I am okay with dress rules as long as they are fair to both genders. Places that want to have dress codes should mention rules that applies to everyone regardless of gender and body type. And the dress codes should be specific instead of "dress appropriately/decently" etc because people have different standards for what's appropriate and you cannot expect everyone to interpret it the same way.
For example, you can simply state no sleeveless clothing allowed for anyone, instead of just dress coding girls and giving bullshit reasons like "your bra strap shows and it distracts boys".
You can apply that to other rules too like long hair should be tied and kept away from the face, outerwear should not be see-through, skirts and shorts should not be shorter than knee-length, no tattoos should be showing, pants should not go below the navel, jeans should not be ripped above the knees, etc. Making rules like that ensures that everyone is on the same page, it is understandable for everyone and you are not pointing at any specific group of people.
What men walk around school with pants so tight you can see their balls imprinted on them? There aren't rules for men because men don't dress for attention nearly as much
@RandomGuy1030 but men can and do violate many other dress codes. Wearing low-rise pants to show the underwear, wearing short sleeve/sleeveless clothes, rips/cutouts, flashy jewelry, tattoos, shorts...
Bold of you to assume that attention is the only purpose for girls and women to dress however they like.
The fact is that that's what a lot of women's clothes do. Dress for attention
@RandomGuy1030 my point still stands.
Ok what's the reason to walk around in tight pants and crop tops
Comfort, affordability, accessibility...
Ok so why don't schools let people walk around in their underwear
@RandomGuy1030 undergarments serve the purpose of keeping your bodily fluids from getting on your clothes and to other objects/people.
Why can't students show up naked
@RandomGuy1030 unsanitary.
I have heard from some friends who work in education that HS girls today are already showing way too much by the way they dress. It’s scary.
There is this really asinine feminist assumption that a young woman can dress how she wants and only the best case scenario is supposed happen (e. g. only the “right” guys will notice, people won’t ever objectify her, etc.).
If any “wrong” kind of guy notices and stares an extra moment it can never be hormonal response that is biological in the 99% of hetero boys DNA. Oh no. That young man was “programmed” or something by our “patriarchal” society to notice a female body. He was “programmed” to have the wrong kind of idea run though his (it’s 100% okay if he was the guy the girl wanted to notice her though).
But you know what play stupid games win stupid prizes. Sure just let young girls dress however they want and see how it works out. I’m sure it won’t distract them from their studies and won’t cause more competition/jealously with other girls. I’m sure it won’t distract boys and if any of the “wrong ones” stare an extra moment or worse say something we can then go off about sexism. But again if the “right guy” stares or say something then it’s good. Not distracting to the education plan or anything. No. Never.
I was temporarily a substitute teacher in high school and can confirm that girls these days absolutely come to class showing way too much. They have no respect for their surroundings and just blame everyone but themselves for everything.
@Wraith_Cemetery this completely the fault of 1) bad parenting but worse of all 2) ass backwards modern feminism. They are getting brainwashed by TikTok and stupid crap in public education.
It’s funny that they do all this and all it does is further entrenches patriarchy. But adolescents don’t know any better. It’s mostly the fault of retard leftist views.
You can’t legislate morality. I’m not going to walk down a dark alley at 2am in a bad part of town and only my wallet out (which is visibly stuffed with $100 bills) and wave it around and then expect there to be no risk.
Kids don’t always understand that but grown adults are supposed to educate and protect them. Instead we are allowing them to put themselves in danger thinking we can magically legislate all the bad guys away. It’s so stupid.
@Wraith_Cemetery They have no respect for their own bodies apparently. They probably have Only Fans accounts too. 🍌
@DubiousIntentions I honestly wouldn't be surprised if some of them did and even lied about their age. I mean we already got a pink user in the comments admitting she got pregnant in high school. Surely you should have girls with an OnlyFans account if you got ones out there who have no issues sleeping around and getting pregnant.
Yeah I also failed to mention that allowing these girls to dress that way only makes the forbidden fruit even more tempting for predators.
There is huge oxymoron approach to all of this by the left. They went all #metoo a few years ago and that supposedly called and brought attention to sexual predators. Then they paradoxically tell underage girls it’s okay to dress provocatively since they are “expressing themselves.” Can’t imagine what could go wrong there if you catch my drift. I mean that could never make a major societal problem get even worse or anything. Nah never.
@Anonymous absolutely well spoken! It's a slippery slope. The left has a habit of doing this with other things. First, we had to accept homosexuality. All of a sudden we got drag kids dancing in night clubs being normalized. This will be no different. There is another anonymous blue user who calls the staff "pedos" because they don't think its okay for kids to wear provocative clothing. All while he supports the idea of kids wearing sexy clothing to "desensitize" people. People who advocate for kids being sexualized by wearing sexual clothing are giving away that they are predators themselves.
@TruthBringer when gay marriage got legalized a lot of people predicated that these unintended (and horrifying) consequences would piggyback and it’s happening.
Unfortunately there is a fringe group of Qanon followers other who will call anybody they don’t like “pedos”. They are just giving the left something to point at as a way to dismiss any argument about what the left does (like using Jan 6th to justify months and months of BLM rioting).
We got to focus on common sense. Why the hell is so important that a minor female should be able to dress provocatively? What’s the “upside” vs. the exponential risks?
As a feminist, let me just say if I show my cleavage, it's because I love my cleavage. End of story. It's a view for nobody. I wore the top because I'm comfortable with it and I look cute in that.
I've never heard any feminist say "the right guy will notice" lmao. If you like a guy, ask him out Directly. This is no ugly duckling trope.
@anon1903 please don’t poison the well here. This conversation is about underage HS school girls who want to dress provocatively. The dynamic and debate changes when men and women become legal adults. But again we are taking teenage girls here who are 14-17. There are lots of unique and risky ramifications when it comes to that.
