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while men only want to date women under 30, pretty, young, thin?
do you ever see a man chasing a chubby woman 10 years older? NO!
Just angry men who can't admit they are just as shallow
A large number of women - women who are very obviously not women men would rate as 9s or 10s - describe the men they are seeking, and they're describing men in the top 1% (or often less). I'm not saying that ALL women want this, but a shockingly high number of women do. Most women have NO IDEA how RARE the men they're describing are, and even fewer women today understand what men value in women (it's not what most women think). Thus, the vast majority of women cannot possibly get a commitment from the kind of men they want - it's mathematically impossible because you have 2 billion women pursuing 20,000 men worldwide.
And here's where the confusion often comes from: those rare 1% men will often have no-strings-attached casual sex with average women, and those women assume that this is proof that she must be on that man's level and value. What she doesn't understand is that men's standard for having casual sex with a woman is FAR, FAR lower than his standard for committing to her, and the truth is that most men at that level don't commit to ANY woman - and the few exceptions that do will demand (and have no trouble getting) the MOST desirable women.
The vast majority of people - both men and women - are AVERAGE. Yet average women largely think they deserve the very top men - and so they completely ignore average men, feeling they are well above such men and feel that being with a man on her level is "settling" - instead of understanding that she's simply getting a man ON HER LEVEL.
If a woman is a 5/10, and you suggest that she dates a 5/10 man, most of those women would be deeply offended, and would insist that she deserves nothing less than a 9.5/10 - and even that would be "settling."
Sure, not ALL women think this way, but - at least in the west - most women do. And as a result, that women is going to end up single and will die alone. So will a lot of men, of course, but men tend to be better able to handle the harsh realities of life, because most men are far more grounded in reality than women are, because men have to deal with real-world consequences on a daily basis. Most women are protected from the consequences of her actions MOST of the time, ESPECIALLY if she's still young (in her 20s or perhaps early 30s).
I think this only became prevalent with on-line dating apps and when people started becoming immersed in the matrix world of devices as opposed to engaging with the real world and face to face communication.
Before digital, the only way to meet people was in real life. You met people by chance in school, at work, through family or friends, the girl or boy next door, etc. If a guy wanted a girlfriend, he picked from the best available options. Girls did the same thing. Naturally, they aimed as high as possible, but they also had to be realistic. Now days, that would be called "settling".
When people were meeting others in person, they weren't merely assessing based on metrics like "at least 6' tall", six pack abs, dick size, and income level. They could also observe wit, charm, charisma, personality, behavior, talent, lifestyle, etc.
For example, some short (er) guys are hot af. Look at the number of attractive celebrity males who are well below 6'. I'm sure they were magnetic even before they got rich and famous.
The same went for women. They didn't have to meet some commercial standard of 10/10 beauty for their other qualities to make them extremely attractive.
Now days, people set impossible standards based on fantasy. They sit on their asses and scroll through thousands of photos and profiles from people around the world. Their desires are based on superficial qualities. They enhance their photos and sell themselves like commercial products. But are they successful? How many find a perfect 10 who is also a good life partner who is loyal and treats them with respect?
Women on line set ridiculous standards for men and men fall for what those women claim to desire. And influencers like Andrew Tate reinforce the mythology of what it takes to attract women.
But women also fall for the bullshit they are told about what men desire.
People are constantly told that they aren't good enough. They are brainwashed into trying to achieve some non-existent ideal of perfection by every possible means, including body building, body modification (tats, piercings, hair color, makeup) and even plastic surgery. Making people feel bad about themselves is an industry. Create insecurity, then offer solutions. It's an old game.
There is nothing wrong with having preferences and high standards. But standards for both men and women can be unrealistic. And I don't buy the idea that only women have unrealistically high standards.
you're exaggerating a bit, i dont think most 40 yo dudes are actually chasing hot 22yos (though its not uncommon), most seem perfectly fine enough to be with that cute 40yo girl next door who's not as skinny as she used to be but not fat. at least it seems to be like that. you might get that impression because most dudes saying that stuff online are edgy 16yo boys or actual mysogynistic pedos (like its crazy how many of those types of dudes would fuck 12yos if it was legal. dont look at incel posts, you'll be traumatized)
also its not dudes as a whole complaining about girl's like supposed high standards. its just the incel, mgtow, manosphere people (which is common on here, but its just cos of the type of site this is. doesn't represent the gen male population) because they're salty pretty girls dont want their asses when they're walking red flags who shoot too high. they're people in denial about how girls also care about looks and that its biology (and that we're allowed to. so weird some of them think they're allowed to care but we're not HAHAHA), and actually care about personality too and not their weird interpration of the personalities girls want (like the abusive controlling gang banging alpha dude or creepy clingy cheesy romance movie stalker pseudo nice guy). though on the flip side some of these dudes actually think that women have extreme standards if they're incels, and so they complain about it for that reason. like i'm not joking but for a lot of them they actually believe like that if as a dude you're not above 6 foot its over, if you're a 6-7 face wise its over, if you're a pretty boy type not a hunter eyed gigachad jaw hot guy its over, if you're middle class its over, have a bit of abs and are slim but dont have an extreme body builder physique? its over, have an above average dick but not a thick ass 20 inches meat cock its over, LOLL. like they actually thinkthat, like where do they get that from..
