With all due respect, well it's hard to respect that but... it looks just way stupid and... gay. I can't really say if that's a girl or a guy or a demon.. I just said the truth
And @ all the girls saying "makeup is genderless, you do you uwu"... would *you* date a feminine pansy of a man, or would you rather a man who's strong and masculine? Like I'm being serious. The vast majority of women aren't into that. It's like those guys who get face tattoos, like yes technically you can do what you want, but you *really* shouldn't.
@softrosie we can say makeup has no gender and still not want to date a guy who wears makeup its just what we prefer, why you so uptight? Lol. Wearing makeup doesn't really make a guy less masculine.
Because you say you want tough men, but feminists are killing a man's desire to be manly. The second a man is tough he's shot down for "toxic masculinity", and then shown dozens of articles about why men should wear makeup. Let men be men.
Feminist aren't killing anything, they dont make men wear makeup its their choice. Because honestly if they desired to be manly then they will be. A guy wear makeup because he wants to, I doubt a women writing an article about it has that much effect on his life.
Not with all the social stigma. You guys are the first to point out how social stigma makes women more likely to wear makeup because they'll feel inadequate without it? Nobody's outright telling women they need to wear it, they just do because of a hostile society? The same thing is happening about men and masculinity. Feminists (who control most of the educational institutions and media institutions) are forcing the idea that for a man to be tough, aggressive, basically just being a man is wrong. Then they go around preaching that men need to be more gentle, praising men who wear makeup, demonising men who "manspread" (read: take up space as a man) and "mansplain" (read: have different opinions as a man)... society is demonising the masculine and worshipping the feminine. Let men be men.
Lol you can't blame everything on feminist, not a feminist just saying. This is the real world hun most of the time when men wear makeup or even women they dont do it because society told them to, they do it because it makes them feel more confident about theirselves. No one says they feel inadequate without it, okay its for example a girl wants to be prettier so she buys herself a beautiful dress so she can feel BEAUTIFUL, not because society made her feel that way. And girly you need to check your facts because part of being a feminist does not try to demasculate men, if thats what you're saying. Feminist NEVER said or try to say that being a man is wrong, feminism has NOTHING to do with men mostly. You need to really learn what feminism means because feminism is basically believing that WOMEN are just as equal as men, can do everything a man can do. It had NOTHING to do with making men feel feminine or less manly. No one praises men, just because women dont go around telling men off who wear makeup we're prasing them? Wrong.
Yeah that may be true but being a feminist doesn't mean all women wanting to demasculate men because it isn't true, you need to learn more about feminism before you really offend someone with half information.
Of course not all, but the ones who do have a scary amount of power. I used to be a feminist, I know how it is. And if the truth offends you, then you're too far gone.
Just because you think your truth is everyone's truth doesn't make it true. What you think is true could be incredible wrong. Just because you said you were a feminist doesn't mean you had the femnist mindset meaning you could have been saying crazy shit and saying thats how feminist think.
The truth about feminism is that it's gone off the deep end. It's not about equality anymore, but about control, and how much they can "push the envelope" until they have total control over everything, like little dictators.
yeah okee... you're confused. You went from talking about how feminist want to demasculate men into wearing makeup to how they want to take over the world, lol okee
I agree @softrosie. I don't think that masculine men are affected by the talk of toxic masculinity. I think the problem is that young men who are confused about their roles as men are the ones who are easily influenced by that emasculating bullshit and they listen to stupid women.
Half the trouble is that women for the most part are fucking clueless (you're obviously not) when it comes to masculinity but many people think that women are or should be the ones to define it. And whatever women say they want men will try to be because obviously they wanna get laid. It's mainly women who are saying that make-up has nothing to do with gender, it's mainly women who talk about how bad toxic masculinity is, as well as the usual stuff about how they want guys who show their emotions and cry. Confused guys see that and go with it, and they become emasculated faggots parroting what those clueless women have told them a man should be. It's those guys who are fooled by it.
@softrosie I think your taking a lot of personal issues out on @purple_babe14, I agree with @purple_babe14.
