while men only want to date women under 30, pretty, young, thin?
do you ever see a man chasing a chubby woman 10 years older? NO!
Just angry men who can't admit they are just as shallow
while men only want to date women under 30, pretty, young, thin?
do you ever see a man chasing a chubby woman 10 years older? NO!
Just angry men who can't admit they are just as shallow
A large number of women - women who are very obviously not women men would rate as 9s or 10s - describe the men they are seeking, and they're describing men in the top 1% (or often less). I'm not saying that ALL women want this, but a shockingly high number of women do. Most women have NO IDEA how RARE the men they're describing are, and even fewer women today understand what men value in women (it's not what most women think). Thus, the vast majority of women cannot possibly get a commitment from the kind of men they want - it's mathematically impossible because you have 2 billion women pursuing 20,000 men worldwide.
And here's where the confusion often comes from: those rare 1% men will often have no-strings-attached casual sex with average women, and those women assume that this is proof that she must be on that man's level and value. What she doesn't understand is that men's standard for having casual sex with a woman is FAR, FAR lower than his standard for committing to her, and the truth is that most men at that level don't commit to ANY woman - and the few exceptions that do will demand (and have no trouble getting) the MOST desirable women.
The vast majority of people - both men and women - are AVERAGE. Yet average women largely think they deserve the very top men - and so they completely ignore average men, feeling they are well above such men and feel that being with a man on her level is "settling" - instead of understanding that she's simply getting a man ON HER LEVEL.
If a woman is a 5/10, and you suggest that she dates a 5/10 man, most of those women would be deeply offended, and would insist that she deserves nothing less than a 9.5/10 - and even that would be "settling."
Sure, not ALL women think this way, but - at least in the west - most women do. And as a result, that women is going to end up single and will die alone. So will a lot of men, of course, but men tend to be better able to handle the harsh realities of life, because most men are far more grounded in reality than women are, because men have to deal with real-world consequences on a daily basis. Most women are protected from the consequences of her actions MOST of the time, ESPECIALLY if she's still young (in her 20s or perhaps early 30s).
right... says the very same old man who insists that women expire by 30. riiiight...
[Yet average women largely think they deserve the very top men - and so they completely ignore average men,]
and why is this a problem? you wouldn't pay a woman over 30 any attention.
riightt... chasing women at least 10 years younger... you couldn't get the 25 yr old so you will settle for the youngest you can get which is 37. I don't see you chasing after women around your own age.
im pretty sure she's just dating you cuz men around her own age don't want her.
@Paulalove98
if you been on here long enough... you will recognize this guy is the one who goes around saying that women expire by 30
@Paulalove98 Some girl here was trying to make the argument that I was a pedo because my girlfriend is 16 years younger than I am. Even when other women called her out, she still tried to push that narrative.
Thank you for showing that some people here are actually sane and reasonable.
@MrOracle
Nobody is calling you a pedo but people do have the full right to call you SHALLOW with high standards.
@MrOracle
whats wrong with women wanting the top 10% of all men, if men only want women 15- 20 years younger?
"whats wrong with women wanting the top 10% of all men, if men only want women 15- 20 years younger?"
Simple math will tell you that the vast majority of those women will never be able to get those men - not only because there's not nearly enough of them to go around, but also because those men are in such high demand that they have no need to commit to ANY woman, so they don't. They just bang the girls they want to bang, and dump them when they get bored, or when she becomes a hassle. He can do that endlessly, because there are hundreds, even thousands of girls who are waiting their turn to give him casual sex in the vain hope that she can secure a commitment from him.
And in this process, women run up their body counts and become emotionally traumatized, which means even when she finally gives up on her dream of a top 10% guy, she's likely to find that the 50-90% guys aren't going to want her (as a relationship partner) either - though they'll be happy to bang her for a little while.
Most women live in denial and pretend that all of this isn't true, despite the abundance of evidence that's all around them.
And while it's very easy for young women to be alone - men will still give them plenty of attention and even simp for them, hoping for sex - for most women, that attention and simping largely evaporates in her 30s, and beyond that, forget it. Women in their 40s and older who are single have a very low likelihood of having a successful relationship, and most will be profoundly lonely. Yes, a few women can be happy being alone, but most are not.
But that's where chasing the top 10% gets you. Sure, a model or actress might actually get a commitment from one of those guys, but average girls never will. But most will confuse "dating" (i. e., a couple of weeks or months of casual sex) for commitment in order to convince themselves that they're on that same level and have an actual chance at locking down a guy on that level.
Maybe when women stop focusing on a guy's height (which they can't control), then maybe men will stop focusing on a girl's weight (which they can control). Just an educated guess on my part.
Explained the market out there so well. Summarized, I guess it would be women that expect they deserve better than they are... just because better than they are will dick them down and throw them in the trash. They start thinking they're on that level just because they got dicked by that level. It's sort of sad.
I think this only became prevalent with on-line dating apps and when people started becoming immersed in the matrix world of devices as opposed to engaging with the real world and face to face communication.
Before digital, the only way to meet people was in real life. You met people by chance in school, at work, through family or friends, the girl or boy next door, etc. If a guy wanted a girlfriend, he picked from the best available options. Girls did the same thing. Naturally, they aimed as high as possible, but they also had to be realistic. Now days, that would be called "settling".
When people were meeting others in person, they weren't merely assessing based on metrics like "at least 6' tall", six pack abs, dick size, and income level. They could also observe wit, charm, charisma, personality, behavior, talent, lifestyle, etc.
For example, some short (er) guys are hot af. Look at the number of attractive celebrity males who are well below 6'. I'm sure they were magnetic even before they got rich and famous.
The same went for women. They didn't have to meet some commercial standard of 10/10 beauty for their other qualities to make them extremely attractive.
Now days, people set impossible standards based on fantasy. They sit on their asses and scroll through thousands of photos and profiles from people around the world. Their desires are based on superficial qualities. They enhance their photos and sell themselves like commercial products. But are they successful? How many find a perfect 10 who is also a good life partner who is loyal and treats them with respect?
Women on line set ridiculous standards for men and men fall for what those women claim to desire. And influencers like Andrew Tate reinforce the mythology of what it takes to attract women.
But women also fall for the bullshit they are told about what men desire.
People are constantly told that they aren't good enough. They are brainwashed into trying to achieve some non-existent ideal of perfection by every possible means, including body building, body modification (tats, piercings, hair color, makeup) and even plastic surgery. Making people feel bad about themselves is an industry. Create insecurity, then offer solutions. It's an old game.
