Has anyone noticed how more straight men are not even trying as hard as they used to, to find a romantic partner?

[Steven8000]

More and more straight men (mostly the average and ugly ones) are not trying as hard as they used to, to find a romantic partner. I am not saying most men in general are giving up or not trying as hard, I am just saying A LOT OF MEN now compared to the past, are not trying as hard or are deciding to just give up. I noticed it with a lot of men that I know. I don't blame them. Average, ugly, fat, etc guys could get a girlfriend but it takes a super long time to get one compared to the past.

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I remember ten years ago, a lot of men gave more effort but so many now are not even trying at all or just deciding to give up forever.

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One big reason is that many more women now than in the past are so dam picky with what they want in a romantic partner.

[KitsuneFoxSpirit]

**Rolls eyes**
I always get a laugh out of these claims. Most women aren't any pickier than most men

Most decent men want a woman who is respectable, hasn't slept with half of the city, and possibly have an education and/or a good job.

Most decent women want a man who is respectable, hasn't slept with half of the city, and possibly have an education and/or a good job.
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Most people outside these norms usually have few standards, put merit to appearance versus personality or anything of value, and have slept with half the city because they're so shallow they can't land a lasting relationship even if the last people on earth.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

Haha, umm OK so what makes a "decent" man or woman? That sounds like a pretty vague way of saying that you actually have a million other standards.

I think what you just said is a representation of what's wrong with dating.

It reminds me of going searching for a house on zillow and when you put everything you want in the filters you go from 300 houses down to like 5.

[KitsuneFoxSpirit]

@Telekinetic-Potato Hmmm... It's not that hard to comprehend. Someone who is respectable, who hasn't slept with half the city, has an education & a job. What ****do**** you think it'd be? Women & men who can fly by flapping their arms?

[KitsuneFoxSpirit]

@Telekinetic-Potato And going from 300 houses to 5 is actually a good thing. It means you're getting a quality house worth not a beaten-down dumb passed around so many times nobody wants it anymore.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

Alright, but you said a bunch of specific things which aren't very hard to come across at all in a man or woman, but then you added in this decent thing that's vague.

Ant the anology is that you don't have a zillow filter in the real world. So you still might be searching for a needle in a haystack of other people who might be better or just as good for you.

The problem with dating is people's arrogence.

[KitsuneFoxSpirit]

@Telekinetic-Potato ROFL. I'm not arrogant. Far from it. Having standards is what separates men and women from those that'll fuck anyone who comes "sniffing around" like a mongrel bitch in heat.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

That's an interesting comment coming from someone who's standards are that you haven't had much sex and is "respectable" and "decent" two words that unexplained could mean literally anything. I mean, even a crackhead has that as their dating criteria.

[KitsuneFoxSpirit]

@Telekinetic-Potato ROFL. What *do* you think decent & respectable means? It doesn't mean slut, man-whore, etc. Any idiot can tell you that. ... by the way since you said I'm "arrogant" what are your standards? If you wanna yip like a chihuahua back it up. Unless, of course, you got no balls.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

Is this your way of showing you're not arrogent? It's not a conversation necessarily about what good standards are. It's about whether or not it's easy to find people who fit into a person's standards. You're saying it's easy, but that you also have... I guess in your words they would be normal standards.

But how can you be so sure there are so many people who fit them or that your standards are acceptable to everyone else?

Everything you're talking about is subjective but you treat it like it's hard fact. That's what I'm calling arrogent. Not your actual standards.

[KitsuneFoxSpirit]

@Telekinetic-Potato What **is** supposedly arrogant about what I'm saying? Hmmm.

Aside from the fact you don't like women having standards?
Aside from the fact you don't like women who are not easy?
Aside from the fact you don't like women who are not desperate like a prostitute?

You said elsewhere you have pretty much no standards. And no restrictions on sexual acts. Do you think you are appealing to someone who isn't a wannabe prostitute? Who isn't easy? No. You're not.

And you likely never will be.