Men in their MASSES, are the most despicable beings on earth.
Obviously not all, I have plenty of guy friends who are all cool and civil. But my guy friends are all in their 20’s or late 20’s.
The ones I keep seeing that are entitled and demonic, borderline evil, are those past 35- 40.
Obviously that’s because no woman would dare touch them, and they’ve all hit the wall. They all believe men age like fine wine. And accepting that it’s a lie, hits them in the face. Then they feel entitled to the women who are in their 20’s because they have money. Money doesn’t 🟰 good genes, and genuine female attraction.
If he uses money as leverage, he’ll get fake female attraction and he’s gonna feel EVEN MORE pissed off then.
This is why you should never mess around with old men or undesirable men. You need to do what is your nature, and only mess around with Chads, High Testosterone, Young Attractive men of the best DNA and Genes 🧬.
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u Are you seriously suggesting that NO unmarried woman over the age of 30 ever gets a date? Do you REALLY expect anyone to believe that nonsense?
Are you seriously suggesting that chunky girls don't ever get dates. Go to the mall, have a seat in the main corridor, and watch the couples strolling by. Do you think every girl who walks by, while holding hands with a guy, looks like some Hollywood starlet or runway model? PLEASE!
This is all fabricated nonsense because you want to rant about men. And perhaps you want to rant because you don't have much luck with dating. I think I understand why! The butthurt boys do the same thing, making up stories about women to justify hating on them, but the truth is that those boys are just filled with hatred, and that's most likely why they have no success with women. Who in their right mind wants to hang out around that kind of shit?
Everyone has standards. As they should. But a lot of women also get offended like “I can have standards” but many times. The type of men they want. Don’t want them. So they become bitter with men and believe they are entitled for men to date them.
Certainly not all women. Certainly not all men either are like that. We should find who makes US happy. Our soulmate. And not worry about people who aren’t compatible with us no way.
Not every person is meant for each other.
LOL, in the real world, men will happily date women that don't fit the narrow description you gave.
Why would a man chase a chubby woman is old? As if men are bad if they don't lol
Women do have higher standards, with height, with feeling protected, financial support and etc. Women these days think they can have kids, but still go out with her dumb ass friends from the past who are immature and still live a party life. When I see women like I roll my eyes thinking fix her life. A girl doesn't have to have a body of a super model or have breasts like Pamela Anderson. I want a girl I find cute, funny, sweet, down to earth, has good morals & ethics, has a good religious mindset, works hard, got an education for herself. Obviously a guy who stays in shape isn't going to date someone who is overweight and doesn't take care of herself. Do men/guys need to feel protected by a female? No. Do men/guys need to lean heavily on a woman for financial support? No, unless he's a man and stands up. Do guys these days have that 1970s mindset where she stays at home and cooks him food when he get home? Times have changed and people usually eat out more or split the work on making dinner.
Women have it easier today than the past. Women have higher expectations and get triggered over the smallest things which makes their reality of the present delusional and flawed. I can't speak on behalf of all guys but I don't party, I don't smoke, I don't do drugs, I don't sleep around, I don't have some inflated male ego to show off or act arrogant or pompous in life with others. I go to work, I go to school, I stay away from bad crowds, try to strengthen my faith with religion and volunteer, work out and go for nature walks. I live a boring life and a lot of girls will read that and automatically read this and be like ew, I need someone dangerous, unhinged, wild and a bunch of girls after his dick because girls want "the guy" that other girls crave, that's the cold hard fact. The pretty, shy, barista girl at a local coffee shop will get tons of looks and advances from guys, that's the difference. Guys reading this know what I'm talking about. Girls will read this and be like, "ohh please! we're not like that!" I've listened to girls on dating advice for 15 years... Got me no where.
considering my standards were the following: healthy, doesn't smoke, doesn't do drugs, doesn't drink excessively, doesn't party, isn't obese, no tattoos, treats me well. every one of those is a standard one can choose to have. the thing is a lot of women have standards that are the following: 6 feet tall, makes 6 figures, treats her like a queen, has 6 inches, spends massive amounts of money on her, has good hair, doesn't do a-z, takes her to a, z and doesn't take her to a-z + 1-9,000,000. comparatively women have not only high standards but unattainable standards. having standards is fine the issue is when the standards are things not controllable. height is not controllable, d size is no controllable, hair is not controllable, many of the standards a lot of women have are things outside of a guys control. where as a guy will have standards absolutely but those standards are all within a woman's ability to control for the most part. also why the anon we know it's you you asked almost the exact same question a week or so ago
I 'chased' a chubby woman who is 4,5 years older than me, and proposed to her on her 40th birthday, 9 months after our first contact... We married just over a year later, and I do not regret that for a second.
