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Why isn't "ask for a raise" not lis... oh right... Gen Z. The anxieties and the *capitalist white heteronormative patriarchy noises* I forgot.
I'll let you guys in on a little secret. People with actual skills, skills that are in demand... don't have this problem. If your little data entry, front desk, "How may I help you" bubble at the bottom of the screen, job is paying you too little have you ever considered that you're not worth that much? Not to mention, the people demanding higher wages not because they work their asses off but, because they can't afford to live where they work. Which is a completely new phenomena. Since time immemorial, dad worked downtown but, lived in bumbfuc suburbia in a one bedroom with his new bride. Where do you guys get off demanding a wage that will allow you to live across the street from the downtown bank you work at? This generation is so confusing! Do you want to live in the pods or not? Do you want to stop climate change or not? The answers to these questions DIRECTLY affect things like your wages and quality of life.
There are no solutions, only trade offs. You want X, be prepared to deal with Y, and how you deal with Y will affect Z and so on and so forth. For example:
The society you want to live in, is in direct conflict with the society you want to live in. The future is pods, VR headsets in cubicles, eating bugs, conformity, and doing what you're told.
If just severally underpaid, quiet quit, when the time comes that the job steps up it’s policies on expectations for you but don’t provide any financial incentives then the 2 week notice
Quiet Quitting is such a stupid fad phrase. It literally means just doing your contractually obligated job. Work to rule, in other words, which has been around forever, and is also just normal everywhere other than the US.
Only Americans see doing only what you're paid to do as a problem. It's honestly sad. For a country that claims it's all about freedom and pursuing happiness, so many Americans willingly lick capitalism's boots for not even extra pay.
Join a union. Organize. "Quiet quit" (aka only do what you signed on and are paid to do).
Grow a spine.
Yup, exactly.
Absolutely.
I might ask for additional tasks on occasion, but never more than I can handle and only if I'm getting bored.
@demonics If you're asking for yourself, read your employment contract over again and familiarize yourself with what you're contractually obligated to do. Doing anything more than what's on that document (and "other tasks as required" is filler and does not hold up in court, by the way) is doing more than what you're paid to do.
The best thing you can do for yourself as an employee is identify the bare minimum effort you need to put in to meet expectations. Do no more than that. You're not being paid enough to go above it.
“Doing what you are paid for” assumes you are working for the wage. That’s OK, but many of work because we want to be useful, desire to accomplish something, believe in the mission, need to be busy, etc. The wages enable us to live and allow us to spend our time on the work—but the work is a matter of commitment or significance.
We aren’t some sort of “slaves to capitalism.” We want to work. Doing the minimum to get by is what someone who is a slave to their wages would do—because they are working (under protest, I guess) only for the money.
There is nothing wrong with committing yourself to work you want to do; without considering money the goal. If that is “American,” then I say it’s something we can be proud of.
@Paul_in_Indy I'm salaried. Even I have a job contract. I don't need to work above and beyond it to do good work. Nor do I need to work myself into burn out to achieve anything.
You're describing an ideal that is not the reality for the grand majority of workers and humans. You're describing a capitalists dream worker, a falsehood.
Normal, healthy people don't need work to find significance and meaning in what they do. Family, friends, hobbies, activities outside of work bring them that satisfaction.
Who would, in their right mind, commit to an employer when instead they could commit to themselves and their families.
Get your capitalist apologist ass outta here, lemming.
Oh come on, caring about your job and enjoying your work is the opposite of “burn out.”
And, of course, normal people are able to commit to multiple things at once. Don’t pretend that your life only has room for one thing. The goal is to find work that you believe in, doing something you believe is I, portent, and enjoy accomplishing what you are able to. You should enjoy growing into your job, taking on more responsibilities, becoming a more mature, more skilled professional.
I content that is normal for a much larger segment of humanity than you think. They just aren’t the people complaining about their “wage slavery” on the internet.
Capitalism gives me the freedom to work at what I believe in and to enjoy it. That is a good thing in my life.
I can’t help but chuckle at your “get out of this conversation if you won’t be bullied into repeating my ideas.” :) You must be supremely confident in your thoughts to only be comfortable expressing them in an echo chamber that you can dominate.
Joshing aside, you should seriously consider that you will never enjoy the pleasure of debate if your goal is to shut up the people who aren’t you. That’s no fun (and never gives you room to grow).
-But it does give me a laugh. So, it’s not entirely wasted. :)
Capitalism doesn't give you freedom. It gives you the illusion of it and you're too far down the rabbit hole to see it. It has only one end - imperialist facism.
And come on yourself - enjoying your work doesn't make working to rule invalid or bad. If anything, enjoying your work and refusing to let it be used to force you to commit above and beyond your contract CREATES value.
If you're paid for 40h of work a week and you do 60h because "I love my job", you're diluting the worth of your effort by 20h a week. Devaluing labour is a real Human Capital concept.
If you really love your work, then it only makes sense to defend the contractual obligations and negotiate for an accurate contract. Or, barring that, only doing your contract work.
