Agree or Disagree: Average men are not desired by women that are average?

[coachTanthony]

Women have openly stated they would rather be in a rotation of a man of high value then to get with a man who is average like themselves.

Agree

Disagree

[worldscolide]

If you go by stats on dating sites..

Also the average woman sees her self as a 10, she feels like she deserves a 10, when she is a 3 to 5 at best.

[genericname85]

the women that disagree are not aware that they are into above average men themself xD

[coachTanthony]

correct l!!!

[OlderAndWiser]

When an average guy doesn't do well with dating, this is his go-to excuse: Itns not really his fault because no average girl wants him.

If this is true, then average guys all ended up married to ugly women, right? And then there's absolutely NOBODY for the ugly guys to marry. And all the aveage girls end up never married because we know that hot guys might fuck an average girl of nobody else is available, but he sure as hell isn't going to marry amything less than a trophy wife. And those average girls end up living alone with 17 cats.

Does anybody REALLY believe this shit? Go sit you ass in the main corridor at the mall and look at the couples strolling by. A few of them might be gorgeous girls and movie-star-kinda dudes, and a few of them will be mr. ugo and ms. ugo, and most of them will be. . . AVERAGE PEOPLE, walking hand in hand with ANOTHER AVERAGE PEOPLE.

If you aren't having any luck, believe this nonsense and accept the fact that you'll be masturbating every Friday and Saturday night the rest of your life. Or. . . don't believe it, look at your own behavior objectively to determine what you're doing wrong. . . or call a dating coach. . . or get a good friend of the opposite sex and ask them WTF is wrong with you. But fucking do SOMETHING!

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Really? I’m a woman and I’ve never stated that 🤔🤷‍♀️ what women have stated that… You getting your facts about women from the bs people say on the internet again?😂

[coachTanthony]

So many women it's crazy lol

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Women you know?

[douride2]

@Brainsbeforebeauty What more needs to be said EH?

[coachTanthony]

@Brainsbeforebeauty Women I know women you know women all over the world and beyond

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

No women I know say that shit

[coachTanthony]

They know you will judge them so they keep quiet lol

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Oh bull… I go by people’s actions not words… most women I know are married., and wouldn’t be if their husband cheated on them much less be in rotation of a high value man 🤣

[Haraklus]

It’s not that women say it (they generally vehemently deny it as they can’t stand a bruised ego), but they definitely do it.

[Avicenna]

An "average" woman would have to be pretty clueless to think she's going to get anything but hookups from these "high-value guys". And there are some women who greatly overestimate what they're going to get in a guy. But most know their optimal guy isn't going to be walking through the door, although a good number of this group would drop an "average" guy if something better comes along.

But, at the end of the day, is "average" so bad, really?

[Anonymous]

Here's to asking alpha and beta male questions in 2050

Ladies do you have what it takes to be with a high value man and the lifestyle he provides?

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Will women be seeking Alpha or Beta males in 2024?

[coachTanthony]

Awesome love the passion.

[Opinion Owner]

Let's hope the site doesn't shut down

[coachTanthony]

Never. Look forward to more awesome questions in the future.

[normalice]

The fact that there are almost 7 billion people renders your question statistically impossible.

Throughout human history the thing that broadens women's standards, above all, is access to resources. If the only way to get food is to fight tigers for it, women will unanimously prefer men who can fight a tiger. But if no one has to worry about food (and other resources) at all, women will diffuse towards more abstract and even contradictory standards that thus have a greater chance of valuing that which some men assume to be a source of insecurity.

[Cheapskate]

When I'm feeling pessimistic, I feel like this is true. I feel like it is 100% true on dating apps. Crazy hypergamy there. But I asked the AI chatbots about this, and it may sound woke, but they say it's more about being yourself and connecting genuinely with others than about how you look or what you earn. And sometimes I do see guys where I feel like they have pulled way out of their league. So yeah, I think there is some truth to the idea that you should dare to be yourself and try to talk to women without trying to instantly get in their pants. And if you hit it off, it may happen naturally. But the key is to be yourself. If you are playing a role or trying to be alpha or whatever, the connection probably won't develop and she won't feel the spark.

[CalmUntilAbused]

I agree with the hypothesis in the topic, but not with the context added. Women tend to put a lot of effort into not admitting this tendency. That would contradict the popular belief stating all women are basically innocent angels, full of love and compassion. Though... I guess there's nothing inherently wrong or evil with what the hypothesis describes. What is there to be "desired" in an average man? What is there to be "desired" in an average person, for the sake of it? I mean... The "girl next door" might be loveable, but would she spark the lust in an average man? Now... Not to say that lust can be the basis of any healthy relationship, because it's not, but it's no wonder than the "average" is not "desired". It can be liked, it can be loved, but it can hardly be "desired" in the sense of a primal, animalistic lust.

[tremendousfern]

100% agree. Ask a woman what she thinks is the "average" man she should be able to pull based on her criteria and she'll describe someone who is in the top 80%+ of all men in height, income, looks, social influence, etc. Women have such a fantastically inflated sense of what average is that it's hilarious.

[Haraklus]

Totally agreed. And it’s quite funny to see their denial. I’m in roughly the top 2% or so in income/height/intelligence/athleticism. Back when I was dating, the sheer delusion of women who thought they were my equals was hilarious. The few who actually were of my general caliber as a human being all ended up either alone (due to having unrealistic expectations) or dating super, super rich men.