A far better question than it seems. If I'm not mistaken, the aim in some schools to wear a uniform is discipline, and meanwhile to avoid discrimination between wealthy and poor. In my opinion sure girls should be allowed a little freedom, but then, knowing dress codes are dictated by big business taking advantage of teens' ignorance and arrogance, maybe that freedom should somehow stay in control. Anyway, a little decency in schools is a good thing considering their first task being education and teaching, not organising dress code contests...
I think the issue is that the rules don't allow for a persons height, weight or what is available in stores.
It's hard to find affordable shorts that will for example go past a girls fingertips. The same pair of shorts can be fine for a girl who is 5ft and not for someone who is 5'6.
I think so long as you ass cheeks aren't showing it's fine. Not cropped tops are also super hard to find. If they can lift their arms up without a bra showing then whatever.
I think dress codes overall are stupid
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I do. There are many rules and structures to follow in school already, so taking the one away that let's them express themself most isn't going to make them lose all respect for authority. If anything it would be easier to respect authority when it sticks to what is actually important for it to maintain, instead of overreaching into what kind of personal property you must own and wear every day.
If everyone dresses all freaky and sexy then, guess what kids will be desensitized to and not be distracted by anymore? So it's basically a self-solving problem to me. And if teachers have trouble handling themselves around naked kids, then just fire them? Every school should be able to afford an entire non-pedo staff. Full stop.
That sounds like a poor excuse to sexualize kids. And then you ironically call other people "pedos" for simply thinking that kids should dress respectfully and not sexualize themselves by wearing revealing clothing. Do you even hear yourself? You realize that normalizing sexuality is not going to "desensitize" people. You're simply normalizing the objectification of people's bodies.
You sound more pedo than the people you're trying to frame as.
@TruthBringer lol. "You think kids aren't sexy? You pedo!" That's what you sound like.
In seriousness thats a fair challenge. I don't think anyone is sexy, so maybe I am wrong and adults who do like sex will normally find children sexually appealing. Maybe a pedo is only the one who acts on it. But I've been led to believe this isn't true by many people using pedophile to mean "minor attracted," not just "who acts on minor attraction"... Could you give me some reason to change how I use the word now?
@Anonymous That's what I sound like? My guy, you're the one who advocates for the sexuality of children. You're the last person to lecture other people on pedophilia 😂
No, normal adults don't find kids sexually appealing. Only in the rare exception that a minor already has a full developed body that they will carry into their adulthood. But even then, it's not right to sexualize someone who is still a minor. Pedos don't always act on their urges. They often watch from the sides taking in the information they crave to receive. That's why parents must be especially careful in swimming pools and beaches. Those are hotspots for pedos.
If you're advocating for minors to express their sexual assets (cleavage, ass, you name it), then you're stepping in the boundaries of pedophilia. Plain and simple. The whole "minor attracted person" is retarded attempts by the pedophiles to normalize pedophilia by jumping on the LGBT bandwagon. These are the same people who cheer drag kids dancing on stages (check out 'Desmond is amazing' for a nice example). And frankly, you're not helping combat all that BS that is aimed at children by thinking that it should be normal that kids wear sexually appealing clothing. All you're doing is appeal to the pedos' fantasies and wishes.
So you tell me, are you surprised that people would raise their eyebrow and suspect you for one?
@TruthBringer oh I see the misunderstanding. When I said "dress freaky and sexy" it sounded like I meant they actually looked freaky and sexy. But actually, even if you dress up a kid in freaky clothes, that doesn't make them freaky. That makes them a kid dressing how they think freaky is. And same with sexy. You can put lingerie on anything but that doesn't mean anything can be sexy. And I already said personally, I DON'T think anything is.
You say I'm not wrong to think regular adults also don't think kids are sexy. I just carried that over to presume that they don't find kids sexy, at all. No matter what. Like you could dress a cat up like a stripper and that doesn't make it sexy. Yknow, like that level of not attracted to children. I assumed all non-pedos had that level of non-attraction to children.
So kids trying to look sexy would not cause them to have to fight back any urges. Because, they're kids. They're just being kids, playing dress up, trying to be popular or get attention or whatever among their peers. And that isn't sexy to any non-pedo adults. Right?
@Anonymous you realize that teenagers are still kids, right? Anything under 18 is legally a child still. So thinking that a minor should (be allowed to) dress provocatively is a red flag. Ever heard about puberty? Kids under 18 who already hit puberty do experience sexual urges. It's part of growing up. And at least here in the west, teenage girls already have full developed bodies before they even hit the age of 18. So having them wear a lingerie definitely does make them 'sexy' in the eyes of their peers and even adults. That's where even non-pedos sometimes fall for the trap. Why? Because you sometimes cannot even tell the difference between a teenager from a 20 year old nowadays. Especially if they cake their faces up and dress like they are older, which a lot of underaged teenage girls do.
No matter the age, if its under 18, it is despicable to think that a kid should be allowed to dress provocatively. Especially within an educational setting. It seems like modesty is becoming a thing of the past and everything has to become sexual. If that's not objectification, then I don't know what is.
@TruthBringer I don't know I just think if you see the kids every day, yknow like because you work at a highschool, you should be able to understand that everybody except staff and faculty is... a child. Under 18. Even 18 or 19, they're students. Like i don't think a teacher or janitor seeing students dressed up falls at all into the same "grey area" you claim as an adult seeing a random stranger dressed up at like, the mall.
Do you think pediatricians struggle with impulses toward their teenage patients, when they need to see them in their underthings or even fully naked? Do you think that that is sexual for doctors, and patients shouldn't be allowed to be seen that way by doctors and nurses etc who are attracted to people of that child's gender?
@Anonymous You're saying a lot of things without saying much at all. My point is simple: We need to stop sexualizing children. A good way in doing that is by not promoting minors wearing provocative clothing. Doesn't matter if they physically look 15 or 25. A minor is a minor and they need to be protected from (potential) predators. Not only that, but in this time of social media and "influencers", it is hard for a minor not to get dragged into trends. The trend of wearing provocative clothing.
A school is an educational setting. Not a playground to fish for attention & validation by showing more skin. Self-respect and modesty are clearly lacking in western society. How far we've dropped...