I would 100% date a man who wears makeup, it does not effect his masculinity. Maybe you should ask yourself what you think masculinity and femininity is. Is it the way someone carries themselves (in that case something as insignificant as makeup shouldn't matter) or is it about what they wear/what they say/how much they conform to society? For me the most masculine thing a guy can do, is being himself, owning it, not feeling so threatened by makeup in this example, that he can wear it if he wants it and rock it, since his masculinity is not threatened by something like makeup. As for feminine guys, there's absolutely nothing wrong with them, I love masculine guys as much as I love feminine guys.
You can lie to yourself as much as you want, men wearing makeup, worrying about chipping their nails, and sobbing over Marley and me is NEVER masculine. Leave it to a feminist to warp and twist a word to suit her own meaning. Words HAVE meanings you know, you don't have to try to fit your own definition.
That's just your opinion. I don't think a man is any less masculine if he cries in a sad movie? Since when is expressing emotions linked to masculinity/femininity? Who didn't cry while watching Marley and me?
It's not an opinion, it's a literal fact? "Masculine: having qualities traditionally ascribed to men, as strength and boldness". I know you know what "masculine" means when it comes to trans people. Would you or would you not call someone who wears makeup and nail polish and is overly emotional "masculine-presenting"?
Yes I would still call them 'masculine-presenting' because in your definition makeup does not take away a mans strength or boldness. Have you met men? Something like this does not define their masculinity, and I find it absurd that you think something as insignificant like makeup would define masculinity. A true masculine man wouldn't care, this won't attack his masculinity. On the contrary.
And no it is not a fact, this is your opinion, you can't make the world agree with it just because it is what you believe. People are allowed to have different opinions. You don't agree with me and I don't agree with you, nothing wrong with that.
Your logic is that a man is masculine if he's comfortable doing feminine things. If he's doing feminine things then by definition he's the opposite of masculine.
That's the same thing. Masculine is masculine. Feminine is feminine. They're opposites. If a man becomes more feminine, he becomes less masculine by definition which is why your argument doesn't make sense at all.
No it does, your definition of masculinity and feminnity is just very close minded. If a girl does sporty things I don't automatically think she's more masculine, same with guys doing feminine things. It's no big deal. Why does something so small, so insignificant threaten masculinity/femininity?
Definitions for *everything* are inherently close minded. Words have meanings, and that meaning is strict. It's like the number "12" can't also mean "34", it has its definition, and no matter how you feel about it it will never change. "Masculine" And "feminine" are opposites, and the more you have of one, the less you have of the other
And yeah, if I met a girl who did masculine sports like boxing or football, she is more masculine than most girls. If I met a guy who did cheerleading or ballet, he's more feminine.
It's not closed minded to say that masculinity and femininity are opposites. Words mean things, but people like you seem to want to redefine those things to the point where they mean nothing at all and what you're saying isn't logical.
Gender is not just a word, like 12 or 34. Masculinity and femininity is more complex than just a word. But that was not my discussion. My discussion was that if makeup threatens 'masculinity' then the masculine person isn't all that masculine. I get that their is masculine and feminine, I just said something like makeup isn't and shouldn't be linked to either. It's just face paint.
Agree to disagree, I'm not going to waste my time discussing something with someone who is to close minded to look past their own beliefs and completely refuses to see anyone else's point of view. Good night to you.
Hot is high temperature, cold is low temperature. Those words mean things.
If the temperature is high and it drops, it became less hot. If the temperature is low and it rises, it becomes less cold.
Is 20°C just as hot as 30°C? No, it's cooler. Less hot. More cool. Is it closed-minded of me to say that? Is my definition of hot and cold too narrow? If we were to say that 20°C is just as hot as 30°C, would the words hot and cold mean anything at all?
Masculinity and femininity work in just the same way. Feminists and SJWs might want to blur the definition, but that's what it is. Some people are more or less masculine/feminine than others. There's no logic to your arguments. You've just been told by dumb feminists that if a man acts like a woman he's just as masculine as a man who acts like a man. In fact if he's confident in acting like a woman he's more of a man. Therefore, those words mean nothing at all. That's ridiculous. You clearly do not understand what masculinity is.