There is nothing wrong with having preferences and high standards. But standards for both men and women can be unrealistic. And I don't buy the idea that only women have unrealistically high standards.
you're exaggerating a bit, i dont think most 40 yo dudes are actually chasing hot 22yos (though its not uncommon), most seem perfectly fine enough to be with that cute 40yo girl next door who's not as skinny as she used to be but not fat. at least it seems to be like that. you might get that impression because most dudes saying that stuff online are edgy 16yo boys or actual mysogynistic pedos (like its crazy how many of those types of dudes would fuck 12yos if it was legal. dont look at incel posts, you'll be traumatized)
also its not dudes as a whole complaining about girl's like supposed high standards. its just the incel, mgtow, manosphere people (which is common on here, but its just cos of the type of site this is. doesn't represent the gen male population) because they're salty pretty girls dont want their asses when they're walking red flags who shoot too high. they're people in denial about how girls also care about looks and that its biology (and that we're allowed to. so weird some of them think they're allowed to care but we're not HAHAHA), and actually care about personality too and not their weird interpration of the personalities girls want (like the abusive controlling gang banging alpha dude or creepy clingy cheesy romance movie stalker pseudo nice guy). though on the flip side some of these dudes actually think that women have extreme standards if they're incels, and so they complain about it for that reason. like i'm not joking but for a lot of them they actually believe like that if as a dude you're not above 6 foot its over, if you're a 6-7 face wise its over, if you're a pretty boy type not a hunter eyed gigachad jaw hot guy its over, if you're middle class its over, have a bit of abs and are slim but dont have an extreme body builder physique? its over, have an above average dick but not a thick ass 20 inches meat cock its over, LOLL. like they actually thinkthat, like where do they get that from..
Men in their MASSES, are the most despicable beings on earth.
Obviously not all, I have plenty of guy friends who are all cool and civil. But my guy friends are all in their 20’s or late 20’s.
The ones I keep seeing that are entitled and demonic, borderline evil, are those past 35- 40.
Obviously that’s because no woman would dare touch them, and they’ve all hit the wall. They all believe men age like fine wine. And accepting that it’s a lie, hits them in the face. Then they feel entitled to the women who are in their 20’s because they have money. Money doesn’t 🟰 good genes, and genuine female attraction.
If he uses money as leverage, he’ll get fake female attraction and he’s gonna feel EVEN MORE pissed off then.
This is why you should never mess around with old men or undesirable men. You need to do what is your nature, and only mess around with Chads, High Testosterone, Young Attractive men of the best DNA and Genes 🧬.
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Are you seriously suggesting that NO unmarried woman over the age of 30 ever gets a date? Do you REALLY expect anyone to believe that nonsense?
Are you seriously suggesting that chunky girls don't ever get dates. Go to the mall, have a seat in the main corridor, and watch the couples strolling by. Do you think every girl who walks by, while holding hands with a guy, looks like some Hollywood starlet or runway model? PLEASE!
This is all fabricated nonsense because you want to rant about men. And perhaps you want to rant because you don't have much luck with dating. I think I understand why! The butthurt boys do the same thing, making up stories about women to justify hating on them, but the truth is that those boys are just filled with hatred, and that's most likely why they have no success with women. Who in their right mind wants to hang out around that kind of shit?
As always, this is why I follow you. Words of gold. Well said as always brother!
@HawkPerception As always, I appreciate your kind words!
Everyone has standards. As they should. But a lot of women also get offended like “I can have standards” but many times. The type of men they want. Don’t want them. So they become bitter with men and believe they are entitled for men to date them.
Certainly not all women. Certainly not all men either are like that. We should find who makes US happy. Our soulmate. And not worry about people who aren’t compatible with us no way.
Not every person is meant for each other.
It’s the same concept as. Some women believe they need to be spoiled. That they need to be getting their hair and nails done going on shopping sprees whike their men are out working their ass off. Giving nothing but sex (when they feel like it) in return and think self respecting men want that.
But get upset when those men don’t want them. But men they don’t want are chasing them. But they say “I’m allowed to have standards” but so are men…. Many times they also feel entitled
LOL, in the real world, men will happily date women that don't fit the narrow description you gave.
Why would a man chase a chubby woman is old? As if men are bad if they don't lol
@coachTanthony
Sure there are guys that actually do want women like what you described. Porn sites called Granny Sex have them and the men say they had the best sex with them because they have so much experience. And porn sites called BBW for Big Beautiful Women some men love them.
Maybe that's not your taste. I asked a question on here year's ago and the guys answered that they love BBW with all their fat. That's what turns them on.
I knew someone once that loved BBWs and he was a kinda skinny on the short size man. His wife was 130 when they got married and was 330 when she died at 49. He still loved her till the end and never stopped. So, he wanted BBWs like his wife was. 🤷🏼♀️
No one is saying some men like chubby women. Sounds like to me the asker is saying all men are shit if they don’t.
Women do have higher standards, with height, with feeling protected, financial support and etc. Women these days think they can have kids, but still go out with her dumb ass friends from the past who are immature and still live a party life. When I see women like I roll my eyes thinking fix her life. A girl doesn't have to have a body of a super model or have breasts like Pamela Anderson. I want a girl I find cute, funny, sweet, down to earth, has good morals & ethics, has a good religious mindset, works hard, got an education for herself. Obviously a guy who stays in shape isn't going to date someone who is overweight and doesn't take care of herself. Do men/guys need to feel protected by a female? No. Do men/guys need to lean heavily on a woman for financial support? No, unless he's a man and stands up. Do guys these days have that 1970s mindset where she stays at home and cooks him food when he get home? Times have changed and people usually eat out more or split the work on making dinner.