@TruthBringer school is a workplace for the staff and faculty members. And they should be held to a high standard of professionalism in how they treat all students, whether minors or technically adults, absolutely regardless of how they are dressed. Just like nurses are expected to be professional whether they give a 15 year old or a fully grown naked woman a catheter or an enima or a breast exam, etc. Because they should be able to handle themselves around people's bodies. No matter how covered up they are. This is a super basic standard.
For kids though, school is not a just a workplace. It's a critical time for socialization. Education matters, yes, but kids being able to wear a crop top or flip flops won't make their brains stop learning. You can learn math naked, or even in the same room as a naked person! I'm not suggesting that, but you understand clothing doesn't make learning harder, right?
Whereas regulating their self-expression with dress codes does hamper their socialization. Not always, but often. Especially for those with difficulty making friends already. Clothes are a huge, personal tool for presenting yourself how you want to be seen among your peers. It's literally private property all kids are required to wear on their bodies to the school, 8 hours a day five days a week. The school shouldn't be ruling what of a child's own property they can't wear to school, when it does not hurt their or others ability to learn.
And again, like I said at first. Kids get desensitized to all sorts of crazy things all the time. It's not an issue of "all the boys and men will go insane if they realize that girls are walking around with butts and even perhaps boobs under their clothes all day!" That's stupid. Everyone knows what girls bodies typically have. They always have bodies. Even if they cover them up. Even if they cover them up less. It's stupid to force girls to completely cover up body parts—which they STILL HAVE and everybody STILL KNOWS IT—because what if an adult who is literally hired to be a professional educator for them, is reminded they have a body, and suddenly can't control their "normal" urges anymore?
You still sound stupid. I've explained good at least once by now. If you still don't get it you're just not capable of it I guess. Sorry. Its a bummer.
@Anonymous you realize you're bringing a red herring into the discussion. The issue is not with the staff. It is overall principle and the overall idea of minors wearing revealing clothing that exposes them to objectification. Regardless if it is in schools or not. In schools it should be even more strictly monitored because a school should be a safe space for kids to learn. Not a place where minors are competing with each other for validation & attention through sexuality. So the entire point of wearing something revealing in schools is already misplaced. It causes distraction and even discomfort within the environment. So you think it doesn't make a difference between a person who wears regular clothes and a minor wearing almost see-through yogapants with string underneath and full blown cleavage?
"You can learn math naked, or even in the same room as a naked person!"
Bloody hell, I'm not even going to bother respond to the idioticy of this strawman argument. If you think it's appropriate for MINORS to walk around like an escort, especially in schools, don't be surprised that people will see you as some predator.
@TruthBringer sorry you think I sound like a child predator by saying a child not being forced to cover their 90% of their body (in what we agree should be a safe environment specifically for children) is *not an excuse* for ANYone to sexualize them, while you think them chosing to cover less than 70% (or covering it "too tightly" or "thinly") actually *requires* EVERYone to sexualize them.
Like I told you I literally don't have a sex drive, and I think all adults who specifically work with children should be able to be professional toward them in every scenario, while you are actively complaining about how minors want and are competing for adults to sexualize them, and you're surprised I *don't* think it should be arousing or distracting for the edge of a child's boobs to be visible?
I just don't see how the one who sounds like they sexualize children here is me...
@Anonymous If you don't want them to be sexualized, then don't advocate for them to wear clothing that expose them to sexualization. Read that again because it seems like common sense is still going right over your head. These clothings are especially made to show off or even enhance female sexual body parts. It doesn't matter whether you have a sex drive or not. The point is about principles. And just because you don't have a sex-drive, doesn't mean there aren't others out there who do have it.
You fail to understand why you sound predatory? You really lack this much self-awareness considering you're the one who is advocating for MINORS to be wearing revealing clothing? Wich means that you're supportive of the idea of sexualizing children. And you don't think that sounds predatory? Geez.
If you cannot grasp basic common sense, then me talking to a wall is more productive than to try to explain reality of social dynamics to you.
@TruthBringer wow just stop making it my problem that you can't see a child's body squished certain ways without getting horny. That's not my fault. That's not the kid's fault. She's sitting in math class trying to learn long division, you pervert. And after that she's gonna go each a shitty lunch she has to pay for even though her parents' taxes fund the school, and she'll talk with her friends about some stupid TV show, or what boys they like, or how they hope the world doesn't end in their lifetime or something I don't know. Then she sits still for another few hours and maybe flirts with some other kid and does some stupid kid things like vape or give each other piercings in the bathroom. Then she'll go home do whatever she does there, and get up tomorrow and pick out a different tiny shirt that might make her feel a little happier to go back to whats basically a child prison every weekday.
Wtf do you want from her? To make it even more like a prison by making her leave all the clothes she likes at home and wear only boring long sleeves and pants and tennis shoes? You want all those kids to have to dress like prisoners too? Just so people like you—who don't even work at that school and have no business being there—won't have to feel guilty that the idea of her sitting in mathclass while also having boobs makes you want to do illegal things? That's ridiculous. And I'm tired of your nonsense. To quote Pink Floyd: "Leave them kids alone."
@Anonymous TLDR your tu quoque fallacy doesn't work with me, Mr who advocates for the sexualization of children. The major difference between you and I is that I don't think kids should wear things that expose them to prying eyes that will increase the odds of jeopardizing their safety. You're giving off major predator vibes.
@TruthBringer if the bus driver and the janitor and the teacher and the principle are jeopardizing students' safety if they don't wear long sleeves and pants, then guess what? They're still jeopardizing their safety no matter what they wear. Clothes don't keep sexual predators from being predators. What keeps kids safe from them is distance. Keeping predators out of schools. Like how we say sex offenders can't live within so many feet of a school. Do you also think that wouldn't be necessary if school kids just dressed like Mormons? Cause obviously no, it would still be necessary and keep kids safe to make sex offenders live far away from their school. You keep saying there are people who would commit sex crimes IN THE SCHOOLS, and I'm saying that THAT is the bad thing we should be trying trying fix. Instead of punishing kids to "keep them safe" with a method that we already know *isn't effective* at protecting them. Just look up the "what we're you wearing" exhibit. You're just blaming the victim and giving excuses for inexcusable behavior. You are literally defending sexual predators. I want you to stop it.