If all guys did it and all girls did it... we would be all the same. So.. its pointless. It's very gay... I don't think any straight guy would do it unless it's for acting
Do you think makeup looks ugly af on men simply because men are naturally inherently ugly... hence even makeup can't make them look better, while makeup looks stunning on women because women are inherently very beautiful?
@iamnewhered If we're talking about a grotesque abomination like in the picture above, that would look ugly as fuck on anyone. Men or women. I mean look at it - that doesn't even look human anymore. It looks like some crappy CGI porn character created by a psychopath.
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Well they can wear makeup as much as we do but I personally wouldn't date a guy that wears more that concealer and Eyebrow pencil
I love it! Makes guys so much better looking. However, they should focus on masculinizing techniques if they don't want to look like girls.
lol funny
@Purple_Babe14 true though
With all due respect, well it's hard to respect that but... it looks just way stupid and... gay. I can't really say if that's a girl or a guy or a demon.. I just said the truth
I don't give a shit about people anymore. that is not in my life. who cares. Not me. i am my own life with my boyfriend.
Some guys put it on better than girls. I say wear what you want, it's your body/your face. I personally think it looks awesome!
Well, they’re unattractive to me because they’re trying to look more feminine, and I don’t want a feminine man.
I have no problems with it, it good if they're your friend. But I would want a guy with make-up to be my boyfriend.
Sorry, but I hate it. Absolutely hate it, especially if it looks like on the image :'D
Only makeup I like on guys are corpse paint.
You had me until corpse paint?
@softrosie Haha, sorry.
(Corpse paint as in the make-up in metal, not anything else if that exists, just mentioning.)
It would catch on faster than you might think if cosmetics companies threw enough marketing dollars at it.
I have no prob with it Just be yourself and dont take shit from people who won't accept u for who people are
I wouldn't want to be around one of those guys, but I have no problem with them existing lol
I like when they use light makeup. Just enhancing their natural features
Hate it, hate it, hate it. Men used to be tough and manly, now they're contouring their brows and whining about safe spaces... :'(
And @ all the girls saying "makeup is genderless, you do you uwu"... would *you* date a feminine pansy of a man, or would you rather a man who's strong and masculine? Like I'm being serious. The vast majority of women aren't into that. It's like those guys who get face tattoos, like yes technically you can do what you want, but you *really* shouldn't.
@softrosie we can say makeup has no gender and still not want to date a guy who wears makeup its just what we prefer, why you so uptight? Lol. Wearing makeup doesn't really make a guy less masculine.
Because you say you want tough men, but feminists are killing a man's desire to be manly. The second a man is tough he's shot down for "toxic masculinity", and then shown dozens of articles about why men should wear makeup. Let men be men.
Feminist aren't killing anything, they dont make men wear makeup its their choice. Because honestly if they desired to be manly then they will be. A guy wear makeup because he wants to, I doubt a women writing an article about it has that much effect on his life.
Not with all the social stigma. You guys are the first to point out how social stigma makes women more likely to wear makeup because they'll feel inadequate without it? Nobody's outright telling women they need to wear it, they just do because of a hostile society? The same thing is happening about men and masculinity. Feminists (who control most of the educational institutions and media institutions) are forcing the idea that for a man to be tough, aggressive, basically just being a man is wrong. Then they go around preaching that men need to be more gentle, praising men who wear makeup, demonising men who "manspread" (read: take up space as a man) and "mansplain" (read: have different opinions as a man)... society is demonising the masculine and worshipping the feminine. Let men be men.
Why is there such an effort to feminize men? Women don't even prefer to date effeminate men, so it's not even like you'd have anything to gain.
