Along with all the people who idolize her/them? And isn't that pretty... you know... stupid?
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As hopefully most of you can tell, the correct answer is "yes." And it's stupid.
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Unfortunately to many people who don't seem to grasp this point-- fat, unattractive males who happen to be famous are not pushing themselves (nor are their fans) as attractive. Seth Rogan, Jack Black, and whatever other overweight male actors or musicians or whatever aren't shaking their asses in thongs on live TV as though it's sexy. The only famous male guys who do that are comedians, who are hoping to get a laugh, like Will Ferrell did on SNL that one time-- as in, not to be taken seriously.
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Thankfully at least a few people on here are intelligent still, with most people voting "yes."
Are fat female celebrities, like the singer Lizzo, incorrectly promoting obesity as not only healthy, but attractive?
Attractiveness is relative but obesity is certainly unhealthy there's no question about it. Although majority of people think obese people look extremely unattractive and so do I.
I think Lizzo is doing it to get a laugh and be outrageous. John Candy and a few other fat male comedians also did outrageous things... such as dance topless next to Patrick Swayze on SNL... If she has an agenda, it might be to enjoy whatever skin you're in or work with what you've got. Just as no fat male stars come out saying it's great to be fat, she's not done that either. She has fancy, skimpy fat girl costumes because she can afford to have them and she has fancy doctors too. Maybe more giant women like her will show off their fat because of her. She has never run a be fat campaign. When she does, we can all dislike her equally.
For what it's worth then, everyone is perfectly entitled to live as they want, they can do as they please as far as I'm concerned with this codicil, do no harm to others either by your actions nor by your words.
I think then this is something that most people can get behind, however where this gets murky then is when a celebrity like her makes overt statements about her body, which to be fair is on any scale grossly obese if not hedging towards morbidly obese which any doctor will say is very dangerous. Now here's a question I want everyone to think of, if you trust a doctor when you aren't well and ask them to make you well again why is it they are wrong when it comes to body weight.
Now I understand that she is breaking a mould but ask yourself this would you want to be her weight if not but your saying how beautiful she is then you are the problem because your pandering to a progressive narrative that states at any size when your heart is working three times as hard as it should and your body is wearing down faster than it should be for your age you are encouraging dangerous attitudes and behaviours.
I don't find her attractive not because if her weight but because of her attitude and behaviour, I find her dangerous and frankly an idiotic puppet used to push a narrative of people who will drop her the moment fat isn't fashionable.
Yes she and others of her weight can be accepted but it's dangerous and disengenuos to say that she is healthy or you can be healthy at any size, yes there are people within the correct weight for their height who are very unhealthy, cholesterol count as an example, but for those a minor change to diet and some exercise is all that's needed for others then a major shift in their relationship with food and exercise is needed.
I know she does a show for 2 hours of singing and dancing ok great but then vacuuming down 30 big Mac's afterwards is the issue not the exercise all that's doing is placing undue strain on her heart and I wonder how many people will when she collapses on stage, blame themselves or point to processed foods.
What's worse is that now she has the wealth to eat a healthy balanced diet but refuses for a dangerous ideology
I don't know what you're on about. I'm a bisexual woman and all I can say is that I find Lizzo very sexy and curvy. She brings out that sex appeal more than the skinny models that you apparently like. She's not promoting obesity, she's just out there saying that if you have a curvy body, you have to love and be yourself at all times, and loving yourself means also being healthy (many girls aren't but that's another story) I know lots of girls that just have the big body type ( big rip cage, big shoulders etc. ) And maybe their body fat is avarage, but because they have big bones it's gonna stick out as "oh she's big/ fat" I admire Lizzo cause even tho she's curvy, she's out there saying to the world "yeah ok, I'm not a model and I've got fat , but I can be as beautiful as all the other girls out there" I like her self confidence. It's sexy and most guys like that body confidence that she has. At the end of the day attractiveness is subjective and if you don't like her or her body type that's fine, but just don't judge her or her choices. In this society there are so many skinny modeling girls on instagram who are almost promoting anorexia with all the bikini pictures that they post, that may and can affect young girls dealing with their body weight and obsessing over the perfect model image that this society has built over the last years. You may not know this but in the past bigger women were preferred much more than skinny ones. This is just my honest opinion :)
Sigh. So... there are a few problems here: 1) Which synonym for "fat" do you usually use, if you're too afraid to use that word? ↗ This is sadly relevant to your comment. 2) "It's sexy and most guys like that body confidence that she has" ... Being sexy is sexy. Confidence has nothing to do with it. She's not sexy. And no, "most guys" don't think obese females are attractive. 3) "You may not know this but in the past bigger women were preferred much more than skinny ones" ohh sis... are you referring to like Renaissance paintings and shit where almost all the females are fat? Yeah, see... that's because in Medieval times, when mass food production didn't exist, being fat meant you were *rich.* It meant you were high society. It meant you could AFFORD lots of food, and also to have yourself painted. And THAT was seen as attractive. The fatness in and of itself was utterly irrelevant. No, fat is not attractive, and has never really been seen as attractive. Don't let old paintings, taken entirely out of context, convince you of what you're saying in the here and now.
I knew already the whole renaissance thing don't worry.. and I'm sorry to break it to you but being sexy has a lot to do with being confident. At the end of the day it means loving yourself, and if you have that you can get with lots of guys (in shape) . Trust me I've got a lot of "fat" friends and they all got together with skinny guys who were average looking, some of them were actually pretty good looking, and at first I never understood how my friends did it. But they I discovered why. They all have lots of confidence that they built with time. I already answered to your questions.. seems like you're obsessed with the thought of disliking big women.
They aren't "big"-- they're fat. Wonder Woman, if she existed, would be "big." Lizzo is fat. They aren't the same. And apparently you didn't actually know why females are fat in Renaissance paintings or you wouldn't have mentioned it as alleged proof of anything. Yes, your friends got guys for the very simple reason that about literally half of all males are complete morons with zero standards who will fuck literally anything with a pussy that walks (in other words, betas), because males have lots of testosterone and we desire sex far more strongly than you all do. Basically they took what they could get.