Clothes don't keep away predators. Just as wearing casual clothing won't keep a mugger away. If someone wants to do evil, they will do it no matter what. The key difference is in ODDS. If I wear a golden chain and a Rolex in the streets, the odds are greater to get robbed. Same goes for clothing. Someone who wears revealing clothing will attract more (unwanted) attention than someone who wears something more modest. Does that mean that someone who wears modest clothing won't experience unwanted behavior? No. Will it be more likely that the unwanted behavior occurs when wearing revealing clothing? Yes. It's called common sense.
And your desperate attempt to argue against common sense to justify minors walking around like escorts is quite laughable. The only one who is defending predators is none other than yours. So take your futile gaslighting and tu quoque fallacy elsewhere, because it won't work with me.
Kids shouldn't walk around with revealing clothing. And most especially not in educational settings. Plain and simple. Now go take your predator ass elsewhere, creep.
"You keep saying there are people who would commit sex crimes IN THE SCHOOLS,"
I never said such a thing. I said that there is absolutely no excuse to advocate for children to wear revealing clothing. That's something that should be reserved for ADULTS. An adult has the choice to flaunt their sexuality. A child should be protected from such clothing at all cost, regardless if they have fully developed bodies or not. You're so desperate to please predator fantasy by making it easy achievable that you're now putting words in my mouth. All this so you can justify minors wearing thongs and popping out their chest. And here you try make someone else seem like the "predator" when you're obviously the one who wants to give predators exactly what they want... You're absolutely disgusting.
@TruthBringer you're disgusting, victim-blamer. Children shouldn't be punished because of criminals. You know what you're not forced to do? Wear only poor looking clothes out on the streets. Even if that stupid analogy was accurate, it doesn't lead to the conclusion there should be rules against dressing in revealing clothing, because you obviously don't think the solution to mugging is to force everyone to dress like poor people in public and never wear expensive things. So why when children are involved does public force outside of parents—who can already give their kid rules on how to dress—become the solution? Why should especially teenage kids not be allowed to keep even what autonomy they have over how they present their own body? They can't just leave their bodies at home so they don't get mugged. They shouldn't be walking around where they're forced to be every day scared of being "mugged." We should punish predators and let kids do what they want that doesn't hurt anybody. Because it's predators, not kids having boobs, that are hurting the kids. You didn't even look up the exhibit did you?
You're whole viewpoint is disgusting. Bodies aren't taunting anyone just by not being covered up. Literally just existing. And you think kids should have to hide that they exist because you don't understand why that's such a stupid "solution" that it actually makes the problem worse? When kids feel ashamed just to HAVE primary and secondary sex organs, how do you expect them to speak up if someone sexually violates them? How do you even expect them to recognize it if they've been taught that their body is enticing and goading everyone around them to stare and comment and touch, they will assume it is just normal, or even their fault for not being un-sexual enough to not be targeted. When that's absolutely ridiculous to ever tell anyone—especially children! That's not speculation you can look that up too, sexual crimes against kids are most rampant not when kid shows more skin, but when they live in a society that shames everything about their bodies as dirty and sexual and that it's their responsibility to hide so poor predators don't get seduced by their sexy bodies and accidentally assault them. You're fucking gross. Stop pushing rape culture. Clothes aren't the problem it's people. Including people like you.
Tldr. Not going to argue with a pedo.
@TruthBringer you're literally victim blaming. Look up the exhibit. Stop shaming kids for having bodies; it makes them think abuse is their fault and lets abusers easily gaslight them. You're literally making the problem worse.
You don't even know what victimblaming means. There is a difference between blaming someone for a misfortune that happened to them and telling someone to take personal accountability for their own personal safety to decrease the odds of an unwanted event happening. By your logic, I blame victims of street accidents because I tell people they should look left and right before crossing the street. You can take your fallacious arguments elsewhere. There is literally no point in arguing with someone who thinks its okay for minors to wear provocative clothing like thongs or teared jeans.
Let kids be kids.
@TruthBringer when what you're telling them to "take personal accountability for" to "decrease the odds" is something that it's fine to do and doesn't increase the odds... documentedly, statistically, measurably does nothing... yeah that's victim blaming. It's not like "looking both ways before you cross the street," it's like saying hold your breath in the rain, or someone might try to drown you. It's unnecessary. It's a hamper. It stupid. It's victim blaming. Again, it's not a kids responsibility to hide themself to protect predators.
Jesus Christ, I might as well talk to a carrot. At least the carrot is more capable of common sense. No my guy, you definitely have no idea what victim blaming is. If I tell my daughter that it's best to avoid getting drunk at night in a club unless she wants the risk to get raped, that's not victim blaming. That's me trying to protect my child by teaching her how to take personal responsibility for her protection. By her avoiding these environments and not being intoxicated, she significantly reduced the odds of something happening to her at those places. That's not the same as victim blaming, you fool.
No, it's not the kids' responsibility. Hence why PARENTS and INSTITUTIONS should protect them. First and foremost by teaching them to dress properly to make sure the odds of some predator getting triggered will be reduced. Just because people shouldn't rob houses, doesn't mean I'm going to keep my door unlocked, genius. By locking my door, I've taken personal measures to decrease the odds of someone stealing my shit.
Jesus Christ, you're desperate.
@TruthBringer I want you to try to learn something. Go to an internet search engine, ans just search "do dress codes protect kids from sex crimes". And read like, maybe at least 1 or 2 of the resulting articles?
Here's the first one that came up when I searched it: blog.apaonline.org/.../?amp
I'm anon so I can't hyperlink, but you can copy-past of you want.
