I mean without using steroids. If that is the genetic potential of woman how is it unfeminne for them to be according to their genetic potential as women?
Women without using steroids can't grow very big muscles. I could barely put on 1kg and a few hundred grams of muscle in my first year of training, it took me half a year to see a difference. Maybe with a trainer I would have gained a bit more. Most guys claim to see a difference in 2 months, and that is naturally, a lot of those very jacked guys are using steroids. Most women would look at most as the woman below (who is too muscular for many). There are of course genetic freaks that can gain more, but still the average woman can at most gain half of what the average man gains, and even for them it takes a lot of time and dedication (plus they have more muscle mass to begin with)
Why do some say it is unfeminine for a woman to have even the slighest muscular definition or size?
I could answer this in two ways. The first kind of agrees with these people and the other explains why they think this way and why it doesn't matter.
So the first one, in ancient times when we were hunting animals and gathering fruits to survive, women would often be left in the caves to take care of the children. Essentially, that means they would be weaker. Our instincts for femininity are probably still remaining from those times, telling us that the guys should be going out and get muscle, while women should not.
Now, for the second one. This seems like an "Expectation". An expectation in the brain are enforced by our ego. The ego walks in and says "I'm right, they are wrong". So if someone has a bit of an instinct that women should be caring and maybe that is furthered by the way he or she grew up, say the mother was a stay at home mom and wasn't very muscular, then they have an expectation in their mind and their ego will defend that notion by shutting out other posibilities and listening to reason. Now one thing that makes an ego become even bigger, is insecurities. The ego's function is literally to defend yourself of insecurities. So the more someone is insecure about themselves, the more ego builds up and says "That women is more muscular than me, she's wrong/bad/unfeminine". This goes for both males and females.
Now that we understand why the ego gets in the way of these people accepting the way someone is, we might come to acceptance. Discarding ego and looking at reality. These women are as they are and that is the way they "look", not the way they "act". Femininity is displayed with actions, visuals actually don't have much to do with it. Imagine if she had 3 times as much muscle. Does that make her ability to empathize with another worse? No. Does that make her worse at taking care of a child? No. Would that mean she would be a worse mother? No. So is she less feminine? No. But our ego might say yes at any point, if we have insecurities about our own body or a big ego in general. That's why some say it's unfeminine for a woman to have even the slightest muscular definition or size.
They have a goal, to be fit and healthy that what beautiful means for them and i do the same thing. It's hard to reach that goal and it's even harder to keep it after reaching it , i don't give a shit about what others think when they see girls with muscles, i respect them, i would cheer them up more and share motivations with each other Am a big fan of Brigitte Goudz
Brigitte Goudz
My goal is to make my legs looks like hers and even better but she is a professional, am just a gymholic with no career in it. I saw one of her work outs, she is a BEAST. If guys can't be with a woman that have big muscles, sure keep on moving because there is the ones who love a woman with big muscles and am one of them.
She is natural, they did decumentary about her and few others female fit influencers and showed the tests they do to find steroids and they were all nigative. Just saying, she started training at very early age and did build all this natural and her dad is a ex boxer.
Because they've been (stupidly) taught to believe that females are supposed to be "small, thin, and dainty," not muscular because it comes off as masculine 🙄
Without trying to brag, I do have an athletic build. And while I don't look half as good as the women you posted, I do have muscular biceps and and toned legs. ALL NATURAL. From years of cardio, hiit, and strength training. I still have a ways to go until I hit my ideal body type and goal weight, but I know it'll be worth it if I can be strong and sexy!
With that being said, I respect any woman that is in shape and has natural muscle: it is NOT easy and shows she works hard and takes care of her body!
I've had people, ironically mostly other women, warn me not to lift too heavy or I'll start to look like a man!
So ignorant...
If a woman is happy having muscles, she's obviously in shape, and takes care of herself, mind your own business!!!
I think it’s a biological thing. Generally girls with higher body fat have an easier time having kids.
Once you get below a certain % (varies from girl to girl I believe it’s usually somewhere between 15-20%) you can develop secondary amenorrhea - the absence or suppression of menstruation from any cause other than pregnancy or menopause.
There’s also the purely visual aspect. Clearly defined muscles are generally seen much more often on men than on women, hence why it might be considered a masculine trait.
That being said, I personally think being “toned” doesn’t mean that you’re going to lose a feminine look. I consider flat abs to be one of the most attractive traits a woman can have.
Body fat percentage is what gives some definition. One of the sexiest women who ever lived, Marilyn Monroe, had curves and aven a bit of a tummy yet her images are still, over 50 years later, considered to be some of the sexiest ever taken. They aren't explicit and she has a figure most women today try to get away from - yet men seek it out.
Testosterone is what makes for muscle growth. Most guys don't want a girl with higher testosterone levels than them
Perhaps it has something to do with fat percentage in body. In my opinion even males who have really 'ripped' bodies don't really look good in comparison to people who have 6 packs but still do have around or more than 6% body fat, below 6 looks unhealthy and is considered unhealthy (medically). Unfortunately for woman with fitness obsession that number (healthy) is around 16% body fat so if a woman is ripped, it is hammered into our brains (read evolutionary psychology) to think/believe she is unhealthy to some extent and this is not inaccurate. Additionally there is a reason fat (some amounts of) is attractive to other people especially to males (in woman/females). Hope that answers your query.