Lol you can't blame everything on feminist, not a feminist just saying. This is the real world hun most of the time when men wear makeup or even women they dont do it because society told them to, they do it because it makes them feel more confident about theirselves. No one says they feel inadequate without it, okay its for example a girl wants to be prettier so she buys herself a beautiful dress so she can feel BEAUTIFUL, not because society made her feel that way. And girly you need to check your facts because part of being a feminist does not try to demasculate men, if thats what you're saying. Feminist NEVER said or try to say that being a man is wrong, feminism has NOTHING to do with men mostly. You need to really learn what feminism means because feminism is basically believing that WOMEN are just as equal as men, can do everything a man can do. It had NOTHING to do with making men feel feminine or less manly. No one praises men, just because women dont go around telling men off who wear makeup we're prasing them? Wrong.
Have you heard of the term "toxic masculinity"? The only reason that term exists is to put down manly men
yeah but you can't blame that on feminist.
It's a term created by feminists, though. With the purpose of demonising men.
Yeah that may be true but being a feminist doesn't mean all women wanting to demasculate men because it isn't true, you need to learn more about feminism before you really offend someone with half information.
Of course not all, but the ones who do have a scary amount of power. I used to be a feminist, I know how it is. And if the truth offends you, then you're too far gone.
Just because you think your truth is everyone's truth doesn't make it true. What you think is true could be incredible wrong. Just because you said you were a feminist doesn't mean you had the femnist mindset meaning you could have been saying crazy shit and saying thats how feminist think.
The truth about feminism is that it's gone off the deep end. It's not about equality anymore, but about control, and how much they can "push the envelope" until they have total control over everything, like little dictators.
yeah okee... you're confused. You went from talking about how feminist want to demasculate men into wearing makeup to how they want to take over the world, lol okee
Can't wait for you to wake up and see what's happening to the world. You're on the wrong side of history.
Why hate makeup on men so much?
How is it less manly?
I agree @softrosie. I don't think that masculine men are affected by the talk of toxic masculinity. I think the problem is that young men who are confused about their roles as men are the ones who are easily influenced by that emasculating bullshit and they listen to stupid women.
Half the trouble is that women for the most part are fucking clueless (you're obviously not) when it comes to masculinity but many people think that women are or should be the ones to define it. And whatever women say they want men will try to be because obviously they wanna get laid. It's mainly women who are saying that make-up has nothing to do with gender, it's mainly women who talk about how bad toxic masculinity is, as well as the usual stuff about how they want guys who show their emotions and cry. Confused guys see that and go with it, and they become emasculated faggots parroting what those clueless women have told them a man should be. It's those guys who are fooled by it.
@englisc thank you, you took the words right out of my mouth!!
@softrosie I think your taking a lot of personal issues out on @purple_babe14, I agree with @purple_babe14.
I would 100% date a man who wears makeup, it does not effect his masculinity. Maybe you should ask yourself what you think masculinity and femininity is. Is it the way someone carries themselves (in that case something as insignificant as makeup shouldn't matter) or is it about what they wear/what they say/how much they conform to society? For me the most masculine thing a guy can do, is being himself, owning it, not feeling so threatened by makeup in this example, that he can wear it if he wants it and rock it, since his masculinity is not threatened by something like makeup. As for feminine guys, there's absolutely nothing wrong with them, I love masculine guys as much as I love feminine guys.
You can lie to yourself as much as you want, men wearing makeup, worrying about chipping their nails, and sobbing over Marley and me is NEVER masculine. Leave it to a feminist to warp and twist a word to suit her own meaning. Words HAVE meanings you know, you don't have to try to fit your own definition.
That's just your opinion. I don't think a man is any less masculine if he cries in a sad movie? Since when is expressing emotions linked to masculinity/femininity? Who didn't cry while watching Marley and me?
It's not an opinion, it's a literal fact? "Masculine: having qualities traditionally ascribed to men, as strength and boldness". I know you know what "masculine" means when it comes to trans people. Would you or would you not call someone who wears makeup and nail polish and is overly emotional "masculine-presenting"?
