When I hear the term "high value man" it is often used in the context of a man with power and status. A very wealthy man who can get any woman he wants and as many women he wants. He is hypersexual and often handsome too (perhaps in his late 20s to 30s), well dressed, suave, a womanizer. Think 50 shades of grey or 365's Massimo. Every woman dreams of him. He is at the top of the desirability pyramid.365 days' MassimoHOWEVER, this widespread idea of a "high value man" really DOES NOT fit my personal idea of an actual "high value" man. To me these types of men are highly unrelatable. Moreover they barely exist in real life and are mostly the product Hollywoodian fantasy since most actual men with power and status are on the older side and often don't look like these Hollywood studs.
Furthermore, with LOTS of power also comes abuse. I feel like these men are not faithful most of the time. And they are often borderline creepy (Eg Epstein). I think a high value man is a hardworking, family oriented man who is loyal. Simple as. A middle class "Average Joe" who possesses these qualities is to me a high value man.
What's a "high value man"? Does your idea of a High value man fit the image spread by Hollywood and social media?
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It is not up to me to define a high value man. I am who I am and if a woman is attracted to that then we'll talk.
I could take the feminist approach and demand that parents teach their daughters to respect all men, blah blah blah. People like who they like and if they believe that they can do better then they will hold out for that. There are A LOT of young girls who will crash and burn when they turn 33-35 and realize that they will never get the man that they were told they could get. Many will stay single. Some will adjust their standards to guys they rejected 10 years before hand. Others will heroically become single mothers... I would like to warn men of the women in this age range because some of them will only marry you to pay for their children. Keep your eyes open and get a paternity test.
The system is failing and I place them blame on feminism. Feminism discourages male/female relationships. It tells girls to go out and conquer the business world and then when you're the CFO you can chose the high value male of your choice and have a family.
Their are many problems with that "promise" and most of them ignore the truth about men and what THEY want.
@nelly83 Show me a single human conceived without male DNA. I don't try to stop a women from becoming a single mother. I think people should get what they ask for and then have to deal with it.
The children suffer without a father. Look at the black community where 70% of children are raised by single mothers. Selfish single mothers deserve the children that they raise alone because of their own selfish needs and the inability to fond an interested man
hun, rich female CEOs can buy top quality sperm from a sperm bank. they have enough money to raise all their kids on their own too. when you have money, you can have everything
@nelly83 Yes, you are correct. All single mothers are rich CEOs. Thank goodness that they are promoted because of quotas instead of having to earn their position like men. You'll be fine and your kids won't go to jail, do drugs or hate you
single moms do not need to be rich CEOs to raise their kids. She can raise her own kids as long as she has a great education and career. ouchh... i bet that hurts for u
ROFL. Yes that's the "high standard" man of tramps. Not much better than prostitutes.
Personally as a powerful confident woman who was brought up in a family of affluent individuals, as in politicians stopped to say hello to my grandmother, men like 365's Massimo and 50 Shades of Grey are trash. Egotistical good for nothings.
And the funny thing is, is many decent women think the same. No body with self respect or any self esteem wants a womanizer as he's less trustworthy than a rat.
@Djaay Don't shit on women for dating men for money. Guys always date hot women for sex too. Shallow = shallow. why don't you take a look at the attitude towards women in their 30s on this website
@Djaay well its time to get used to it. it will always exist. no way to eliminate it. we are designed to be attracted to physically attractive or rich people.
Woman... You have 0 idea of what your spewing to me right now. I've been wealthy all my life and can asparste mirades of wisdom about those things you only wished you knew about experience. After ten children , two wife's and currently married , what are you in wisdoms name are you going to bring to the table?
It's just the reality. This is an over-simplification but in general, men instinctively want women who will bare and care for healthy babies. Women instinctively want men who will provide for and protect themselves and their babies.
@jerdanro you missed another point too. Most of us also want young men in their 20s-30s. We are not biologically designed to find old guys with white hairs, balding, winkles to be attractive. There are some women who don't care how a guy looks but these are rather uncommon
@jerdanro No. Not many women like older men. 20s-30s are the ages where people are most physically attractive. Why do you think most men get married in their 20-30s rather than 40-50s?
@jerdanro I'm from the US. In most modern western countries, where women are actually allowed to pick their spouses, the average age difference is 3-5 years.
Empirical evidence has also accumulated in support of women's preferences for older men, and as you might expect, the data often overlap with those data supporting men's preferences. As this sample of Conway-Beam and Buss's (2019) review suggests:
Cross-culturally, women report wanting partners who are (on average) 3.5 years older than them. In online dating, women make the first contact with older men at a greater than rate they do younger men. Marriage records show that women are marrying men who are older than they are by about 3 years.
