+1 yTitle contains "spank". Read further and find "beaten". Do you people even can differentiate between the two?
I've been spanked and I know that when in happened, I deserved it.
How would you briefly explain to a 3yr old eg. that running across the street and risking getting hit by a truck isn't a very good idea when parents call the kid? Especially when it happens for n-th time in a row and talking to the kid changes nothing in the behaviour.
That's quite different from beating the kid for no reason whatsoever or beating the kid instead of spanking when a young one truly deserved it.
Anyway, it should be used as a last resort. It has to have that weight to it, so a child would identify and grade the levels of "wrong" it has committed. If you spank a kid every damn time, it won't have any deeper meaning than causing pain. Not wanting to eat cereal isn't spank-worthy but trying to test a space shuttle by jumping out of balcony in an Amazon cardboard box certainly is.65 Reply- +1 y
This.
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100% agree with you, I think the asker worded this wrong using words like beat and do you want to spank your kids. No one should want to spank your kids it's a last resort.
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When you see those kids disrespecting their parents you know they never got a good whoopin.
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 ySpanking doesn't resolve a problem. It just puts fear into a kid and shows that problems are solved with violence. Wouldn't you be pissed if you fought with your sister only to have it never resolved and a parent spanking you and her for causing a scene?
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Opinion Owner+1 yYou may grow to resent your sister later in life and possibly your parent for never resolving it and ignoring the real problem.
Opinion Owner+1 yParents should arbitrate and settlte things fairly rather than just telling the kids to shut up or take it elsewhere with the threat of getting spanked with a belt. My younger brother still resents me for taking advantage of him when we were both younger.
The only reason we think it’s ok is because it was done to us. It’s not ok. The only time I think it’s except able would be in extreme cases. Like a small child runs out in the street after you told them no. Or, if an older child ran away from home. Stealing and lying would also count. But, I would reserve these extreme measures for extreme cases where you are really trying to drive the point across. It would only be done with a hand to the butt. Otherwise, absolutely not!!! To spank a child for everything they did wrong. Or, to use a belt or any other thing. In my eyes would be child abuse.
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Yes, I agree with you. Over use of spanking leads to it being "just part of life", and then it becomes inefective. That is why serial spankers should realise that, in the end, their strategy fails. Kids will continue to misbehave even if they get a spanking.
It is like trying to cure an illness that, with suitable thought, could have been prevented in the first place.
609 opinions shared on Family & Friends topic. I think every child is different, and what works for one won't necessarily work for all. Personally I was spanked as a child and it didn't help; it only taught me not to get caught, rather than teaching right from wrong.
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+1 ySpanking was just one type of discipline for us, usually for really severe things like stealing or cheating in school.
Its an amazing form of discipline.
No marks, no bruises, and you felt the physical manifestation of the consequences of your actions.
Spanking is very natural, as its akin to animal parents nipping their children.
The nips are hard enough that the cub yelps, but doesn't break skin or anything abusive lol
Its also domineering, and reminds cubs, teens of pack hierarchy.
Likewise, your parents spanking you reminded you of who was really in charge, and to not be a brat and cross them.
Notice how when teens get passed spank age, they challenge their parents more. A lot of parents, dads usually, will knock the shit out of their teens if necessary.
I've seen 16yr old boys push their moms and get DE-STROOOYED by their fathers.
Yeah, never pushed mom again, never talk to shit to dad again, and now laugh about it with their other friends who also thought dumb enough to provoke their parents.
Whats hilarious, is that my non spanked friends have more issues with depression because their soft parents never taught them the life skills necessary, to cope with pain and hardness in life. Because it was hugs and kisses or telling their parents to shut up and fuck off, that they developed a spoiled, entitled complex.
They actually say, "I wish my parents would have been more firm and spanked me. I can't handle anything now like you guys (us old school kids,) can."
Thats just sad.
You dont have to spank, but be a strong, firm ass parent when necessary at least.
These babied kids can't keep jobs, complain all the time, I've seen one even beat up in the hallway at my college because her parents never made her clean anything.
She was really dirty so her dorm mate started throwing all her trash and stuff out the room lol.
The dirty girl got pissed and tried to physically stop the other girl and got DE-STROOOYED in that hall way.
The girl throwing out her stuff was spanked as a child.
Parents lol, dont set your kids up to be thrashed in a college hallway.40 Reply
+1 yI was spanked when I was a child. Honestly it served a purpose, it was a good way of tying in punishment with bad behaviour. The big thing to avoid is abuse. Punishment without establishing a reason just causes pain and fear and makes them tie in the pain and fear to the parent, not the reason why they're getting punished. You need to take a moment to sit down and make sure the child understands instead of just punishing out of anger, it needs to be done specifically as a lesson, with no ill intentions and not too much anger, what I'm trying to say is that punishment needs to come from a place of reason, not personal feelings. I grew to reject spankings though, mostly from looking at training animals. Caeser Millan plays a really big part in this, I think this quote I just pulled from his website will help; "In behavioral science, though, “punishment” just means anything that decreases the preceding behavior. For example, say your spouse likes to flip through the channels on the TV but hates country music. If you put on country music when the channel flipping starts and it causes the behavior to diminish, then you’ve just punished your spouse". My stance is that punishment can be achieved without the spanking, and the spanking brings unnecessary baggage like instilling fear. If you have a better option, one that gets the same effect with less chance of problems, why use spankings? The most important part is making sure the child understands why they're being punished, rather than the severity of the punishment itself. Infact, as that description of punishment should make evident, you can punish with just a conversation. You can often talk to your child in a normal tone and make them understand something they did or said was wrong without resorting to punishment, understanding and empathy are great tools, and children have them too, lets build those tools up instead of resorting to instilling fear in the hope that the fear will prevent bad behaviour, even fear of hell doesn't prevent sinner so clearly it doesn't work.
20 ReplyI was spanked as a child... the only harm it ever did me was to make me believe there's absolutely nothing wrong with spanking your child IF emphasis on IF it's done properly. There are conditions that must be met for spanking to be a good thing.
1. Always make the reason clear. Spanking should never be merely out of frustration. The child MUST understand spanking as a consequence of their actions. They ought to be told and/or they must be able to show that they understand WHY they are being spanked. If a kid doesn't understand the why it will feel abusive.
2. You must show yourself to be the authority. You have the right to spank your child as a disciplinary action because YOU are the authority. They don't have that authority and thus they don't have any right to spank or hit other people. People say spanking simply teaches kids violence, but kids are smarter than that. To some extent you can argue that "monkey see, monkey do." But kids are smarter than we give them credit for. Spanking a kid because they spanked another kid out of anger or some other wrong motive teaches them that it's not okay for them to it use or resort to violence.
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3. Love your child. If you're going to spank your kids spank them because you want to teach them. You want them to grow in maturity and self-control and make ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that they KNOW you love them. Be the kind of parent that anyone can see would die to save their children. If this condition is met the others will, generally speaking, fall into place. Likewise if you ALWAYS show your motive to be love no kid is going to learn to hit others out of anger.
I know many will argue or disagree with me, but again... I was spanked as a child. It hurt, but I never thought it was okay to hurt others. I never felt unloved, and I learned self-control. I learned that my actions had consequences and I learned to think about what those consequences would be BEFORE taking action. These are all skills and traits I am beyond grateful to have. If my parents hadn't loved me I could have turned out horribly which is why emphasizing the REASON behind any given spanking is SO important as a parent. I will spank my kids because I believe that I never would have learned if my parents hadn't spanked me. I want to teach my kids well. I refuse to leave them to their own devices and their own folly. I will raise them to be wise and nothing anyone can say will stop me.10 Reply
+1 yI’m pro-spank within reason. I don’t think spanking should be excessively done, but if a kid is really acting up, a slight hit on the behind generally corrects the behavior.
Thinking back to when I was a child, I was honestly a conniving and mischievous brat. I always sought to figure out where the boundaries were of how far I could push my parents before they’d snap. If I didn’t get spanked as a child, I would hypothesize that I would be waaay worse now. Standing in a corner didn’t bother me. I would just think of a story or imagine something interesting to keep myself entertained. If something got taken away from me as a punishment, I’d shrug it off and just figure out a game with something else.