Women have it easier today than the past. Women have higher expectations and get triggered over the smallest things which makes their reality of the present delusional and flawed. I can't speak on behalf of all guys but I don't party, I don't smoke, I don't do drugs, I don't sleep around, I don't have some inflated male ego to show off or act arrogant or pompous in life with others. I go to work, I go to school, I stay away from bad crowds, try to strengthen my faith with religion and volunteer, work out and go for nature walks. I live a boring life and a lot of girls will read that and automatically read this and be like ew, I need someone dangerous, unhinged, wild and a bunch of girls after his dick because girls want "the guy" that other girls crave, that's the cold hard fact. The pretty, shy, barista girl at a local coffee shop will get tons of looks and advances from guys, that's the difference. Guys reading this know what I'm talking about. Girls will read this and be like, "ohh please! we're not like that!" I've listened to girls on dating advice for 15 years... Got me no where.
considering my standards were the following: healthy, doesn't smoke, doesn't do drugs, doesn't drink excessively, doesn't party, isn't obese, no tattoos, treats me well. every one of those is a standard one can choose to have. the thing is a lot of women have standards that are the following: 6 feet tall, makes 6 figures, treats her like a queen, has 6 inches, spends massive amounts of money on her, has good hair, doesn't do a-z, takes her to a, z and doesn't take her to a-z + 1-9,000,000. comparatively women have not only high standards but unattainable standards. having standards is fine the issue is when the standards are things not controllable. height is not controllable, d size is no controllable, hair is not controllable, many of the standards a lot of women have are things outside of a guys control. where as a guy will have standards absolutely but those standards are all within a woman's ability to control for the most part. also why the anon we know it's you you asked almost the exact same question a week or so ago
It's fine to have standards. I myself have relatively high standards in the sense that I want to be attracted to my partner physically and have chemistry with them (similar interests, views & values, goals, sense of humor, communication, etc). However, women in the west (as portrayed by social media) do have exceptionally high standards of men. There's a recent term called "passport bros" that was coined and has been used more and more and it's because men are tired of women in the west. There's countless videos on it now if you're curious to search it up on YouTube.
It all starts with feminism. Feminism started out well and gave women the ability to work for equal pay and equal rights. But nowadays, women push for power more so than equal rights. They expect to get equal pay, but a man should pay for the date. They expect a man to provide and make over a specified amount of income to supply their desired standard of life. And they don't want to cook or clean either. If we don't take you on cute dates that you can post on social media to show off the high life you're living, that's also a red flag. I'm not saying all women are like this, but many men including myself have made that observation.
The key word here is... entitled. They are too entitled in the west. Men do not desire much in a girl other than the fact that she's attractive to him and she has chemistry with him and makes him happy. MOST men don't care what you women do for a living. Only that you're happy. Women are not the same.
I 'chased' a chubby woman who is 4,5 years older than me, and proposed to her on her 40th birthday, 9 months after our first contact... We married just over a year later, and I do not regret that for a second.
The "women have high standards" seems to be a very common perception. I had it too when I was still dating; I have had a lot of first dates, and it seemd about 90% of them ended with the lady leaving you with no clear answer on a possible second date, followed by them ghosting you (ignoring all further communication attempts; an incredibly rude/insulting thing to do). It seemed they did this if even the smallest detail was not to their idea of the ideal situation. No talking about it, just "see something which is not directly the imagined fairytale prince on the white horse ideal? Done, next!".
Looking back at it; it might be a good thing all these women I met before were that way, as it let me in the end to the one I married, and I coudn't have imagined a better match!
There is nothing wrong with having high standards.
I'd say many of the new era of women kind of feel entitled. They all keep telling each other "you go girl", "you deserve it", "go be a boss babe bitch!". They think they deserve all of these great, high performing, high status men for no other reason then that they are women and they exist. Many feel no duty to be high class, classy, virtuous, high integrity women who need to be feminine and ready to be supportive, respectful and loyal.
They just think just being a woman in and of itself is some worth while thing and makes them such high level. They can be loud, crass, a drunk at bars and clubs, promiscuous, disrespectful and then be deserving of this great guy who checks off 50 qualities on her list. Being a high character, virtuous, humble woman herself makes her worthy of having these standards. To those who are, you are a catch, you have your high standards. Many women are just awful and don't deserve a damn thing.
lol obvious male troll is obvious.
Sad.
In any case Its not like men are the ones limiting them selves to the top 1% of women. What these, and obviously you by extension is if 90% of women are going after the same top 1% of women, well there aren't enough of them go go around, They will either be forced to settle early enough to have children, or just be happy being alone forever, because that top 1% of men dont have to commit, They can sleep with who ever they want, so its a losing argument to try to get him to commit to one woman..
By the way, most men's standards are simple
- Don't be fat (meaning please be under 180 pounds)
- Be a real woman, not a tranny
- Be young enough that children are an option (under 40)
Where as women's requirements are
- Earn at least 6 figures with at least a million or two in the bank (less than 1% of men)
- Be at least 6 feet tall or taller (less than 0.05% of men)
- Have 6 pack abs, basically be a jacked body builder (less than 10% of men)
- Be at least 6 to 8 inches long (less than 0.003% of men)
- Allow her to sleep around as she pleases (loyalty not required)
- Be willing to take care of multiple children by multiple different baby daddies
- Unlimited access to his funds without having to work her self, keep the home, or cook or clean
and so on.
Bottom line Troll, both men and women are entitled to their standards, Both men and women are permitted to have opinions on said standards. If you're not intelligent enough to understand that than perhaps you should not be on the internet.
Standards depend on the person who has (or does not) them.
Sometimes, the terms "high standards" or "high expectations" are used in a sarcastic way to point out how impossible to meet those criteria are.
There were, are, and always will be people who chase ideals. And let them be. Most people look realistically and focus on emotions and fulfilment more than beauty standards or yearly income.
Don't pay too much attention to others. Focus on your life and on how you want to live it. Your confidence and clear goals will attract the proper people around you.
You're right, those dudes really need to check themselves before coming at women about standards. Like you said, men can be just as shallow sometimes.
It ain't fair that they only wanna date young hotties but then get mad if a girl knows what she wants too. We all got types, feel me? As long as people are genuine it shouldn't matter.
I've definitely seen guys into older or thicker girls before. Beauty comes in all shapes and sizes ya know? But those dudes complaining act like it's impossible. Like c'mon son, open your mind!
Maybe they should work on being the kind of guy someone would wanna date, instead of just judging women. We all gotta check our own biases.
You sounded smart standing your ground. Don't let nobody tell you what you "should" want, a'ight? As long as you're happy and treating people right, forget what they say! Keep shuttin em down when they trippin sis 💪
She isn't going to sleep with because you're simping here for her you loser.