The "women have high standards" seems to be a very common perception. I had it too when I was still dating; I have had a lot of first dates, and it seemd about 90% of them ended with the lady leaving you with no clear answer on a possible second date, followed by them ghosting you (ignoring all further communication attempts; an incredibly rude/insulting thing to do). It seemed they did this if even the smallest detail was not to their idea of the ideal situation. No talking about it, just "see something which is not directly the imagined fairytale prince on the white horse ideal? Done, next!".
Looking back at it; it might be a good thing all these women I met before were that way, as it let me in the end to the one I married, and I coudn't have imagined a better match!
There is nothing wrong with having high standards.
I'd say many of the new era of women kind of feel entitled. They all keep telling each other "you go girl", "you deserve it", "go be a boss babe bitch!". They think they deserve all of these great, high performing, high status men for no other reason then that they are women and they exist. Many feel no duty to be high class, classy, virtuous, high integrity women who need to be feminine and ready to be supportive, respectful and loyal.
They just think just being a woman in and of itself is some worth while thing and makes them such high level. They can be loud, crass, a drunk at bars and clubs, promiscuous, disrespectful and then be deserving of this great guy who checks off 50 qualities on her list. Being a high character, virtuous, humble woman herself makes her worthy of having these standards. To those who are, you are a catch, you have your high standards. Many women are just awful and don't deserve a damn thing.
It's fine to have standards. I myself have relatively high standards in the sense that I want to be attracted to my partner physically and have chemistry with them (similar interests, views & values, goals, sense of humor, communication, etc). However, women in the west (as portrayed by social media) do have exceptionally high standards of men. There's a recent term called "passport bros" that was coined and has been used more and more and it's because men are tired of women in the west. There's countless videos on it now if you're curious to search it up on YouTube.
It all starts with feminism. Feminism started out well and gave women the ability to work for equal pay and equal rights. But nowadays, women push for power more so than equal rights. They expect to get equal pay, but a man should pay for the date. They expect a man to provide and make over a specified amount of income to supply their desired standard of life. And they don't want to cook or clean either. If we don't take you on cute dates that you can post on social media to show off the high life you're living, that's also a red flag. I'm not saying all women are like this, but many men including myself have made that observation.
The key word here is... entitled. They are too entitled in the west. Men do not desire much in a girl other than the fact that she's attractive to him and she has chemistry with him and makes him happy. MOST men don't care what you women do for a living. Only that you're happy. Women are not the same.
lol obvious male troll is obvious.
Sad.
In any case Its not like men are the ones limiting them selves to the top 1% of women. What these, and obviously you by extension is if 90% of women are going after the same top 1% of women, well there aren't enough of them go go around, They will either be forced to settle early enough to have children, or just be happy being alone forever, because that top 1% of men dont have to commit, They can sleep with who ever they want, so its a losing argument to try to get him to commit to one woman..
By the way, most men's standards are simple
- Don't be fat (meaning please be under 180 pounds)
- Be a real woman, not a tranny
- Be young enough that children are an option (under 40)
Where as women's requirements are
- Earn at least 6 figures with at least a million or two in the bank (less than 1% of men)
- Be at least 6 feet tall or taller (less than 0.05% of men)
- Have 6 pack abs, basically be a jacked body builder (less than 10% of men)
- Be at least 6 to 8 inches long (less than 0.003% of men)
- Allow her to sleep around as she pleases (loyalty not required)
- Be willing to take care of multiple children by multiple different baby daddies
- Unlimited access to his funds without having to work her self, keep the home, or cook or clean
and so on.
Bottom line Troll, both men and women are entitled to their standards, Both men and women are permitted to have opinions on said standards. If you're not intelligent enough to understand that than perhaps you should not be on the internet.
Standards depend on the person who has (or does not) them.
Sometimes, the terms "high standards" or "high expectations" are used in a sarcastic way to point out how impossible to meet those criteria are.
There were, are, and always will be people who chase ideals. And let them be. Most people look realistically and focus on emotions and fulfilment more than beauty standards or yearly income.
Don't pay too much attention to others. Focus on your life and on how you want to live it. Your confidence and clear goals will attract the proper people around you.
You're right, those dudes really need to check themselves before coming at women about standards. Like you said, men can be just as shallow sometimes.
It ain't fair that they only wanna date young hotties but then get mad if a girl knows what she wants too. We all got types, feel me? As long as people are genuine it shouldn't matter.