They didn't just have sex with them. They were DATING. oh my friend you've got a lot to learn about respecting women. Every single women should be respected and you clearly can't do that because you brought up your hate for fat women quite a few times.. and you know what that is not nice... if a "skinny" girl that you like/ you are attracted to, heard or saw all these things that you just said, she probably wouldn't see you with the same eyes and she would probably drop you in a second because right now you sound childish and basic. Well done
And yes... I knew the Renaissance fact , I just thought it was a good topic to bring up. Also if fat women bother you so much why are you still here obsessing over them? Just leave them the fuck alone, they don't need your negative opinion (and by the way I'm saying all this and guess what... I'm not fat)
"Every single women should be respected" yawn. Should every man be respected? Talk about that and once I know you're a hypocrite, you'll still be wrong, but at least you won't be a hypocrite. And lol what does these guys DATING your friends as opposed to just fucking them once or twice have literally anything, at all, to do with the point I made?
As far as the "why do you care so much" nonsense, let me help you out, in the same way that a few other people here needed help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem Enjoy the reading.
Men should be respected too of course but right now the one who started this conversation on this topic and hearing all these things made me not agree with your opinion and I might not respect it (I know that being fat is unhealthy and you can share your opinion as much as u want, but honestly it's a big turn off for many girls and I wouldn't suggest you to say these things out loud and with much confidence)
She's supposed to 1) lose weight, and 2) stop lying to both herself and the world that obesity is healthy and attractive. The only one here that needs to get over themselves is anyone who denies this.
Where does he say obesity is healthy. You think because she's not ashamed living in a hole that she is promoting obesity as healthy. That's ridiculous.
And if she chooses to stay fat that's her choice. It still doesn't mean she believes it's not unhealthy.
That's like saying people who smoke cigarettes believe it's healthy for them.
People make unhealthy choices all the time. That doesn't mean people are delusional in believing all their choices are healthy.
Everyone who smokes know what killers cigarettes and smoking are. Anyone who looks like Lizzo knows they're fat and that fat isn't good for you. If she stays that way, in the next 10 years she's gonna see her problems mount. I hope she works on getting healthier. But that's her issue.
I hope she does too. But as someone who use to be really obese I know first hand I didn't like it. i just wasn't educated enough to know how to lose it on top of having a painful autoimmune disease that not only left me in pain a lot but left me feeling weak all the time.
Luckily I finally figured out what worked for me. And not all people who are obese eat lots and lot's of food like some idiots assume. I would eat once or twice a day at most. And it wasn't huge amounts. I have a slow digestive system and I wasn't drinking enough water or exercising enough.
The last thing an obese person should do is stop participating in life just because some jerks think if they do they are promoting obesity. Like fluffy. He's not on stage promoting obesity. He's on stage to make people laugh and support his family that way. Being obese doesn't make him or anyone worthless so that they shouldn't be in the spotlight showing the world that a person is more than their size.
The "worthless" nonsense is just that-- nonsense. I'm not suggesting she's worthless. I'm suggesting that she's incorrectly promoting obesity as both healthy and attractive, when it is neither of those things. You've created a false dichotomy here.
Some men and women are attracted to people who are overweight. Not everyone shares your opinion. And loving yourself despite being obese is not promoting that its healthy.
You have some serious fat phobias or something.
Did you get sat on by a fat person when you were a kid?🤣 get over it. You are not fat and you won't choose a fat partner. That's great. That's your choice. Just like its other peoples choice to be fat and possibly not live as long. It has nothing to do with you so stop b'tching about it.
Kind of. The thing is people like her, as well as the fat girls who probably think that this is great, are deluded, dumb, weak-minded. Because they're too lazy to do anything to lose weight, instead they decide to convince themselves that they can still be attractive despite being obese. There's no helping those people. The only reason this woman gets support is because there are so many women just like her. Especially in America, where 71% of people are over-weight.
I think the only one Lizzo is promoting is herself. I've not heard her championing obesity as something to do and she is VERY young. You can be obese as a young person. She will most likely become tired of her aching knees, feet and back after she passes 30. It's too bad she's stretching out her skin so much it'll never snap back. She's a good looking woman. When diabetes and all the rest of those health risks start crowding her... she might start living differently.
She doesn't need to actually SAY "hey, get fat like me" in order to be promoting obesity. "Show" is much louder, as a general rule, than "tell." She is 31.
@Reach500 I'm not *quite* sure if your comment was meant to be a straw man argument, but... it is. If you need help with figuring out what that is, I suggest Wikipedia.
I think she has a beautiful face and voice and she's got lots of energy. Just cause you 're fat doesn't mean you're promoting it. Very few people have her energy, voice or personality. She's successful because of that. Is Jason Statham promoting head shaving because he shaves his head? No. That's his style, look, etc. Is Laila Ali promoting boxing for women because she's a boxer? That's HER thing. Now, you could say because very few women used to box, she's opened up the idea. But boxing as exercise increases stamina and hand eye, foot coordination. There's nothing positive about becoming or staying obese. So, I don't see the promotion thing. Kate Smith and Ella Fitzgerald and Aretha were fat singers their whole lives until they were old and they lost weight for health reasons. I never saw their fat as something to emulate. Their singing, their talent! Yeah. But, Lizzo has to accept and love herself as she is. I hope she chooses to be a healthier weight. But I'm not going to denigrate her or say she's promoting fat, because I don't see it. Let it go.
Karen Carpenter was anorexic. She wasn't promoting being unhealthy on the other end of the scale. She was showing up to sing. That's what Lizzo is doing.
@Reach500 And it was a genuine answer. Start reading, and good luck! I believe in you! @Screenwriter Well... "Is Laila Ali promoting boxing for women because she's a boxer?" uhm, yes. She is. And she does. Bad example. Not to mention that none of the things you listed have anything to do with what we're talking about-- obesity. Changing the subject doesn't really work, you know.
OK, Ali is promoting boxing. But that's a healthy exercise/sport if it's not two people beating each other up in the ring. Bad example. But bald Jason isn't supporting head shaving... That works. Are models promoting being super thin? It's their jobs and they make money wearing clothes and clothes makers want skinny women to wear their clothes. She's just not ashamed of being fat. Maybe that's what's bothering you. You want her to be ashamed, and horrified at her looks. I don't think that's necessary. You can be. But why does it bother you. She doesn't have a fat campaign. She's just herself. ..