I think it was also a good thing that my parents (well, my dad) would tell me that they didn’t enjoy spanking. They didn’t want to spank me, but they said “every action has a consequence.” The important part about the spanking is not necessarily the spanking itself/the pain, but rather the reinforcement on the message with the spanking. They’d be clear in why they spanked me. Communication is VITAL, even with small children.
Another thing about spanking is that the pain helps you retain the memory. I can vividly remember plenty of times I got spanked, and I can generally remember the reasons why (i. e. pelting my sister with a controller at mach 5, learning that hitting my sister in the middle of the back gave the most satisfying thud, learning that the other controller had a solid spin when pelting my sister with it). Meanwhile, I can remember standing in the corner as punishment some times, but I have no idea why.
I think spanking is bad when it seems like it’s spanking for no reason. The kid needs to hear why he is getting spanked and the spanking needs to serve a purpose. It should be done sparingly— when the kid does something pretty bad and clearly intentional. In other words, spanking should be rare, as to avoid habituation. Likewise, spanking should be enough to make the kid remember the pain, but not enough to seriously injure. I’ve gotten hit with the belt once, but I think that may be pushing it.00 Reply
+1 yPeople with low IQ and low intelligence resort to spanking and smacking and other forms of abuse. I was smacked and spanked as a kid and my parents are not very intelligent, did not know how to parent and have no respect for children (treated us like objects). I have been on the wrong end of punishment for things that were not even my fault, i hate my parents, they have no empathy or respect. I never misbehaved, but i would get smacked for their inability to trust anyone outside. They held beliefs that we have to live like aliens in the community they lived in whilst others lived openly and respectfully with each other and wanted to treat us the same way. Instead my parents acted like people are out to get us and outside is dirty.
How i'd treat my own kids, respectfully, id explain why something that they did is wrong, entertain compromise, reward good behaviour, allow them to make mistakes and learn from their own mistakes and about consequences, id allow them to create their own rules and their idea of punishment. Simply hitting them or abusing them is child cruelty and is lazy parenting, the ones who do this are lower class backgrounds like i said have very little brain cells, they are forcing their kids to live in fear and the result, they will leave and you will be remembered as a monster.22 Reply- +1 y
ya I find that to be true... its rare that I've met parents that are well educated that hit their kids...
its usually frustrated parents that are not able to formulate a response to the Childs behaviour that tend to resort to hitting... because they don't really know what else to do
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@TripleAce i am so glad that you acknowledge intelligence being a factor. Also I've missed another key thing aswell, both parents need to be onboard, I've seen a little girl with mental instability and dependancy, can hardly speak 4yrs old.. because her mother is a workaholic (long hours) and her father doesn't have a job.. yes you can imagine the arguments that little girl had to listen to and also missing her mum. The mum told me that she came home one day and her girl shouted at her for not being there EVER. She'd arrive home every day after the girl went to sleep. So sad.. and now she's pregnant again, the mother also wanted to cheat on her partner with me, i rejected her and swiftly moved away. My niece is 2yrs old and can speak fluent English, her parents are doctors, she's never disobediant and is a very happy girl.
+1 yIts illegal now. Its not a trend its the law.
But hell yes my kids are getting smacked if they cross the line too far.
Kids learn to deal with having their toys taken away or going without sweets. They dont like it but it stops being an effective punishment if its used too often and for every offense.
If my kids bitten another kid im not going to tell him no dessert, im gonna bite him, both as punishment and a learning thing that being bitten really fucking hurts.
The punishment should always fit the crime. And being told "im dissapointed" is not a good match for a kid that just threw a tantrum in the supermarket.
Dont laugh if they swear and know what theyre saying, tell them off.
Dont let it go when they throw their toys, take the toys away until they learn to respect their things.
If they hit their brother, hit them back so they know how it feels. (Obviously if thats not effective place them in timeout instead. But use timeout correctly)
If nothing you're doing is stopping the nasty behaviour, the next time you catch them in the act give them a nice whoop on the bum and warn them not to do it again.
This all coming from a non parent, but a sibling whos witnessed the difference between growing up being smacked for every little thing, and watching her siblings grow up with no discipline at all.34 Reply- +1 y
errrr their bad behaviour is a direct reflection of their adult around them and upbringing. If you're having to make an entire list in preparation, then i think you've realised you will be setting bad examples that they will see. I dont think you have empathy or any idea how to reason with a child. I feel sorry for your children.
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Not making a list for me, just over explaining myself.
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i know you're not, you will one day and you have decided you will just mirror what they did like they did it maliciously so deserve it. Don't you think thats cruel? Putting down a child like that i believe is child abuse. Children dont know why they do things a lot of the time, their decision making is poor, its a learning curve, a bad parent will not teach them sufficiently to minimise trouble, a good parent will. I've met a lot of parents in my life, the worst kids are from parents who are lazy, with mental illness, a bit thick, poor backgrounds, shout at their kids. Good kids have parents who are soft on the voice, communicate really well, are very intelligent and have good backgrounds. If you abuse your children, you will damage them mentally and they will hate you.
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Yeah, I disagree with you. Hitting them back for hitting? That's just fighting fire with fire. There's a time and purpose for everything. If you swat them open handed on the bottom for misbehaving every once in while, that's not a big deal. But you can't teach one action with a duplicate action.
For those who have been spanked, I know spanking may not have traumatized some of them, but spanking is not for everyone. As a kid, I wasn't spanked, but I was yelled at a lot and my grandmother once carried a butcher knife around angrily before which scared me. In my eyes, this can be similar to spanking. A tool that CAN be used to instill fear. I think talking to kids and helping them understand why they shouldn't do things should be the answer, and a pat on the butt (spanking) should be a very last resort. I was yelled at for things I didnt't understand like turning on a dish washer. I was even yelled at and threatened by my father who said he would cut my hands off with a butcher knife if my brother and I didn't stop arguing over something minor like who was going to type the email into the box on the computer. I still hold this against him to this day about how he parented me. Of course, I did take his threats seriously, and I thought why would a parent want to do that to his kid? He probably wasn't serious, but I took it seriously and I was scared. Instead of talking this out, he decided to instill fear instead of making compromise between me and my brother. Same goes for my mother and her methods of "parenting". I know that people will think that because I haven't been spanked before that I wouldn't understand it. To this day, I can image that if I did, I would still hate my parents because they punish for minor things that to this day, I would say are not reasonable. I wish people talked more to their kids instead of instilling fear with violence in their kids. I realize to this day that now I'm the one abusing my parents. Yelling at them for being controlling. For everything they do that is wrong. I think I have anger issues against them now that I think about it. I yell a lot at them for stupid things they do. I honestly did not learn anything when they yelled at me. I wasn't stupid. I just didn't understand, and nobody explained it to me.
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A tool isn't always effective though. My stepmother threatened us with a wooden spoon. Because she already smacked us we believed wholeheartedly that she could and would use it.
My sister has never been smacked in her life. My stepmother threatens her with the spoon and nothing. She broke the spoon hitting the bench with it (very easily frustrated women but I've never seen her break something) and still my sister just giggled while my brother and i were shaking.
Threats can be effective. But only if your kid respects you or fears you. If youve got neither, they won't do shit. - +1 y
@BaileyisDarcy Uh, I don't know if you understand the point of the whole opinion I wrote, but it's to say that hitting can instill fear. Of course, who wouldn't be afraid if you saw someone looking at you as if they wanted to kill you unless you happen to laugh at the face of danger.
Action and consequence. That is how I was raised. Granted, I was a good kid and spankings we're rare.
What I remember about it was that when I did something worthy of a spanking, my dad did it best. Mom was just an angry spanker, and she was so light it didn't matter much. Dad did it the right way. It was almost transactional. I did something to warrant a spanking. Dad asks me if I know why I am getting a spanking. This can go two ways, chances are I knew exactly why I was getting a spanking. That established, the prescribed number of swats with a paint stir stick (not the 1 gallon ones, the 2 foot ones) was administered. It didn't matter if I cried or not, didn't matter if it really hurt or not. X crime warranted X swats. When that was done, he would ask if I wanted a hug, and most times I did. I knew my dad loved me, I knew I had done something wrong. I had paid the price, and my dad was there after to comfort me.