If anyone is arrogant & ignorant it's you. Thinking that dating has to be easy. It's not supposed to be. If you want someone who you'll be proud to show to your family, friends & eventually marry - not an easy quick screw that has no more value than a prostitute on the streetcorner - it's not freaking easy.

If life was easy we'd all be millionaires.

[TheLoneTigress]

@Telekinetic-Potato - what is supposedly arrogant about KitsuneFox's comments? Am I arrogant for wanting a guy who hasn't slept with 50+ women, instead just a few?

[Steven8000]

@KitsuneFoxSpirit I know way more women than men with unrealistic standards with what they want in a romantic partner. So many of those women are not even sluts, etc. They just have unrealistic standards. So many only wanting a boyfriend that looks like a model and that is 6ft or taller.

[KitsuneFoxSpirit]

@Steven8000 - ROFL. You wouldn't know a non slut if she fell on her ass at your feet. What when the standards you describe IS TYPICAL of sluts, prostitutes, etc. Shallow dumbass women worth little.

[TheLoneTigress]

@Steven8000 - why do you think that? People that don't try, get nowhere.

@Telekinetic-Potato - why do you think Kitsune's arrogant? If I wanted a guy who hasn't slept with 50+ women does that make me arrogant?

[Telekinetic-Potato]

@TheLoneTigress I wrote a reply but she blocked me.

No, there's nothing arrogent about wanting that. Like I said earlier, her standards aren't what I'm calling arrogent. The comment that her idea of a decent and respectable person being easily available is. And also her idea that anyone who doesn't have the same standards as her is beaten down, dumb or of little to no value.

We all have criteria, but the asker obviously isn't talking about just having a lot of sex. It's much more complicated than that.

So she's arrogent for being so rude to the asker by not taking his question seriously and instead seemingly taking it as a personal attack on her own standards which she refuses to elaborate on.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

Also it's a little bit of a weird jump to go to 50 men. No offense, but a guy who's slept with that many woman isn't gonna find a woman with that kind of standard attractive. Not because one person is better than another (which would be an arrogent thought)

But because you have incompatible world views

[TheLoneTigress]

@Telekinetic-Potato But decent & respectable people are more readily available to others who are decent & respectable. That's why I chimed in cause I couldn't understand you.

Look at it another way.

Someone has sex with 50 people versus someone who has sex with 5. Who is more appealing, do you think, to someone who is respectable & decent? Personally I look at someone who has had sex with 50 people as someone who has no standards and/or uses others. They are not desirable.

[TheLoneTigress]

@Telekinetic-Potato You said a guy who has slept with 50+ women "isn't gonna find a woman with that kind of standard attractive". Of course not. Because she has standards. Whereas those 50+ women he slept with before don't have standards.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

OK, but how do you define someone who's respectable and decent. I mean, one of my friends has had sex with over 200 woman and he is an attractive partner in every way.

He has a great job, he's taken on more responsibility than I've seen many fathers who were "decent" men take with their kids and Bryan did it starting at the age of like 14.

Constantly spreading love and help to everyone around him. He even reads to kids at the school. Lol I'm not kidding. He rejects and accepts women all the time, many of who probably would be agreeing with you guys if they were on here.

And honestly this mentality kinda grosses me out. You should look at a person for what's in their heart.

I'm not calling you arrogent for holding these standards. That's your right.

I'm just saying that there's obviously more standards you guys have than just whether or not the man's had a lot of sex. Why don't you talk more about these other qualities that make someone decent and respectable. I'd rather hear about those.

[TheLoneTigress]

@Telekinetic-Potato He doesn't sound respectable or decent at all. Or even attractive. He sounds very, very fake and shallow. Some chump trying to make himself out to be more than he is like the goofballs I saw this morning at the gym going on and on about how much money they make selling used cars. In reality, in today's economy, they're maybe selling 1 car every 3 or 6 months.

And guess what nobody paid them any attention.

Even though they were freaking loud. Everyone - which included 15 women my age as the gym's huge - went about our workouts on the bikes, etc. as goofball 1 & 2 kept yapping from the weights to the treadmills.

That's your friend in reality. Not something desirable.