Yes I would still call them 'masculine-presenting' because in your definition makeup does not take away a mans strength or boldness. Have you met men? Something like this does not define their masculinity, and I find it absurd that you think something as insignificant like makeup would define masculinity. A true masculine man wouldn't care, this won't attack his masculinity. On the contrary.
And no it is not a fact, this is your opinion, you can't make the world agree with it just because it is what you believe. People are allowed to have different opinions. You don't agree with me and I don't agree with you, nothing wrong with that.
Your logic is that a man is masculine if he's comfortable doing feminine things. If he's doing feminine things then by definition he's the opposite of masculine.
No I said if a mans masculinity is so easily threatened by something 'feminine' then he's not really all that masculine.
That's the same thing. Masculine is masculine. Feminine is feminine. They're opposites. If a man becomes more feminine, he becomes less masculine by definition which is why your argument doesn't make sense at all.
No it does, your definition of masculinity and feminnity is just very close minded. If a girl does sporty things I don't automatically think she's more masculine, same with guys doing feminine things. It's no big deal. Why does something so small, so insignificant threaten masculinity/femininity?
Definitions for *everything* are inherently close minded. Words have meanings, and that meaning is strict. It's like the number "12" can't also mean "34", it has its definition, and no matter how you feel about it it will never change. "Masculine" And "feminine" are opposites, and the more you have of one, the less you have of the other
And yeah, if I met a girl who did masculine sports like boxing or football, she is more masculine than most girls. If I met a guy who did cheerleading or ballet, he's more feminine.
It's not closed minded to say that masculinity and femininity are opposites. Words mean things, but people like you seem to want to redefine those things to the point where they mean nothing at all and what you're saying isn't logical.
Gender is not just a word, like 12 or 34. Masculinity and femininity is more complex than just a word. But that was not my discussion. My discussion was that if makeup threatens 'masculinity' then the masculine person isn't all that masculine. I get that their is masculine and feminine, I just said something like makeup isn't and shouldn't be linked to either. It's just face paint.
Agree to disagree, I'm not going to waste my time discussing something with someone who is to close minded to look past their own beliefs and completely refuses to see anyone else's point of view. Good night to you.
Hot is high temperature, cold is low temperature. Those words mean things.
If the temperature is high and it drops, it became less hot. If the temperature is low and it rises, it becomes less cold.
Is 20°C just as hot as 30°C? No, it's cooler. Less hot. More cool. Is it closed-minded of me to say that? Is my definition of hot and cold too narrow? If we were to say that 20°C is just as hot as 30°C, would the words hot and cold mean anything at all?
Masculinity and femininity work in just the same way. Feminists and SJWs might want to blur the definition, but that's what it is. Some people are more or less masculine/feminine than others. There's no logic to your arguments. You've just been told by dumb feminists that if a man acts like a woman he's just as masculine as a man who acts like a man. In fact if he's confident in acting like a woman he's more of a man. Therefore, those words mean nothing at all. That's ridiculous. You clearly do not understand what masculinity is.
@englisc that's genius! Thanks for putting it into words!!
Thanks :) no problem.
makeup is genderless anyone and everyone can wear it and feel free to express themselves.
I think some guys look good with it and I think some guys don’t look good with it
If all guys did it and all girls did it... we would be all the same. So.. its pointless. It's very gay... I don't think any straight guy would do it unless it's for acting
It's fine with me. It doesn't effect me at all, so why would I care?
It's not for me personally, but live and let live.
(Though I'll admit I've done it once for a video where I had to play a female.)
I don't care, as long as I'm not expected to find it attractive.
You don't like it appealing on men? Why so
@iamnewhered I find it extremely unattractive. I don't need a reason. It just looks ugly as fuck to me.
Do you think makeup looks ugly af on men simply because men are naturally inherently ugly... hence even makeup can't make them look better, while makeup looks stunning on women because women are inherently very beautiful?
@iamnewhered If we're talking about a grotesque abomination like in the picture above, that would look ugly as fuck on anyone. Men or women. I mean look at it - that doesn't even look human anymore. It looks like some crappy CGI porn character created by a psychopath.