Is it wrong to add a bible verse in a work email?

[Anonymous]

I was told to remove a Bible verse in my email signature.

[Chazmatazz269]

It’s not wrong. However, if you were told to remove it by someone with authority, it’s in your best interests to comply.
If it were me…
depending on how the request/order to remove it was worded, i’d probably just trade it for another. Ell oh ell!
Then i’d keep doing that until they told me to stop including bible quotes in work emails. At which point i would ask outright if i’m being denied my right to religion free from persecution, publicly so that the response can be witnessed and/or recorded for the record. But that’s just me. You may want to be more tactful.

[Static_In_The_Attic]

Where you work would make a difference & to some it might be wrong & to others it might not. If you work at or your employer is affiliated with a church I think that would be understandable however if you don’t some people nowadays might not like it.

[DishLady]

It depends where you’re working. In some workplaces any mention of GOD or other perceived religious expressions is prohibited for the purpose of maintaining diversity and equity policies. But, let’s say you’re working in a Christian Mission Charity … or you’re studying to be a priest … then it’s ok to use Bible verses as much as you like. Just use common sense.

[jennifer_bloom]

I’ve been accused of being a cultural diversity hater before I even had my first conversation about religion just because I said I was religious and people had opinions about how religious people act. I’ve never been racist, it goes against everything I was taught by our school and church.

[Jessica405]

Yes. You are forcing someone else to read something that is your subjective opinion. They may not even be Christian. They may even be of a religion that takes offense at Bible quotes.

I am Pagan, and would not want your religion rammed down my throat. If I was a client of where you work, you might well lose my business.

[Asker]

I am not forcing anyone to read anything. If one doesn't agree with something, they can just ignore it.

[Jessica405]

You cannot say they don't have to read it. They HAVE to read it in order to realise they shouldn't have read it.

It is like sending an email saying I am a Biden supporter to a Republican!

[Asker]

So the whole gender pronoun thing is ok, but a Bible verse is not?

[Jessica405]

The gender pronoun thing is a load of bullshit.

[Asker]

Well yeah, but my company promotes and endorses the whole gender pronoun thing on their emails, but rejects my Bible verse.

[PBandJ_Nerd]

Yes. It's a professional setting, so a bible verse isn't professional. You're allowed to have your own beliefs and whatnot but when you do work you put that aside. Unless you work at a church, religion & bible teachings aren't part of your job.

[purplepoppy]

Reading through the comments it's clear you just want a rant about gender and pronouns. The fact Geoffrey from accounts wants to be known as Fluffy isn't the same as you trying to convert people into your cult.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

It’s not exactly in good taste to have one. The main issue is how you, as an employee, represent the company. If the company does not explicitly market itself as religious, then it can be a problem for any secular clients that might not care for that particular religion. I doubt you’ll get fired over it but it will definitely be something that can come up with your boss

[IslaTheWitch]

not everyone believes... keep your personal stuff personal and private

[Asker]

So the whole gender pronoun thing is ok, but a Bible verse is not?

[IslaTheWitch]

gender pronouns are for others to know how to
address you

your beliefs are your private matter

[Asker]

So we are supposed to encourage and endorse this gender pronoun bull crap, but deny a non-condemning Bible verse?

[IslaTheWitch]

again, gender pronouns are for OTHERS; it's information about how you want to be addressed by others. So, for them to know, you have to make it public; the same is true with your name and position.

your favorite Bible verse is not something other people should or want to know... it's your PERSONAL and PRIVATE stuff and should be kept as such... the same about your sexual orientation, kinks, favorite food, and other PERSONAL and PRIVATE stuff

[Asker]

It is HE if you are a male and SHE if you are a female. It is not difficult to understand.

[Still-alive]

Very nice so this anon dude has a real clear agenda as we thought lol

[GOLDFISH_smile]

Why the fuck would you add a Bible verse to your work email? That's not a religious requirement for any denomination of Christianity that I'm aware of...

[Siri137]

Yes, it is. You're there to work, not annoy people like a fly that just won't go away. People don't like being preached to, so keep your non-work-related opinions to YOURSELF!

[BuffTaco]

What verse is it? Because if it's that one about a horse cock and ejaculations then I know exactly why they would ask you to remove that address...

[rosemilk]

religion and work do not mix. you don't see atheists telling everyone they don't believe in god in every email, do you? it's weird

[northerngal]

Unless you know the receiver I think religion, politics and sex should not be email topics or references. Its just common politeness.