Basically just step out of your echo-chamber and consider maybe you as an adult man aren't the expert on how dress codes effect kids, especially girls. There's so much literature on this, the least you can do is 1 internet search and read 1 article...
you don't even have to agree, just be aware that reasonable people can disagree with you? You're so exhausting as you think now.
@Anonymous you're once again strawmanning out of the main point. The point was that it is inappropriate to make kids wear things that make them stand out more sexually. Because like it or not, it does attract attention. That's literally the whole point of the clothing. The statement was not that sexual assault would be countered if they did dress more properly. That was never the initial statement.
It's about letting KIDS pop out their booty and tits and whether that is appropriate or not. They are KIDS. And kids should be kept away from sexualization. Only if they are of adult age should they decide what to wear. In school setting at the very least, it is not a place to be wearing revealing clothing (this counts for both boys and girls). It causes distractions and unwanted behavior. That doesn't mean go wear a burka or something.
Take a look at this video which clearly proves my point of personal safety measures and decreasing odds of unwanted attention. Now imagine if it was a 15-17 year old girl walking around wearing that and all these creeps were approaching her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgw6y3cH7tA
And when it comes to your misplaced accusation for "victim blaming", you'd be wise to listen to what these guys are saying, because it is exactly the point I'm trying to make. In fact, they made that video just for people like you:
https://youtu.be/jAHd5Jyxl88
@TruthBringer so I give you an article from the APA specifically about school dress codes, and you give me YouTube videos about a social experiment of someone *alone* *in public* *in the city* (that I've already watched before), and a semantics breakdown of the least offensive term I could think of to describe what you're doing?
Bruh. I'm done. I appreciate the effort but if that's your only source I'm not surprised you didn't try to correct me when I said you're in an echo chamber. Please expand your sources in the future. If not for the sake of actually understanding the world from more than 1 perspective, then just do it so you can say you've looked at other sources and still haven't changed your mind.
Instead of punishing other kids and adults who sexualize them, school dress codes say girls are the ones sexualizing themselves just by being visible. They punish girls for what others do to them, teach kids that a girls body is OK to sexualize both passively and actively, and they don't at all prevent girls from being victimized in school.
You say you want to protect girls, but school dress codes do just the opposite. So again even just for your own interests, please reconsider your reasoning. And that's all I have to say anymore. Thanks for not blocking or anything but this isn't going anywhere. I should have stopped earlier when you tried to.
Your APA source is a red herring that does not even debunk my initial statement. I say A and you're acting like I said B and so you're hell-bent on attacking B. The social experiment I've shown is a direct reinforcement to my point. The way you dress can impact the way you you're going to get treated or perceived. You not being able to fathom the basic concept of common sense and social dynamics doesn't mean I'm the one who is living in an echo-chamber. And it is also is more of a you-problem. The one who seems to be living in an actual echochamber is none other than yourself judging by how quick you're assuming I'm "victim blaming".
My point still stands. Minors shouldn't be sexualized. that means making sure they don't wear provocative clothing. Whether it is inside of education or not. Plain and simple. Something YOU apparently do want. I hope Aba & Preach brought you some sense.
"Blame and responsibility are not the same thing" - Aba. <-- make sure to read this twice.
Hope you get some common sense next time. Ciao.
Yes, actually. I'm a dad of four and I think it's absurd. I also think that the dress code for girls should not be based on how boys react. Change boy behavior not girl dress code.
"Change boy behavior not girl dress code."
Saying this while having a classroom filled with provocatively dressed girls is not realistic at all. If all around you are temptations and distractions that are provoking your biological instincts, then nobody has the right to tell you that you should change your behavior. It's merely an excuse to allow girls to fish for attention and validation while competing with other girls for it. School is a place for education, not a space where people can play the 'who can get most attention from the opposite sex' game.
You're a dad of 4 and you don't think its absurd how sexually provocative underaged girls are dressing lately? You don't think its absurd that your teenage daughters are being pushed to show off more skin in order to feel validated due to an absurd trend and social media?
Freedom for what? To wear provocative clothing? Or choose something that remains modest and respectful? As long as it remains modest and respectful, I don't think there is a need for a dress code. But since nowadays people don't have morals or common sense, I think a dress code is necessary.
Just because you don't have to wear a school uniform like in the UK, doesn't mean you can use it as an excuse to come to school wearing revealing clothes whether they are yoga pants or showing skin. Just as you wouldn't think it's okay for a boy to wear a wife-beater in class.
A school is a place for education, not attention-seeking and promiscuous-like behavior. Because let's call it what it is, attention seeking. It's a competition between girls for the attention of boys. Plain and simple. Otherwise, there is absolutely no excuse to wear revealing clothes.
I know people who have taken their kids out of public school and placed in Christian school because of the inability to focus on school work rather than fashion and OF.
Sagging pants, muscle tees, visible male/female underwear halter, strapless, shorts and skirts shorter than mid-thigh length are not to be worn does make sense.
Change will require a Supreme Court decision and the last time they looked at dress code in schools were the Vietnam War era black armbands violation in Iowa, 1969. One can pretty much run their Only Fan page from the classroom these days.
As long as it is appropriate for school and class, it is ok. A good example is I went to a Jesuit all boys boarding school, and we could grow our hair as long as we wanted, but it always had to be neat, or it had to be chopped. We could wear any shoes, even high heel boots, anything, as long as, they were laced shoes. Basically, you have to dress for the occasion, like u can't wear a tuxedo to work, you will look like a tart. Lastly, there has to be some level of equity of dress, meaning one child can't wear a queen's robe and the other is dressed like a tramp.
In my opinion dress codes are extremely hypocritical bearing in mind modern day political scenarios in some countrys.
First of, i can't stand politics or social norms. And dress codes are one of the many reasons i find it hypocritical. There pressing "be unique, be yourself, stand out be proud, lgbtq stuff". Then they have dress codes, seems ass backwards to me and makes me do mental back flips.
However I will admit some country's have even harsher standards, In japan the education mentallity makes the students based on sex wear a unique outfit which is exactly the same for all the girls and boys. They also make them die there hair jet black, the more "lenient" schools in japan make them dye there hair jet black or only sport there natural hair color. Either scenario just seems extreme to me.