Most men marry women younger than they are; with the difference being between two and three years in Spain, the UK reporting the difference to be on average about three years, and the US, two and a half.
@Djaay its extremely uncommon for a 23 yr old to be married to a 60 yr old. Usually when this happens, the man is usually a sex digger and she is a gold digger. Its usually just prostitution.
A few quick things. The wikipedia article is talking about age differenced in marriages, not other types of relationships. The Psychology Today article makes a point that we both agree on. Adults in their 20s and 30s are usually at their fittest and most physically attractive, but the article itself states that this isn't always a primary selection factor. If the question is what makes a man high value or whether or not many women prefer older men, looks are not the primary factor.
I am 23 and I have been with @Djaay since I was 18. Why you didn't think that was possible? I am sitting here with him right now. by the way we actually met on GAG. Look at our follows and you can see for yourself.
@jerdanro Looks do matter to women. Just because looks matter less to women, it doesn't mean that women don't need any physical attraction. Good looking guys get sex very easily. They get girls hitting on them. You have no idea.
If a woman is willing to date an old ugly 50 yr old, she is just usually dating or married to him for the money. Once his money is gone, she will disappear. Physical attraction is a very important part of a mating process, for both men and women.
Women like their men young, strong, and fast. Not some old fat uncle with white hairs and wrinkles. Young men have better quality sperm which means better survival of offspring. Women like strong men with V shaped bodies. His strength and vitality shows that he is able to protect and defend her and her offspring. As men age, they gain weight, get fat and lose muscle and vitality.
@nelly83 Well first, the unkind characterizations you are making don't increase the credibility of your argument. If you read the article you are citing they discuss 2 main factors of age selection. The first is physical health (beauty) as it is an indicator of sperm viability. The second is the ability to provide resources. For hunter gatherers that ability peaks in a man's 20s or 30s. In modern times that translates to earning pitential, which peaks in a man's 40s or 50s. It then goes on to explain that there are other factors that may have more influence on selection.
@jerdanro so if a man's resources were the highest priority, then why do you see more men in their late 20s- 30s getting married than men in their 40s-50s? As you age, you get more financially stable. So why is the average age of marriage for men still in late 20s- mid 30s?
The 2020 Average Age of Marriage In 2020, the average age of marriage for female participants was 31, while male respondents married at age 33. The average age of marriage in the US therefore falls at 32 years. Presumably, it's the average age of the first marriage for the majority of participants, and this number is influenced by a variety of factors. Overall societal behavioral patterns, including an evolving workforce and a stronger sense of self-sufficiency, play a role in influencing the average age of marriage in the US.
@jerdanro Because I am a woman and I am not attracted to old guys. None of my friends in my social circles are dating or married to anyone 10+ years older either. Most of my 20 something yr old friends are dating other 20 something yr olds. The oldest guy they would date is probably 33.
@MimiJ98 there's nothing wrong with you being sexually attracted to 60-80 yr old men. You can date grandpas all you want. But understand that its unusual and statistically most women are not like you.
About half of those marriages end in divorce and " in most modern western countries, where women are actually allowed to pick their spouses", many men and women never marry at all. So marriage my not be the most reliable indicator. There is actually an interesting study that shows marriage dissatisfaction increases for the younger partner as the age gap widens. Maybe you should consider younger men? You said yourself that you prefer men 5 to 7 years older. Why is that?
nelly83... My culture is way different than yours. Reasons for your perspective has nothing to do with my culture nor does any of your statistics. Our females here in Poloyniesia f hate females from USA truthfully and generally will beat yo asses. So keep spewing your sh... I proved my shit to you and you can't seem to say anything good except insults... f u den
@jerdanro I prefer a man 5-7 years older because I usually get along better with folks around my age. People tend to date those around their age because they tend to share the same sense of humor, the conversation tends to flow better, they understand each other better, and are more likely to see life through the same perspective.
If I'm 23 and I'm dating a 40 yr old man, its highly unlikely that we are gonna relate to each other very well.
@Djaay hun, there is no reason why a 60 yr old man would marry a 23 yr old girl other than for sex purposes. There is honestly no way that a 60 yr old man can emotionally connect with a 23 yr old in any way shape or form. In 2nd and 3rd world countries, women frequently marry much older men just for financial purposes. Often times such marriages are arraigned, where women are powerless.
But statistically, if you take a look at first world countries where women are allowed to PICK their husbands, overwhelming majority of them marry young men. You can do the research yourself.
