as a female.
That would mean that most women are overly concerned with money and material things. It was never considered dating down for a man to date a typist
I've given up on dating and my ability to try so I'm already fucked
A woman would rather be single her entire life , than " date down " .
So women only marry guys for money? Ha! Then how about blaming men we simply agree that girls are scumbags and shouldn't use men for everything?
No, it seems women are only marrying men who can contribute equally or more. You misunderstood.
Women don't deserve to be married these days. Guys who marry are utter betas.
You sound very uneducated. That is a shame.
Girls are fucking whores man. Like seriously don't be a beta
Thanks for the comments!
As long as the guy can pay for his own shit, his income is irrelevant unless you are a gold digger.
Female privilege at work
Now they're the breadwinners
This topic was covered in MGTOW, several have covered it already, actually.