Yeah, spank your kids, when it is warranted, not out of anger or frustration, but as a method of correction.10 ReplyIt really depends on what you define as spanking? Some call 'spanking' a beating with a belt, and I think that is wrong, in EVERY WAY!!
Some women I know were spanked as girls, and on their bare bottom, usually by their father, and I am really thinking that is a little too much, to personal, and maybe psychologically damaging.
I rarely got spanked, but several times my mother slapped me, when I said something she didn't like, or thought was disrespectful. My dad seldom did anything but smack the back of my head, when I did something stupid, just saying "Think smarter!" He was beaten with his father's belt, growing up, so I guess he figured out that it wasn't right.
I know some couples, and they spank their children, but only when they don't listen, and then do something that could really hurt them, or kill them. But they way they explain it, is that they spank, but then tell the child that they are not 'bad' but they did a 'bad' thing, and they always end with a hug.
Not sure what to think about that, from a child's perspective. Maybe mixed messages?10 Reply
+1 yI put I was spanked but don't want to spank my kids.
I'm not saying I wouldn't... because some kids do need it... and deserve it. But who the fuck wants a kid that needs it and deserves it?
The kids that do end up needing and deserving it usually have a certain parent that's enabling or unknowingly teaching/training the behavior. I for instance had a stepchild who would become the perfect kid throughout the week... it takes just one weekend at Dad's house to spoil the child again. Imagine moving in with my Mother-in-law's... where any control over the child was removed and that child had my Mother-in-law giving him bowls of marshmallows, did his homework for him, and constantly pandered to his every desire. That phase had him trying to scratch my wife's face and he punched me right in the nose. ... Once we moved out of that situation, it took a decent amount of time and the ability to punish the child back to undo the behavior... which would've never come to pass if his Mother and I were the only adult influences to begin with.
That was more long winded that I hoped for it to be. In short, a child isn't going to need a spanking as long as the adults are getting it right from the start.00 Reply
+1 yNo, it is never okay. I would never hit or spank a child. I wouldn't even call them any negative names or say anything negative about them. I believe it is wrong and will negatively influence them. I believe in positive reinforcement where they get a gift or some type of reward for behaving well and maybe a punishment like no "free gift this week" or "no candy" or "no television" or "no phone for a week" or taking away a favorite toy for a few days.
I consider any type of physical, verbal, or emotional negativity harmful for a child. My parents hit me and my dad was and is verbally abusive and I can honestly say I really dislike my parents and I HATE my dad. I do not like almost anyone in my family anymore. I will cut them all out of my life. When I have a family of my own, I will be the best parent I can be and be the type of parent I wish I had, and I will do everything I can so my children will have genuine love for me. Any type of abuse, and physical like spanking/hitting or verbal (insults/put-downs) will only cause hate and anger to develop over time. Positive Reinforcement techniques are healthier and more effective than Negative Reinforcement techniques which are harmful.00 Reply
+1 yLegend says the eyes of the parents can be a powerful non violent weapon one look is powerful enough to send a message to your kid that the Emp of such devastating pressure is powerful enough to shut down your kid's bodily fuctions rendering them to give themselves a timeout with a side of nap. I tried challenging the looks so I would make a face to make myself feel better but that was a bad idea so I started getting a bonus called the police slap that thing hurts like hell. From then I did everything in my power to avoid both attacks and be a good a boy ever since. Normally spanking kids would do wonders but overtime the kids would become violent but in my case I did not like the slap or the looks they were quite memorable enough that I will train my looks so my kid knows what's up. The looks made me grew up non violent and I am proud or else I would have grew up a douchebag or worse. Sure I do not get the looks anymore but I am too old to be violent and instead I play games to distract me from my anger and in couple hours I am totally fine unless you tell me afterwards I was angry and why I did not overeact. Please use the eye it will help in the long run and no spanking or you will end up having a psychopath
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Starts from a young age ofcourse they will give zero fucks if they are teens but discipline starts at a young age and they will grow up very fine
Anonymous(25-29)+1 yWhe I was a kid I always did some mistakes and I act so stupid. I got spanked a lot of times and I think Im a mature person because of that. And no. Its not a tragedy. But most kids won't understand if you yell at them or explain they do it wrong. So yup. Ill spank the hell out of my kids to make sure they succedd in life. Now. This new generation ( 2002+) are getting worse and worse. So many girls gets boyfriends at 10 years, at 12 they already are showing their body on social media for attention. This is because the paresnt didn't put that much effort to control their kids actions and to make sure they develop into a healthy and smart human. Instead. They get Ipads , And phones since they get born and all it gets worse and worse. For example my brother is 2 years younger than me , but he spend more time on his phone and texting than me. After that. My sister is 13 and she doesn't want to go to highschool because its "stupid" and spend 24/7 on facebook or insta or taking pics , she doesn't talk to other people or things like that. why? Because my mom gave her all she wanted and never said no , she even gets her homework done by my aunt. after that. my little cousin , she is 4 , but she stays at 6 pm until 8 pm on a Ipad. But because she lives with me , I check her and make sure she is watching "Johnny Johnny" or Scooby Doo and someting educational. Thid is the diffrence. , My sister is a huge spoiled brat that cries or do a scene if someone checks her phone. While my little cousin can use her I pad , but just two hours a day , in rest , I teach her to paint or take her at my dates (she really likes my boyfriend and call him Brother , and he is not annoyed of her and we go at pizza or at a park together)
itd not that about being spanked. its about how you raise them. But Ill only dpank my kids when they did something very bad or if their misbehave.23 Reply- +1 y
Alright, honestly I skimmed a lot of your argument as you seemed to go off on a rant about the current generation and I lost interest.
You say the reason children act out is the parents not enacting enough control, but control isn't really the answer. Children with very controlling parents tend to rebel more because they often feel misunderstood and uncared for. Some control is important, but if you don't give your child room to grow and let them choose that they want to be the way you raised them to be, then they will just resent you for taking their choice away from them.
Onto the spanking argument, I agree spanking is no tragedy. Spanking usually includes a chance for the child to understand why the punishment is happening. Thats the most important part of behavioural punishment in my opinion, understanding. - +1 y
Increasing the severity of the punishment doesn't teach anything but fear and resentment. Increasing the understanding of why does teach more. I learned this from experience, getting punched in the stomach at 8 years old with no explanation teaches nothing. Thus if the important part is the understanding then we can take out the pain entirely and use understanding as a teacher. Another good example of this argument that fear doesn't change behaviour just makes you hide the behaviour, even people who fear hell sin.
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You sound like a great cousin/sister.
My fear with physical punishment in general is that, if parents make a habit out of it, there's a chance that they'll use it unnecessarily or to make a show of power rather than for legitimate reasons. Also, I know for me, personally, maybe when I think back on it, it might not seem like it traumatised me, but when I give it more than a minute of thought, I'm now terrified of messing up or making mistakes in any kind of environment because I associate mistakes with fear and physical pain. In some environments this can be good and useful. But if you work in fields like art or science, fear of mistakes leads to a fear of taking chances, which will keep you from learning from mistakes you could make. And if I look all the way back in my life to figure out when this started, I can only come to the conclusion that it started when I started getting spanked by my parents at an early age. Now, maybe I'm a rarity, but if you feel the same stuff as I'm taking about now, maybe you should give a little more thought to parents physically punishing kids
00 ReplyIt's abuse. It doesn't work. It only creates resentment and will make your kids never go to you or tell you anything. If they're not old enough to understand words they won't know why you're hitting them and if they're old enough to understand words, use words. Explaining why what they did wrong and giving them a punishment suitable to the scale of the crime will make your kid so much more mentally stable in the long run.
If you can't teach your children in any way other than beating the shit out of them you shouldn't have them.52 Reply
+1 yI was spanked growing up, but I was hardly ever spanked because I was just a naturally good kid. My parents also stopped spanking pretty early when they found out the existence of DCF. Spanking didn't do really anything in terms of discipline, it just instilled fear and spite in my parents, especially my father. Fathers really have no business hitting their children, especially their daughters. It is a very terrifying thing for a young girl to go through and is a very easy way to severe the relationship. Often times, a daughter's father is the first meaningful relationship a young girl has with any man and this relationship can drastically influence her outlook on men in general. Mothers have no business hitting their children either, for similar reasons I stated above. Learn different parenting techniques.