You mean mgtow aka ( men going their own way) Some are just bitter with life, miserable with themselves, and other dumb excuses they make. Not all guys have high standards , I think a lot of them are just millennials no offense to the good guys tho. My fiance is from my generation and I’m 7 years older, he had no issue with my age nor my body and he prefers someone older than his age. In my opinion those men are just disgusting and should seek help. A lot of it’s also the media and money, majority of the time they think the young model wants them when in reality she’s after what HE HAS. Very rarely do you see couples with huge gaps like that in real life and it’s true love. It definitely doesn’t work if it’s more than 15 years in my opinion sometimes not even more than 10 years.
you always see men on here trying to date women 15-30 years younger. then these men complain that women are trying to date the top 10% of all guys
Just realize not all guys are assholes like that even tho it seems to gotten worse with time and all the gross behavior. My mom is 6 years older than my dad and he’s never left her for a younger woman. They’re both in their 60s she’s 65 and he’s 60. They been married since 1996. It’s mostly just the sick twisted men who are predators these days but some guys actually prefer older women. Even before I met my guy he dated a woman who was 40 before..
sure there are exceptions. but VAST MAJORITY of the time, men are chasing younger women. You constantly see men on here obsessed with age gap relationships. why do you think?
I think THOSE men wanna take advantage of a young girl and her innocence, her gullible nature and still being immature in ways so they can manipulate her to his advantage that’s MY outlook I know not all guys are that way but vast majority as you stated are. I don’t care what men say no more since I have a man who loves me unconditionally and you definitely will find someone too who isn’t into and for all this bs. They wanna rain on peoples parades but don’t let them win.
oh definitely not. its cuz younger women simply look better. i have seen tons of men through the years try to date girls almost as young as their daughters, knowing there is really no future for their relationship, but yet they still follow through with it.
At the end of the day there’s nothing we can do about it but let the girls learn and see the picture for themselves, and as for the men it’ll be funny if they get burned for money and the girl leaves or cheats, or is playing him. We can’t control what others feel but we can control how we feel and the type of people we surround in our own lives.
Not all of them get burned. Its just the fact that men are shallow. They would never ever go for a woman older than them
You are suffering from “selection bias” this vast majority you speak of is nothing but a loud minority you often run into in online forums. The real vast majority of men live lives that are silent to you, as you do not have access to them through the internet.
It is impossible to tell if that majority seeks much younger women or if they prefer women their own age. But one thing is for sure: generalizations are a gateway to segregation.
Posted by an angry woman who offers nothing more than combative behaviors and not much else? check.
It isn't high standards, It is ridiculously high standards that not even God himself can meet. Socially we have told women "never settle! you are owed everything!!"
No one on the planet can ever satisfy all the needs one women believes she is owed. Relationships are about compromise and that is something western women have lost the ability to do.
We are meant to compliment each other in a relationship not be all suppling.
I mean why chase someone who is chubby when all that shows is she has no regard for her health, makes god awful health decisions and refuses to eat healthy or use portion controls? All it shows me is she has no self control. Again someone I wouldn't spend 3 seconds in a social setting.
Why do men complain that women have "high standards?"
I sort of get it when that man will show you why he's complaining. She'll be morbidly obese, broke, ugly as sin, and has a laundry list of requirements just to talk to her. Meanwhile amongst her laundry list you must have six pack abs, rich, and pretty much everything she isn't.
I see shit like that and I just chuckle about it... I mean... they just trolling right? I mean... if they're actually serious... that shit is funny. I would like to assume they are just being funny.
Yeah though, some men do take that waaaaaaaay tooooooo seriously. You're definitely right about that part. It's just a joke directed at you... no big deal right dude? Him will be like "She's big though! Big fat fucker asking for 6 pack abs!" it's like the joke flew over his head.
Cause those kinds of dudes have and only know low standards, she says you ain't gonna open the door for me to get in, he says, duh, why what's wrong with your hands, duh, she ask, will you stop grabbing my ass, he he says, but I love grabbing your ass yup I really do, she responds with not in public while crossing a busy intersection,, looking at how he's dress for her sisters wedding she remarks, where is your Sunday best the tux go I' get dressed hurry, he looking dumbfounded whisper I am dressed pumpkin, she wide eyes says in your little brothers overall that's to tight and high waters with make on your what are those sneakers enough get out go she says pointing to door, he says, duh but I just washed them last week only with em 3 times this week smell duh see she'll like I just washed them, can i go to, I always duh get turned aways from weddings when I wear my best duds, duh
I’m not in the dating world but I have heard a few younger, male, coworkers, lament this very thing. I’ve also met some of their girls and been really surprised they ever found a guy. It seems to me like there is an exchange rate and a man has a lot of pressure to have a nice ride, enough money to take a girl out to dinners and vacations, buy her presents, a stable job or career, and be reasonably fit, to even find a woman. Yet, I meet some of these girls and am really surprised by their lack of maturity, fitness, and ambition. It seems disproportionate.
Women have raised their standards since they’re no longer required to marry a man to have a successful, safe, socially acceptable life. This was how it was for every generation except for baby boomers and gen x onwards. Baby boomers were raised with those same values, and so cling to them, but every generation following has released any value on those principles. All a man had to do to get a good wife was have a decent paying job and not be abusive. Now the standards have risen to where he needs to bring joy to the life of the woman he’s with or she won’t want to keep him around. Women are tired of teaching their boyfriends how to love them, the younger generations aren’t tolerating it anymore, and younger generations of men raised on the values of the generations who came before them are frustrated that being a decent person isn’t good enough anymore, they don’t know how to be a better man. That’s why they complain
What are you talking about? Men don't care. A woman could have no legs or arms and be missing all of her teeth and still get a man. So, obviously they'd still date women who are 40 and chubby... Men understand that there's fantasy and then there's reality, and they are fine with dealing with both.
Most men's standards can be summed up as "Don't be fat, don't be a hoe, don't be a bitch" which are all easily within a woman's control yet so many of them still manage to screw it up. Even then there are still men who would settle for them.
Women are the ones with ridiculous standards regardless of how fat they are, how old they are, or how many baby daddies they have. There is even a forum dedicated to how ridiculous these women are with their demands.
Women don't have high standards they have impossible standards. And there's plenty of men that whould go after the women you describe but you women don't want them. The reason you think all men have high standards is your all chasing the top 1% of men. Of course those men won't date lower quality women they don't have to. And the other 99% of men by the time your ready to give them a chance have gone through 3 decades of get rejected and called a creep. So the quit the dating game and focus on other parts if thier lives.
Male attraction is about reproduction , life is tough enough without running around chasing fatties , there is enough education out and its extremely important for all that individuals are the correct weight , as the man should always be older of course he will be looking for younger slim women , that's the way the world has always worked , with the exception of weak useless men who have " mumma " issues and are unable to provide.