Ohhhh if that's what you meant by muscular then that's hot.. Muscular as in that picture i saw is bad like that's pre bodybuilder bullshit like when the arms are very well structured and the thighs are stone hard then and only then it's bad because it's masculine.. sorry for not getting your point the first time and did i mention that that's hot? Because if i didn't i must say that's hot🔥😂
That is muscular for a woman. I already said i am talking about building muscle naturally. Most women would struggle to even get to her level. Sure, if she was to flex her muscles would look bigger. Female bodybuilders nowadays are full of steroids. You need to look at the first bodybuilding competitions to see the natural genetics limits of women. Most were more built that this girl, but their genetic potential is higher, probably had trained for longer and still looked female. So basically that is the most women could get naturally, this girl is more what someone with average genetics could get if they trained hard.
Though i provably exagerrated by saying she has average genetics, because she may have above average. But i am not an expect. Anyway, the women who competed in the first bodybuilding contest were probably natty, and people who enter those are usually genetic freaks. So the point is the average woman would never get to that. Female bodybuilders nowadays are just anabolics...
Not gonna lie i didn't even know how much is the natural limit i thought it's like shredded back and thighs and arms like that's too masculine.. thanks for teaching me something by the way are you trying to do that?(reach maximum muscle..)
I'm literally asking🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️i ain't attacking you nor her i already said it for the 32nd time if that's what you mean by muscular then it's hot and sexy and feminine i ran out of adjectives just understand i ain't against you on this😂🤦🏻♂️
I already mentioned that the girl in the pictures is where the genetic potential for many women would be, especially considering not everyone can dedicate their life to working out. Then you asked if i want to get close to the genetic potential like it would be a bad thing. Hence, i answered like that. If you didn't get it then at least you understood now.
Those women are not freaks of nature. They have feminine bodies. My body is more rectangular then that And I don’t even train. Some people just build muscle more easily.
I agree with you that if it is naturally occurring, you can't say it is UNNATURAL lol
What they mean is it doesn’t suit their idea of feminine. And somehow that trans hates into nature.
Those of us who truly appreciate the female form, value it in various sizes & shapes, all of which are feminine by nature. However, society dictates norms, and the norm is that men are to be hard & masculine; women are to be soft and curvy. Similarly, many have deep insecurities when it comes to bodies - their own & others - that is often why men may fear a female fitness model, body builder, or transwoman - who could appear more "masculine" than they do.
Cuz if she looks like she can kick are ass then it isn’t a turn on unless the guy likes being submissive , but most men want their girl to look up to him so he can keep her safe and protected , when she is super fit and muscular it’s a turn off to most men cuz a guy wants to be dominate to her
The woman in the images is fine. She's fit and toned but not muscly. But per definition muscles aren't feminine, they take away from the slender, graceful and gentle shapes and curves of women and just looks unnatural when it's too much. And practically all women save a select few have to cheat in some way, (steroids for example) to get muscle mass that rival men's. And those cases looks just awful.
Who does? I certainly do not. Hell, I lean towards the athletic. So the examples above would work for me. Hell, my ex could likely out life most men around. I loved her strength! She didn’t look at all unfeminine to me. Besides, I love a woman who can steady a heavy rifle for a shot and draw a bow. Damn sexy to me!
Its not about being muscular or not. Its about where. If you have huge arms then I feel its unfeminine only for the reason that typically that's a pretty testosterone based desire I feel to be strong to look strong not strong and capable of performing the tasks you enjoy doing.
I don't know if I consider it "unfeminine", I just personally consider it unattractive, but if you base your self-worth on whether or not other people find you physically appealing, then you have more important things to focus on overcoming than your muscle mass.
Uhh? I don't think most people , guys or girls, do say that? But of the people who do say it, girls definitely say it more, and reason? Well... they're jealous of superior female physiques that they don't have. Same as has always been and always will be. Pretty simple.
I like all even the one pictured here in this picture is great, But it all starts to matter when their hands start looking more of like those of males, That is a totall turn of to me, Other than the hands you could have very toned muscles elsewhere in the body, it adds up to the beauty for me.
Old society ideals. In combination of trying to make people that isn't as one in the bunch to become one in the bunch.
You also have the thing that many female's feel pressure to better themselves to be as attractive as them to have high market value for a potential partner with body. It's a subconscious and unconscious thing naive people doesn't want to realize.
I never heard that. When a woman is shredded as hell then yeah most guys won't like it because it's make them look more masculine. But personally I like seeing women with some muscle especially when they have some ab tone and calves muscles definition.
I have a lot of muscle but I also have a decent layer of fat over it which makes it look less defined. I think that If a woman is too muscular, it does look less feminine. Just pay attention to the kind of workouts you do
I think men only find muscular women unattractive when the woman lets her curves disappear. The reason why men find women attractive is because our bodies aren’t a reminder of their own/one that appears to have high levels of testosterone.
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