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But it's ok for moms to hit their kids? You only made the dads sound like the bad ones and that moms we're ok to. My mom beat the hell out of my ass for no reason and my dad never touched me unless I really deserved it. I respect him and that lesson. My mom can rot in hell, but I understand the right time to apply spanking as a discipline and how it needs to be done.
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Did you read the entirety of my answer? I wrote, "Mothers have no business hitting their children for similar reason stated above". I just didn't feel the need to basically repeat what I wrote previously. When mothers don't model what a healthy and loving relationship between a mother and daughter should look like, it can drastically effect how they in turn raise their children. They have no idea how to be a good mother because they don't what a good mother looks and have never experienced it. Same goes for when a mother hits her sons. I'm sorry for what happened with your mother.
Resorting to physical measures such as spanking to discipline is never the right choice. The child's brain is not yet fully developed to understand and correlate as to why he/she is getting hit. Inflicting pain on a child will only teach them to fear you. There are much more better options to get the message across to the child, options that aren't so violent/aggressive
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yI just don't see how spanking your child does anything than scare them. I was spanked as a child and now my relationship with my parents is almost bon existent. Spanking didn't teach me anything expect to hide from my parents. I once got my fingers stuck in a closet door and instead of calling for help I just sat there in pain because I was afraid of getting hit, my fingers swelled so bad that the door had to be broken apart around me.
I understand if my kid is gonna touch a hot stove, smack their hand away and explain why. If they dont listen, then experience will teach them. I'd rather my child experience minor failures or injuries rather than shelter themsleves because theyre afraid of me.52 Reply- +1 y
So you would let them stick their hand on a hot stove? To learn right? But like... Would you let them stick a fork in a socket? These are dangerous things that can potentially kill your kid. You shouldn't let them learn those things by experience. You don't have to spank them, but please don't let them stick their hand on a hot stove.
Opinion Owner+1 y@Onionmustache having a band aid on for week because they burned their hand is fine. Obviously if my child is about to die im gonna yank them away. Im not gonna bubble wrap my child but im not gonna hit my kid either.
I was spanked, when it was deserved. As a kid the lat thing you want is to be spanked, hence thinking about the repercussions of your actions was a good deterrent. But there is a difference between spanking and abuse. The 'experts' seem to not understand how valuable and effective spankings can be, and lump spankings in with abuse. Most kids today that are not spanked, instead received verbal warnings and such, which parents rarely follow through on. And if they do, the kids just laugh at it. So not effective in teaching any lessons.
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spanking is abuse.
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@jacquesvol - it can be if not applied properly. all kids respond to different types of punishment. not all spanking is abuse. but again, it depends on how it is applied.
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No excuses
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u +1 yI was spanked a few times as a child, learned to be obedient so I was not spanked very often, but I have never had children.
Liberalism has a goal of everyone being free to do whatever they want to do without suffering any consequences, so punishment is contrary to their beliefs. Also, many liberal parents want to be their child's "best friend" so they don't want to do anything that would make the child relate to them as an authority figure. I think that attitude represents an abdication of parental responsibility.110 Reply- +1 y
I think you've misunderstood liberals. They're not against teaching children the difference between right and wrong or that consequences exists. Some people are just skeptical to teaching children that violence and inflicting pain on someone is okay. What do a parent learn the child when they hits them? That hitting is okay.
The so called "liberal parents" teach the children what's right or wrong telling them why it's it, tell them to reflect (time out) and if the child don't behave and have to be punished, they rather hide the play station or something like that. Children don't like to be told that they've to play outside and that they doesn't get their video games back before later, so you can't claim liberal parents are always the child's best friends and never parenting them. Some parents don't believe in violence and that's okay. - +1 y
@curiousnorway " you can't claim liberal parents are always the child's best friends" I didn't make that claim.
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I spank my kids and agree with you on the lack of discipline when you try to be your child's best bud. There is a difference though between a buddy and a friend. The former leads to blurring boundaries, the latter you can still pair with being an authority. I don't think they're mutually exclusive.
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@cherryphi82 In theory, you could be your child's parent and friend, but the way I see that practiced, the parents let their kids run around screaming and throwing tantrums in restaurants because they don't want to stifle the child's creativity or some other nonsense excuse.
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Well that's not what I'm talking about..
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@cherryphi82 I didn't think that you were praising or condoning such parenting.
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Pew... lol
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Anyway, it's ways to teach the children to behave without using violence. Even I, a person who's not a child lover knows that violence isn't a good idea - while some children lovers may not realize it.
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@curiousnorway You sound like you think you are right and everyone who disagrees with you is obviously wrong. This is a matter of opinion. Being convinced that you are right does not mean that everyone else is wrong.
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I'm just writing what's on my mind and what my opinion is.
+1 yLet's replace the word "spank", with what it really is...
Do I think it is okay to cause intentional physical harm to your children? No, whether or not it causes any permanent physical or emotional damage. It is simply unethical in and of itself. Period.
No, I have never been spanked. I was raised in a somewhat "traditional" household, in which I probably would have been spanked if there was ever a reason to. But there wasn't. I happened to think that the rules I grew up with were fair and reasonable, and I was given enough freedom to be satisfied for the time being--so I never broke them.
No, I would not spank my kids. Granted, I don't want kids, but even if I did, I wouldn't spank them.00 Reply
+1 yI was spanked and I believe with some kids spanking is the only thing that works. I never had to spank my son as time outs worked for him. But my daughter is a different story. Nothing worked except spanking her but. And trust me I tried time outs, reward jars, etc... If i put her in her room with a baby gate to make her stay, she kicked it out. If I shut the door, she put holes in the walls and broke the door. Screaming the whole time. She was one out of control little girl and spanking her was the only thing that got her attention and made her stop her fit. I use to think spanking was unnecessary because like I said my son responded to time outs. So I thought every kid was that easy. Boy was I wrong. And now my daughters behavior is under control where time out work. Every kid is different.
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Your daughter kinda sounds like a psychopath
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This is exactly the type of long l situation I think is suitable for a spanking. People don't think about spanking as corrective, only as abusive.
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Not long...*
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@Raymond_Reddington. She was like a psychopath. Thank God spanking her to correct her behavior worked. Because nothing else did. Just goes to show you how kids are very different. And we haven't had to spank her for a few years now. I seriously started having panic attacks because there was no peace in our home with her. She had this fascination with anything liquid so if you gave her cereal she'd pour it out on the table to play with it.
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She would sneak the dish soap or hand soap and pour it on her TV, table, or anywhere she could run her fingers through it. If she didn't have those things she would pour her juice. It scared me with her TV because a liquid could make it explode. She couldn't be out of your sight or she would sneak something. I had our home locked up with safety locks but someone would come over and she would see hand sanitizer in their purse she'd take. She is way to smart for her own good but didn't think about the consequences or how she was making everyone on edge. Now she's smart, super compassionate, doesn't want to let you down, we just need to be stern with her if she's doing something. She does seem to lack impulse control which is why we are having her tested. But life is peaceful again and that's because when all else failed we spanked her. The shock of it allowed her brain to stop and listen. And the short pain was enough for her to think about the consequences.
+1 yIn my country the child protective services would take your children from you and the court would either heavily fine you, send you to prison or ban you from meeting your children if you spank them. Even if you're ghosting them this might happen. It's because of physically and mentally abusing children makes the child more likely to get trauma and mental disorders. While not every children gets equal scarred, it's still way more that gets negative effects than children that gets treated with respect.
I do support that law because learning children that violence toward people who are weaker than them is okay makes a toxic society. Violence creates more violence. It's ways to learn a child what's right and wrong telling them it in a constructive way and respect without inflicting pain or any forms of abuse. If a child hit someone, you should tell them that's not okay because it's hurting someone and they can feel pain like the child himself.
