Why I'm Strongly Against Veganism: I'm Tired of the Lectures, For One Thing

[bente2]

Let me start off by saying everybody has their beliefs and I accept you want to live by them. That's fine. This MyTake is not about me ranting- it's about me explaining my opinion.

I know many vegetarians and vegans, all of whom have explained me why they live the way they do. One thinks it's sad for the animals, another says the vegan diet is good for you, and so forth. All are invalid reasons in my opinion.

Yes, it's sad for the animals but instead of eating only plants, why not be vegetarian or consume less or biological meat? The animals have already been slaughtered, so I see no point in stopping to eat meat instead of improving the slaughtering conditions and eating less meat. Humans are omnivores after all, and just like our ancestor the primate we need some meat in our system. Why else would we have those canines?

The vegan diet has proved to lead to a decrease of heart disease, but in many cases to malnourishment as well. I read an article the other day about parents raising their child vegan, it was almost a year old and weighed what a three month old should've weighed.

That's sad, and abuse. This isn't the first case, it's one of many. People raising their children vegan, forcing their beliefs on them, or even feeding their dogs and cats an all vegan diet!! Most vegans don't even think about the needs of a human or other animal, and switch straight to veganism without doing proper research or consulting a dietist. (Which I think is a great way of finding good info when you want to have a major eating switch) These people are just guessing the vegan diet is healthy and like it because it doesn't harm the animals..

I've even heard of women not wanting to breastfeed their child but feeding it soy milk instead, even though a baby clearly, especially in the first months, needs the fats in breastmilk to grow.

Even adults have to deal with veganism being stuffed down their throat. Many meat eaters get lectured by vegans, even though they remain a healthy lifestyle.

Because of the ignorance people have towards veganism, many lack proper nutrition. People don't research it, force their beliefs on others, including children and animals, therefore abusing them. So that's why I don't like vegans.

[Jxpxtxr]

Omg this is so much ignorance in one post.. I actually believe this is the most arrogant and ignorant thing I've read in a while here.

"The animals have already been slaughtered, so I see no point in stopping to eat meat instead of improving the slaughtering conditions and eating less meat."

Are you really incapable of seeing how not eating any meet would eventually have a large impact on the meat industry and whether or not and how many animals are slaughtered per year?

" Humans are omnivores after all, and just like our ancestor the primate we need some meat in our system. Why else would we have those canines?"

No, it has already been proven that humans do NOT need meat in their system and they in fact increase their life expectancy by not consuming meat.

You know, instead of bashing vegetarians and vegans for being ethical and empathetic human beings and defending your own obsession with meat, you should have kept this short and just said "I love eating meat because it tastes good" because that is the only legit "justification" there is for humans to eat meat in this day and age.

[bente2]

I'm not against vegetarians. They still get protein by eating eggs etc.

Only eating biological meat would also have an impact on the meat industry. Fact is just that there'll always be meat eaters for the enjoyment.

Humans need some sort of protein to gain iton and certain vitamins. The easiest (and most accessable) eay of gaining those are eating meat.

Sure, there are other ways but they're harder to access as well as maintain.

[Jxpxtxr]

"Humans need some sort of protein to gain iton and certain vitamins. The easiest (and most accessable) eay of gaining those are eating meat."

That's where you're wrong again, Greek yoghurt, Milk, Eggs, Cheese & whey all contain more protein than meat does. If you don't believe me, check this article out: www.bodybuilding.com/.../...igh-protein-foods.html

I get that you might not agree with veganism or the fact that it's being on the rise at the moment but keep in mind that you're actually constantly stuffing your believes and convenience down their throat by eating and selling meat everywhere, this complaint is legit like those people saying "gay people are soooo forcing their believes down our throat!" and I'm sorry if you can't see how that might be annoying to any gay person who is being confronted with straight 'propaganda' 24/7 but in the case of veganism it's literally the same.

[Jxpxtxr]

And I even agree with you that it's not 100% healthy in the long run but a meat based diet is by all means not healthy in the long run either.