And this is why there is such division between men and women - Each thinks the other is lame. They just can't seem to get on the same page. Of course, there are both men and women who ARE actually lame. Those are the ones who ruin it for the rest.
Could have summed it up for you or linked you to a video explaining whats going on. But @MrOracle already mentioned the root cause of the issue that's manifesting mainly on dating apps so ill just refer to his opinion on the matter since he worded it very well.
Only those who believe that they do not meet any standards complain about the standards of others. That's true for men and women.
Attraction is a chemical reaction caused by our genetic predisposition to partner selection, hardwired through centuries of evolution.
What it means is no one can be blamed for seeking a partner that is young and fit as opposed to old and unhealthy.
Men have no right to complain about women's physical standards and neither do women as both of them are in the end looking out for themselves and their would-be children
well for a fact her age is none of my concern but i do agree woman have high standarts
it is just not the money when i say high standartsthere are things woman care more about, actually making a lot of money for a woman is a provider thing and providing is not a masculine trait don't get fooled by capitalism.
I don’t generalize.
However, there are some women that do have standards that are too high. Considering they’ll do so much cosmetic surgery, wear makeup etc. and want a complete stunning dude that has good genetics where as without the surgery and makeup the girl is a 2/10 at best.
I’ve seen that
why are you complaining womens standards are too high?
Old balding fat men are chasing women 20 years younger.
Did you not read what I said? I didn’t generalize. I said some women have high standards. Not all.
And yeah, men like that shouldn’t be chasing that either
why shouldn't women have high standards? men certainly have them.
Just like some men shouldn’t, some women shouldn’t. Simple shit
but reality is... women get blamed for having high standards while men aren't. I'm just sick and tired of it.
I’m objective so.
That's bullshit red pill junk. Most guys are still dating women in their 30s, and plenty of women in their 30s look just as good or even better than women in their early 20s.
You have to understand there are guys in the Red Pill cult. They are very noisy online, but they don't speak for all men.
Tbh, I see men chasing all kinds of women, seen rich men married to women way beneath them looks wise.
Men think this because it's been caregorically proven beyond a shadow of a doubt multiple times in multiple different ways, lately anyway.
Though I personally see women with impossibly high standards, and women with mega low standards (which are prob pity things)
But yeah, what you say about men, also true.
Everybody has standards, I don't think that necessarily means being shallow but I guess you could think of it that way. I don't complain about women's high standards. And yes I also prefer younger thinner prettier women. It's just human nature.
Because most of us , myself included, are ugly insecure and gross and we are butthurt that we aren't desired by society. Rejection bullying and isolation boil into complete anger hatred and bitterness at the whole world. If you're wise dont give us uggos a chance if you want to be respected loved appreciated and encouraged date only attractive men they hold no resentments life treats them well and inturn they treat others well.
Because everything relationship and sex wise comes easy to women. It's been proven that most women on dating apps think only the top 5% of guys are attractive. The other 95% get swiped left. Most women that are average think they're entitled to top guys, and only settle when they've tried for years unsuccessfully to get them using sex.
men swipe right even to 60 year old women in hopes that she might fuck him one day. but does that mean he wants to "date" her? NO.
dating apps don't mean anything
when was the last time you ever saw a guy chasing a fat lady 10 years older? NEVER!!!
Even fat girls and ugly girls get boyfriends and sex, average and above average dudes are virgins past 30.
have you seen the shit men say about women over 30 on here?
men say women expire by 30
I don't mind older, but not chubby, it is my personal preference.
I respect every female, regardless of colour, custom, culture, creed and body shape.
Some time my girlfriend's mom wanted go vacation, she is slim and sexy attractive, so enjoy with her.
"do you ever see a man chasing a chubby woman 10 years older? NO!"
not sure what planet you're from but not only have I seen but I personally know men who are lightyears more attractive than me banging this type of women from left to right.
we men never mind lowering our standards, especially when we have no other options. unlike you women who will literally sleep with someone the same gender as you before lowering your unrealistic standards
I am in my thirties, not skinny, and can still attract men 5-10 years younger that have wanted to date me. You shouldn’t let miserable men on the internet set the standard because there is usually a reason why they’re being miserable men on the internet lol.
Logans Run. No certain criteria exists for all men or women. I think that most men who chase younger girls do so because the opportunity didn't present itself earlier. Younger women seem to chase the experience of older men. It's kind of the same example.
"do you ever see a man chasing a chubby woman 10 years older? NO!"
You make it sound like that is what an average girl would chase after... smh, girls dont want some morbidly obese man a decade older than them either lmao. You're right though, men can be just as shallow as women can be. I honestly feel for the ugly girl, or guy; they got it real rough
I mean most of the women do have high standards for their partners, at least for what the modern world has adapted. Even if its not what we want
Because it probably really hurts to admit that you don't meet standards even when standards are low. Therefore they have to tell themselves that's women's standards are too high just so they can feel average instead of lower than low.
Because your standards can never be met
Men start high and lower their standards to increase his odds
Women just keep raising theirs to the point it decreases their odds to 1/1000 of 1% of men measures up to those standards end result is she is all alone with her cats
i don't but... most dating profiles i read on apps are "so unrealistic they will probably" stay single until death. maybe in heaven they will get their "adam in garden" as an experience in mind.
Most of it is just internet talk. Look around you at how many men are with older, chubby women who must would consider average or below … most of them.
Many women today do have unreasonably high standards because they overvalue themselves. In my experience that is mostly because women seem to think men value the same things in women that women value in men. Women seem to be losing sight of what men actually want in a woman.
They are basically losers who are butt hurt, that they are not getting any action.
Women are very delusional about the dating market. There's plenty of fat women who still get dates and laid even from men who are in better shape than them. No woman is invisible today. Any women can get attention and thus because she thinks she's hot shit her standards go through the roof and now she feels she deserves a chad and won't settle for anything less. Not even men on he level.
Women deserve less - Myron Gaines
There are 2 different groups of men. Those of us who date much younger women who are pretty and skinny think everyone should have high standards. Guys who can't get a date want women to lower their standards.
Most women aren't chubby. Even chubby women have many boyfriends. All of the chubby women I know had many boyfriends before, somewhere they were the slutty ones.
Compared to that if guys aren't rich or decently attractive, shy/ short most girls will hardly ever date them.
www.medpagetoday.com/primarycare/obesity/90142
73% of people are overweight or obese, so yeah, actually, most women are chubby
@BoopBoopBeep it's never that high, try to read it. It's a clickbait. Then again more men are chubby. Younger women are less chubby. Guys will generally consider little fat ok ok unless they are a landwhale. Some too many men will date super chubby ones too.