@nelly83. 33 is an older man for a 25 year old woman, by almost 25%. How would you say that compares to a 32 year old woman being with a 48 year old man?
@jerdanro Another reason why I prefer to marry a man 5-7 years older is because I don't want to be married to an old man when I'm still young. By the time I am 30, he will be in his 40s. By that time, he will be weakening and old. I want a young strong husband that I can rely on to protect me and my children. Biologically women all have a desire for a strong man who she can rely on to protect her and her children. If you're old and weak, I would be the one protecting you. I need to count on my husband to be able to lift heavy things when I can't do it.
And another reason is becasue I want a life time partner. By the time I am 40 years old, I would still be wanting to go out for runs, climb mountains, chase the kids. My old husband would not be able to catch up with me. While I want to go for a run or visit 3 countries, he might want to either sleep or read a book. I want a man to do things with as I age. When you marry, you don't just get married to any random person. You should be marrying someone who you can do things with for the rest of your life. If one of you lacks energy to do things while the other is full of energy, the marriage will be less pleasant. There is also sexual dissatisfaction too. As women enter their 40s, they enter their sexual prime. This is when sex drive goes up. As men get older, their sexual performance deteriorates. As a result, problems may arise where the younger wife is unfulfilled.
@jerdanro 48 is too old for the 32 yr old. Most women in their 30s highly prefer their husbands to be 3 years younger or 3 years older. Most 30 something yr old women are not interested in men past 40. But often times, women do settle for guys in their early 40s when they can't get anyone else. Usually if you're unmarried by the time you're 45, you're most likely never going to get married.
@jerdanro The oldest that I date is 33 because 34-35 is when men show noticeable signs of aging, weight gain, baldness, or white hairs. 33 is usually the last year of a man's prime.
Look , I'm going to tell you something about me. I have all four attributes a woman generally seeks. Including 10 children , 6 of them boys all from my deseased last wife. And I'm very lucky to have a younger woman I can share my legacy with as I pass. Both our family's have prospered emensly because of our union. In our culture we are family and we share with all our family members unlike the people in the USA. All my children are well of also. The difference between your culture and mine is that you'all are busy being what your not , and we're busy being who we are. Our women and men are very close to each other here and back each other up always. Our women are very strong and our men are warriors as we belong to a warrior nation unlike your nation.
While you keep steering back to the topic of marriage, I have been trying to substantiate or at least get you to defend your assertion that "not many women like older men". Your preferences are your preferences, and I agree on most of your point regarding the challenges of large age gaps in marriage, but I don't think you have given any evidence to suggest that the majority of women don't like older men. Especially, when you yourself have said you like older men.
@jerdanro I am not the only one saying this. Statistics and research also shows that women prefer to marry men that are on average 3-5 years older. You can disagree all you want, but at the end of the day, research agrees with me.
@Djaay hun, don't expect anyone to believe that you're in love with a woman who is 40 years younger. Typically such relationships are just sex digger and gold digger relationships. there's no way a 60 yr old can relate to a 20 yr old in any way shape or form. You can lie and pretend the marriage is a romance marriage. But anyone with life experience will know you just married her for sex.
And quite honestly most people would find a marriage like yours to be disgusting and predatorial.
@nelly83 Well this was fun. I'm calling it a day on this question, because we can't seem to agree to the same terms despite my trying clarify several times. by the way, have you noticed this app displays messages out of sequence? Maybe that's the issue. Summary: You seem greatly concerned with your partner having a youthful appearance, don't consider 25 to 33 to be a significant age gap but do consider 32 to 48 to be one. You seem to interperate the term "older man" imply a woman your age with an "old man" 50+. You also believe that your believes are shared by the majority of women. Is that right?
@nelly83. I'm not offended. You just haven't made a valid argument yet, and the conversation is going in circles. I'm going to wish you luck and bid you adieu.
@Djaay feminism is the reason why women have to be stuck in miserable marriages where they are forced to have sex with grandpas while other cute young women get to have sex with hot strong young men. Isn't it sad to be forced to marry your great grandpa's best friend?