I'll never understand conformity.
Don't be fucking stupid.
The whole point of a dress code is to enforce discipline and a reality check. You seem like the sort of dipshit that will turn up at a formal interview with tats and a goth look, but expect to be taken seriously for "expressing yourself".
News flash, kid. No one gives a fuck about your expressions. But they want things done in a certain fashion and manner. That is one of the reasons for laws, rules and dress codes.
Yea but when a guy touches your butt you'll complain, these rules are made to prevent these things as much as possible, you don't think that you showing your thighs or stomach can effect sexual urges? Mostly during the youth ages when younger people have stronger urgesin my opinion it's understandable, just do what I do, wear what you want and take the dress code violation
I mean outside school we can wear anything we want, in college too we have that freedom so if there's already a choice then i dont feel there to be a need for schools to have a different set of rules in addition to whats already there in general society. it's not like anyone's gonna show up naked there if someone really wants they'd do it anyways
hard to answer, there has to be a certain dress code, but I think maybe the style could be a bit different,
Yep.
Alongside they should teach boys how not to harass, how women aren't objects, how getting a girlfriend seems like everything but isn't, how respect is earned, how you can be close with a girl without being in the zone, etc. Boys need to learn a lot.
Let's stop punishing girls for existing.
Like it or not, men naturally see women as objects. Literally the same area of the brain lights up when men see a hammer and when they see a woman
Freedom for what? To become single mothers while in school?
Finally, a pink comment with a good head on her shoulders.
Of course not. As an insecure and pathetic man who can't control his erections and is attracted to young teens, I feel like women should take more responsibility for my boners and not tempt other men to hit on them when they're MY girlfriend. All rational people (men mostly) would agree with me.
I don't think there should be dress codes at all. Please use common sense here please - no one is showing up naked to school.
Girls are practically showing up to class almost naked these days.
@Wraith_Cemetery and would it matter if they showed up naked? We shouldn't shame women for their bodies
@Apple1996 You have no issues with KIDS walking around naked in schools? A school is a place for education, not for attention seeking promiscuous behavior. I've seen you use the excuse of being poor to wear provocative clothing. That was the most idiotic thing I've read all day. Being poor has nothing to do with wearing revealing clothes. I've seen the poorest people out there who still manage to cover their bodies.
Nobody is shaming anyone for their bodies, sweetheart. There is a major difference between shaming someone and require them to wear something respectable. The same thing applies to boys and men. There is no excuse for a boy to come to school with a wife-beater. Just say you happen to be a promiscuous girl in the past and keep it pushing. Your gaslighting holds no merit.
I mean boys dress codes are generally more restrictive. The only thing is boys don't want to wear Itty bit shorts our ass cheeks hang out and girls do want to wear stuff like that. If the boys tried it they would be in violation of dress codes too.
Yessss I'm tired of hiding my cleavage every fucking day. And jeans can't hide my giant ass anyways so why should I be restricted to only them?
Would a dress help or no?
Ewwwwww please don't, in "america" were already a semi peaceful society, that allows freedoms...
I usually try and see if I'm gonna snap and spend the rest of my life in jail once a year, cause womens freedoms are so bad. Don't make it worse..
Nope. Equal rights love. Get with the program. Don't you know giving women better rights than the boys is sexist, and all the feminists claim they want equality?
No. It is not appropriate to dress like a whore in school.
School is for LEARNING, not attention whoring.
Which to girls means dress like a hoe. Change into hoe clothes after school. After graduation you have your whole life to dress like and be a hoe.
Your profile pic screams attention hoe. This is why the school has to regulate you otherwise you would dress like a prostitute.
being a whore doesn't mean because you like to wear short skirts and show your legs off
@KrakenAttackin its a little weird to call underage girls whores. That's sexualizing them when they shouldn't be sexualized 😬
@Apple1996 Then they shouldn't really be sexualizing themselves. The thing is underaged girls are actually even more protected than underaged boys that just a little "stare" at them can get someone in trouble even if they have no intentions of being a creep. It's also like this, try grabbing a teenage guy's butt, almost no one would care unless it's vice versa. With that being said, that's pretty much a good reason to have dress codes if people worry about underage girls so much. And you know, it's not even just girls who have dress codes. Guys have them too and they seem to be wearing the same thing everyday. Why can't you do it?
@Aiko_E_Lara if you can't handle seeing a girl in a shortskirt than your not a man as it's only legs that we're mentioning here... girls wear skirts however short or long it doesn't matter.
@chrissykerdock It's thesame that i can't handle seeing a guy wearing any of those things. Also let me ask you. when was the last time you actually so a guy wearing a mini skirt/short shorts, yoga pant/crop tops or any of your "showing of my skin" outfits in class? Also if it doesn't matter, then you shouldn't be screaming if someone accidentally touched your asses. Man up then if you want that privilege.
@Aiko_E_Lara they aren't sexualizing themselves. Don't think teenage girls plan for their outfits so they can look like whores
They're just trying to look cute. And boys use to get in trouble at my school for wearing tank tops all the time so it does go both ways
@chrissykerdock "if you can't handle seeing a girl in a shortskirt than your not a man" It's also just like saying if you can't protect a girl getting harassed then you're not a man. You know, I'm not around babysitting you all the time. So it's also your responsibility to take precaution. Don't tell me you're just gonna leave your purse open in a bench when you have to use the restroom. Sure you can do that but you can't guarantee that all people wouldn't steel it.
@Apple1996 whover said a man or anyone has the right to touch your ass or us at all if we're wearing a shortskirt... also guys don't wear skirts at least normal guys... and i don't see wearing a shortskirt as a problem... guys should wear long pants because that's what society dictates
@Apple1996 If they aren't then they should actually just follow the rules? Like how hard is it? Also why shouldn't we call them "whorey" when whores does wear something revealing as well? And yes boys wearing tank tops getting in trouble isn't my concern. I'm not even just making the dress codes strict for just girls only. Might as well go back to wearing uniforms which is much better.