Fine, show me a study that shows fewer than 50% of people are overweight or obese. Barring that, yes, MOST people are chubby, because MOST is anything over 50%.
from CDC, www.cdc.gov/.../adult.html
41.9% obese.
That's not overweight AND obese, that's just obese.
Maybe when women stop focusing on a guy's height (which they can't control), then maybe men will stop focusing on a girl's weight (which they can control).
if you want to be taken seriously: take the effort and make a fair comparison between what men and women on average expect their opposite to bring to the table and don't just exaggerate mens expectations to ridicule them.
if you didn't want a fruitful conversation anyway and were looking for people to spew vitriol at you, you're doing great. ignore what i just said and continue as you did.
They are projecting. Men are acutally the ones with crazy high standards
I have a hard time understanding how any guy would be upset about the fact that women in general have much higher standards than they used to.
I don't complain that women have high standards. I complain that men have low standards. They make women's egos completely out of control.
Some people from both genders are really picky
I have never seen a fat acceptance movement for overweight men. All I see are 5/10 women calling themselves 10’s and expecting a Prince Charming millionaire to come sweep them off their feet and how boring and dusty normal guys are.
Most men think they're sexually attractive, or at least acceptable. I know, I know, it's delusional thinking. But as children we were told to love ourselves.
why? it is human nature to complain unless you set strong intentions not to.
There are times I feel that men say that either because they feel that they themselves don't fit there or because the such standards probably don't really exist anymore.
Because girl's dad treat them like a princess, you're not going to leave the life of a princess to end up as a..., I don't know but there you go
I have a stable income, my own place, my own car, a spicy sense of humor and im not a scumbag or insane.
I do lack confidence until i get to know people.
What more should i do?
work on yourself. work on your confidence. be the best you that you can be
@BoopBoopBeep thats what i have a problem with.
I do have plans for that. But when im done with said plans why would i find a woman?
Because i thougth growing was meant to be done with a partner. I have no need for a woman who waits at the finish line
@grega239
see that's where you are mistaken. there is no finish line, always another lap
i was a soldier. did a ton of stuff overseas. super fit. i had a heart attack, went through extensive cardiac rehab. my heart had been deprived of oxygen for so long the goal was to walk 100 feet without passing out. finally got to the point that they'd let me do a charity 5k again. then 5ks wearing body armor, then 4-milers... fast forward a year and a half, now I'm doing marathons with 40lbs on my back. I'm trying to get back up to the 80lbs i used to carry, even though I never did more than say 15 miles that way.
you work on you. you give it 100%, and when you get to a later lap you get your partner that's going to be worth growing with, because you don't want a partner who isn't going to grow with YOU either and all those you left in the dust couldn't keep up
@BoopBoopBeep ok i get what your saying.
What i meant by "the finish line".
I plan to buy a house in the next 3-4 years (there's more to it but thats the main goal) . Thats the finish line. There will be no more laps for anyone to join me because im reducing the running track to a single line.
And im gonna sound a bit petty here, but wouldn't any woman that i meet after i buy the house, technically be "in my dust"?
I appreciate your optimism but like i said , i thougth things like that were supposed to be a team effort, not for someone to come after the fact
@grega239 The homeless lady living under the tracks will move in with you when you buy a house because you are a step up. The woman you pull when you're more established is a higher class of woman. I get a much higher caliber of woman now than I did 20 years ago. They are more motivated, more ambitious, more deserving and appreciative of my time and more capable of enjoying life.
There's no "team effort" in you buying a house. What, she's going to take the paperwork to the bank for you? It's all done online. How is any woman going to contribute to that team effort? If you can't afford the house by yourself then you bought too much house, because if the relationship doesn't work out or something happens to her, you have to be able to swing that yourself.
@BoopBoopBeep i meant she'll want to be in my life, after i buy it. Why not before? My current apartement is big enough for 2?
How she could contribute? By paying an extra bill or 2 so i can save up faster.
Of the relationship doesn't work out or something happens to her?
I know that. My plan is based entirely on me doing everything. Its a small 2 person house. There is no "maybe i'll meet someone" contingency.
Im 31. By the time i get that house i'll be 34-35.
If im not good enough now then i dont care to be good enough later
Your job is to provide. For a certain percentage of the population, you're NOT good enough when you don't have a house whereas you are when you DO have a house. Why limit yourself to only the smaller dating pool?
And it seems that you don't even have a particular woman picked out that you're trying to court. So you made it 31 years without someone but the next 3 is too much to wait so you want to settle? Assuming you're in good health that's not very long. Since you have nobody picked out that you are trying to court, it may take you three years to find someone good enough anyway. You don't just pick the next best thing/closest person to you. Getting married should never be the end goal. Finding the right person is the end goal, and getting married is the consequence of that. Too many people want to get married. They get nervous and pick the first person that will agree because they have this idealized version that their life will suddenly be different because they are married. Then they thrust someone into that position who should not be there, the marriage fails or it sucks, and they wonder why. This is why. It's not that the divorce rate is too high, the premature marriage rate is too high.
You're worried about 3 years, I'm saying it may take that long anyway, so why be worried about it?
@BoopBoopBeep i did provide in my last relationship and got stabbed in the back for it. Thats where my lack of confidence comes from.
you're right i have no one picked out because for the last 7 years, every woman i tried to create a connection with, either said no every time i invited her out or said she was busy until i got the hint. I tried several dating apps with 0 results or replies.
This lead to me not even introducing myself to any women i do meet (unless they do it first) because i learned to instictively assume that it will never go beyond the introdution so i dont have to know her name in the first place.
Its not that the next 3 years is too much to wait.
Its that i didn't consider finding someone along the was as a posibility, because as i said above, the last 7 years I've had 0 success in that area. I dont know how to talk to women, or how to read their body language or pick up on any hints and all that. I dont know how to court, sweet talk, flirt etc. And i can't even learn to become better at these things because i never get to a point where i could do any of them. This lead to my confidence going off a cliff.
Im at a point where any compliment or attention from women feels like mockery and manipulation because i dont believe theyre being sincere.
Im not worried if i do or dont meet someone in the next 3 years.
My plan for the next 3 years is basically an admission and acceptance of defeat.
