If a single mom is in her 20s, her face is a 10/10, and has a nice body, will she be less desirable than other women in her age group?

[Anonymous]

[HighValue]

Far less desirable. If everything else was equal, a woman that is 28 with no kids would be much more desirable than someone that is 20 with a kid already.

If she is attractive, she can still get plenty of dates. They will be people that will tell her what she wants to hear and use her for short term sex, but any of the good quality men that have options won't consider her for a long term exclusive relationship. That short term attention is what tricks them into thinking that she can still get a good mate for long term, then when she is in her mid to late 30s and has been repeatedly used she will become angry like some of the ones on here.

[Asker]

So only a low quality guy will commit to her for the long term?

[Avicenna]

There are a lot of attractive women in their 20s, so her looks alone don't make her that special. What else does she bring to the table other than her kid (s)?

That said, if she's that hot, she'll still get guys, but she'll be much less desired for a relationship, especially compared to a similarly attractive childless woman.

[Asker]

Can you elaborate on what you mean by what she brings to the table vs other women?

[Avicenna]

Well, there is more to a woman than her looks and whether she has kids. What is the single mom's financial situation? What is her personality like? What sort of background and interests does she have? And so on.

[Apple1996]

Being a mom doesn't make women less desirable. Only these broke red pill men think that shit. If you go out into the real world there are lots of people with step Dad's so obviously it's not that uncommon for single moms to find new relationships.

[DishLady]

A little -- not because she's not pretty or nice... but she's got a ton of responsibilities that a single non-mom doesn't have to deal with. Guys that age tend not to want that extra load of responsibility or difficulty.

[ManOnFire]

She will be desired for sex, but not for a relationship. Most guys are going to look at her as a slut for being a young single mom who is very attractive.

[Asker]

That's ridiculous. If a woman that is 27 was in a relationship and had a child but it didn't work out with the child's father she will be viewed negatively?

[ManOnFire]

Generally, yes. And not just because guys will think she's a slut but they will also think she probably screwed the guy over in the separation and is how she got the kid.

[Asker]

Why would they assume that but don't think the guy is a deadbeat and he deserted the family?

[ManOnFire]

Because there are a lot of cases where women lie about why or how things ended so that people will support her or be on her side. No doubt, there are deadbeat dads out there, but in today's world it is just as common for women to be slimy, no-good wives and mothers. Bad women know this, that is why they lie and portray a good husband as a bad man so that everyone will side with her.

[Asker]

You made some great points. When you go on social media specifically TikTok you see a lot of single moms telling their story and it always paints the child's father in a bad light. You never hear anything about what the single mom did wrong. I know some guys are trash but I find it hard to believe every guy is running the same game

[ManOnFire]

Precisely. When women know they've done wrong with a man it eats them up inside, but instead of admitting to it they will just tell lies about him to other people so that she can feel validated in the hopes that the guilt will subside. She needs lots of people to support her and make her feel justified. If you've noticed, most women do not ever really look back on their relationship failures and acknowledge that they fucked up. Whereas you will hear lots of men recount past relationships and say how they were stupid or messed up back then, because they're wiser now and learned from their mistakes. Women think they never made any.

[Asker]

Absolutely. Sometimes you feel bad for the men because they're never able to tell their story. If you're estimating what percentage do you think women are telling the truth?

[ManOnFire]

I would say maybe 40% of the time? Women in general lie much more than men, and especially when it has anything to do with sex, relationships, or a dispute with a man. Think of it like this: women tend to want to be seen as innocent angels in those areas, and there is a flaw in human female psychology in which they desperately need to be right and need men to be wrong. Even if that means twisting stories to appear right.

[Asker]

Definitely. Would you say most single moms pick the wrong guy to procreate with and ignore the red flags?

[ManOnFire]

I would 100% say that is true for most single moms, yes. Actually a lot of them know the guys are not very good from the beginning, but they go through with it anyway thinking they can change or fix him. And the guys they're with aren't going to change because they know she is going to put up with him. Sadly a lot of single moms do bring pain on themselves from their choices of men.

[Serkee]

A guy who's looking for a serious relationship will probably pass up a single mom no matter how pretty she looks, because a kid is too much baggage to deal with when the kid isn't yours. Guys don't want to deal with the consequences of other people's bad choices.