@Djaay i'm sure raping young girls is also ok in your country. I know many young girls in africa and asia that are raped and sold as brides to 80 yr old men. some of them even get killed by their husbands. Thankfully america is not like that
@Djaay Don't African people perform vaginal mutilation on girls? to keep them from getting raped by old men? I also heard Africans iron their daughters breasts to prevent them from being raped. I also saw a 12 yr old girl marry a 50 yr old man in africa
@nelly83. I am not desputing the statistics you just cited, nor have I. Here is where your argument falls apart. You are attempting to use statistics about the average age difference between married couples, the ages at which they marry and one side of the information presented in the article you posted, to support the broad claim that "not many women like older men". First, we cannot infer the lack of x due to the presence of Y unless the two are mutually exclusive. Whether we like one thing or another isn't. I have a cat. That doesn't mean I don't like dogs. In fact, I like dogs better, but a cat better fits my current lifestyle. You conflated the term older with old and played strawman with the numbers. I don't think this is intentional. You did an excellent job justifying your own preferences, which you should never have to do, but along the way you made generalizations, that are only supported by your personal experience and the experience of your friends.
Don't you think that if I was anything like anyone you've talked about , that she would left me already? Wtf. Here's why you are the way you Are. OBAMA was sent to AMERICA to dismantle the white culture because they've (kidnapped) Hawaii. Not adopted or annexed. And no treaty as a all the other 49 States. Which means because he was born here in Hawaii , he's not really born on AMERICSN soil or a true state belonging to America. The Japanese never invaded Hawaii at pearl harbor , just
The the USA military. Obama insisted and empowered women to help tear up the family institution of the white familys and fabric of America and theyre still at it. And then he visits Wuhan China... do I have to con't? They couldn't get rid of Obama or America would have to give Hawaii back to Hawaii and then no more military in Pear Harbor. So you go on ranting your country's statistics and feministic ideologys while we'all over laugh at the very peoples that have pilliages and rapex and murdered those of the lands that never belonged to the white man in the first place.
@jerdanro Hun, everyone can see that you're offended ok? You're just making up excuses. I couldn't even understand what you wrote or what your agument is.
If statistics show that the most common age differences between married couples is 3-5 years, then that means that most women like to marry those who are 3-5 years older. It does not mean that most women are marrying guys that are 13-15 years older.
Statistics has proven me right. It doesn't matter how much you try to make up bull shit to prove me wrong. You will never be able to prove me wrong.
Not saying that there are no women who are interested in old guys. I'm just saying overwhelming majority of young women aren't interested in old guys. Its a fact that has been proven by research and statistics over and over again.
@Djaay its funny how someone like you would come on here hating gold diggers. but yet you are a sex digger yourself. you're also a shallow piece of shit.
Listen nelly83 your competitiveness is nothing. Just an angry pos that won't listen to reality over and above you. Arrogant ignorance is no excuse woman. What's written for you to ponder , your fuckin mind is on hatred of men , damned sexist. I know why you won't answer about Obama... cause you don't know shit
I'm not offended because my experience shows that you are wrong. I was making a logical argument, not excusses. You say you don't understand. You applied statistics that state some very simple facts and used them to come to a conclusion that they don't support.
1. statistics and research contradicts what you're saying. 2. if most women liked older men, then why is the average age of marriage for men late 20s-mid 30s? you couldn't even answer this.
so no, you are not correct in any way shape or form.
Its all public online.. you got fingers. I'm telling you this is honestly true. America could deny him presidency or the whole faction of America and the military would loose it's shits and have to surrender back Hawaii to its people. Right now through the Geneava convention and UN the USA is under charges of War crimes as we speak. This here is what women think they're so powerful for today in America. Be careful what you'all spsw... backlash is intimate soon
She's legal asshole what's your problem. Wait... Hey male ufa , everyone here is laughing at you all 8 of us. My mother in law thinks your f stupid. Navaho mother inlaw like kick yo ass she says. Lmao... oh man your a work of art. Hey , my wife rolled up on yo ass already and told you dummy. What , can't relate with maturity?
jerdanro... White American women are mostly trash. Just in case you haven't noticed. I sincerely hope you find women from other cultures that are better.
1. Quantitative statistics (numbers) don't work with qualitative values ('not many', 'most') explaination below.
2. The original statement made was, 'not many women like older men'. I disagree, but never said that most women do. So the question is another strawman.
Statistic 1: The average age men marry: late 20s to mid 30s. Statistic 2: Average age difference in marriages: 3 to 5 years.
Neither of those statistics can be used to show 'not many' because it is just a range for the mean. There are a few other issues. -What make a man Older? A percentage, a specific number of years? Does it change based on the age of the younger person? -How many is Not Many? -We don't have complete data. We need to see the distribution of data to be able to isolate age ranges.
@Djaay Your mother in law sold her daughter to you so that she can receive dowry payment from you. She doesn't care for her daughter. If my parents found out that a 60 yr old wants to marry me at 18, they would take out a knife and run after you threatening your life and call you a pervert.