[bente2]

*psssst: vegans don't consume dairy or eggs either*

I don't think gays and vegans are the same. They are incomparable and you do not need any education on gays other than it's okay to be gay and you should accept them, while veganism is a harder concept to grasp and many people fail at it.

I'm not saying a meat diet is healthy either, but consuming meat twice or trice weekly is good for you and won't require you to eat any supplements.

[Jxpxtxr]

"I'm not saying a meat diet is healthy either, but consuming meat twice or trice weekly is good for you and won't require you to eat any supplements."

Nope, it's literally not any better for you than not consuming any meat at all.

And unfortunately you didn't understand that I wasn't comparing veganism to homosexuality but merely jused that as an example to show that the ignorant stance so many people hold on it just doesn't work for either of the two.

[Jxpxtxr]

*used

[bente2]

Not consuming meat would require someone to eat supplements. Therefore, eating meat does the same as those supplements.

You cannot live on a meatless diet without any supplements.

[Careless_Whisper]

"You cannot live on a meatless diet without any supplements."

I don't eat meat, haven't for years, and don't take supplements. So clearly you are pulling stuff out of your ass, which is typical of meat eaters.

[bente2]

@Careless_Whisper supplements include those expensive seed shit you mentioned.

[Careless_Whisper]

Most of these seeds are cheap, much cheaper than meat. Idiot.

[Jxpxtxr]

Yeah, I wonder how all the vegetarians are surviving and actually living healthier than meat eaters without any supplements..

[Klister]

When you aren't vegan you dont realise the extent to which protein is available in plant based food. I easily without fail get 1 gram per pound of body weight in protein, more so when I go to the gym. But people have it in their heads that animals protein is more common and superior? Wonder who put that in their heads!!!

[Fathoms77]

Yeah, this is what happens when anything gets trendy, you know? Millions jump on board without really knowing enough about it.

I say if you want to be vegetarian or vegan, go right ahead. My father has been a vegetarian for years and he has the blood pressure and cholesterol of a relatively well-conditioned 40-year-old (and he turns 66 this year). I understand the benefits and yes, you certainly can eat a solid meatless diet provided you know what you're doing.

On the flip side, saying I'm ruining the planet or I'm an animal-hater because I eat meat is beyond absurd, and I don't even dignify such accusations with a response. :)

[FallOutBoy2001]

Thank you!

I went to Warped yesterday and the vegans were there. They were actually cool with me being a vegitarian who got my milk and eggs from responsibly raised animals. I think most of them are upset over how horrible some animals are treated in order for us to have food, when there is clearly a much more humane way to do it.

[adquidorator]

"I know many vegetarians and vegans, all of whom have explained me why they live the way they do. One thinks it's sad for the animals, another says the vegan diet is good for you, and so forth. All are invalid reasons in my opinion."
Given that we now KNOW that birds and mammals suffer like we do it is no less valid than arguing against cannibalism because it makes people suffer.

"The animals have already been slaughtered, so I see no point in stopping to eat meat instead of improving the slaughtering conditions and eating less meat."
Because by buying the meat you create a demand for it.

"Humans are omnivores after all, and just like our ancestor the primate we need some meat in our system. Why else would we have those canines?"
Good question, why don't you ask this guy
aveganinprogress.files.wordpress.com/.../...wn.jpg

"but in many cases to malnourishment as well. I read an article the other day about parents raising their child vegan, it was almost a year old and weighed what a three month old should've weighed."
Yeah because meat eating children never get malnourished, right.

"That's sad, and abuse. This isn't the first case, it's one of many. People raising their children vegan, forcing their beliefs on them, or even feeding their dogs and cats an all vegan diet!!"
What happens in the meat industry is nothing short of abuse and you wanna talk about forcing your beliefs on others? How about you forcing your belief that satisfying your taste buds can justify taking the life of a sentient creature on the animal. You want people to stop forcing their beliefs on others, start by not forcing yours on the animals.

"Most vegans don't even think about the needs of a human or other animal, and switch straight to veganism without doing proper research or consulting a dietist."
Source?