It would be different if there weren't communists breathing down our necks trying to push every absurdity on us to destroy or society. She's not doing this among friends anyway, it's in front of the public she's pushing the Marxist equality of outcome narrative. Do you want men dressed up like women using the restroom with you? How about competing in women's sports? Because this is all tied together. Some commie told her how hot she is no matter how fat and she couldn't resist that sweet talk even though if they get their way she'll probably end up in a labor camp or shot.
@MackToday She may be struggling with some illness that affects her thyroid or an autoimmune thing and she's taking steroids... We don't know why she's so big. So I wouldn't judge her. But it's her issue. I'm not going to fat shame her. I think she has a good attitude and pokes fun at herself and she's kind of outrageous about her fat. I don't mind. I wish her good luck.
It makes no difference how she got that way, in fact if her thyroid is messed up that's even worse. She does not have a healthy body and should not promote this kind of thing as health or attractive, it's a lie. As to "fat shaming" that's a made up political word. Don't you know the Marxist prey on people with problem such as being over weight? They make these words up to pander to them and make them feel better. It's to get them out on the street doing their dirty work. They don't care about these people, they're killers. Just take a look at this video it's well worth your time you're already using their language and falling for their tricks. https://www.bitchute.com/video/KvdknPVCt1kc/
@MackToday Her simply EXISTING as a fat woman does not mean she promotes being fat for anyone else. Did Karen Carpenter promote being an anorexic because she was one? That's what I'm talking about with the shaming. OK, she's unhealthy, she's fat. No one denies that. I don't think anyone should hound her because of it. We don't treat depressed people with denigration because they're struggling with depression. But we treat fat people like pariahs because they aren't aesthetically pleasing. You can't see depression. But you can see all those chicken nuggets wobbling on her thighs. Her illness is visible and her fault. Sort of like a smoker's illness is theri fault. You can ride them about stopping. But that isn't going to change a thing for her. Until she feels the need to change, nothing will make her. Just like nothing will make a smoker stop until they feel the need to stop hurting their lungs.. Or stop abusing drugs... Et al. She's a good singer and she puts on a good show. That's what I see when I see her, fat and all.
"Her simply EXISTING as a fat woman does not mean she promotes being fat for anyone else." ... She is not fucking "simply existing." That is completely disingenuous and you know it. "People who are simply existing" don't do this: popculture.com/.../
So, she twerked at a B-ball game! Showed off her thong. That's LIzzo. She's outrageous. If she was regular sized, would you be crowing about this or calling her hot? Cheerleaders aren't promoting "cheerleading." Prince came out at the grammys with a see through butt showing pair of fancy pants. Was he promoting "butt exposing?" I thought Prince was hilarious and risque. Same as Lizzo. Only her size is different. Write her emails and tell her to stop. Lots of celebrities smoke and are alcoholics too. You think they want young people to emulate them just because they're doing something unhealthy? You can't police people's practices unless they're illegal. You can spend your time being upset about Lizzo. Not gonna change a thing about her.
It's your opinion that she's disgusting. Chris Farley who danced next to Patrick Swayze flopping his fat around on SNL looked disgusting too. He did it for comedy. Lizzo does it for shock and comedy and to make a statement. She can BE fat. That's her choice. She's a grown woman. It was the same for Farley and John Candy and Jack Black. They have their niche. They had their popularity. Fact is Farley and Candy are dead and they both died before age 50 because of their obesity. I think Farley wasn't 40. When Lizzo says girls, go out and be obese, I'll agree with you. Being accepting of where you are is ONE thing. Showing up AS you are is one thing. You don't have to watch or look at her. The media is going to show her doing foolish things at basketball games. Or whereever because she's popular right now and she's fat. So, look away. Some people are going to take her existance as an OK to be obese. These people are in denial. If it wasn't Lizzo, they'd use something or someone else as an excuse. You can only blame an individual for their situation. Not some singer or movie star.
"He did it for comedy." Well done. Thanks for agreeing with me, since I'm right. "Lizzo does it for shock and comedy and to make a statement." Oh-- 1) it is shocking, but not in the way she wants it to be, 2) she does not do it for comedy, you're literally lying right now, and 3) to "make a statement?" The fucking hell are you talking about? The literal ability to "make a statement" does not make whatever you're stating true or correct merely because you state it. Are you dumb? "The Civil War never happened." "Uhh... yes it did--" "I'M ALLOWED TO MAKE A STATEMENT" what the hell are you talking about? Her *literal ability* to be fat and unattractive is not at issue here. Have you not been paying attention?
That's a stretch. I think fat celebrities are promoting their songs. That's it. I don't get the impression they're promoting their body type. They just chose to work with what they got now and be confident which isn't necessarily a bad thing, coming from someone who has been suffering with eating disorders since the age of 15 and could use self confidence.
I wouldn't go my own way to obsess over the bodies of celebrities.
Most artists are unhealthy in a way or another , whether they're addicted to drugs, alcohol , cigarettes etc or have mental health issues, might as well just boycott all the industry if it bugs you so much (the industry is shit anyways).
you're complaining about fat singers because they're unhealthy. If the fact that they're unhealthy is truly the reason you don't like them (and not aesthetic/attraction reasons) , then that would mean you shouldn't like slim celebrities with eating disorders and other unhealthy habits.
Yeah except it's pretty clear that that's not the only issue, nor should it be-- "attractive" is in the title of my post. And no, that wouldn't be what it means anyway. All unhealthy things/lifestyles/bodies are not related merely because they are all unhealthy.
most fat women don't promote for this they actually want to be average sized , no one wants to be fat , even if celebrities promote this , fat people actually experience what's like to be fat and they don't like that experience so they would never promote such a thing BUT if ur a fat person who has a lot of talent then why should your state of your body at the moment be a limit to show the world your talent? if u have a great voice but you're fat doesn't mean that u shouldn't be able to sing
and this thing about promoting fat is not working in real life bc what I've seen and read people don't like fat people , so why are u talking about this if it doesn't really work?
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You obviously have a thing for overweight people as you spam this site each and every week with this bullshit. Why not admit it, you adore plus-size women.
Personaly, I don't think they are. If she is fat, but is a good singer, why she shouldn't sing? And you don't know whether she wants to or doesn't want to lose weight. While there certanly are some fat celebrities who try to push obesity as attractive or acceptable, I think most of them don't, and are just trying to lose weight themselves.