Lets be honest here, you're not in a romantic relationship with your wife. You're just using her as sex toy. Its prostitution.
@jerdanro Listen I don't even know what you're trying to explain here.
I will explain what the definition of "mean" is. Mean = average. Average means that out of the entire range of ages to get married, 33 was the most common age. It means that MOST of the men who got married are a few years below 33 and a few years above 33.
In the bell shaped curve, it shows that the years around the age of 33 is where overwhelming majority of men get married.
The average age of marriage 33 , does not indicate at all about your proposal that more men in their 40s get married than men in their 30s.
And by this, the statistics are not saying there are absolutely no men in their 40s who get married. What its simply saying is that the overwhelming majority of marriages occur at / around the age of 33, for men.
You are with NO value to any man on earth as witnessing your blantant disregard for men admittanly. I told you u would dig a hole for yourself. American women... Witchcraft.
@Djaay In america, young girls do not get sold to 60 yr old men as wives. In america this is illegal. America actually cares about young people's rights. America is not as poor as your country too. Any parent in the US would be shocked to hear about a 60 yr old trying to date their 18 yr old daughter. It is beyond disgusting and predatorial.
People in the US marry for romance and love. People in your country marry for sex and money. Do you really think your prostitutions marriage is better than ours?
@Djaay By the time I hit 35, I am married to a handsome young man who is still strong. We can have the hottest sex ever because my husband is still young. I can stay with my husband if i am happy. I can divorce if I am unhappy. I can go take walks / jogs/ vacation with my husband.
By the time your wife hits 35, she can't have sex anymore with her husband because you're too old. She can't go on vacation with her husband because he cannot walk anymore. She can't run or visit 3 countries with her husband because he's in a wheelchair. She is unhappy with her marriage but she can't divorce because she is too poor to survive on her own. And guess what? she's also gonna spend the remaining 40 years of her life dying all alone.
who has a better life? American women or your country's women?
@Djaay um... no. no girl in her right mind would want to marry a grandpa when she's 18. Young girls are sold to dirty perverted old men all the time as prostitute brides , all around the world. Thankfully it doesn't happen in the US.
@Djaay I don't know what kind of man would think its normal or ok to have a "mother in law" who could literally be his daughter. Its just all fucked up.
@Djaay of course its a good thing I don't live in your country where such sick disgusting predatorial practices are taking place. I actually have the option of picking a nice handsome young man to marry instead of being forced to marry some sick perverted grandpa like you.
@Djaay Arraigned marriages are practiced predominantly in poor countries. In richer countries, women have no need to marry old men for money. Young women always prefer to marry young men over old ugly ones. Thats why in first world countries, women are on average 3 years younger than their husbands.
Think ya better research about Samoa before you go any further. Your absolutely incorrect about my culture. And our women aren't like your women. We over here don't have gender war going on.
@Djaay there is no reason why a young woman would want to marry an old man. We don’t find you attractive and we have nothing in common with you. Your marriage was likely arraigned and the girl is sold as a bride for money.
Lmao... You're just angry at men bc you're a slut and you believe you're more superior than men. Witches as yourself are godless weak little creatures of self pittty and the ipitomy of your gender. Your only strength is the keyboard in front of you
No she's not. You are. Your idea of a high value woman is a slut goldiggin bitch lookin for money using bed skills in exchange for you own needs. Your idea of a high value man is a sucker that you can rob with yo stink ass crack.
Because we have a connection together. Its not always big dicks and goldiggin , expendible or feminism. Someday I hope u learn to have more sustainable substance inside your being. All these mechanism that the dark world has to offer isn't nothing but abunch of shit. Your never as smart as one proclaims being attracted to the attrocity's of this world. Either your going to embarrass sin of this world , or its going to embarrass you.
Being that I was that age before and not to mention raising 4 daughters of my own... think about it , how couldn't I have total understanding in that department. Sorry in America your taught to think politically correct. That formidable damage fucks everyone up in an societal extreme to a point where everything becomes wrong that's right and right with what's an abomination.
Not true. Sorry about your references that motivate your mind on that subject. Is this what other women have got you thinking? My wife can do as she wishes , leave or stay. No ones telling her what to do except her own decisions. I am a Fa'a Matai leader of my family and she's also kinda lime a first lady in our community.
@Djaay you and your wife are probably a dime a dozen in your community. Tons of old men are married to children in your community. In my country, everyone will just call you a pervert.