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yI was spanked once or twice, and I don't want kids but I disagree with it in general (one of the reasons I don't want kids is I think I'd be an abusive parent :/ )
It just doesn't work as a way of modifying behaviour. It causes the kid to fear their parent which is never going to make for a healthy relationship. It teaches the kid to avoid getting caught doing whatever they were doing, rather than getting them to understand the actual reasons they shouldn't do it. And it teaches them that might makes right; that hurting others= power. All fucked up results.30 ReplyAny form of punishment you give to a kid can bring spite or cause damage so research says. I feared my father's belt till about 12 to 13 as he wasn't going to hit me harder than he should. Spanking is a healthy way to discipline a child. However, it is not meant for every situation. Some situations require explanation of why you can't cuss. Thus my mouth was washed with a bar of soap. (It works) most generations before ours have used this method and it works. The reason you spank on the butt is because it is a meaty area of your body that DOES NOT cause permanent damage unless you are excessively abusing. Hitting in the face or torso is not a spank. Learning is the goal in punishment, it's why it was invented.
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I'll argue with you here, not on the meaning, just on definitions. Punishment isn't bad, using pain and fear as punishment is bad. For context of how I define punishment; "In behavioral science, though, “punishment” just means anything that decreases the preceding behavior. For example, say your spouse likes to flip through the channels on the TV but hates country music. If you put on country music when the channel flipping starts and it causes the behavior to diminish, then you’ve just punished your spouse", it's actually from Caeser Millan's webpage, honestly I think the way he teaches punishment can be applied to more than just dogs. I agree heavily that learning is the goal of punishment, but not that any form of punishment can cause damage. Punishment can be purely good when applied correctly.
+1 yI've been smacked on the face, but not spanked.
And 97% of the time, it was always them (mainly my mom) accusing me of anything and everything, so I basically didn't deserve it.
I don't know if I am traumatized by the smacking itself; I think I am traumatized because I got smacked for almost nothing.
Even today whenever I say something that's off she will immediately start screaming and bitching at the top of her lungs about how nothing she does makes her happy, how I don't care or love her, blah blah blah. It's all an attempt to make me feel like shit. Make a small child feel bad about something he didn't even do or intend to do or even know what to do and then continue to make him feel bad 10, 11 years later.
That's fucking smart you fat lazy bitch00 ReplyI was spanked a lot as a kid. My dad did it for the shock factor and not to cause pain, whereas my mom did it with the intention of causing pain by using my dads leather belts. (I don’t think she realized that at the time, and she still denies it to this day). I would spank my kids the way my dad spanked me, but not the way my mom did. You should never intentionally harm your child.
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@Valiant preach! It's almost eery how your parents are EXACTLY the same as mine when it comes to this stuff. My mom and dad approach the issue differently in the exact same way. Have you spoken to your mom to let her know the impact of her way of disciplining on you whe you were growing up? My mom still spanks my younger sis (who's 7) and I've always wanted to make sure she understands how I feel before she makes any similar mistakes with my sister. Actually can you PM me? Would be useful to get your advice on this..
+1 yRegarding spanking kids as "not right" means that dogs are better trained than our own children. Dogs are trained using a reward-punish system... in which if he does what you said right, you reward him (mostly by food), and if the dog does not do what you said, or did it in a wrong way, you punish him (by hitting him slightly or by not giving him food, etc..). Your kids, on the other hand, are not punished for what they do wrong and are rewarded for what they do right, so how will they distinguish the right from the wrong?
20 ReplyNope, physically harming children traumatizes them for life, especially if it's done by their own parents, who they're supposed to be able to trust and feel safe with.
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yOk. So growing up to Mexican American parents, they beat us. Lol.
But there were rare occasions because I quickly learned that if i acted out, I’d get a beating. When I was about 7, I threw a fit at Walmart over a toy, my mom took me to the restroom and spanked me.
Never threw a fit in public again.
I always see kids in public misbehaving when they’re old enough to know better (or should know better) and their parents are just on their phone. It’s more the parents fault than the kid, but still. Almost makes me want to spank other people’s kids. Lol30 Reply
+1 yI don't see a point. All spanking does is show children that larger, authority figures can abuse their physical strength over somebody who is weaker than them. Once they get too big to hit, you've already lost out on your ability to actually mentally condition them to understand right or wrong.
40 Reply4.9K opinions shared on Family & Friends topic. if you don't spank your children they have nothing to be held accountable for they can do what they want at any given moment because they have nothing to answer to. They can stay out late at night and come back home late and what are you going to do ground them? They'll just laugh it off and the next thing you know they will just open the door and come out of their room and do what they want stay up all night watch TV walk out of the house then what are you going to do as parents call the cops and say my kids came out of thier room and are staying up late after 3 in the morning watching television and they won't listen to me? If they have to answer to a good spanking the Fear Factor begins and they will not defy you no more. I know this because the spankings were my Fear Factor and I behaved
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There's a lot of ways to punish kids which isn't abusing them...
u +1 yit's not abusing them the spankings. I was spanked and was not abused. What other ways is there to punish a child? There's no other way, they can basically tell you to kiss their ass. If they're not spanked they are not held accountable for anything. All they have to do is walk and smile. And the kid is taking control of the house. Telling a rebelliont 14 year old boy to go to your bedroom is not going to cut it. And if he tells you no then what are you going to do as a parent spank him? That's the answer right there
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Dunno as I live Sweden and it's literally illegal to spank or punish children with violence. I was never spanked but I was still punished. "There's no other way"? Bro my parents took away my freedom and didn't let me be with my friends when that was still a thing when I was younger then they just took anything that I enjoyed like my games when I was around 10 years old and they've taken away my phone several times but last time was when I was like 11 because I have done much stupid shit the last few years. You the parent bought the stuff to the child, no? Then you have the right to take it away from the child so he or she has a shit time and for the child not to shit time they have to behave or they'll continue to have a boring ass time. You just take away the fun... Children get bored easly so they'll give in easly. Even a 14 year old rebellious kid will give after days of just being bored and if they find something else which they enjoy just take that away too...
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I haven't done much stupid shit the last few years*
+1 yI've been spanked as a child and grown to distrust and hate my father because of that. He realized that he was wrong and apologized to me as I was about 20, but I never developed a good relationship with him until he died.
I do not want my own children to mistrust/hate their parents.40 ReplyPretty much what @Shimy said. It was only when something really bad happened. I wasn't beaten by any means. I don't think it's THE go to for everything, but I don't think it's as 'scarring' as everyone makes it out to be if used correctly. Obviously need to exercise other consequences and behavioral tips along with it.
30 ReplyI think beating children will not make them more disciplined, it will just make them hate you. Being hit doesn't have to leave you traumatised, but that's definitely not a reason to spank someone wtf? It still feels awful, especially for a kid who can't defend itself. I was spanked once and that was enough for my parents to never do it again. My dad is still stronger than me but my mom was smart for not doing it again because if she did she could be sure that I would pay back every single hit I had to take.
10 Replyyep. i'll spank my children for sure.
all these people saying "omg it's SCARRING, such psychological issues, much hatred and disdain, critical future issues" and then say they've never been spanked.
lmao OKAY. keep speaking on something you've never experienced. there's a line between abuse and discipline and you people are getting those wires crossed and it's a little annoying.38 Reply- +1 y
Thank you , that's exactly my point.
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Just because you've never experienced it doesn't mean you can't imagine how it would be. Like, my parents aren't smart. I was yelled at for doing something that I didn't understand like turning on a washing machine. Imagine being punished/spanked for doing something that you never understood. Nobody ever told me that this machine is for blah blah blah and you shouldn't turn it on. Spanking just isn't for every child or family. I think it should be used as a last resort after trying to be understanding and talking to your kids.
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@Elaine_17 see, that's not a spanking type thing. a spanking would be for breaking it or some shit.
you all think that spanking happens for the littlest thing (not knowing how to use a washing machine when you've never been taught) when that's not even the case. this is why it's annoying.
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No, it CAN happen for the littlest thing. Jesus. Parents can use it for even the littlest of reasons. It's just a tool that CAN instill fear. You are also ASSUMING that we expect that spanking happens for the littlest thing. No, you have this wrong. Spanking is like a tool. It's like hitting a child with a paddle instead of a hand. Spanking depends on each case in the family. Just because you have been taught that way DOES NOT MEAN that it is for everybody. I don't think you understand the point I'm trying to make.