She's an alright singer, dunno about good. And so let her sing, fine; shaking her massive cellulite ass clad in a thong on live TV is clear and obvious body promotion, dude.
She isn’t promoting obesity, she is promoting self loving. Showing people that you should love your own body no matter what size you are. You think she doesn’t know that she is overweight? We can’t assume that just because she is big that means she lives an unhealthy life. She actually performs 1.5-2 hour shows dancing, in heels by the way, playing flute etc. This all requires a lot of endurance on her part. On the opposite spectrum, just because someone is skinny doesn’t mean they are healthy. Young women should all be proud of their bodies. Shaming only leads to eating disorders. Which leads to losing weight in an unhealthy way.
... No she isn't. "Young women should all be proud of their bodies." ... no they shouldn't. "Shaming only leads to eating disorders." ... no it doesn't.
You sound like someone who enjoys missing the point because it's a point you don't want to be true. I feel sorry for whatever guy ends up with you, if one does.
I’m not missing any point. You come on here and ask for opinions and tell everyone who doesn’t agree with you that they are wrong. Opinions are just that, opinions. Nothing to do with fact. You can’t handle that other people think differently than you cause you’re an immature child. Everyone deserves to be proud of their bodies no matter how they look. But seriously, keep up that disrespectful attitude and you’ll never keep a woman in your life longer than a few weeks.
... Your opinion is not *based in* fact, sis. You're essentially saying that in your opinion, obesity isn't a big deal because you don't think it is. The nice thing about objective reality-- and why you're wrong-- is that obesity IS a big deal, and a bad thing, which is literally confirmed by facts and medical science. My "opinion" isn't an opinion. Yours isn't either-- you're simply wrong.
Did I say anywhere in my comment that obesity was a good thing? You obviously don’t know how to read. I said everyone deserves to be proud of their bodies, no matter what they look like. Loving your body is more important than how you look or what the number is on the scale. And if someone who is obese feels terrible about themselves that’s just gonna lead them to eat more or go to drastic measure to lose the weight. Weight loss is just as much mental as it is physical. They also have to want it, not have it forced on them (unless of course it’s life threatening and ends up doctor ordered)
I know what the word means dickwad. I didn’t imply anything about obesity being a good thing. Maybe go re read what I said word by word so you can understand.
body positivity is a trap. it’s a dangerous mental game getting unhealthy people to accept being unhealthy. don’t give me the fat and healthy bull shit. because that isn’t true. let’s celebrate her music and not the fact that she weighs as much as a dodge challenger
Yeah that's part of it but it certainly ain't all. It's easier for some people than for others, but it's achievable for almost everyone, with the correct know-how and dedication.
Honestly I'm okay with a girl being on the bigger side as long as she isn't taller than me as well. I'm 6ft and thin. Why do people feel the need to comment on someone's looks/health if they don't the person and isn't in the medical field giving advice to a patient?
It’s not afraid to called someone fat, but being skinny and people commenting on my weight I know how it feels and don’t comment directly on someone’s weight period.
I used to be 300+ lbs, i worked hard and lost over 70 lbs so far. And personally i don't think fat shaming is a bad thing. You don't like being fat, eat less, eat better, and exercise a little. It's stupid simple, just don't be so lazy.
It’s great that you have been able to lose the weight. Although I disagree about fat shaming not being bad. Maybe it didn’t affect you. But how about a teenager? Someone younger may start to hate their bodies and turn to unhealthy ways to lose weight like starving themselves. Then they aren’t much healthier than they were when they weighed more.
I was relentlessly bullied and mocked for my weight in school. Since way back in middle school. Fact is everyone is to soft now and words hurt when they shouldn't. But you know what else hurt? Getting jumped for being fat. I've received since of the worst when it comes to fat shaming and i still stand by my word. Like i said, it doesn't take much work to lose weight as long as you put the work in. It's all self control and if you can't manage that then you're completely fucked in life.
I agree with you on that. When you put in the work you will definitely see results. What I mean is, what happens before. I’m sorry you were bullied for you weight but obviously it’s led you to this point and pushed you to do better. Not everyone can say the same. Especially young women. Girls are under so much pressure to look a certain way, be a certain weight. This is why I don’t like fat shaming. It leads to insecurities and eating disorders for young girls then they don’t lose the weight in a healthy way.
@HayleyMarie "Girls are under so much pressure to look a certain way, be a certain weight." The fuck? No they aren't. If they are, then why the hell are so many of them so unbelievably fat? Obviously this "pressure" doesn't mean much to most of them.
Lmao you’re not even female so how can you say? You can even begin to understand how women are looked at in society cause you as a man will never experience it. How many male celebrities are criticized for their bodies? Female celebrities are put under a fucking microscope. As soon as an actress gains/loses 10 pounds tabloids are printing out how she’s now “too skinny or too curvy”
@HayleyMarie "How many male celebrities are criticized for their bodies?" Lots. Do you see Jack Black or Seth Rogan in Calvin Klein ads? "Female celebrities are put under a fucking microscope." Uh, good-- they're in the public eye. So...
They’re not in ads but they also aren’t judged for being bigger. If Seth regained all of the weight he’s lost tabloids wouldn’t care. Pick any female celebrity and watch her put on 50 pounds, see how fast it’s on the cover of a gossip magazine.
She’s feminist, supports body positivity, and promotes bodily autonomy to some degree, but not in the healthy way. It’s more like a “be proud of who you are” and “don’t change yourself for others” agenda. Obesity isn’t something that you should take pride in or feel is natural though.. because it’s not. It’s good to be confident, not stupid. But, It’s always acceptable for a fat man to milk his way into media exposure but never a fat woman, and that’s where the double standard needs to end.
"It’s good to be confident, not stupid." Correct. "But, It’s always acceptable for a fat man to milk his way into media exposure" Well... I don't know about that. It depends what you mean by "media exposure." Yes, there are famous fat dudes, but there is not this generally-pushed mass lie, both IRL and online, that they (the fat unattractive guys) are attractive, or hot, or that their looks are the reason why they are famous, or even that that SHOULD be the case. You don't see these type of guys (unless they're a comedian, like Will Ferrell on SNL for example) shaking their thongged, naked asses on live TV in a desperate plea for attention and expecting their fans online to shame anyone who deigns to say "that's gross and you're unattractive," even though that's the truth.