Right... none of that worked out because you hadn't stepped your game up. That's what you're doing right now to make yourself more marketable. Just like going to the gym. You don't get shredded abs and chiseled arms overnight. If you go once and give up because you don't see results you never get there. Soon you'll have a house, that will get you a larger range of women to date. Then you'll [fill in the blank with another way to better yourself] and you'll have that going for you, rinse and repeat.
You talk to them the same way you're talking to me. There's no secret. It's not some magical creature or alien from another world. When I go to the races, which here are predominantly female by a ratio of 63 to 37 from what I have read, I talk to the women there the same way that I would talk to a man (well, 99% of the same way). They like having someone to talk to the same way that we do. Be fun to be around. When I'm talking to a small group if it looks like we're having a good time then others within ear shot will want to come over and see what is going on. Then you engage them and bring them into the conversation. I had three women ask for my phone number in a span of maybe thirty seconds with one group over the summer. That, admittedly, is not the standard, but it is not uncommon for at least one at each major race to want to continue the conversation I started over coffee or drinks afterwards. Usually coffee since it is typically early, but whatever.
As far as picking up on their body language and flirting... okay... that will come later, but once you're talking to them, you'll have more experience, and you'll eventually get some of the cues. Or they'll just come out and be direct and you won't have to worry about subtle cues. Do not let your confidence be affected brother. So they say they are not interested in talking to you. What does that change? Nothing. If you hadn't tried you weren't going to talk to them. Now you're not going to talk to them. Nothing is worse than before.
@BoopBoopBeep ok that house maybe makes me more marketable. Thats not even in the top 10 reasons why im doing it. Everything im doing is purely selfish, not to make myself more appealing.
I did talk to them like im talking to you. Except you're giving this debate more attention then I've gotten from women in several years.
Again, they werent interested in talking to me so i developed a habit of keeping any convesations brief.
You say i shouldn't worry about them not wanting to talk to me. Well yeah, thats stopped talking to women unless it necessary, which ordering coffee at the bar, the cashier at the store and in the morning at work.
I dont know what else to say. Im completely demoralized and the only way i see for me to get into a relationship is if a woman starts agressively pursuing me
Crack a joke with that cashier then. She sees you enough it should be easy for you and her. Give her a smile and wish her a great day. Say she has pretty earrings or necklace or something like that. Just start the habit and stay in the habit. I complement 5 people a day and try to do a small gesture for at least one. Open/hold a door, pick up a dropped item, something like that. Not take a bullet for them. ;) It creates expectation-free social interaction. I do it and go on my merry way. Sometimes they stop me, usually not, whatever, I don't care, I'm doing that for ME, not them. I'm doing that because that's the man I want to be. If they appreciate that, awesome. If not, the next one will. There's nothing wrong with that kind of selfish. Always have a smile on your face when talking to someone, but try to make it a genuine one. You'll seem like a positive person they'll want to be around. Again... like the gym, it's incremental returns.
@BoopBoopBeep i doeant occur to me to do thses things. I pay, say bye, and leave
@grega239
You'd be surprised brother... dividend growth and whatnot. You get more practice, you get more comfortable, and the people around you see it and they get good vibes with you. That's how you end up getting the women to come to you. They are intrigued with who you are and want to know you. That's how the various women at the various races I go to decided they want to come ask for my number.
@BoopBoopBeep maybe but to be honest i just dont see the point now.
Like i said, im 31. I missed all of the fun stuff that people do in their late teens and 20s. I shouldve learned how to talk to women and all that long ago.
And even if i somehow find a partner now, at this age i can forget about doing anything fun because i'll probably be expected to start a family which means non stop work.
So no. Im not willing to sacrifice any more of my life.
@grega239
Bro... I've had way more fun since I turned 30. What "fun stuff" from teens and 20s is worth a hill of beans? Oh you went to a kegger? I rented a wine bar on their day off because my S/O wanted to go before her flight out. Oh you scraped together enough to go out this weekend? I bought a house cash because I wanted to see what real estate investing was. The lady I was seeing and I saw a commercial about the best place to eat local food in every state... we went to the airport and bought a ticket 10 states away because we got a hankering for lobster rolls. Most of the REAL fun I've had with women has been post-30 because nobody is living paycheck to paycheck any longer. I got into charity races and did over 60 of them this year. I'm going to Indianapolis and Boston because F it, the medal looks cool. I've spent thousands on race fees and at least two first class tickets to get to races because I don't like flying in cattle class and I've been to dozens of countries, most of them after 30. No offense man, but I'm having tons of fun I wouldn't go back to 20 for anything.
@BoopBoopBeep by fun i mean going around the country, going to weird events, stuff like that.
The fun stuff im doing now is hiking up a mountain off trail because i enjoy the adrenalin rush from risking fallin off. Doubt a woman would agree to go along.
Yeah I did that in my 30s and I'm doing that now. Why do you think that's a 20 year only thing?
I'm doing the same thing.
In 2024 I'm doing this:
www.indymini.com/p/mini-marathon/participantinfo
and this:
https://www.toughruck.org/
... with a couple women. There are plenty of women who'd go along a trail with you, I literally do that several times a quarter. I do charity races every weekend. Admittedly most of them are on roads, but there's plenty of trail ones too. That scene is 60-40 women to men. Then I just pick the ones I want to do "smaller events" with.
@BoopBoopBeep my point is that in my 20s i would've wanted to do those things with a partner. Im doing it alone now because im tired of asking anyone to come along.
Im sure there are women who do these things, they just dont want to do it with me.
I even attended a singles event once. There were more women than men except those women were all 50+...
Are you kidding me?
That was basically the last straw for me.
And my interest just went down hill from there.
Like i said, i dont introduce myself, i dont engage in small talk and i dont ask out because i just assume nothing will come of it as it didn't any time i tried in the last few years
Nobody takes singles events seriously. Those are all the leftover women like 5 minutes before the buffet closes. Sorry you missed that memo.
We can't to back in time, so you can either focus on the fact that your 20s sucked or you can focus on making your 30s awesome. I told you which one i picked. You said "in my 20s i would've wanted to do those things with a partner"... okay... so why do you not want to do them anymore in your 30s?
Your last sentence reads like a petulant child stomping his feet that he didn't get his way. You're better than that. "I'm going to put in zero effort so i can continue to get zero results and then complain that nothing happen" Bro, you are actively making nothing happen. You ought to be engaging at least 5 people a day. Nothing is going to come out of most of them. Overwhelmingly most. But it costs you nothing to make another person laugh/smile/engage in passing conversation and law of large numbers, it works out. It's how it worked out for literally everyone before dating apps and the internet unless they were in an arranged marriage.