"I've even heard of women not wanting to breastfeed their child but feeding it soy milk instead, even though a baby clearly, especially in the first months, needs the fats in breastmilk to grow."
Where have you heard this?

"Even adults have to deal with veganism being stuffed down their throat. Many meat eaters get lectured by vegans, even though they remain a healthy lifestyle."
No one is stuffing anything down your throat but your dietary habits drive a knife into an animals throat and slash it. That's like saying anti rape advocates force their beliefs into a rapists' genitals. It's a false equivalence when an action has a victim.

[bente2]

The breastmilk story was from my own village, a woman didn't want to feed her child ANY milk produced by an animal or herself, she fed the child soy milk.

My source is the vegan people I've met, the craze that's been going around lately. There are proper vegans that know their shit, I'm aware, but they're scarse. I've yet to meet one other than online.

[adquidorator]

Again, that's anecdotal

[SnatchFinderGeneral]

Cannibalism doesn't make people suffer. Lol. SMH.

It's just considered revolting and disrespectful.

It's the act of murder that must precede cannibalism that may or may not cause suffering, but the suffering is of secondary importance to the ending of life.

The ending of the life of an animal is not equal to the ending of a human life.

So right off the bat, your argument is majorly flawed.

[Octavius]

Do you have any idea the absurd amount of bugs gorilla's eat on a daily basis? The vegan argument about gorilla's is just silly. Plus we don't have the digestive system they do to be able to absorb what they can. We achieve the same through cooked foods. Our digestive system is very different from most other mammals.

[adquidorator]

@Octavius Some gorillas eat bugs others don't BUT they consume no where near the quantity of meat that we do.

[Anonymous]

As women have migrated from the kitchen to the cubicle, we are left with processed fast food and vacuum packed microwave meals. Vegetarian diet is being pushed or downright forced to our children and every last food item at the supermarket is packed with soy that will fuck up your hormones. To make matters worse, many a man doesn’t know how to cook nutritious and tasty meat at home. This article will give a step-by-step guide on how to prepare a juicy beefsteak.
The benefits of eating beef are numerous: Not only does it provide high-quality protein for building muscle but also packs cholesterol, the building block of testosterone. It is also a natural source of creatine, which is well proven to enhance sports performance. Finally, embracing your position at the top of the food chain tastes delicious.
The beef
”Closest to the bone, sweeter is the meat” – Louis Prima sang about the similarities between meats and women.
While you do not need Kobe beef to succeed, the general guideline is simple: the better the quality of the meat, the better the steak. The quality then depends on a variety of factors like the cut, the level of marbling, and aging. The cut for a good steak is always loin. Tenderloin is the better part and sirloin is the lesser. The T-bone and porterhouse steaks have a slice of both connected by a T-shaped bone. Vicinity to a bone is always good. It will add to the flavor.
Well aged quality beef is maroon with creamy marbling, not rosy red and evenly colored.
Marbling is the fatty tissue spreading throughout the muscle. The cross section of well marbled beef is full of tiny fat channels that make the steak juicy and tasty. Aging, on the other hand, will tenderize the meat. Wet-aged beef is more common, but dry-aged is a little more flavorful. Also young age of the cattle and little physical activity equal to better quality. In short, the best steaks come from young beef cattle with extensive marbling and a long period of dry-aging, and the worst ones from old dairy cattle with no marbling and little wet-aging.
What else you’ll need
We will fry the steak on a pan. While a carbon steel skillet will do, your best bet is cast iron with its superior heat capacity. Coated skillets can’t take the temperatures needed. A meat thermometer ensures the steak is cooked to our liking. For seasoning you’ll need freshly ground black pepper and salt, preferably sea salt for some healthy minerals.