We shouldn’t be telling people it’s okay to be obese because it isn’t. It’s important that everyone knows all these thin models are not the norm and should be body confident (within reason) but this is extreme. She should lose weight not for other people but for her own health.
She's not, but writers will latch onto anything if it makes you click. Marketers will use that deviation from the norm as her selling point. And individuals will defend it to the hilt because their own ego/identity/sense of self is on the line. You're focusing on her, but she's just riding a larger wave.
Also, y'all are focusing on fat dudes for comparison, but dudes have value in being a provider over fitness. Dudes are expected to provide for themselves, so they don't look to women for that primarily. This should be obvious with a step back. It's a double standard, but there's an opposite sex equivalent. Remember "thrift shop"? Same thing but for dudes: broke acceptance. Remember "No scrubs"? Broke shaming. No wonder you're confused, you're approaching the conundrum from a sex-neutral perspective.
"whats wrong with idolizing someone who's fat?" Um... it's gross and unhealthy. It's antithetical to reason and logic. And it tells other fat people that their fatness is okay, when it literally isn't. Our opinion about fat is completely irrelevant-- it's gross and unhealthy. How we FEEL about that doesn't change it. "sounds like you're just mad not everyone in the spotlight is wank worthy to you anymore" Sure sis. Or maybe people are just cripplingly stupid enough to make the spotlight that way in the first place.
my point is that you are dehumanizing said fat people and insinuating that they're inferior to non fat people, therefore thinking about them in a positive or admiring light is unacceptable or wrong, even if that admiration has nothing to do with their body which, 99% of the time, is the case. fuck off misogynist! xoxo
you know, i leave this site for months at a time when i stop being bored and every time i log back on you're still here being a whiney little incel about women who don't give a damn about you
@The_man_whol_aughs you're going to die one day just like the rest of us so let go of the grand delusions that you're better than anyone else. xoxoxoxoxxoxoxo
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me being a fat cheap bastard i agree she is grossly over weight, i mean i hide my chipmunk fluff so i dont make others cringe but she is just embarrassing the fat people with her actions.
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I actually agree with you with this.
If anything these people have a responsibility to be healthy so that their fans will follow in suite and do the same. And since they have usually massive platforms can more easily promote being healthy.
For me I could never date a woman bigger then me just because it's wouldn't look right to me but honestly if your happy about your self regardless of how you look then that's on you I won't care about ya just like I won't care about anyone else that's there life I can't change that if you wanna be fat be fat you wanna be this or that be this or that
I think there are to many issues with this question. Is it wrong to try and say obesity is healthy and ok-yes However if a big woman is ok with her weight in any size and feels good about themselves then fuck it because confidence is sexy and feeling sexy is sexy
Yeah no, this isn't a rhetorical question. Your just rude. You dont get to say it's a rhetorical question and thing that just nullifies everything just like punching someone isn't nullified by calling it a prank
Your headline asks a question to which you could respond 'Yes' to, but if you were to have the same sentiment but answered the addendum you would answer 'no.' I'm going to guess you'll have some skewed results because of that.
No, but only technically. Nobody without a fetish finds it attractive and you'd have to be a moron to think it's healthy, but they ARE making people think it's OK.
You can be heavy and be healthy. We needed someone to show people that they are proud to be themselves - regardless of stretch marks or tummy rolls. We needed a role model for the girls out there that think they're too fat and are starting to become bulimic or anorexic. It doesn't matter if she is heavy, not your body and not your problem. she's helping young girls accept themselves for who they are and not look up to size 0 models.
All the studies show that obesity is a risk for cardiovascular disease, strokes and more issues. Even if your blood pressure, cholesterol and diabetic profile is OK for now, the issues increase the more time passes. Fat and healthy is a misnomer. Extra body weight alone, especially obesity is a huge risk. It makes your heart work harder and it stresses your joints and bones. Obese people are not necessarily lazy, but they may be deluding themselves about their health profiles.
So heavier people who are exercising and eating right are still unhealthy? Most people eat chips and sweets all day and won't gain an ounce while someone else can eat a chip and gain 10 pounds. It all depends on the person and you don't know anything about their diet or their body. You can't just make a blanket statement and say everyone heavy is unhealthy because not everyone is. I understand that someone who has steadily gained weight and isn't planning on losing may be unhealthy but how do you know that's what lizzo is doing? What exactly do you know about lizzos past that makes you a medical expert all of a sudden? Her medical history, emotional stress and diet all greatly factor in and you know nothing about her.
From a host of studies. The risk factors from being obese alone, and having no other illnesses, rises over time. Not mildly overweight. But rolls of fat and extra large. If you are obese, something isn't right about your eating and your exercising. You cannot be eating healthy or exercising enough if you continue to be obese. You are taking in more calores than you are expending and not exercising enough to add muscle and burn off calories and excess weight. The studies followed people for 20 and 30 years to get this information.. I don't know a thing about Lizzo or her issues. She may have an autoimmune issue that affects her weight. I haven't a clue. I'm just reporting what studies show. Lizzo may be the healthiest she can be with whatever issues she has. I know all the factors you state affect how a person lives their life. I'm just reporting on some of what I read about obesity health factors... Not on LIzzo.
"So heavier people who are exercising and eating right are still unhealthy?"
Yes there is a clear correlation between obesity and so many health conditions - heart disease , heart attacks , strokes , type 2 diabetes , sleep apnea, several forms or cancer, gastrointestinal issues, depression , anxiety. The amount of medical research that has been conducted on this is vast.
"You can't just make a blanket statement and say everyone heavy is unhealthy because not everyone is." What the medical research indicates is that obese people are much more prone to the conditions that I mentioned above. The risk is much , much higher.
" Most people eat chips and sweets all day and won't gain an ounce while someone else can eat a chip and gain 10 pounds"
People become obese because they consume more calories then they should. They may not realize it due to not being aware of how much their body needs but at a basic level that is how it works.