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Who ever said I'd give them a fucking cookie to them? I'm saying there are OTHER METHODS THAN SPANKING. You still don't seem to understand my point. Why don't you let the intelligent people make decisions instead of your dumb self that seems to not want to acknowledge the fact that there are other methods to spanking, and that spanking is not for everyone. I, at least, acknowledge that it works for SOME CHILDREN, but not all of them, so go get an education.
If you want your kid, to obey you, you should teach your kiddo, to respect you, as a parent but, on the contrast, father's authority in a family is these days, severely questioned, by females, who don't understand why these ideologies still exist. They want to change male dominance in every field, I get it, but it has its own consequences, too. Males, are given a natural, authority, which you females can't change, by dressing or acting like an authority. Well, this is the same thinking which goes in parallel with today's mothers not teaching the family values, of respecting the father.
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Males r not really given a natural authority. It’s just that females didn’t mind taking a backseat in the past. It’s all just social constructs. U don’t have to dress a certain way to act like authority. Children should respect both of the parents.
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Both of the parents can be authorities. It doesn’t have to be a fight for dominance.
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Why should only the father get respected but not the mother? So if the father isn't around and he's busy at work, the mother can't do anything herself?
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I didn't said anything like that @Vesuvius87 You are twisting my words. I had already quoted "both needs to be respected".
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Then both should be in charge of establishing rules, not just the father. Both should work as teammates.
662 opinions shared on Family & Friends topic. In every way possible it has been shown that corporal punishment produces the opposite of the desired effect in children.
71 ReplyMost of people I know today whom were spanked are not enjoyable to talk with, they seems ignorants the way they talk. The normal kid can understand when you tell him what is right and what is wrong, and I think its enough to stop talking to him for a while when he don't listen to you, because he will miss the person who used to answer his all questions especially if he was a talkative kid. And, when you decide to get back talking to him and answering his questions he must know the reason of being not talking to him. Beside that, kids likes surprises and gifts, so you can use it to make them keep the correct behavior. And, always you must tell your kid the reason of every decision you make against him to let him know how he must act next time.
00 ReplySpanking kids is important but it must be in a limit. If parents overdo it, a child will be mentally disturbed & cannot trust them. Same here.
I was beat almost everyday by my father & mother both. There are still marks on my skin. I was really upset & couldn't focus on myself. My parents did this till I was 18.
Academic pressure on me was constant.
So much restrictions were there on me- I was not allowed to play any game whether it is indoor or outdoor.
Now I don't share any of my personal experience with them.
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+1 yI was spanked growing up and every time I know I deserved it. I would get a warning before I was spanked so I knew I was "cruising for a bruising " . Sometimes kids understand a tinge of pain more than any verbal explanation. So yes, I would spank my kids if they deserved it, because I've seen how little brats who don't get spanked turn out.
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If you spank children, you're teaching them that violence and inflicting pain on someone is justifying. That's not a good idea.
It's however okay to let the child go outside without jacket if they refuse wearing it, so they can feel how cold it's. When they feels it, then you can tell them it would be a better idea to wear it and when they realize it, you can give them the jacket so they can put it on. Then you're not inflicting pain on them, but they're choosing to take the consequences themselves. When they're realizing their mistakes, they would learn it until next time. - +1 y
@curiousnorway no I wasn't spanked for anything like not listening to my parents I was spanked when I was genuinely naughty. It's a nice idea, but it wouldn't work for all kids.
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Violence creates more violence. If you're teaching someone violence is okay, then they would believe so. Parents are authorial figures and when they're doing it, the children would believe everyone with authority can use violence toward the weak ones.
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@curiousnorway its not violence it's there to correct their behaviour. That is also not a belief of mine, authoritative figures can't hurt me if they wanted to. My parents used different methods before they resorted to spanking , time-outs , taking a favourite toy away , or letting me deal with the consequences of my actions.. spanking was the only thing that worked.
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@curiousnorway my parents took my books away as punishment. Does that mean i think every boss ill ever have is going to do that? No. So why would a kid then think its okay for an authoritarian figure to hit them just because their parents smack em?
If a kid can tell the difference between a kiss on the lips and a kiss on the cheek, they can tell the difference between "mummy and daddy smack me when im naughty but the teacher puts me in the corner" - +1 y
“Because my mom is bigger and older she has the right to be violent because I made a mistake” that is what they’re being “taught” and that I can’t think critically about my behavior or be given the chance because I’m too busy in pain.
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@hsshannah96 I have never found an 8 year old that thinks like this.
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Do you have any degrees or a college education in Early Childhood Education or child psychology?
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If you do not, it’s not your place to even say these comments.
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@hsshannah96 obviously I do not , but I assume you do? Regardless I was merely giving an opinion, I did not say that a child that thinks in that manner does not exist , I only said that I personally have not found a child like this.
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I have two certificates in the field of early childhood education and I’ve been taking care of children for eight years. All of the scientific research goes against spanking so it’s not a matter of right or wrong or opinions. It’s a matter of the fact that you go against #Science when you smack a child to get them to obey you
There is not one piece of research that discusses anything that is beneficial from smacking a child. There is no research that says this is good whatsoever. For the fact that you would sit in denial and still smack children, I really hope you don’t have any because that’s sick. - +1 y
That doesn’t matter what you found.. anecdotes mean nothing. The science behind it is what really matters.
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@curiousnorway Spanking is what people did in the 1800s. We’re in 2018. Welcome to the 21st-century. We now, thank God, have more modern, more safe and effective methods of teaching children the difference between right and wrong. You choose to be lazy and not use those the right way that makes you a very pathetic person who should not have children.
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@hsshannah96, sadly there's many people who are still spanking their children. Especially in developing countries. Not everyone have come far.
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@curiousnorway It’s never acceptable. It’s never OK to hit anybody!! It’s not OK to hit a teacher. It’s not OK to hit a significant other. It’s not OK to hit your parents. It’s not ok to hit your friends and it’s not OK to hit your children!!! it’s NEVER OK to hurt somebody EVER
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@curiousnorway don’t care where they’re doing it
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@hsshannah96 I can see you are passionate about this subject but sometimes "#science" will be ignored. I was raised with hidings when I deserved them, that method worked for me. I don't view it as child abuse or cruelty it is discipline. If it's "sick" then that's yours and all the downvoters' opinion. Look you are wasting your time on me , I'm a lost cause , surley you have something better to do than argue.
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I see that you’re a lost cause alright. I hope you have no children.
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To ignore science is just stupid.
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@hsshannah96 bye have a great life.
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That’s for sure! It will be amazing since I have intelligent family members who do not hit children and since my children will not be hit. So sorry for you people
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@hsshannah96 I'm sure it will be 😄
+1 y"Negative reinforcement" as a disciplinary method is not about adding a negative stimuli, but rather about taking away a common positive stimuli.
Spanking kids doesn't teach them to respect authority, it teaches them to FEAR authority.
I'm sorry, but I don't want the only reason my future kids behave to be because they're scared of me.
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+1 yI've been spanked. My mom or dad never took any pleasure in spanking me. I deserved my punishment. I never held it against my parents. I'm grateful for their parenting skills. That made me love them even more.
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+1 yDiscipline is always one of the hardest responsibility of parents. The kid needs to know, what he or she had done is wrong and not being tolerated. Also in the bounds of reason.
This is why some people who understands why their punish, reform to not repeat the act. One example is stealing. Remember actions speaks louder than words. So this not for the benefit of the parents, it's the benefit of the kid. Because they will grow and take it to heart, they've learn it even when their punished.
Ofc after that, hug the kid. Tell her/him that she / he should know what they do is bad. Then let them know u want what's the best for them, and only done what is needed.10 Reply
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yI’m ashamed to say I have lost my cool and spanked my son when he was smaller. I felt terrible and I’m sure he felt equally upset too. I was at the very end of my tether, exhausted, frustrated etc. I communicated and was exhausted and just lost it with smack on the bottom. I was a child who was physically assaulted as well as emotionally and I felt ashamed I had stooped to my mothers level for a very long time. I realised a moment of weakness does not equal what I went through for years but I still regret it now. My son is loved a billion times more than I ever was so i really don’t think it has done any damage. I wouldn’t and have not done it since. How I was raised has affected me deeply and I wouldn’t want my son to feel how I did.