Having sex with 200 women & paying a little attention to some of the brats he fathered is... very typical of many welfare chumps & the trashy gutter women they hang out with.

As for reading at the local library to kids - is he a pedo? Or just using a cheap trick for attention.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

Not his kids, his siblings children. He doesn't have any. And he never brags or shows off. In fact, I would say he lives well below his means.

Don't get me wrong, I understand this guy is very rare. And yea a lot of guys who have a lot of sex are loudmouthed and selfish.

But you seem to have this almost desire to believe that anyone who does that is automatically incapable of being as good a person as you. Which is the definition of arrogent.

[Steven8000]

@TheLoneTigress it is not that I think, it is a fact. I know so many men of all ages that are deciding to give up with trying to get a romantic partner or just not trying that hard due to how picky women are with what they want in a romantic partner. Ten years ago I remember all types of men weren't giving up that much and were still trying hard. Now a ton of men are giving up or not trying as hard. I even read an article in which talks about how a lot more men are deciding to give up or not try as hard at an alarming rate. I don't blame men. They try for years and years and with how picky women are these days, they see them trying is getting them no girlfriend. Most single women these days only want a boyfriend that looks like a model and is 6ft or taller.

[DarkWinterNights]

Yeah, most guys I know are either divorced or single. Dating has always been rough, but now it’s not even worth the trouble. Who wants to swipe right on literally thousands of profiles just to get a one word reply from a match. Even if you manage to find someone you’re compatible with and commit, the likelihood your marriage will fail through no direct fault of your own is higher than it will succeed.

[DarkWinterNights]

On a related note, read the book “The End of the World is Just the Beginning” by Peter Zeihan. It has some very compelling arguments about the end of Globalization and the coming population collapses of Europe, America and East Asia. It will connect the dots to make a lot of what’s happening right now make sense.

[CallmeTheKnight]

Love isn't something you're supposed to try hard for., it has to take place naturally. Men court the woman that is significant enough for them. If a woman plays games or is just want attention, she's not a wife, she's for the streets

[Texasgal95]

You Gotta be willing to put effort into it a relationship should be give-and-take one person shouldn’t be doing all the work and putting in all the effort

[Steven8000]

@Texasgal95 I didn't say when the person already has a romantic relationship, I am saying many men are giving up with trying to even get a romantic relationship, meaning they don't have one and they are done with trying to get a romantic partner, since so many women are so dam picky with what they want in a romantic partner.

[Texasgal95]

Still have to put an effort to find the right person

[Steven8000]

I am talking about SINGLE men are giving up with trying to get a romantic partner since women are so picky with what type of romantic partner they want

[Texasgal95]

When is it really being picky if you know what you want and I want to want to understand when you come

[Steven8000]

@Texasgal95 most women of all look ranges only wanting a hot boyfriend and a man that is 6 ft is taller is what I am talking about. Men that are average and ugly can't make their face good looking and they can't make themselves taller.

[Texasgal95]

Then they’re not worth your time that’s all they’re worried about I look past that and look at your character in your heart

[Steven8000]

@Texasgal95 I didn't say them only wanting a romantic partner that is hot. I am saying MOST (not all) women make that one requirement. Most women want a model looking boyfriend and a man that is 6 ft or taller.

[Texasgal95]

To have today you should be looking at their heart but I’m and I agree a lot of women modeling boyfriend but I think they all come and shake all different shapes and colors etc.

[Steven8000]

@Texasgal95 and why do you say men are not trying with trying to get a romantic partner? They have tried for so long but they are tired of women being so picky. These men tried for years. You don't know how hard men have it, with trying to get a romantic partner.

[Texasgal95]

Dude I've barely had any guys interested in me

[Steven8000]

@Texasgal95 why did you get confused in the beginning? I clearly meant guys are giving up or trying to get a romantic partner and yet you thought I meant guys that are already in romantic relationships?

[Texasgal95]

I misinterpreted what you said but either way it still takes effort it takes effort to put yourself out there to find the right woman then once you find the right woman it takes time and effort and commitment to keep her around that’s the key regardless it’s just nowadays people both men and women just want to sleep around the culture of hooking up but not committing to one person but if you’re not in a relationship you’ll find the right person

[Steven8000]

@Texasgal95 most women only want a good looking boyfriend yet you expect guys to not give up when most guys are average looking or ugly looking?