You're not a bad looking dude, but women aren't just going to fall into your lap if you can't even bring yourself to say hi to them.
@BoopBoopBeep i guess i was too hopefull.
I am focusing on making my 30 good.
Thats why im doing what im doing. I just acepted that im gonna be doing them alone.
I domt expect something to hapoen with 0 effort and dont expect them to fall in my lap.
I know nothing will happen if i do nothing.
The reason why i dont do anything is because when i activelly tried to initiate convesations and ask women out, they either rejected me or gave off the "lets get this over with fast" vibes.
When i noticed this pattern of rejection and disinterest, i just started to assume its gonna be like that with all women in the future.
I do engage in small talk on occasion. I just dont go any further than that because as i said, i just assume any invitation will be rejected.
As fot me not being bad looking. Yea I've heard it all before. Especially my eyes. Women seem to love cold blue eyes.
Theyve were also impressed by my "jack of all trades" level of ability and my (sometimes very spicy) humor
And yet it means nothing to them because its still not enough for them to even go for a simple drink with me.
So its hard for me to keep my hopes up, if i can't even get a coffee date
You see how these two sentences contradict though, right?
"I know nothing will happen if i do nothing."
and
"The reason why i dont do anything is because when i activelly tried to initiate convesations and ask women out, they either rejected me or gave off the "lets get this over with fast" vibes."
I didn't say anything about asking them out. Maybe you suck at that. Maybe you're doing it too soon. I don't know. That's not my concern. I only ask out about 20% of the people I go out with. The rest ask me out. One, there's only so much time in the day. Two, speeds up the weeding out of those disinterested in you. That's why I was saying... haha... I don't know...20 messages back or something, to go do something you like so you're not hating life the whole time that's going to have single women there. Or expand your horizons and try something new that will have single women there. Whatever. Nobody is going to approach you if nobody is in the room. Two women came up and hugged me after my race yesterday. One I know I've talked to before (so we're going for drinks wed night to discuss the possibility of doing Indianapolis together in the spring), honestly the other one I don't remember but she seemed to recognize me a little more familiarly then having seen me out there before and never spoken, so we're getting coffee together after the new year. Next weekend I'm going with another lady a couple towns over for a race, then we're doing a holiday party at a local vineyard on Saturday and Sunday is a recovery picnic by the river after the race with another lady if the weather permits (they have firepits there so we can be warm). Indianapolis is the only thing in that list that I suggested, the rest were brought up by them.
I didn't go into any conversation I had with any of them doing either 1) expecting it to go anywhere positive or 2) assuming it will be rejected. A couple years ago when I got single again, I did maybe, but then I said "I don't care, I'm going to focus on me" and the energy that came from that and the WAY lower stress in my life the other women picked up on and they saw me as someone they wanted to get to know. Now am I going to get serious with any of that group of women? I don't know. Probably not. There's a couple people in March I'm looking forward to seeing first, and a million things could change between then and now anyway, but literally none of it is worth stressing about.
You like hiking. Gotcha. I do, too. I love nature and physical activity. I'd say expand that to ruck marches, just because they're so similar and that way you have twice as many groups to look at. Team RWB has a lot of events if they're near you. Meetups is hit and miss. I found it's better around some cities than others, so your mileage may vary there. What kind of wine do you like? Find a way to maximize return on investment (of your time) there. Don't like wine? Then you haven't had enough. That's like saying you don't like protein. You haven't tried all of them. Whatever.
The point for now isn't to get a date. The point is to be someone they want to date. I was supposed to meet someone for coffee Friday but I had dumb shite with interpol to do so I had to cancel. TIme before her mom got sick. Doesn't change anything. We'll reschedule at some point. In the interim I'm staying quite busy for me and engaging them as much as I can. There's nothing inherently special about me so if I can do it there's no reason you can't.
Had to do that in 2-parts because of the stupid red banner
@BoopBoopBeep they aren't contraditions.
The first is a general fact of life and the second is the reason why i stopped and why i dont care anymore.
The kind of "hiking" i do could get me killed. I guess climbing would have been a better word. Off the trail and straight up. Adrenalin is a great thing to experience.
I am doing the things that i like. Wether or not women are there is not a factor.
"The point for now isn't to get a date. The point is to be someone they want to date."
Ok. But i no longer care to be that kind of guy. Everything im doing is for selfish reason. If along the way i become the kind of guy women would be interested in, they'll either do something about it or wait for the next guy to come along.
I had made plans to meet up in the past. They canceled basically the last minute. We rescheduled, canceled again. And again. So i just canceled the whole thing alltogheter and deleted their number.
I guess there is something about me that makes me unappealing.
My ex was a climber. Every time I went to the climbing gym there were plenty of other women there. I see no reason to exclude finding a woman who wants to do that with you. Probably higher chance in your 30s than 20s because that's a serious hobby and needs serious attention/participation. Some 21-year-old worried about which club she's going to this weekend, not so much.
All the "selfish" reasons you're doing stuff will end up being the same way you "be someone they want to date."
The cancel and reschedule thing, yeah that sucks. Happened to me a month ago I think? I'll allow one reschedule because I understand life gets in the way. You cancel a second time, you're wasting too much of my time. I've never deleted a phone number though because I like knowing who is calling if someone pops back up, but you do you I guess.
How many women did you ask out last year?
@BoopBoopBeep i would finding women there because tunnel vision i guess.
Getting to the top is the objective. Everything else is a distraction. And im not slowing down for anyone.
Maybe i'll be someone women would want to date. Will they approach me? Ask me out or court me? If not, theyll have to wait for the next guy because i doubt i will.
Well none ever poped back up so me deleting their number makes sense. They dont want me around so i dont need their number.
None for several years. A repeating pattern of rejections killed my motivation to do that
@grega239
well... i guess you gotta do what works for you... just remember "fortune favors the bold" as the saying goes and there's a fine line and a huge distinction between "the strong silent type" and "the creepy loner type". Never slow down though man. You'll be killing it before you know it, but nobody is going to approach you if you don't make yourself approachable and that's where all that "sigma male be aloof shite" falls apart. Everybody is trying to be aloof while I'm busy collecting numbers it just makes my job easier. I don't want to see you make that mistake because you seem like a good guy with a good head on your shoulders, and women find ambition sexy, so eventually they are going to see this and you'll be killing it
We carry the seed of humanity
cannot afford to waste it on geriatrics especially overweight geriatrics
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