[tremendousfern]

@Haraklus And I get that hypergamy is natural to an extent. Even for men - what guy wouldn't be happy about dating up? The big issue is the attitude that these very average women have that they are owed a relationship with prince charming for simply possessing a pussy.

[Curmudgeon]

Bingo. The existence of this question, posted just before yours, is proof:
What do you think about those “ Are we dating the same guy” groups on Facebook? ↗

[patrick994]

Unfortunately nowadays for the average man, courtship is becoming increasingly difficult, social media has given women access to a vast audience of men willing to inzerbin for them, this only fuels a vicious circle: women's egos rise and consequently so do their demands.

Of course, as you well know, women by biological nature will always tend to choose the man with above-average physical, social and economic characteristics, this instinct is already intrinsic in women, the current context only accentuates it.

Unluckly avarage man can have girls only if they are famous, rich with good body.

[dolemite58]

Average girls chase above average guys that are out of their league when they’re young and hot but once the big 3 0 hits most end up settling for someone average cuz those out of their league guys can do better than them and would never commit to them.

[Nefertity112]

Sorry but more like the big 40.
30 years old women are hot lol.

[Haraklus]

@Nefertity112 Eh. It’s less about the woman’s hotness and more about when she decides she wants to settle down bad enough that she’s willing to settle to get commitment.

[Dinklex3]

You see regular men with regular women all the time when you go outside.

Yet online men complain and claim we only want 6ft rich models.

Voted disagree.

[coachTanthony]

🤣🤣🤣

[Flatmanlewis]

I think generalizations are always flawed so on its surface I’d disagree. However, I don’t think this is true on any level. Most of my wife’s gal pals, and the girls I know at work, seem to refer to their celebrity crushes as not the kind of man they would marry, but rather just fantasize about. It seems an average man (physically) with an exceptional personality and moral compass is what they all describe as their target. Of course, this is just my small social circle but it’s not a small one.

[coachTanthony]

You think high value men are equivalent to celebrities? lol

[Flatmanlewis]

Most celebrities would probably qualify as high value men, yes. The point I’m making is that given the choice most of the women I know, where this topic has come up, would chose a more average man than some male model, celebrity, or uncommonly good looking man.

[coachTanthony]

There are and will always be one off's in life

[Flatmanlewis]

Hardly one-offs in my experience.
It’s the norm.

[desidoll]

I mean I don’t like this gender picking thing because I have seen both men and women do the same shit. Nobody is innocent when it comes to being shallow. I know some men who are willing to stay single forever and go for hookers because they can’t get “Stacy” and women who have to settle with whatever comes to them because they can’t get “Chad”

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Considering the average man wants a mother more than a wife, that’s accurate. Average men aren’t good enough anymore

[HawkPerception]

What does a "mother" look like in a relationship?

[HawkPerception]

Like what do they do that makes them a mother?

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

They have them take care of them, ie make them the head of household chores, do the laundry, the cleaning, the cooking, the emotional coddling, etc

[HawkPerception]

And if they agree to a housewife dynamic where the man is the breadwinner and the woman does the housework, is there an issue?

[Cheapskate]

I always hate this victimhood speech from modern women. Like, okay, if you're in Afghanistan or whatever, totally fair. But in the West? Come on. If you don't want to do the laundry, don't. Same goes for all of those things. You have crazy leverage, because you can literally go on a dating app and have hundreds of options in no time. I feel like the reason women are in charge of all the chores is because it is women who want everything to be spotless and can't stand a little mess. So it's their own expectations they are trying to live up to. It's like when women complain that men aren't being good allies, I am like "fuck off, this is your fight, there is nothing in it for me". Be an adult and stop complaining about how hard it is to be a woman in the West. It's literally the easiest role you could be assigned by fate. Everyone is kissing your ass. You go girl. Yass, queen.

[desidoll]

@HawkPerception How many men are financially capable to do that especially if they have kids and live in big, expensive city like LA? I get what she meant. I have seen many men who want a “housewife” but at the same time she has to work to share the bill. At least 5 of my friends going through this right now and it is HELL for them. Now, I am not saying the real breadwinner doesn’t exist. They do. One of them is my husband. We agree with the arrangement but like I said, there are way too few of them.

[HawkPerception]

@desidoll There aren't many men that can do that. However, that wasn't my question. My question was if the man DOES have the finances covered and they agree on the traditional dynamic, what is the issue?

I am a complete advocate for equality and if there are 2 people making incomes, then housework should be divided equally or based on each other's strengths and preferences.

[desidoll]

@HawkPerception Then yes, if that’s the case, it shouldn’t be an issue.

[TonyMetal___86]

I don't care if i'm desired or not, let them ask themselves first if they are desired or not 🤣🤣

I am myself, not going to change for anyone, i'll only change for the better, if they like me, they are welcomed and if they don't, than i wish them luck!

[Nikki1989]

For someone calling themselves a coach, you sure have a lot to learn.

[coachTanthony]

You're unwilling to have a conversation... you just babble here on GAG lol

[Anonymous]

I don't think ANYONE desires anybody average, male or female. But women general have the LUXURY of waiting for a more desirable man than a guy does for a more desirable woman.

[lightbulb27]

false, women will take what they cna get. they might swing for the moon based upon their self image. they will take best they can get that they feel loved... e. g. they have lot of control.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

I'm desired by average women as long as they are desired by me.