[Texasgal95]

Well I guess I’m different because that’s not what I look forward don’t get why woman solely based their opinion on a guy based on how he looks at me yes you need to be attracted to him but you should turn Summerway because they’re not certain height or they don’t have a certain color

[KitsuneFoxSpirit]

@Steven8000 **Rolls eyes**
I always get a laugh out of these claims. Most women aren't any pickier than most men

Most decent men want a woman who is respectable, hasn't slept with half of the city, and possibly have an education and/or a good job.

Most decent women want a man who is respectable, hasn't slept with half of the city, and possibly have an education and/or a good job.
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Most people outside these norms usually have few standards, put merit to appearance versus personality or anything of value, and have slept with half the city because they're so shallow they can't land a lasting relationship even if the last people on earth.

[baserunner611]

So true

[Juxtapose]

Yeah regular guys are having a really hard time, the internet has amplified the problem of simps placing women on pedestals and inflating their sense of importance.

I'm autistic so.. wish me luck guys 🤭

[KrakenAttackin]

Why play a game that is rigged against you? Between false accusations, brutal and public rejections; combined with the modern, drunken, loud, mean, masculine, woman... who needs that shit

[Subarugirl]

Well it’s easier to quit than it is to put in effort honestly

[Steven8000]

A lot of men put effort on trying to get a romantic partner and then get nowhere, so they decide to give up. Yes there are many average, ugly, fat, etc striaght men with romantic partners but nowadays it takes WAY LONGER for a single average, ugly, fat, etc straight guy to get a romantic partner than compared to 10 years ago and before that.

[Steven8000]

@Subarugirl you are a woman and not an average, ugly, fat, etc. man, so you don't know how extremely hard it is for them to get a girlfriend.

[Steven8000]

You would never understand since you are a woman

[Subarugirl]

Okay first of all calm down, no need to get so emotional. I understand how difficult dating can be but you cannot start blaming half the population for your own shortcomings. There real relationships take effort… if you’re not willing to put in the effort then you shouldn’t be in a relationship

[Steven8000]

@Subarugirl you misunderstood my post. I never said anything about not putting effort while already being in a romantic relationship, I said SINGLE men are giving up with trying to GET a romantic relationship, since women have unrealistic standards. And guys that are average and ugly can't make their faces good looking and guys that are not 6 ft tall, can't make themselves to be that height. Men can't do anything about that. Women don't ever try with trying to get a romantic partner, they just sit and back and let men do all the work. If a woman has trouble getting a romantic partner, than she is being too picky. Women have it easy with getting a romantic partner.

[Steven8000]

@Subarugirl single straight average and ugly men can not make their face good looking they can't make themselves taller. You women of all look ranges want a boyfriend that looks like a model and that is 6ft or taller

[Steven8000]

@Subarugirl do you speak English or don't understand?

[Steven8000]

@Subarugirl you ladies are picky as hell with looks when it comes to a romantic partner

[Subarugirl]

If that were true then why is the majority of the adult population in a romantic relationship?

[Steven8000]

@Subarugirl let me explain better. Most women that are SINGLE THESE DAYS and WANT a boyfriend only want a hot boyfriend. That is what I meant to say. Get it now?

[Steven8000]

@Subarugirl you single women that want a boyfriend only want a hot boyfriend. You ladies are delusional.

[Subarugirl]

And you men only want a woman you’re attracted to….

[Subarugirl]

Ugh so delusional

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Straight men are almost nonexistent. Men feel more free to chase after dick now, so it makes sense.

[Steven8000]

Striaght men are everywhere. Quit being silly.

[Steven8000]

Quit trolling

[Adronicus]

Men stop investimg in society's that care nothing for them, is this really surprising?

[notwoke]

the legal and social cards are stacked against men so badly it isn't worth it. I'm glad things were different when I was younger

[Anonymous]

Barely any good women out there to choose from, so it makes sense that they've given up.