[Opinion Owner]

Frying the steak with butter will add taste and a beautiful color. A little oil prevents the butter from burning.
What about those world-famous steak rubs, secret recipes of which every restaurant prides themselves on? Understand that they are merely a marketing strategy. Barring salt and pepper, a good steak needs no spices.
Preparation
It is important to take the beef out of the fridge early enough to make sure it is room temperature throughout before we start cooking. Cold meat will leak its juices out when cooked.
If you have a tenderloin or a sirloin, it usually still has a membrane that must be removed. You will identify the white membrane by the fibers it has running to the direction of the loin. Simply stick a sharp knife under it and slide the blade along the membrane to remove it. Do not touch the white lumps on the backside. Those are fat. If you have a T-bone or a porterhouse steak, it suffices to trim off excess fat if there is any, that being layers more than...

[Opinion Owner]

... quarter of an inch thick.
The T-bones and porterhouse steaks we buy are usually individual, but the loins must be sliced. Go for thick steaks, for sirloin 2” and for tenderloin 3”. No baby portions here. Remember always to cut against the grain.
Give the steaks enough time to warm up. I aim for two hours, just to make sure. Right before frying, season them heavily on both sides with salt and pepper. Salt will absorb moisture, so never add it too soon.
Cooking
Heat up the cast iron skillet very hot. This is needed to fry the surface of the steak quickly, sealing it and trapping the juices inside. On low heat the meat would boil.
When the skillet is hot, add a knob of butter and a little oil. Adding the butter too early will give it time to burn. Place one or two steaks on the skillet. Too many steaks and the pan will cool down. Now, let the steak be. Don’t press it down. Fry all the surfaces...

[bente2]

No one cares about cooling steak, this is about veganism.

[Opinion Owner]

This should take a little less than a minute per side. It is no problem if the corners burn a little.
Stick the probe of your meat thermometer in the middle of the steak (don’t let it touch bone) and place it in the oven in 250-300°F. If your skillet is all-metal, go ahead and throw it into the oven with the steak on it.
Cook till 125°F for rare, or 140°F for medium. Then wrap the steak with aluminum foil and let it rest for 10-15 minutes in room temperature before serving. Cooking releases the delicious juices. If we were to cut into the steak right away, all of that would leak out.
Sides, gravies, and drinks
Basically a steak is enough as it is. Perhaps with a leaf of parsley on top. Still, for a man-sized appetite it is best to complement the meat with some carbs. Time everything properly and you will have the whole feast done at the exact same minute.

[Opinion Owner]

Start the meal preparation with a side of scalloped potatoes. You will need two and a half pounds of thinly sliced white potatoes, three cups of heavy cream, a minced garlic bulb or two, and salt and pepper. Stack the potato slices on an oven tray about two inches high with layers of garlic and spices between. When done, pour in the cream. Bake in the oven in 400°F for two hours. This dish will stay warm for a while, giving you the time to cook the steaks.
A steak doesn’t really need a gravy, but if you mess up the beef, you can try to disguise it under a coat of other flavors. Prepare the gravy while the steaks are resting. Heat up the liquid left on the skillet and add heavy cream, mustard sauce, black pepper, and salt if needed. Let the gravy boil down a little for an even tan color.
If you are somewhat bourgeois and want to have a glass of red wine, suit yourself. I’ve always found that the perfect companion for a steak is a cold beer. The great thing about a steak is its versatil

[Opinion Owner]

If you are somewhat bourgeois and want to have a glass of red wine, suit yourself. I’ve always found that the perfect companion for a steak is a cold beer or a good pint of stout or ale. The great thing about a steak is its versatility. Whether you serve a filet mignon with Cabernet Sauvignon wine or a T-bone with a pint of Guinness or a cold bottle corona, the cooking process is the same.
Who to cook it for
There’s nothing worse than an unappreciative guest. Never cook a steak for those who would rather have a jar of Ben & Jerry’s. Cook for people who are worthy of it. A small family gathering or an evening with your closest buddies is the right occasion.