[Asker]

Do guys really pass them up? Attractive single moms don't have trouble getting a date

[Serkee]

A date, no, but they do have trouble keeping them around.

[Truthatanycost]

100%. I'd argue that a woman who is completely single with more average looks and body would be potentially more desirable. I don't think women really understand how having a child from another man, is seen to men at the biological level.

[Asker]

Why would a woman having 1 child be a deterrent? It's like having no children and you could see how she is as a mother

[Avicenna]

You really don't get it if you believe that

[Asker]

I definitely do understand. Guys think single moms are sexy. When you go on social media and people post if guys ask if they would date single mothers a lot of them say yes.

[Truthatanycost]

If you had the choice between 2 identical men in all areas apart from one had been divorced, had a kid from a previous marriage and the ex wife was still in his life. Would you chose to settle down with him, or the man that had never been divorced and was completely single. Remember, all other things are identical...

[LiamJHayden]

Why is she a single mom? How many children? How many baby daddies? To me there is a huge difference between a self-sufficient widow with two children from the same now deceased husband and an assistance-collecting never-married with five from four baby daddies.

[ProbablyClueless]

Yes, but not significantly. The reality is that a woman with a child/children comes with everything that children come with. And as anyone who has interacted with children knows; that can be a lot.

[Anonymous]

Moms are so beautiful and wonderful. I love just hugging and cuddling a stressed out mommy loving on her in the way she hasn’t had in a while.

If she has beautiful babies then I look at her and know that her genes are amazing.

[Anonymous]

most guys don't want that baggage of dating a girl with a child. especially when they're still young in their 20's also. so yes this is going to be hard for you.

[Asker]

I have never seen an attractive single mom struggle to get a date.

[Berethor]

The fact that she single mom lowers her value by a lot, even if she has good looks.

[Asker]

Why is that the case?

[Berethor]

Because single moms bring a lot of baggage, what man want to raise someone else's kid?

[Asker]

Men out here do it so apparently what you're saying is not reflected in real life. In the real world you see plenty of step dads

[alice55]

Depend for what, for marriage yes for sex no.

[Asker]

Marriage rates are down. I don't think guys are looking for that anymore

[alice55]

They're but they marry in their 40s nowadays and marriage and serious relationship is the same things

[Asker]

So single mothers are less desirable for serious relationships?

[alice55]

In general for a lot of guys yes but some don't mind it. There's a popular singer in France that is since many years with a single mother and raised her child as his own but in general is it not seen in a favorable ways.

[RavVid]

Yes, in her 20's she has already made a bad life decision.

[Asker]

Don't a lot of people in their 20s make bad life decisions?

[RavVid]

Yes they do but some bad decisions can't be walked back. Getting very drunk and embarrassing is mostly fine the next day.

Getting very drunk and pulling a train and getting pregnant to one of the six unknown men is a mistake that can't be walked back.

There is a difference between bad life decisions and extremely bad life decisions.

[Asker]

Absolutely but being in a relationship with a guy and getting pregnant is not a bad life decision. If the relationship didn't work out and the guy leaves nobody could predict that

[RavVid]

I hope this isn't personal. My comments are meant generically.

Quite clearly I was going to an extreme with my example. I can't agree though, your example is unpredictable, because society does have guard rails around this.

The age old one was marriage and all the social expectations around that. Totally busted now I grant you. There is still that level of expectation that a guy and girl are highly committed to each other when having a baby. The relationship not working and the guy leaving is highly predictable these days because most don't work out.

Because the girl is usually left holding the baby It is kinda appropriate for the girl to be highly selective and to also be punctilious with the use of contraception.

This is more like Rocket Science than Rocket Engineering, Rocket science is no more complicated than F = MxA. Engineering a controlled explosion is the hard part. Having a happy relationship still in 20 years is the Rocket Engineering part.

[Meropatrick]

Why is she comparing herself to other women in her age group. She should go out and try. If she is a great person with great looks nothing will stop her. But with this comparing game jeez

[Drewtate]

Not for a pump and dump but in a serious relationship yes. She has baggage.

[Kelley1]

If all other factors are equal, a single mom is less desirable than a single gal.