[BLP11520]

I see it, my son's see it. guys jerk off, don't care

[Anonymous]

Yeah but then when you risk going to prison for just approaching a woman why would you take the risk

[Anonymous]

I don't know, I gave up after getting fed up of all the things in a relationship

[Steven8000]

What problems were going on in the relationship?

[Smashingdoozy]

Can't say I took notice ever.

[Steven8000]

Well inform yourself. I noticed it with a lot of men I know. It wasn't like that ten years ago. So many man now are giving up with trying to get a romantic partner due to women's super high standards.

[Smashingdoozy]

Sounds like they just got old and lazy

[Steven8000]

Got old and lazy? It is not lazy if they tried for years and years. And by the way it is men of all ages. Men even in their early twenties, etc. I know a ton of men of all ages that are just done with trying to get a romantic partner. Women's super high standards with what they want in a romantic partner. I remember when I was 21,22,23, so many around that same age and older were not giving up. Nowadays it is so different. Most women of all look ranges only wanting a hot boyfriend, etc. So many women these days are unrealistic with what they want in a romantic partner.

[Steven8000]

Their has been studies done how many more men in your age group now than compared to men in your age group ten years ago are deciding to give up forever to get a girlfriend. You women are too picky.

[Smashingdoozy]

Rather be picky than settle for an asshole ☺️

[Steven8000]

@Smashingdoozy what are you talking about? I am talking about women being so picky with how they want their romantic partner TO LOOK!!! Like only wanting a romantic partner that is not. I never said anything about assholes.

[Steven8000]

@Smashingdoozy correction: women only wanting a Romantic partner that is HOT

[Steven8000]

@Smashingdoozy most of you women only want a model looking boyfriend and a man that is 6 ft or taller

[Smashingdoozy]

Nah we just want a cute dude who knows how to treat us right. Bonus if he's hot

[Steven8000]

@Smashingdoozy the thing is most guys aren't "cute looking" Most guys are ugly looking or average looking. This is what I am talking about with most of you women being extremely picky with looks when it comes to a romantic partner

[Smashingdoozy]

I'm sure you're not swiping right on butt ugly people

[Steven8000]

@Smashingdoozy I'm saying most of you single women don't even want to get romantically involved with a guy that is average looking. Most of you ladies only want a boyfriend that is at least a little good looking. Average looking guys is not good enough to get romantically involved with, for most of you ladies. What you said, says it all"want a cute boyfriend." Meaning he has to be at least above average. Most guys aren't above average. That is why I said most of you ladies are delusional because most of you single ladies, only want an ABOVE average looking boyfriend.

[Smashingdoozy]

And you would date a below average looking woman?

[Steven8000]

@Smashingdoozy yes I would romantically get involved with a below average looking woman, but it seems you can't comprehend what I said in my last message. I said most SINGLE women these days don't want to get romantically involved with an AVERAGE LOOKING GUY. I DIDN'T say anything about below average in my last message, I just said average. Average is right in the middle, not ugly or "cute."Most single women these days ONLY want to get romantically involved with a guy that is MORE than average looking. Higher than average has to do with cute or model looking people. Most men are not higher than average looking. They only represent like 20 percent of guys, yet most SINGLE women are so delusional and picky and only want to choose those guys as a romantic partner. That is what I mean. Most (not all) cute and hot guys only get romantically involved with cute or hot women. Most women are average or less than average looking yet most of those specific women they are single ONLY want to get romantically involved with a "cute" or "hot" "guy. I think average looking and below average looking men are delusional too, if they only want to get romantically involved with a cute or hot woman. Most cute and hot women only get romantically involved with cute and hot guys. I know there are cases in which that is not the case but that doesn't represent the majority. I notice more women than men only wanting a cute or hot boyfriend than men wanting a cute or hot girlfriend. Get me now?

[Smashingdoozy]

You're obsessive. It's hilarious. I've told you many times. Work on your personality. Because honestly it's shit. I'd date you even with your appearance. It's your personality that makes me want to run for the hills. It's ugly.