@Apple1996 i mean that response for aiko... i don't see where guys get rights just because girls wear shortskirts
@chrissykerdock for real ain't nobody should be touching anyone's ass especially in a public setting like school. Doesn't matter what clothes they are wearing
@chrissykerdock So where did I say a man has the rights to touch their asses? I even did mention the fact that men or anyone can get in trouble for "staring" at an underage but did I say that's a problem? Just simply pointing out your privilege before you go whine about how "unfair" dress codes are
@Aiko_E_Lara there's nothing wrong with a girl wearing a shortskirt... and a man boy never has the right to touch a girl because she's wearing something short... no ass-slaps especially
@chrissykerdock Ok if there's nothing wrong with it then there's nothing wrong if the security system will stop babysitting you just as much. You're still ignoring my point about precaution which everyone should know about
@Aiko_E_Lara clothes can't make someone a whore like they're literally just clothes
@Apple1996 Yeah NO ONE should be touching anyone asses just like NO ONE should be steeling a purse. But the thing is, who ever does it just don't care. Again precaution but if you wanna overlook that simple responsibility then consequence comes and you SHOULDN"T be surprised.
@Apple1996 Oh yeah? then whore is literally just a word. Then what?
@Apple1996 absolutely right about that there was a guy above calling them whores... not really the case... it's clothes... if a guy looks he looks but he doesn't get to touch us.
@chrissykerdock Yeah whore is just a word if that's the case. If you like using that argument, that argument can be anything. Harassment is just an act, jail is just a room, etc etc.
@Aiko_E_Lara let's be real a girl who wears a miniskirt isn't exactly or if at all hurting anyone... no damage done at all.
@chrissykerdock Then lets be real. Anyone in for the dress code isn't exactly giving creeps the rights to harass. Also, you may not know how clothes can subconsciously attract creeps increasing your odds of getting gropped which is a very big issue and no one like being liable to that because again, we're not babysitting you 24/7
@Aiko_E_Lara whore is just a word but we shouldn't be saying that about underage kids like I don't care if someone calls me that but not acceptable for kids
@Apple1996 Then you shouldn't dress up something that resembles whores. You're literally the one who started that "just" argument. So why is it any different to use "just" to justify calling kids whore to using "just" to justify your clothing?
Also this, being kicked out for not following the dress code is just a punishment. Dress codes are just rules.
@Apple1996 Also this, what if it's not an adult groping your teen girls? What if it's a teen guy who just had their puberty? Sure I'd definitely agree that they shouldn't have the rights to do that and their hormones aren't an excuse but you should at least know how horny guys can get on their puberty and how hard can controlling it can be. So not only you're not taking precaution but you're also giving teen guys a hard time and of course you wouldn't know because you've never been one. Just like how we have to understand your moods swings, why can't you do the same for guys?
@Aiko_E_Lara wearing a shortskirt doesn't make you a whore... and people even young kids should be able to handle themselves and not touch girls because they think she's wearing a shortskirt she should be touched... we are free people and we should be able to dress as we want you must have respect for girls... now your going to another tagent and it's about lack of respect and control... no one ever said shortskirts are for whores... i mean that's really crazy thinking.
There is a difference between a whore and "whorey". Being a whore is being a whore and being whorey is trying to resemble one. It's like the millionth time you keep putting words on people's mouth so again tell me where i said it's actually ok for guys to grab girls? Tell me and i'm waiting. That is literally you're only argument to actually try to make it an illusion as if people had been justifying rapists. Your rape culture agenda has been debunked multiple times
If you like to see you are free people then the school should freely just suspend you. You're not the only one with rights here. Its the school's rights to make those rules
@Aiko_E_Lara girls have a right to wear shortskirts
i wear shortskirts am i a whore?
Well i'm not going to lie you look whorey. If you say you have the rights to wear short skirts then the school has the rights to make dress codes
@Apple1996 This behavior is a gateway to whoring.
The ladies on this post are all correct. We should empower women. Empower them to be the biggest whores they can be. Yeaaaaaa whoredom.
All kidding aside, I love girls who dress like little sluts. Makes it easier to figure out which girls are for relationships and which ones are for pumping and dumping.
@rad
Miss, you too are a whore with your fake lips.
@Exterminatore Bingo!
@chrissykerdock If you dress like a whore, then people will perceive you as one. Plain and simple. You can complain and say "well, wearing a shortskirt doesn't make you a whore". Perhaps thats true because you don't engage in the activities of what makes someone a whore, but if you carry yourself out in the world (like in your profile picture), then people will perceive you as a whore or a slut. Don't like it? Then carry yourself in a more reserved and respectable fashion. What we project out to the world is how we'll be perceived, and ultimately how we will be treated.
As for respect: respect is earned, not given. Nobody respects whores, so you will be wise to avoid walking around like one. Seems like the concepts of accountability & common sense are foreign to you.
@TruthBringer i really don't think wearing a shortskirt makes you a whore... as it's the fashion style... and think about it legs... legs are all your seeing... they become very normalized quickly... girls are girls... and nobody ever said because you wear a shortskirt your looking for sex... nobody ever said that... some of you guys sound like your from midevil times.
But then again when was the last time you normally see guys wearing short shorts/skirts/yoga pants in school? Even if it is a style, people still have societal standards. So if you like to say we sound like people from medieval times when you sound like someone from prehistoric times not wearing anything at all and if that's the case you might as well just live out in the wilds if you can't stand societal standards.
@chrissykerdock Read again what I said. I'm pretty sure I was very clear with my point, which seems to have flown right over your head. Or, you're deliberately trying to misinterpret that which I said and resorted to a strawman to retaliate. What you just said and what I said are two completely different things.
@TruthBringer you called me a whore and call girls who wear shortskirts whores... i'm out of this discussion... you guys don't get wearing a shortskirt doesn't make you a whore... most girls who wear shortskirts probably never had sex.