[JustinTheGreat]

Yeah get rid of it… work emails are not the place to shove your religious beliefs in people’s throats lol

[Asker]

Not shoving anything down anyone's throats. If I don't agree with something, I can ignore it. As long as there is no hostility or threat.

[Nikki1989]

That is not something you do in a professional email.

[WindAtMyBack]

Yes. That has no place in the work environment. So don't do it, ever.

[JacobJordan]

Hit him with the first amendment. And then ask them to repeat it

[Chazmatazz269]

Doesn’t apply.

[JacobJordan]

@Chazmatazz269 the fuck it doesn't. Freedom of speech and religion. He can say whatever he wants and can not be legally compelled otherwise

[Chazmatazz269]

You are mistaken. The Constitution was written to protect citizens from a tyrannical government, not to protect people from the consequences associated with work policies. Unless he works for the government or a state run agency, first amendment doesn’t apply. Employers can ban any matter of speech they like if they can show cause that it’s disruptive to the workplace. Them’s the facts.

[JacobJordan]

@Chazmatazz269 no they really can't. They can ban discrimination. And discriminatory speech such as hate speech. But they can not ban speech about religion as that freedom of expression and religion are also protected by the first amendment. Read the civil rights act 1964 title VII "Title VII also requires employers to reasonably accommodate the religious practices of an employee or prospective employee, unless doing so would create an “undue hardship” on the employer." This is the facts. His employer attempting to stop him from using religious quotes (I don't support any religion as it is) is an act of religious discrimination and his employer could face a religious discrimination lawsuit. You really shouldn't claim a fact is a fact unless you actually know the laws that protect you.

[Chazmatazz269]

You didn’t dispute anything i said. You just used different words. You wrote “undue hardship”. I wrote “disruptive”. It’s semantics. Employers have successfully defeated similar claims in court. I understand the law quite adequately.

[JacobJordan]

@Chazmatazz269 and using religious quotes does not cause undue hardship as such requesting it not be used is religious discrimination. That again is a fact

[Chazmatazz269]

If you can’t cite a precedent, that’s not actually a fact. The degree of “hardship” would have to be determined by a court of law.

[JacobJordan]

@Chazmatazz269 www.lexology.com/.../detail.aspx Without a blanket policy in place what he is doing is legally protected like I said. I do know what I am talking about when I comment things mate

[Chazmatazz269]

Again, you have not disputed anything i said. The article you shared says exactly what i said.

“Although the law is still developing in this area, religious quotes in emails could be considered proselytizing.” “Creating a religiously hostile work environment by such proselytizing would likely be an undue hardship on the employer. Harassment is a fairly high—but not impossible—standard”

That’s copy and pasted from the link you shared. Like i said, your blanket statement that OP is absolutely suffering religious discrimination is false. A court of law would have to determine if his quotes are causing undue harm. Unless there’s a case near enough in disposition upon which a precedent has been set.

[JacobJordan]

@Chazmatazz269 once again unless his place of work has a blanket policy regarding quotes in emails him posting quotes is legally protected. So yes he would be facing religious discrimination if such a policy doesn't exist. If one does then problem solved. However if one doesn't and is implemented that is retaliation.

[CrabCakes11]

Yes. Nobody wants your religion involved in their professional life

[AngryCarl]

Yes, it looks unprofessional. Also not everyone who reads your emails may share your religious beliefs.

[Asker]

So the gender pronoun thing is OK, but a Bible verse is not?

[AngryCarl]

I wouldn't put gender pronouns in a work email.

[Asker]

Well the company I work for promotes the gender pronoun nonsense, but rejects my Bible verse.

[AngryCarl]

That's not a company I'd be happy working for.

[Asker]

Well it pays my bills in the meantime. I may not stay long term. Haven't decided yet.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Yeah don't do that, no one wants religious soliciting.

[Anonymous]

I would have thought so. They'll have their own doctrine and would be worried that yours does not match their customers ethics.

[In_Trance]

Your personal views might not reflect that of the company.

Clearly the company agrees

[Anonymous]

Yeah, here you can be sued for it that extends to any religious display unless it pertains to the work environment

[normalice]

If the company policy prohibits it then yes.

[GoodgirlNatalie]

@normalice impossible

[RebelinSteel]

Yes you can get to fuck with that

[Agape93]

Depends on company policy and why you're doing it

[laly520]

yes

less pro

[Iron_Man]

No, it’s good. Spread the word.

[GoodgirlNatalie]

No go for it

[Asker]

Can't. Was instructed to remove it. HR was consulted.

[DrPepper12]

Yes. Next question.

[12karen]

It's not wrong

[RedInnocent69]

Almost certainly.