Not exactly , for some reason you're very ignorant about a culture you know nothing about. We are known through out all of this Beautiful Island , from our Prime Minister to the high magestrstes on down to our community's including our family on both sides. Not to mention in Hawaii through out the senate , congressional departments , the Nation of Hawaii Ali'i leaders govenors , mayors , police department , court magistrates , local people by the hundreds know us two together. And you just speak of perverts...
A 'High Value Man' doesn't have to meet your definition, because you don't get to define words and phrases. 'High Value Man' does not mean, good man, nice man, decent man, devoted man. High Value Men are elite players, usually making at the absolute lowest, $500K/ per year. They also have power and influence and are usually between 45 and 55 years old. A HVM can be an evil man or a good man. A HVM can be immoral or amoral. High value defines his status, power and influence. Stalin was a HVM. So was FDR. Trump is a HVM and so is Biden. Putin is a HVM, but so is Xi, so is Kim Jung Un. Jack Dorsey is a HVM. I could go on and on. And if you want a HVM then you best be prepared to come in 3rd. Himself and what he does are 1 and 2. You at best come in 3rd. And more than likely they have a wife and several mistresses. And if you are not ok with that, then you cannot handle a HVM. They are not loyal, they won't pedestalize you and you are easily replaced. What you describe is your wishlist. What you want it to be, but that is not reality.
Let's use my father as example. Very high paying job, lots of influence and connections, drives expensive cars, owns universities, super confident and macho like attitude.
High value right?
No he is a horrible human being. Do you know that typical movie guy with no remores, no morals, does what he needs and crushes who he musts, cheats on his partner 24/7, considers averyone in this world below him, cares only about himself, etc. There is a site online made just by people wronged by him with many stories to tell.
My mother was the first woman he had kids with and the only one who dump his ass after he cheated on her.
I could talk all day about the shit I know that man did. High value man? Fucking joke! The garbage man who actually has a value as a human being is a more high value man than he is.
Actually this is a whole social science and cannot be simply answered of the top of my head like this.
But the short version is that the Hollywood characters are utopian and unreachable as they are written with the maximum level of value possible where in real life men actually have to work hard to achieve even half of that.
But it's the right direction, sure most guys will not be exactly like Christian Grey but they can aspire to be similar to him in certain aspects (the good ones) combining that with other characters to eventually be someone unique but at the same time socially ranked as high value.
lets be honest. Guys busting their asses unloading pallets, working the gas station counters, making your sandwiches, stocking the shelves, laying down concrete, repairing pipes, and welding are basically invisible to women. This is why so many men have just given up and checked out. We dont feel valued by women. Most women make me feel like I'm less than human because of their dating standards. My personality means nothing to them and in fact being nice seems to turn off many. I chose not to have a high body count because I felt it to be disrespectful to myself and the woman. And telling them that also had many just walk out on me. I've lost the motivation to keep going more than once and felt black pilled.
@Levin its hard when you are really both those things. I was raised mostly by my grandparents who were born in the 20's. It's hard to remove the outdated thinking that's been programmed into my brain. They meant well but the times have rapidly changed from the time they were kids to the current times. You can't really find a lady anymore. You can find chicks for days. But you aren't finding ladies that haven't been passed around guy to guy at the night clubs for years and years. It's like they have no consideration for the guys they expect to get or themselves.
All data has shown that women - aside from the obvious genetical attractivity - are attracted to status and ressources.
The kicker is that what status and ressource mean can differ from woman to woman. Doesn't make the initial concept less true, but leaves room for individual interpretation. For example status can mean money, power, intelligence, highly skilled in a particular field, big social circle, etc.
Furthermore data has shown that women are also attracted to personality traits that predict life success rather than purely having that success already. Hard-working is the obvious one here. So is intelligence. So a man working hard and being intelligent is eventually more attractive than some lazy bum with a big inheritance. That being said - having success usually implies those attributes that lead to success being existent.
Yes, Trump and Biden are both HVM's, according to the definition. The have money and power and influence. Where they land on your moral compass is not a requirement. Pol Pot and Stalin were HVM's.
"Your truth" is irrelevant. You cannot arbitrarily change the definitions of things because you don't like it. High value has nothing to do with morality or character. It has to do with money, power and influence. You don't have to like Trump or anybody else, but he is a HVM. And be relieved, he doesn't know nor give a shit about you.
If it's subjective then the words have no meaning. Everything you say by default has no meaning because I can arbitrarily assign meaning to you words. This is why this type of postmodernist thought falls flat on its face. It's circular reasoning. You cannot change the definition of things because you don't like what they mean. You don't like that it means what it means, tough shit. That's what it means. And you cannot go around in the world making things up, you have to face *the truth* someday. 'Your truth' aka your opinion, doesn't mean shit to anybody else.