Understand that this current trend of obesity is not normal in human history. We have been around for over 200,000 thousand years and this is the first time in history that we have had access to so much food. You are 17 and may think that this trend where the majority of people are obese is somehow normal but it is not. When I was a kid it was very , very rare to see obese people. But I would urge you to look at the historical date; when sugar started being substituted for fat in many processed foods the obesity levels started to slowly climbs up - this was in the early 80's and now we are at a point in our history where most people in the US are obese.
People don't become obese because they slaked off on their diets for a day or two - they tend to become obese because they are are exposed to a life time of sugar and huge portions. This , sadly, is the American diet. I have traveled to several different countries outside of the US and in no place will you see as many obese people as in the US.
"It doesn't matter if she is heavy, not your body and not your problem. she's helping young girls accept themselves for who they are and not look up to size 0 models. "
This is a myopic view point based on thinking that one person's behavior or issues do not effect other people. What we do will effect other people some how. If someone is driving while intoxicated I could say that it is not my car and not my body so it is not my problem. But what if that person kills some one with his / her car? If the people next door /play loud music at night I could say not my music not my house so not my problem. But their loud music will effect my sleep and thus my health.
It may not be my body but it will become , by extension , our problem; Why? - obese people are more likely to: - get fired / laid off from job - end up on government assistant - this comes from our takes dollars - end of with a host of health conditions which will effect their ability to work and so have a negative impact on the economy. - when they get older and sicker due to their obesity and are not able to work they will become a burden on family members that will have to help take care of them.
Under no circumstances should obesity be celebrated or promoted - It is unhealthy , it is making this county sick, and it is socially irresponsible.
I'm just saying screen writerstheses days suck. No new idea, constant remakes of old movies mostly ruining them. I hope you would at least try to be original.
@Burtonfan Just finished watching the silly little B movie with Statham, "The Meg." It was a good laugh. Jawsesque GIGANTIC shark that kept attacking people like Moby Dick. Made no sense whatsoever. People CONSTANTLY falling in the water when the shark approached. Statham always saving them at the last minute.. showing off his gigantic abs... It really was a treat... Mad Max Fury Road was riveting though. Sure. The same trope, but new characters and reasons... I find it more disturbing that there are direct copy remakes of 30, 40, 60 year old movies. Remakes can be OK. But twist it! Seems like they're milking a cash cow...
@Smiley_face101 If you have lots of muscle you will weigh more always, but your body will be slimmer looking and fit smaller clothes over time. You'll also burn more calories and be able to eat more to maintain that muscle. Eventually find out your PERCENTAGE of body fat. That doesn't equate to BMI which just lines up with height to weight. You might be considered overweight according to BMI. But if your percentage of body fat is low, say 17% for a woman, you are NOT overweight.
@Screenwriter Everything you said was correct until you said that 17% percent for a girl was low. 17% is what should be considered extremely average-- anything below 13% or 14% for a girl is low. Above 20% is high. Above 25% is fat. Above 30% is morbidly obese.
Description Women Men Athletes 14–20% 6–13% Fitness 21–24% 14–17% Average 25–31% 18–24% Obese 32%+ 25%+ ATHLETES fall in the 14-20 percent range for women. So 17% would be a muscular, trim woman.
Uh... I guess? But "being herself" includes promoting her obesity as attractive, a la wearing a thong and shaking her massive ass on live TV, for example.
id rather have her think she is pretty then have her call herself ugly and everyone else that watches her videos. she didn't tell people to be fat, she is just trying to show that she has more to her then just being fat
She can sing really well and has some songs that aren't about sex or partying, that's artistic enough. Just because you dont like the way she looks doesn't mean she isn't a good person
Well we aren't talking about whether she's a good person or not; I didn't suggest that she's immoral or something. Although, in a way, promoting a disgusting and unhealthy body type as not only healthy, but attractive, is immoral, kind of. Because it affects how other people think. And the thing about objective reality is that it's objective whether we think it is or not-- obesity is gross and unhealthy. That's a fact. Whether we THINK it is or not doesn't really matter. So in a sense, she isn't that great of a person, if you look at it from that angle. In other ways, I'm sure she's a fine human.
I'm not suggesting that you called her immoral, im suggesting that its immoral of you to shame her for trying to be happy with herself. whether women are confident about their weight or embarressed by it, people aren't going to stop trying to look a certain way. Lizzo is just being confident in her other talents, she never told anyone to accept that they are fat and not do anything about it. Im sure she is trying to lose weight, but she's not gonna lecture her audience about weightloss, she's gonna work on her own body without trying to influence peoples views of themself because she is an artist, she creates art, she isn't our doctor, she doesn't need to tell us what to do with our bodies, she's creating music because that is what she loves
it's not wrong to promote it as attractive because it is to a lot of people. but that body type is dangerous to promote as "healthy". She might be, because she has celebrity personal trainers keeping her working on her heart health, but girls and kids that see her and idolize her do not.
"it's not wrong to promote it as attractive because it is to a lot of people" uhhh... yes, it is wrong, because it's not attractive. The people who think it is are objectively stupid. Catering to stupidity is wrong.
You need to realize that the agenda women have worked long and hard on says that obese women are attractive while men who are much less overweight are disgusting pigs
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so many women attacking you who would be disgusted by a guy just 20 pounds overweight lol... such shameless hypocrisy
i wouldn’t worry about it. she’s getting fucking roasted on every social media platform. the memes are hilarious. one was like “we don’t need a bomb to drop on iran. we can just drop lizzie”
From what I have seen from her I don't think she promots it at all she mostly promots just being confident and loving yourself but that stunt she pulled at the game was just trashy.
Body acceptance is healthier than being depressed and feeling like crap all the time. I haven't heard this women sing though she's able to walk isn't she? I remember once there was a show on TLC
Dunno what you mean about walking and TLC, but it's really not healthier than that unrelated thing-- physique and your feelings are not the same. They can affect each other, sure, but they're not the same. Whether you feel nice and fine or whether you feel sad... if you're fat, your kidneys and joints don't care how you FEEL about your weight. If you (not YOU you, I mean people in general of course) are sad about your weight and don't like it, then... do something about it. Rather than lying and saying it's attractive, when literally everyone knows it isn't, even if they don't say so.
