Why do PUA coaches have such a bad rep?

[Anonymous]

Recently I've been getting more and more intersting in the art of pickup and like every guy that goes through this phase I took to youtube to learn what I can.

I found many helpful advices from guys who have been doing this for a long time, some advices are not so good but you can generally tell when a person actually knows what they're talking about or just preaching something they made up.

And honestly pickup when done right is all about positivity, even when they tell you to "neg" a girl the end goal is to have a thrilling experience for both you and her.

They get this rep of being manipulative and misogynistic and all that but not once did I see a coach say "ok now you're gonna lie and say this so that she thinks that. Or you're gonna pretend you're super rich by posing with a car that's not yours or any other kind of dishonest behavior.

And coming from a guy who struggled with socializing growing up, never had a girlfriend, was on the path of ending up alone as a bitter old man, so far pickup has taken me in a year much further than I went in the rest of my life.

So what's the deal with PUA and hate it catches? Can someone rationally explain to me why it's so hated?

[wankiam]

its manipulating women as if they are just an object and ironically if you learned to treat them as fellow human beings rather than second class citizens you might actually have more success. all pua coaches do is make money off the back of other mens ignorance

[Asker]

You see this is the same argument I heard before but after looking for myself I found it not true at all.

In no way does any high profile pua coach tells you to manipulate women.

Even those who hookup with multiple women at the same time are upfront about it, they never promise monogamy and cheat these women know what they're getting and go for it anyway.

I'd argue it's less manipulative than a gillet commercial.

And while I never belittle women I did try before to fall in love and put a woman on a pedestal and all that got me was friendzone after friendzone.

The game is already rigged against men. All PUA does is try to even the odds

[wankiam]

well i never had any issues with my method but if you feel you need help with it then feel free to line some other guys pocket

[Asker]

I never paid anyone for anything. All they got from me was one more youtube viewer not even a like or subscribe.

But personally I care less about the means and more about the end so if you're willing to share your method with me I'd be more than happy to hear it

[wankiam]

they get paid from views then but either way you asked a question and thats my take on it

[Asker]

And I thank you for the answer I genuinely want to learn I'm not looking to be right or to start a fight defending PUA.

I just want to be able to walk up to the woman I'm attracted to (when I meet one) and flirt and get her number, I honestly don't care how it happens as long as it does

[wankiam]

well try my method then... treat every woman as an equal, dont single out the most attractive or put them on a pedestal, be friendly with everyone and as your confidence levels go up you will find they ask you for your number

[Anonymous]

The advice is overwhelming from them

[Asker]

At first for sure but eventually you realize that it boils down to a few key concepts that keep getting repeated it's not a how to manual but instead a way to modify your mindset so that you can become more successful with women

[Opinion Owner]

Sounds like it's become easy for you to get a girlfriend now

[Asker]

I'm not so sure. I still lack the practice of actually approaching women. Although last night I met a girl online who tested me by saying right way "let's be original here's my number call me" and I actually did, now I'm seeing her Sunday and she's definitely my type we'll see if I can turn this into something real

[Opinion Owner]

The girl I lost my virginity to, I met her online

[Asker]

Oh me too. I'm not a beginner at online dating this would be my 7th hookup if we go all the way and all that within one year. The thing I'm trying to do is evolving my game to actually meeting a girl on the streets and having the same success, because online girls are nice but I early match with the hotties that blow me away. The one I'm seeing Sunday is definitely one of the best looking women I went out with

[Opinion Owner]

Wasn't until 25 for me, as in, when I lost the V-card, that of course felt a little late

[Asker]

Yeah I get it, at 22 it felt late for me as well I hate to imagine what waiting for 3 more years would have been like.
Granted I only lost mine once I traveled to study abroad, living with my parents it was hard enough to bring a girl home much less to bed

[Opinion Owner]

Ya it felt late because it feels like 14-18 are the most common ages for V-card loss

[Asker]

Since we are just 2 blue anons right now, do you mind if I ask your body count since then?

[Opinion Owner]

Only 2