@Floppy2112 Listen Donald Trump is a financially and politically succesful man, idc if you're his fanboy and it hurts you to hear it and you can't take it, but he is far from being "high value" to MANY people including me. Especially when our values don't align with him. Stop gatekeeping the word "high value" there is no Bible or Legal text or any other form of legitimate text that gives an exact definition to what "high value" is.
You cannot make definitions up. Stalin was a HVM, Hitler was a HVM, Prince Harry is a HVM, Jeff Bezos is a HVM, Bill Gates is a HVM, Biden is a HVM, Chris Cuomo is a HVM, Saddam Hussein was a HVM, etc. You do not have to like the people to make them high value. What you think of them is irrelevant.
@Floppy2112 Again, those men are/were powerful, not necessarily high value. You are telling me I can't make up definitions but this is exactly what you're doing right now lol.
yeah donald trump is not cool or smart, the reason why women fall for mass shooters and serial killers is because they are unusual, sometimes good-looking and more interesting.
Like the guy from the movie The Invisible Man is certainly an Alpha Psychopath "cool person" LOL.
Though its impossible to not be influenced by external issues, I prefer to make my judgments based on a value that a workforce places on him. I haven't met many but I have met a few of what would probably be "high value women". Usually beautiful with enough family or trust fund $ to keep her in high fashion. They often have impeccable style but if your status come from what someone else places on you- and it happens, beautiful women don't do it as often as men because their egos don't tend to be as big but if a woman or man is desirable because of something that was inherited or based on good choices and luck, then it can be - and often is- taken away and the beautiful woman who has cultivated beauty as her sole trump card and a man that places his salary as a trump card then if it's taken away the value is lost more quickly than driving your brand new car off the lot.
A High Value man is a man who can/willing to tolerate me lol And me to him :P @ lightbulb The positive note is, we can both learn to go through life's joy and pain. That is high value.
anyone else are not that important to me. media is not real life.
Well, looking at what women at large go for, the old hollywood version of high value men, which exists solely to attract the female gaze and dollars, works.
The modern one which is what you describe simply doesn't sell. Simply doesn't get the dates, barely ever gets to marry and very frequently is found on incel forums. (Though I'm first to admit their condition is less involuntary than what they claim)
Those characteristics aren't even found on the "feminized" KPop craze, the focus there lies exclusively with displaying social status, fitness, risk taking and a faux guillibillity plus unconstitutional love towards their audience.
So basically, using feminist terms, the classic female gaze over men as disposable slave like sex and success objects. And that's the greatest cut of sales and will keep being.
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Being high value has nothing to do with finances and success. My ex for example, not saying he’s not a good guy, was a low value man. Reasons are, he never wanted to help grocery shopping, never wanted to throw out the trash, would never get the door even if it’s delivery for him. Would never accompany me to anything important. Didn’t help me when I was moving. Never did anything I wanted to do if he didn’t want to as well, like go to the park. When I was sick didn’t offer any kind of help. My male colleague on the other hand, gay so don’t get any ideas, skipped his shift and stayed with me until I was better.
A high value man to me means he’s got his shit together, is pleasant, good attitude, mature, responsible, loyal, respectful, on a path to a good future, no criminal record, no drama, no addictions, and just a general guy next door.
What a high value man is not necessarily: hot, rich, high status.
Well I can't speak for women's ideals of a "high value man" but I consider a high value man to be one that follows the golden rule (treats people how he wants to be treated), is confident in himself, and knows what he wants in life. Being rich, having/owning material possessions, having high social status and power mean nothing to me. The character of the person... man or woman, is what matters most.
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Of course the women are incentivised to be dishonest and say they prefer long term qualities in a man. But hot does and never will consider what is good for the long term. Animals act out of impulse, and so does the human animal. A hot man is a guy that looks like he's mastered life and culture, and could still dominate any other dude he encounters with his supreme, atheltic body.
The point of sexual reproduction is to make the females desire lonly a few males out of thousands. Today, we call them celebrities. If you believe celebrities are not inventions of the female psyche then you may just be a gay male or a delusional egalitarian
Then you would act of reason that to create a better child than you requires you to select a better man than you. Otherwise you would abstain and not procreate pitiful version of yourself.
That would suggest that I don't regard myself as an already complete human being with value. Which isn't the case... I'm completely fine with marrying someone of "my level "...