Mkay, again, since you missed it the first time, being skinny does not mean that one is anorexic. People need to stop saying it, since it's objectively and measurably wrong. People are neither "you must be obese" or, if they aren't obese, "you must be anorexic." You have created a false dichotomy. Saying "obesity/fatness is gross and unhealthy," which is true, is not promotion of anorexia. If you think it is, you're wrong.
Skinny = underweight Premoting women (not females, animals are females) being below what is consider normal weight is premoting anorexia. Your problem is that you consider underweight being normal weight and normal weight being overweight.
Also I am not anywhere near Lizzo (as in much slimmer) and seeing her does not make me want to be at her weight so she does not premote anything. I really love listening to Britney Spears but it does not mean I will go blonde now.
Sis you're clearly self-conscious and insecure about your weight, which is why you continuously say these things on all the posts all over GaG. Lying to everyone with bullshit like "skinny = anorexic," which is stupid and incorrect, isn't going to help you any. You continuously use BMI as an indicator of health, when anyone with sense knows that BMI does not mean anything-- body fat percentage is what matters, and BMI is not body fat percentage. Also, you have already failed in your own irrationality; if Lizzo isn't promoting obesity by being fat, and you don't want to be blond just because you listen to Britney Spears, then why would "Underweight models cause women to strive the underweight look thus premoting eating disorders such as anorexia" this bullshit be true? It isn't. Spare us your moronic, not-based-in-reality rhetoric, please. I'm losing brain cells here reading your comments.
Oh wow okay, I am super comfortable with myself. But I know that there are way too many girls that might read comments like yours and would think all men love super skinny girls which is false of course. So all I do is trying to put a mirror infront of your face. I did not call all the skinny people anorexic. My best friend is skinny af and eats a lot, its her build. Same with overweight people, a lot of people are neturally big just like some people are tall and some are short. If anything, you are the one to call women with body fat percentage (since bmi does not consider muscle mass which I have a lot of) over 20 obese
... Did you miss the thong shaking on live TV? That is something that either 1) comedians do or 2) people (females) who want to be seen as attractive do. That is all.
If I'm listening to a singer I care about her voice and singing skills not her looks. If she was a model like Tess Holliday then I could have raised some concerns.
GROSS! But this is what marketing does, clothing lines do this just to sell, they don't give a shit, new niche is born and fat people have biggers support, because fat people can't move. They are keyboard warriors. FAT = UGLY!
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I think it's horrible. It's promoting poor health and premature death.
Show don't tell. We don't need to specifically say something in life in order to mean it necessarily. If I punch someone in the face, you can supposed logically that I don't like them-- whether I say I like them or not doesn't matter, does it. Lizzo and other fat female celebrities putting on skimpy clothing and shaking their massive fat asses and cellulite bodies everywhere on stage and live TV shows people that that's apparently acceptable, when it isn't. 1) It's unattractive and gross, and 2) obesity is unhealthy and unnatural. These are facts, not opinions.
Well she is a performer. Much like WWE wrestlers who only wear underwear and a pair of boots. They are both putting on a show. But when they are walking around doing groceries they aren't wearing their outfits. So what's the difference between them?
Um... WWE wrestlers are athletes who are an attractive weight and who are physically healthy. Lizzo, and people like her, aren't. Like asking what the difference is between night and day.
Except that there are fat wrestlers too. You don't really hear people saying that fat WWE wrestlers and sumo wrestlers are unattractive, do you? These professionals are a product that brings to the table unique personality traits that the market craves due to oversaturation. Let me give you another example. Actors gain weight to play certain roles. Jared Leto gained 67 pounds for Chapter 27. Renee Zellweger gained 40 pounds for Bridget Jones Diary. Rob Mcelhenny gained over 50 pounds in Always Sunny in Philidelphia just to make his character funnier. The comedian Gabriel Iglesias makes fun of his weight all the time, but do you hear anybody promoting obesity? No, it's a job, and being fat just puts them in business. If someone gave you 50 million dollars to play a role that required you to gain 60 pounds of fat by eating cheeseburgers every day for a month, you'd say no? Maybe Lizzo would lose weight one day, but when she's doing so well on the billboards, why would she stop promoting herself.
And I'll tell you again, since you missed it the first time, "Show don't tell. We don't need to specifically say something in life in order to mean it necessarily. If I punch someone in the face, you can supposed logically that I don't like them-- whether I say I like them or not doesn't matter, does it. Lizzo and other fat female celebrities putting on skimpy clothing and shaking their massive fat asses and cellulite bodies everywhere on stage and live TV shows people that that's apparently acceptable, when it isn't. 1) It's unattractive and gross, and 2) obesity is unhealthy and unnatural. These are facts, not opinions."
What can be said, they get paid a lot of money to continue what they do. If all you want to see is skinny people dancing, you could always switch to a video of Beyonce on. And just because there is BBW porn on the internet doesn't mean you have to tune into it either. I don't get why you are on GaG about this. If this meant so much to you, why aren't you on Lizzo's facebook personally telling her to stop what she's doing. You know, get straight to the source.
Because morons on Facebook would moan about it. Lizzo isn't going to change; there's no point in trying to make her. Changing other people's minds, enough of them, will hopefully filter up to her and help her understand what she's doing wrong. It's not just Lizzo, by the way. I'm using the example of Lizzo but there are many others.
haha what victorias secret angels are the best women! But well marketing seems like it works, let's have fat women. Yay! Wrong world when people have too much of everything, obesity starts. Thin screens , fat people.
Well, yes, they are, and again, all things are not related. The question isn't about anorexia. People are not automatically either obese, and if they're not obese, anorexic. You've created a false dichotomy here.
Great point mistixs! I think this guy has a problem with fat women. If he thinks Lizzo being overweight is promoting obesity but apparently underweight women aren’t promoting anorexia? Lmao. Ok. Reality check bud. Neither are healthy. But you don’t care about the underweight women cause at least they sent covered in fat right? 🙄
@HayleyMarie It hits me personally because I'm underweight because I don't eat enough. Last year my BMI went down to 15, which is "starvation level". I started to develop health problems because of it.
Anorexic models are part of the reason I'm afraid t become a healthy weight. So yeah I would say they're promoting anorexia.
In terms of health, being underweight is worse than being overweight. Which makes sense because if an overweight person gained 30 pounds, it would be unhealthy, but if I lost 30 pounds, I would literally have organ failure and die - if I even survived to that point.