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+1 yYes, but there’s a difference between spanking and beating. There’s nothing wrong with being spanked. Pain is a reinforcement not to do something. Beating is different, though. That’s just abuse.
However, I do not believe spanking works with every child. But I do believe it works with most.110 Reply- +1 y
I want to give you some negative reinforcement for saying stupid things. Let me guess, you weren't spanked as a kid, right?
Hint: it is humiliating, and either breaks the kid's confidence, or hardens them, makes them immune to it. Not only is it not effective, it will (hopefully) bite you in the ass later on, when your kid is all grown up, and will say "fuck you mom/dad, I'm stronger." - +1 y
Well, you would be wrong because I was absolutely spanked lol. Even got the switch a few times.
And I love my parents. They are very loving and they are there for me. But I knew better than to talk back or throw tantrums. Haven’t been spanked since I was 4 because I knew what was coming if I did. Spare the rod, spoil the child.
If you didn’t want to be embarrassed then maybe you should have acted right. That’s your fault lol, don’t be a dick of a kid and you won’t get your ass handed to you. - +1 y
"If you didn't want to. be embarassed..."
Yeah, that's reasonable, blame the little kid.
Just for your interest. When I was 14, I smashed my father on the floor like a piece of ragdol wheb he tried to slap me, and told him "Stop.". He was dumbstruck. Maybe spanking doesn't always work in their (the parents') favour.
I wrote that kids either hardeb, or break. You broke. I hardened. You became a good little docile girl. I became what most parents fear, an immovable, immoldable obstruction in their attempts to create the heir they hoped for. And to this day pinning my father to the floor and stopping him is probably the msot satisfying memory I have. - +1 y
@Benedek38 Yes, I do blame the little kid. Kids get away with acting like little turds because everyone wants to believe that young children just don't know any better and they do. Children know not to act like animals in public but they do it only because parents allow them to get away with it. But even children have common sense. It's not rocket science to know that screaming and yelling in public is annoying. Children are not these dumb little things that everyone believes they are.
Like I said, if you hated getting hit so much, maybe you should have been a better child. That's your problem. Once you can walk on your own and formulate complete sentences (which is like the age of two) then you know better than to act a fool in public. Period. - +1 y
"Kids get away with acting like little turds because everyone wants to believe that young children just don't know any better and they do."
I agree that kids shouldn't get away with stuff.
Now, here's a nice little question I have for all the child-beating idiots I meet.
If you messed up in your job, and your boss came around, grabbed you by your hair, forced you on his lap, and slapped your bare ass dozens of times for your messup, would you feel that he was fair?
Physical punishment inevitably results in resentment, and ultimately, hatred. Hatred for yourself (breaking), or your abusers (hardening). This is why corporal punishment is an outdated concept.
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"Like I said, if you hated getting hit so much, maybe you should have been a better child."
Maybe if my father didn't like having his ribcage crushed by the cold floor below my body - he should have been a better father.
Blaming the victim 100% of the time is just as unfair as blaming the supposed perpetrator without evidence. You don't know what I personally did, or whether I deserved what I got. I'd make the case you are completely ignorant, for which you should be punished. Again, doesn't sound fair.
"Once you can walk on your own and formulate complete sentences (which is like the age of two) then you know better than to act a fool in public."
Who said I was "acting out" in public? What if I told you my father has severe inferiority complex, and he exercised power on his little kids just because he was unsuccessful in his job, and needed a punching bag?
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I can’t be ignorant because I got whoopin’s as a kid and they worked lol. You were probably a bad behaved kid. The only person who can control their behavior is that person. Sorry, but you sounded like a terror.
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"I can’t be ignorant because I got whoopin’s as a kid and they worked"
That's a logical non-sequitor.
"You were probably a bad behaved kid."
Introvert kid, surprisingly quiet even as a sub-4 year old, top of my class till the end of highschool. I could go on. I have always been what people would consider a nerd. Bad behaviour was not one of my problems. Again, you are ingorant, and you think that your example, and the perceived advantage you got from being beaten as a kid, is universal. It isn't.
"The only person who can control their behavior is that person."
That sentence doesn't make any sense.
"Sorry, but you sounded like a terror."
I wasn't. I became a "terror" when I realised how weak and petty my father is sometimes. I love him, but he is the epitomy of a weak man who lets his frustration out on his kids.
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You were. Get over it.
981 opinions shared on Family & Friends topic. I've been spanked everyday as a child (spank / slap), and it never worked just made me to act "provocative" and asking for another one.
Spanking a child is useless, he aren't going to understand what he did wrong plus he would learn that if you do not get your ways using violence is ok / the right ways.
I doubt I would slap my child cause I think it's useless and it show you can only get respect from your child by using violence.16 Reply- +1 y
If it was done everyday wow then no wonder it didn't work. Sounds like they couldn't think of anything else. Why continue doing something that isn't working out?
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Is it common for parents in france beat their children?
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@Danielle93 My father was away working all week, only there during the week end, my mother was alone taking care of us (my sister and I), she hated being a housewife and I think she took all her frustration on us.
Like if we said we're angry at 10 pm she would slap / spank us and yell at us that we should have eat during diner.
I think she just do it to let out her frustration more than anything. She screamed and spanked us everyday but we never listened. She have a temper and is hotheaded so I don't think it even crossed her mind to talk calmly about what we did wrong. - +1 y
Wow, i remember a scene when i was young that a father spank his boy by a belt in a internet bar because the kid steal his money and play games with his friends. what happend next is that the father'trousers fell off several minutes after tooking off the belt which revealed his boxers... people around stared at him in a strange way.
Anonymous(25-29)+1 ySpanking does nothing except teach the kid not to do something when you’re around. I wasn’t spanked. When I did something bad, I felt guilty enough to tell my parents and they gave me a firm lecture about why it was bad and I didn’t intentionally do it again. I didn’t want to disrespect my parents or teachers or anyone and kept myself in line.
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Opinion Owner+1 yI do not believe I will spank my kids, but instead instill a sense of respect in them so they listen to me when I tell them why something is bad.
+1 yIt is not to be made into a habit, there are most of the times far better ways to correct kids, however in some punctual occasions kids need to be "shaken up" so they realize their mistakes and remember a lesson (for example is the child keeps breaking a rule over and over).
00 ReplyI was spanked and am still scarred by it, my mom made my dad stop because she just couldnt see us being abused anymore. That's what it is, abuse. In my opinion, hitting your child is abuse and parrently other people don't think so. If my child ever does something wrong, I'll ground them, take stuff away, not beat them
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If your mom thought what your dad was doing was abusive then it wasn't spanking lol. It's only abuse if you go over board leave marks, etc. But there's nothing wrong with a spanking when used in the correct disciplinary way.
But I can tell you that grounding and taking things away don't work. I have several middle school students whose parents do this but they always find ways around getting what they want. And often times, the parent has no idea. They're clueless. My best behaved students are the ones who parents spank. Grounding and having things taken away stop working at like age 6 lol
+1 yI believe spanking should only be used as a last resort when other forms of discipline don’t work. I believe it should be done between age 3 and age 11 only. Under 3, it’s abuse. Over 11, it’s extremely humiliating. I was spanked at 15, after getting in a fight with a neighbor kid. The spanking was humiliating more than it physically hurt.
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+1 yI think spanking is abuse that people just allow beacause, it comes with a title or reason. People spank their kids for stupid things we can't help. We can't help we failed a test or class we studied hard for.
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But sometimes you have to. What I mean is just not over stupid stuff.
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Who would spank their kids for failing test? That's not the purpose of spanking. I think you're purposely trying to miss the point.
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No I'm not but, if you feel that way about my comment then sorry if it came across that way.
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+1 yI wasn't spanked much at all but that's mostly because I was already a well-behaved kid by nature.
But I do remember this one time I did something incredibly stupid that did not occur to me to be a bad thing - my mom went in and spanked me until I cried and that was for the better because lol at that moment I was a little piece of shit who deserved it. Now I know better.00 Reply
+1 yonce upon a time, everyone except for the white kids use to get beat by their parents. while kids of every color use to get whipped and beat by commonly found items at home, the white kids were simply sent back to their room aka "grounded". one day, a white parent saw parents of another race beat their kids, contacted the cops and called it child abuse. since that day, beating kids were not allowed.