I've definitely seen guys into older or thicker girls before. Beauty comes in all shapes and sizes ya know? But those dudes complaining act like it's impossible. Like c'mon son, open your mind!
Maybe they should work on being the kind of guy someone would wanna date, instead of just judging women. We all gotta check our own biases.
You sounded smart standing your ground. Don't let nobody tell you what you "should" want, a'ight? As long as you're happy and treating people right, forget what they say! Keep shuttin em down when they trippin sis 💪
You mean mgtow aka ( men going their own way) Some are just bitter with life, miserable with themselves, and other dumb excuses they make. Not all guys have high standards , I think a lot of them are just millennials no offense to the good guys tho. My fiance is from my generation and I’m 7 years older, he had no issue with my age nor my body and he prefers someone older than his age. In my opinion those men are just disgusting and should seek help. A lot of it’s also the media and money, majority of the time they think the young model wants them when in reality she’s after what HE HAS. Very rarely do you see couples with huge gaps like that in real life and it’s true love. It definitely doesn’t work if it’s more than 15 years in my opinion sometimes not even more than 10 years.
Posted by an angry woman who offers nothing more than combative behaviors and not much else? check.
It isn't high standards, It is ridiculously high standards that not even God himself can meet. Socially we have told women "never settle! you are owed everything!!"
No one on the planet can ever satisfy all the needs one women believes she is owed. Relationships are about compromise and that is something western women have lost the ability to do.
We are meant to compliment each other in a relationship not be all suppling.
I mean why chase someone who is chubby when all that shows is she has no regard for her health, makes god awful health decisions and refuses to eat healthy or use portion controls? All it shows me is she has no self control. Again someone I wouldn't spend 3 seconds in a social setting.
Why do men complain that women have "high standards?"
I sort of get it when that man will show you why he's complaining. She'll be morbidly obese, broke, ugly as sin, and has a laundry list of requirements just to talk to her. Meanwhile amongst her laundry list you must have six pack abs, rich, and pretty much everything she isn't.
I see shit like that and I just chuckle about it... I mean... they just trolling right? I mean... if they're actually serious... that shit is funny. I would like to assume they are just being funny.
Yeah though, some men do take that waaaaaaaay tooooooo seriously. You're definitely right about that part. It's just a joke directed at you... no big deal right dude? Him will be like "She's big though! Big fat fucker asking for 6 pack abs!" it's like the joke flew over his head.
Cause those kinds of dudes have and only know low standards, she says you ain't gonna open the door for me to get in, he says, duh, why what's wrong with your hands, duh, she ask, will you stop grabbing my ass, he he says, but I love grabbing your ass yup I really do, she responds with not in public while crossing a busy intersection,, looking at how he's dress for her sisters wedding she remarks, where is your Sunday best the tux go I' get dressed hurry, he looking dumbfounded whisper I am dressed pumpkin, she wide eyes says in your little brothers overall that's to tight and high waters with make on your what are those sneakers enough get out go she says pointing to door, he says, duh but I just washed them last week only with em 3 times this week smell duh see she'll like I just washed them, can i go to, I always duh get turned aways from weddings when I wear my best duds, duh
I’m not in the dating world but I have heard a few younger, male, coworkers, lament this very thing. I’ve also met some of their girls and been really surprised they ever found a guy. It seems to me like there is an exchange rate and a man has a lot of pressure to have a nice ride, enough money to take a girl out to dinners and vacations, buy her presents, a stable job or career, and be reasonably fit, to even find a woman. Yet, I meet some of these girls and am really surprised by their lack of maturity, fitness, and ambition. It seems disproportionate.
Women have raised their standards since they’re no longer required to marry a man to have a successful, safe, socially acceptable life. This was how it was for every generation except for baby boomers and gen x onwards. Baby boomers were raised with those same values, and so cling to them, but every generation following has released any value on those principles. All a man had to do to get a good wife was have a decent paying job and not be abusive. Now the standards have risen to where he needs to bring joy to the life of the woman he’s with or she won’t want to keep him around. Women are tired of teaching their boyfriends how to love them, the younger generations aren’t tolerating it anymore, and younger generations of men raised on the values of the generations who came before them are frustrated that being a decent person isn’t good enough anymore, they don’t know how to be a better man. That’s why they complain
What are you talking about? Men don't care. A woman could have no legs or arms and be missing all of her teeth and still get a man. So, obviously they'd still date women who are 40 and chubby... Men understand that there's fantasy and then there's reality, and they are fine with dealing with both.
Most men's standards can be summed up as "Don't be fat, don't be a hoe, don't be a bitch" which are all easily within a woman's control yet so many of them still manage to screw it up. Even then there are still men who would settle for them.
Women are the ones with ridiculous standards regardless of how fat they are, how old they are, or how many baby daddies they have. There is even a forum dedicated to how ridiculous these women are with their demands.
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