I’m so sorry to hear that. It’s really a shame, and it’s also why I’m happy that nowadays women of all shapes and sizes are being celebrated. For years thin women have been idolized while the larger ones have been seen as unattractive. This has led to many self esteem and eating disorders in young women, such as yourself. The “Victoria’s Secret era” has clearly damaged a lot of young girls.
Anybody who thinks that chick is hot will find no competition from me. Gross
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People of both genders do that. Obesity is not natural; it’s disgusting and unhealthy. Feeling good about oneself is fine, but promoting a body type that dramatically increases one’s risk of having serious health problems is not okay.
Mmmm... no, you don't see fat males that aren't comedians like Chris Farley back in the day or whatever up on live TV in basically zero clothing, trying really hard to convince you how sexy they are (or aren't, really). This is a female-only problem.
No they are beautiful the way they are they’re not promoting anything they just live in their lives and being who they are. Fat shaming & negative people who are against them are miserable themselves.
... No they aren't, and yes they are. There is no such thing as "fat-shaming." Pointing out a statement of fact-- that someone is fat-- is simply stating a fact. A statement of fact is not "shaming." Like saying you're "blue-eye shaming" to point out to someone, "hey you have really blue eyes." That isn't logical.
why does it matter so much, as soon as a successful "overweight' women make it on the radio you're so quick to pick on her. You know nothing about her life, she might be trying to lose weight, and eat healthily. people are so quick to judge, let her live her life and know her worth, because its a lot more then an obvious catfish trolling women he doesn't find appealing every week. get over yourself.
"Why does it matter so much" you mean why does giving yourself diabetes matter? Maybe look up the reasons why obesity is bad before you start asking weird questions with really obvious answers.
Uh because bad things are bad? Duh? I also care about war deaths even if I don't know the people who were killed. Important things are important. Are you serious?
No you are , if a skinny anorexic girl was signing you wouldn’t say shit, she works hard for her job and like I said you know nothing about her life, she’s telling young girls to look after themselves and know their worth because many get bullied for the way they look just like you are doing right now. She has nothing to do with your life just leave it alone. And by the way there’s a wide difference between war and a women singing and having fans
You, like a few other females here who have answered, have created a false dichotomy-- people are not, if they are not obese, anorexic. The correct answer is to be *normal.* A normal slim healthy weight. You're saying, whether you mean to or not, that to suggest that obesity is bad (which it is) means that the person suggesting it is promoting anorexia instead. That not only is incorrect, but really, really stupid.
Maybe you should stop fucking stop focusing on appearance like it’s your life line and let people do what they want, no one can be perfect. Sure they can aspire to be their best, but they aren’t living for you so calm the fuck down and move on🤡
Nicely done essentially having no argument whatsoever. Here, since you missed it on other peoples' comments who did the same thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
lmaooooooooooooooooo you're such a clown you're only argument is being bothered so much that you dont find her attractive!!! you're a catfish as well lmfaoo probably some fat old man bullying girls twice as successful as them all because he feels as pathetic as how he looks at them!! keep talking clown. WHOOOPS I meant CATFISHH hahaah
Why can't she think she is beautiful? why can't others think she is beautiful? belive it or not but some men an women are into fat women. And even if every single person on this planet is not into fat girls, that doesn't mean she can't twerk if she wants to. Besides I had to watch jonah hills nacked ass on screen during the wolf of wall street so yes sometimes we are forced to see things we'd rather not see. but that doesn't mean only conventionally attractive people are allowed to dress howeveer they want.
Why can't you accept logical answers to your already-asked questions?
Her *ability* to be fat and unhealthy and shake her gross ass on TV is not at issue. "She can" is not a logical defense of illogical behavior. Like... what?
my rhetorical question were a response to your assumption that she musst be lied to when someone tells her she is beautiful. She doesn't expect people to be into her. She is just living her live how she wants to live it. Did she ever say men should be attracted to her? And no one should expect someone to be attracted to them. No one is entitled to sex or sexual attraction. But Lizzo never even hinted that she expects that.
Um... yes, she does expect people to be into her. Apparently you don't... know who this person is that we're talking about. Lizzo in and of herself isn't the point, either-- she is merely one example of what we're talking about here, and is just the loudest, most recent example. For YEARS fat female celebrities have led other fat female non-celebrities astray with lies of "just love yourself, there's nothing wrong with you." My God, someone does not need to *explicitly say* something in order for it to be implied. Are you serious right now? If someone dresses in a thong and shakes their ass on live TV, *they want attention and are drawing attention to their body as something that should be seen as sexy.* They do not need to LITERALLY SAY "hey guys, pay attention to me I'm so sexy and hey girls, you should get fat like me because fat is beautiful." Fucking hell. Are you joking?
So in other words your whole point is based on assumptions about her and not actual facts. I'm sure there are women out there that expect men to be into them no matter how they look. Just like there are men who expect the same. But saying Lizzo or any other fat female celebrity expects men to be into her kis simply an assumption. But I agree with the attention part. But basically anyone posting a picture of themself online does it for attention. Otherwise they could've just keept it on their phone for themselves. And yes it's completly fine for her to think she is sexy. Is she supposed to dress in a potat. o sack cause she is fat? there's something called freedom of choice that most people value very much
... No, it isn't "an assumption," you apparently aren't aware of what the term "implication" is; I suggest a dictionary. You're clearly beyond saving, here. I'm wasting my time.
Firstly she a black woman so she automatically ugly loud and mean and fat. She just a fat girl overcompensating because nobody gave her attention n before and now people praised her a little bit so she ran with it
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There's already way too many people on earth. We should all promote obesity. Maybe in 30 years there won't be as much traffic.
I don't know what you're talking about, and I don't care that you disagree with me, "lmao." You're wrong. You disagreeing with me has nothing to do with it.
Like we discussed earlier, fat is attractive, factually. Disagreement with a fact shows a lack of intelligence. I know you just posted that update to get feisty with people again, but it's something you'll always be wrong about regardless. Lmao.
Ad hominem essentially is attacking character instead of substance in an attempt to make yourself look smarter. The substance of course is a fact, so you can't argue it, so you went with a weak insult. It didn't work.
Where are your emojis? Your word usage lacks. Please, emojis. And no, it isn't; anonymity and all that.
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