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You know where the bright idea to beat blac kids came from? Black parents in slavery who wanted their kids bad behavior to be corrected to save worst whipping from the master.
+1 yI think it’s fine, not doing it is probably why kids are turning out so horrible because they have no fear of the repercussions of the actions. I got hit with a belt or wooden spoon, or a sharp slap. I turned out good.
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did you turn out good though or is this self-opinionated?
+1 yI grew up in a different era than you; things have changed a lot over the last 30 years. Things you could do and/or say are much different now. It's too bad, because I really think we aren't doing people any favors. Not that I'm advocating violence against kids; I'm not. There's obviously a limit. But a little swat on the butt? That's just redirection. It's meant to send a message and it does; as long as it doesn't cross the line of abuse, I'm perfectly fine with it. But that's my generation.
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+1 yI think after all this we not this same,,, so if we say that it's ok for the parents to punish their children physically not all parents will stay behind the limits some of them will make horrible mistakes so fmo its up to the parents to know how they want to Rais them,,,
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yI grew up in an abusive household. It took me a long time to admit that, and people saying that hitting children (because that’s what it is) is normal didn’t help. Partly because I wanted to believe them. It culminated in a mental breakdown my junior year of high school because the more research I did, the more it became abundantly clear that what happened was abuse. It nearly lost me my chance at college.
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Opinion Owner+1 yI know people will disagree. Yes, there’s a line, and yes, my parents crossed it a hundred times over. But now I’m going into child protective services to make sure the same thing doesn’t happen to other children, and one thing I have learned is that there are ways of disciplining a child without laying a hand on them. Also, if they’re acting out, it’s usually because of a deeper problem that they’re not old enough to understand. I remember the way I used to fear my parents, and I never want my own children to fear me like that. I don’t understand what could compel someone to physically hurt someone so obviously helpless.
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there are people in the world who have mental illness, they have no empathy, no brain skills, have no direction in life, treat people differently to the way they want to be treated. People who dont deserve to have kids have them anyway. a lot of good people dont have kids, thats the world for you, its your world you do what you want how you want until someone says its wrong, but is it wrong? or is the person who says it's wrong looking out for their own interests?
I've recently replied to a 14yr old girl whose father hits her for wearing shorts and skirts, but doesn't hit the 11yr old daughter, he doesn't care how she feels, he just doesn't want her to look good for other guys, their mother doesn't care and allows it. She is very upset, i believe she is a responsible girl, im not her parent.. she lives in fear when the father is alone with her. It makes me angry.
+1 yyeah. sometimes it's the only way to get through to them. As long as it is a firm hand that isn't too hard, it can discipline. I was only spanked once and I learned my lesson. Also, no matter what, any comment you post on this will not sway me, so don't give me any crap about studies and things.
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Though some contend any form of physical correction equates to child abuse, there is a giant chasm between a mild spanking properly administered out of love and an out-of-control adult venting their emotions by physically abusing a child. Along those lines, I caution parents who have a hard time controlling their temper to choose alternative forms of discipline. There is never an excuse or an occasion to abuse a child.
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+1 yI was spanked inappropriately and never had kids but would use it because I think it's a reasonable deterrent when existed in the correct manner and for the right reasons.
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You know I actually use this really really magical concept called language and words. When I use these in the correct manner children tend to be less defensive and more willing to cooperate with what I’m requesting of them than when I HIT THEM!!!
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@hsshannah96. What do you do when words don't work, when time outs don't work, Reward jars, ect? Your child screams as if she is being beaten for making her go to her room, throws things, kicks out baby gates, kicks the door so many times it breaks? I bet you've never dealt with an out of control child like that. And I get it. My first child I never had to spank. I knew how to properly use time out and it worked with him. But not my daughter.
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Things got so bad we had no peace in our home because she was trying to do things she knew was wrong the second you turned your head. We finally decided to try spanking her. Because she would work her self up so much screaming we spanked her on the behind and I'm guessing the shock of it was enough to stop her brain from freaking out so she could calm down and listen to what we have to say. And I'm guessing the short pain of it made her remember the consequences to her actions. Some kids are just easier than others. And now we haven't had to spank her for 2 years. It corrected her behavior. Words weren't enough.
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@PinkMichae I have to say that it's reasonably understood that all of these brats that are saying they won't ever spanked as children are the same as the disrespectful asses that are going around today AND (shock me, shock me) don't hvae kids yet. it's really sad to see they are so able to say things they know nothing about. It's one thing to disagree, but her utterly ridiculous overreaction is really disheartening. there's beating a kid and then there's giving them a sharp reminder and I'm sad to say that she's one of the many that feel they're better than the rest.
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Actually I’m one of the few friends of mine who is in their 20s who’s not having babies right now. I have two certificates and I’m about to get a degree being an occupational therapist. Most of my family says yes ma’m and no ma’m, etc and we’re all very respectful to one another. Why? Because I was very respected and listened to as a child.
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Beating/slapping/whooping/spanking all hurt. They’re the same
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@PinkMichae If words aren’t enough it means that you’re using the wrong techniques.
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@hsshannah96. And how many kids have you raised so far that you know this? As if we didn't try several different ways before resulting to spanking. Which by the way worked and she is a perfectly healthy girl who at this point probably doesn't even remember that period of time. Pop out a few kids and raise them before you start lecturing other parents that they didn't do the right thing. Us parents do the best we can for our kids to make sure they learn right from wrong. I did so much research and even joined parent groups online asking anyone's advise on how to handle her. NOTHING WORKED. And I'm her mother. So I'm gonna make sure any advise or techniques I tried I did right. I understand from raising my son they do work on some kids. And since it worked on my son. Apparently I did it correctly. So stick your technique up you self righteous a$$. You don't know unless you are in the situation.
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by the way spanking is no where near beating your child. As a person with 2 certificates and ALMOST a degree you should know the difference. The fact that you don't know the difference tells me you need more of an education in life. I doubt you've even had a chance to work with patients. And I'm quite familiar with occupational therapist as my sister in law is one. Her and I had a lot of discussion about my daughters behavior. Still nothing she advised me on worked. I suggest if you plan on being an occupational therapist you stop acting like a know it all or you are gonna turn people away. Work on that bed side manner because your original comment was nothing but disrespectful. Apparently you didn't learn as much as you think.
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@PinkMichae I worked in two preschools and these had more than 60 children!!! I also worked with many families in their homes.
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@PinkMichae Many children need behavior intervention plans done by a psychologist and they aren’t getting them. I never need to tell people kids need them because we take privileges and tell them “hitting isn’t ok. Here is a pillow to hit or we can come calm down on this bench.” When the child refuses we make the choice for them. Over time the child learns to regulate their own emotions.
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For children who this doesn’t work for, assuming the parent had an assertive tone of voice and did not go into further confrontation with the child, these children need psychological assistance
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@PinkMichae just because people are parents, doesn’t make them good parents!!! I can go to a nightclub tomorrow and have someone get me pregnant
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Discipline is teaching and guiding children. Punishment shames and belittles children
There is a difference between discipline and punishment - +1 y
If you can’t teach your children the difference between right and wrong without resorting to violence, then you shouldn’t have children. that’s not rocket science.
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You're correct that not all parents are good parents. But if I wasn't a good parent I wouldn't have done everything I did to try and change her behavior. A bad parent wouldn't have been so patient and just screamed and spanked the child. We never did it out of anger and it was months of failed techniques.
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And I don't care if you worked with children part time which by the way is out of their home environment. Doesn't mean you know it all. You just barely became an adult 3 years ago. I too have done child care, taken care of the neighbors kids, taken care of family. But I guess you would have to push your techniques that solve everything. Otherwise you won't get paid someday. You gotta convince parents that they don't know what they are doing with their own children. Otherwise you wouldn't have a career. And like I said. Anyone that doesn't know the difference between a beating and a spanking is off in their thinking. And it's a real slap in the face to all the poor children who do get beat and are TRULY abused for you to put them in the same category. I have nothing left to say to you. Have a good life.😎
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@hsshannah96 you obviously have no kids (and, by the way, neither do I.) I'm not saying that breed spanking, but I'm saying you might be a little wiser and less defensive about someone disagreeing with you.
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