You can always start your own business with those extra 20h.
I doubt you know many working professionals if you think the grand majority don't complain about their time and effort being taken advantage of.
If you really value your work, you'd be fairly compensated for it. Instead, you're here defending a point only Boomers want to defend.
Always give them two weeks notice as courtesy but if they tell you to pack up and get, that’s on them. Never burn bridges
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Maybe it's just me, but if you're in a job you absolutely hate, why stay? Advanced Education is designed to prepare you for a career that it's assumed you are actually interested in pursuing, and for most career choices there are many available jobs from which to choose. That being said, if you intend to leave, be an adult, give your notice and do your job to the best of your ability until you leave, I think the "quiet quitting" thing is basically a cop out for someone who doesn't really want to work, and there are far too many of those today. As far as "extra" work is concerned, if this work is beyond your scheduled hours or duties, a conversation needs to occur to discuss compensation for this "extra" work, there are laws concerning that, and you're entitled to be paid accordingly. Remember that the way you perform at a job can follow you for the remainder of your working life, so unless there are serious issues such as sexual harassment, stalking, etc., don't burn any bridges behind you as you leave, as doing so can adversely affect any future employment opportunities.
"Quiet quitting" implies that you are doing more than was agreed at the time of your hiring, without receiving any additional compensation. If you're doing that, you have only yourself to blame, but you're fully within your rights to simply start doing the job you were hired to do, and nothing more.
If you just feel like you're underpaid, but it's what you agreed to when hired, then again, that's your own fault for choosing to take the job in the first place. You can ask for a pay rise if you want, but you don't get to just do less work, and it will likely come back to bite you if you do (you'll get fired, and you won't get a good reference).
Quitting is generally a worse idea than staying on while looking for another job, as any prospective employer is going to want to know why you are unemployed - and then if you don't immediately find another job, the longer you go without one, the more they worry about the big gap on your resumé (plus it's just stressful, with inflation and rising energy bills etc).
A few things before I answer:
"Quiet quitting" is not accurate. To me quiet quitting is shirking duties, NOT doing the bare minimum. "Acting your wage" is when you do ONLY what the job description says, no more and no less. Two week's notice and just leaving are self-explanatory. I have done all of the above at some point.
Now for my answer:
I do not believe 2-weeks notice is necessary. It is a courtesy, not a requirement. Jobs can put this in their policy all they want, but it is not enforceable by law because most states are "at will" or "right to work" states, both of which allow a person to quit whenever want. Usually the only exception to this is law-enforcement and military jobs. The ONLY jobs I will ever give a two-weeks notice to are government jobs and jobs that treat me well. If a job is shitty, they get no notice. The two-week notice is a benefit to the employer, not the employee. If they are a shitty place, they do not deserve the courtesy of having any notice to figure out how to fill their slot. Let them burn by having to suddenly figure it out. I am in the camp of "act your wage" and just leave without notice.
If you work for a company with a history of firing (or not having work) for people the instant they give their notice then you'd be foolish to give notice if you need that last 2 weeks of pay to pay your bills. And I'd say you don't owe them anything since the whole point of the notice is to give them a chance to hire somebody else but if you KNOW they don't do that then what's the point.
I wouldn't say "act your wage" is a good rule. I'd say, "act the way you're treated". That goes beyond wages and into other stuff like how management treats you day to day. Also be real careful what agreements you make in life. It's better to keep your word than not.
The standard answer is give 2 weeks notice as to avoid burning your bridges but always review the employee manual for policies like what they do with sick and vacation leave as you may need to burn that BEFORE giving notice.
I made this mistake myself and lost weeks of income as a result.
Quiet quitting is millennial bullshit. In my dad's day it was called "work to rule". It was a form of industrial action short of an all-out strike.
Of course back then trade unions were a thing. Your capitalist gestapo stopped all that.
If I had something else that was better secured depending on how they treated me would determine my notice. If poorly I’d just ghost them and start the other. If respectful I’d give them proper notice
Better to keep working Till you get employed through new better higher paying job than Quit would really suck if you were struggling finding a job and couldn’t pay your bills 💵
Your new, better employer will understand your giving two weeks notice. Of course, you first line up your next job, but you also transition professionally between the two.
The professional thing to do is to give two weeks notice. Only leave sooner if you are physically in danger.
Two weeks notice. Even if you hated the job. Remain professional.
@Ms_Facesitter. Bingo. Remain professional.
Depends on the rules. Most places have rules regarding leaving. When my dad retired he gave them two weeks notice. Since my mom was her own boss she stayed until the transition was completed
I would just leave if the job doesn’t fulfill my needs
I would give two weeks notice unless I was angry about something.
Two weeks notice because it will show how professional you're giving jobs a heads up you will be parting ways.
Give your 2 weeks notice or just quit depending on the job.
Don't burn bridges.
Also, this "quitting quiet" stuff can only be done by people who have nonsense jobs.
Always quit appropriately. Never know when you may need a connection in the future
Don't be a dick and just work two weeks notice.
Just leave at2 weeks notice
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