Cmon. you're just trying to be seductive which ironically means you see yourself as a mistress. Of course youd see marriage as a way for you to control a submissive man
Wdym seductive? I'm soon to be engaged with a virgin man who never dated before. I couldn't care less if other women fantasize about him or not. I'd rarher they not though. I don't think he's the suave womanizer type and doesn't spend his time chasing women. He is religious and focused on his work /not lazy. To me this is all I could ask for tbh
A high value man in real life isn't afraid to express himself. A man who respects everyone equally and doesn't blame others for his shortcomings. Can tell a joke or two and has something he's passionate about besides working. If he is attractive it's a bonus lol. At least that's how I'd imagine them.
A guy who isn't afraid to express himself, A guy who respects everyone equally. Lol I know you probably didn't see it but these two statements can run opposite to each orher.
I think i get what you were driving at. But did you get what i was driving at? Because rhat was the point of my point. You're rigjt in your assessment. Nut i guess the point i was making is a MAN is a guy who stands for something. When you stand for something in life you will make enemies. Which means you will have arguments. It's like you i'm not telling you you're wrong or trying to disrespect you. I'm simply standing behind my statement and backing it up with facts and logic. Some people might think i'm just arguing because of their viewpoint. You see how a high value man can be debateable.
Every time i hear a girl say "i want a man to trest everyone equally" it means to me "i want the guy every girl likes to be dumb enough to let ME control him". Silliness
@Unbeatable nah man. I mean don't get me wrong there are women who like to control men. But most women want a guy who treats everyone with respect because it means he'll most likely always treat her with respect, be even keeled etc. But all these women want a guy with fire as well one that they feel is a man of substance one who'll stand for something. Because then they feel like they got a strong guy. I just said what i said because in their list of wants they don't stop and realize how a lot of tjeir wants contradict eachother.
@Djaay you were raised by cartoons and religious people dude, you're a boomer. the enlightened way of life is to see every demand someone has for you as a power play
@Djaay so you respect satan who comes to kill steal and destroy... look at what females have done the past 50 years and you still think its normal to treat everyone equally. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
A person who’s morals align with your own and they live them out without need to brag and they are hardworking/ambitious wanting an at least comfortable lifestyle
Hmmm not really. The men in social media and Hollywood are romanized and unrealistic. Normal human beings can't achieve that. Because normal people are not perfect. Don't always look perfect and can't say the perfect things on the correct time. My standard is a man that you can talk with and has respect for you. Keeps his promises.
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The guy from 365 is def not a high value man he is a mentally ill kidnapper. He lack grace and ettiqute. All that man has is money. Money alone doesn't make you a high value man. Personality, ambition, masculinity and money.
He knows how to treat women, he has wonderful ambition, his masculine aura shows, he isn't living pay cheque to pay cheque and has enough money to splurge.
Just because he's hot doesn't mean he's high value. There's more to it than looks and the public image. A lot of those guys are also abusive and controlling behind closed doors. They know how to beat a woman without it showing. Etc. But she'll stay with him because she's got the guy that all the other women drool over.
its something called settling. sometimes when you can't find a hot guy who can treat you well. you will settle for an ugly guy who can treat you better. Not exactly what you wanted but hey still its better than being single right?
@aliali8 I'm glad you realize being treated better is worth more than good looks. I'm sure you still find attractive physical traits in a guy that's not a total 10.
I have to do the same thing. She may not be as hot as id like but if she has a nice face, pretty eyes, nice boobs, ass etc I'll date her. I don't mean she has to have all of those but if she has one or two then I'm okay with that.
@aliali8 I do have standards. She doesn't have to be a 10 but to answer your question I'd rather date a 6 or 7 that doesn't fuck with my head than waste time chasing a 10 that's a pain in my ass and doesn't have any respect for me. Actually I was just in this situation not long ago. I'm dating a more average girl now and I said to myself if she treats me right and doesn't drive me nuts then she can have every inch of my cock. I will blow her mind too.
@nelly83 Yeah if guys quit giving these girls well any girl for that matter so much attention y'all would be a lot more reliable. Unfortunately for a lot of guys the only requirement for them is that she have boobs and a pussy.
@aliali8 Maybe. These guys still seem to marry them and they stay together for a while. I guess the good quality ones get snatched up quick. What do I know though. I don't get out enough and don't have the social circle that most guys have.
I can tell you that the good quality ones tend to be married by the time they are in their early 30s. If you’re 40 and still unmarried , there is a high chance there is something wrong with you.
I saw so many guys having many girls throwing themselves at their feet despite having a basic job and basic look, simply for having a nice personality, and being respectful and funny.
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