[Surely]

Depends on how well her child is disciplined and if her sperm donor is in the picture. While being a pain in her a$$.

[BarryLiverstone]

If she looks that good then she’s going to be desired. What are you comparing her to?

[Asker]

Women in her age group who don't have kids

[BarryLiverstone]

If both women looked the exact same and the only factor was one has kids then tbh the single woman is more desirable. But beyond that if the mom is attractive then there is nothing wrong with dating her. Am I missing something?

[BarryLiverstone]

How many children does she have?

[Asker]

1 child

[BarryLiverstone]

Ya so that’s not much different from not have any children. She knows how to date someone and protect her child until she learns to trust him

[Anonymous]

Less desirable for what? To f***? Of course not! To have a long term relationship? Absolutely.

[Asker]

Why it would be less desirable for a relationship if they are young?

[Opinion Owner]

Why does she have a kid?

[Asker]

She was in a relationship and got pregnant, the relationship broke and the father left

[Opinion Owner]

OK, here's your answer she's proven herself to be a poor decision maker. No guy wants to form a longterm relationship with that. To make matters worse she'll ALWAYS be connected to this guy through the child (even if they're not together). And a guy could date her, get engaged, marry her, then 10 years. Later the biological father decides to come back into her life. She may decide to trade it all back in for the biological father. So not only does the guy lose the wife, the marriage, but a 10 year relationship he's formed with her child.
It's simply a bad risk for a guy. And she has PROVEN herself a bad risk. I'm not saying she can't find a guy. But she's no longer going to be a guys first choice.

[Asker]

Will she have to settle for a guy that she probably wouldn't have chosen before?

[Opinion Owner]

No. It just means she might have to be a little more patient, look a little longer, and make more of an effort. To settle would be to repeat her previous mistake. Her child should be her PRIMARY focus now. Any guy worth his salt is going to know and RESPECT that. I can't tell you how many single mothers I've talked to that were looking for a guy to "save" them. That's going to turn any decent guy off. Because the guy knows she does not care about them, does not want a relationship with them, doesn't want to build.
A single mom needs to be strong for herself and her child first then worry about dating.

[DrPepper12]

TOTALLY depends on the guy. Can't Do a blanket answer

[Anonymous]

For sex? yes. For relationships and marriage? no. Single moms are a huge red flag.

[Asker]

Why are they a huge red flag?

[Opinion Owner]

Its the drama that surrounds the parenting of the child. Specifically if the father is still involved. Unlike what someone else says its not a promiscuity thing, not really. Most men dont want to raise someone else's kid.

For example I dated someone who was a single mom. I bonded with the kid.. So when we ended, it broke my heart twice.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

No. She's still young and beautiful and that definitely counts for something.

[chrissykerdock]

no she would do fine i'm sure

[4ngelic]

if she's actually really hot then no

[noohair]

How do you know what a 10 is?

[Asker]

I said her face is a 10/10 meaning she is gorgeous

[noohair]

In your opinion she is gorgeous.

[Ironco]

Why, because she's a single mom?

[Asker]

Yes sir

[Ironco]

That wouldn't bother me the least bit, long as she's a nice person. Somebody I'd like to get to know

[OtterMan68]

no, given equal personalities

[HumbleDragon]

Single parents are unfortunate

[smurfwrangler]

not many guys like single moms

[Asker]

I don't believe that to be true. Guys date single mothers all the time

[smurfwrangler]

maybe just for sex but they won't marry them

[Asker]

Truthfully marriage rates are down so even women without kids aren't getting married. When guys are dating single mothers they are only doing so just for sex?

[smurfwrangler]

nobody thinks of single moms as a long term prospect

[Asker]

Even if she has 1 child?

[smurfwrangler]

why would the number matter?

[Asker]

One child ain't that much different than no children

[Avicenna]

LOL, there is a huge difference between 0 and 1, and also between 1 and 2 or more.

[Asker]

Many more guys would be willing to commit to her if she only has 1 child. Aww

[justme444]

Nope not at all.

[WesleyDecker]

Depends on if she wears Keds brand shoes or not

[jahaims]

Yeah

[Asker]

Why?

[Anonymous]

Noo.. only if in an arab's countries i think yes