@chrissykerdock I didn't call you a whore, genius. Your gaslighting won't work with me. I said if you carry yourself like a whore, people perceive you as such. And the reality is that if you wear a miniskirt (especially the way you do in your profile picture), people will most definitely think you are a whore. That's on you, sweetheart. But since you're putting words in my mouth anyway, I can wholeheartedly say you're indeed giving major whore vibes based on the questions you ask (giving BJs on first dates) and your pictures. No wonder you're already assuming it. Daddy must be proud.
Girls who wear skirts like you do, are most definitely not virgins.
@Aiko_E_Lara Exactly right. And you don't hear guys complaining about dress codes.
@TruthBringer Bam! What he said!
@chrissykerdock "I'm out of this discussion"...😂😂😂😂. My heart be still, the little tramp is withdrawing her oh-so-valuable contribution to humanity!😆😆🤡🤡
@KrakenAttackin Don't forget: promiscuous woman detected, opinion rejected 🤣
@TruthBringer She sure is. It's funny how whores get upset when you call them out. Once again, women and accountability are like oil and water.
I believe that they should maintain the dress code policy. Most adults also have to follow a dress code for work some even have to wear uniforms. You can wear whatever you want when you're off school/work.
Yess it is stupid for girls to have to get sent home for wearing revealing clothing. If the school actually cared about the girl learning they wouldn't do that
If girls actually cared about learning, they wouldn't complain about a dress code. They'd just keep their mouths shut and show up to learn. But, no, being able to flash their body part as if it's a fashion show matters more to them than learning.
@Wraith_Cemetery some literally just don't have a choice on how they dress cuz of being poor, not having a lot of clothing options, not having other clean clothes to wear like it's not all about fashion
@Apple1996 Hahahahah, seriously? I grew up on a poor farm. None of the girls in our neighbourhood had a problem finding appropriate clothes.
Some of the most rich people on Earth dress the worst.
Wow. I thought sending girls home for dress code was a thing of the past.
@Wraith_Cemetery I know I had a issue with it cuz I didn't have many clothes cuz of being poor. Even got dress coded a few times while I was pregnant in high-school. Had to tell them off cuz I was trying to avoid clothes for myself. Didn't have the time to worry about my own clothes and was just focused on graduating
In my school the poor students were gifted uniforms. Msbooblover has a good point that it orevent discrimination and distinction from poor and rich. Nobody notices if you wear the same uniform everyday
The only change would be skirt or pants. That you could choose between the two. Other then that there should be no change. These uniforms are there for a reason. It get people of all kind down to the similar level.
There has to be rules. Young girls will always push the boundaries to the limit. I taught in schools some that required uniforms others that didn't.
No. And it's not even just girls who have dress codes. The thing is you girls just have so many fashion option that you feel so entitled if that privilege is taken away from you.
Also let me ask you. When was the last time you actually saw a guy wearing a mini skirt/short shorts, yoga pant/crop tops or any of your "showing of my skin" outfits?
I mean in class
Exactly. Girls always whine about "sexist dress codes" but it's the girls who are constantly pushing boundaries and showing off the most skin. Guys have been wearing the same shit for decades (tees, jeans hoodies). Girls, however, are now walking around in yoga pants so tight you can see their vagina, crop tops so short it barely covers their breasts, shorts so short that their arsecheeks poke out. Next they'll be attempting to go to class in bikinis.
Yes, absolutely. Girls should not be penalized for how guys react or feel about their appearances, and doubly so for insinuating that minors are too sexually provocative with their clothing. Let people dress how they want.
Yes. They should be allowed to dress like whores in and out of school.
School dress codes should demand a uniform. Schools shouldn't be concerned with self-expression.
It has to apply to both sexes, not just girls. I've always thought they should allow shoulders to show at least but that's about it.
Probably not. There are no shortage of examples of young girls who've gone to school half naked. And while I'm all for that in adult women, it's probably not good for a developing youth.
No it’s restricts both genders men can’t wear revealing stuff either. There are certain clothes men can’t wear either.
No. Heck no, if the dress code applies across the board.
Yes, more tank tops, short shorts and sports bras.
Technically, if they're public schools funded by federal tax dollars, they're supposed to abide by the US Constitution and Federal laws
I think government-run schools should be abolished and private ones should have whatever rules they want.
Yes. Both genders should have dress codes not just girls as both are children. Stop overly sexualizing women all the time
Of course it should when I was in school I hated it
I'd say make all students wear slacks and a shirt.
Um, Sure but then we will need to make another Code for when boys be boys
So the girls would get more options but the boys would still only have one yeah that's freedom and fair and by no means favoritism
Wait a second are you referring to school uniforms are are you talking about everyday average clothes if its the latter than what the fuck are you talking about even way back in my day girls had freedom to wear whatever they wanted as long as there was no nudity they couldn't wear provocative lingerie you are going to school not a party at the playboy mansion have a little dignity for petes sake
I think women should dress appropriate for their weight. Many less men would be trying to claw their own eyes out
I think if a girl wants to go to school looking like a slut she should be treated like it. Everyone should violate her and fuck, maybe rape her.
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Girls should be able to wear whatever they want.
I think laws for public decency are sufficient enough. Dress codes are stupid.
Well, at most of the schools I have seen the dress codes are mostly theoretical.
I think school dress codes are ridiculous it’s free speech violation
You're on someone else's property (the school). Free speech dictates that the property can have its own rules. Wear whatever you want in your own house and on the street.
@Wraith_Cemetery not if it’s a public school (which I was assuming it was) that’s public propert. I moved to USA as a girl you guys need to understand what you have and protect it
I'm curious to. Know a bit more on why you would like there to be more freedom? What do you think the issues are with the current restrictions?
No. Girls will just try to out-slut each other.
Truth.
We need to go back to requiring girls to wear dresses (like prior to the late 60's)
What freedom do you want?
I agree with you
The USA should adopt school uniforms.
Why should they be?
Dont girls dress whorish enough as it is?
Nope
No i don't
Absolutely!
No..
Not at all.
Yes!
No lol
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