[Opinion Owner]

Learning to cook is the most important skill you can learn if you want to attract a good husband unless you want to be left on the shelf at aged thirty.
A good woman would say "of course I cook. It is a woman’s responsibility.”
An feminist woman would say: “Of course I cook. But it’s not my job to cook for a man. What are my best recipes? Well, I make a mean box of Kraft Mac ‘n Cheese. I’m also quite talented with Lean Cuisines, and know the Domino’s delivery number by heart.”
A traditional girl cooked me an egg soup on our third date—a recipe passed down from her grandmother. It was delicious. Later that week, she invited me over for cake and wine. She and her roommates made three different types of cake for my friend and me to sample.
Traditional girls take real pride in knowing domestic skills like cooking. The best thing in the world is when they shoo you out of the kitchen and tell you that is not a man’s place.

[bente2]

Uhm, I'm a feminist and I learned to cook because I love cooking. So does my dad, because he's not a discriminating, sexist fucking pig like you. I'm not even sorry for thinking you deserve to burn.

[Opinion Owner]

Your dad knows it will help you find a husband when you drop finally drop thr feminism nonsense
. he's a good father

[bente2]

No bevause my father actually has a brain. Lie in a ditch and die. Bye.

[Opinion Owner]

Yep if you could learn to sow, iron and knit that might help you in your search for a husband as well.

[FallOutBoy2001]

Hey I can't do any and I'm in a relationship (which has been going on for over a year) so yeah maybe not

[Opinion Owner]

@FallOutBoy2001 yet no engagement ring.

[iwillansweryoutruly]

Everyone on this planet dislikes something. Yeah, I eat meat but I love animals and it pains me to think about the horrible conditions they are raised in, and the chemicals most animals are fed to increase their output/worth. I still eat meat, though, because I'm selfish and it tastes great. Plus, I tend to skew anemic, so I need protein in vast quantities to sustain my life (iron pills cause a host of other issues, and protein from nut sources, etc, isn't feasible on a daily basis unless I never want to shit again).

Sure, it'd be GREAT if slaughtering was no longer going on. But the sad reality is, the way this world is structured, with economic strata (poverty to wealthy) and the cheapness of readily available groceries and fast food, the only true way to eliminate slaughter and the raping of this world is cataclysmic destruction of the human race, with only small pockets of people left alive to go back to sustenance and communal living.

So bitch away. Doesn't change anything.

[Anonymous]

Yeah slavery is bad for humans, but instead of being an abolitionists, why not just one slave instead of many, and only beat them occasionally instead of every day? Why strive to be ethical, when you can be "mostly" ethical?

When is the ridiculous canines argument going to stop? Canines do not automatically = need to eat meat. We do not need MEAT, we need NUTRIENTS that happen to be found in meat, but ALSO can be found in other sources.
https://i.imgur.com/rDrDwDP.jpg

Cats can't be vegan, but dogs can. Bramble, a 27 year old dog is vegan.

Vegan diet is perfectly healthy for people of all stages of life. The few cases you hear about are retards who feed their kids soy milk and salds, or just not enough food. But let's conveniently ignore the 100s-1000s of kids that get hospitalized from malnutrition or obesity that aren't even vegan right? WOmen who feed their kids soy milk instead of breast milk are also idiots.
https://i.imgur.com/yaax0u3.jpg

Vegans are forcing their views on others? Yeah, because non vegans totally don't do that.
https://i.imgur.com/6aBYide.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/OPZyVbC.jpg

[Opinion Owner]

by the way, I thought all the same things you did before. After watching this, very few people can look at animals the same again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3j0LyysECA

[bente2]

The only thing I'm going to respond to is the dog thing. Dogs can't be vegan. They just can't. My uncle has been a veternarian (not sure I wrote that correctly) for over 20 years, and has seen one or two dogs that were 'raised vegan'. They had kidney failure, heart and stomach problems, were lethargic etc. Dogs are CARNIVORES. The only reason they became more omnivorous is because of domestication. Their body needs the meat. They can't just live on plants, their stomach doesn't have the enzymes for just plants which are hard to digest for them.
Also, why would you force YOUR beliefs on an animal?

[Opinion Owner]

So your uncle knew for a fact that it was the diet that did that? Because dogs can get those problems without a vegan diet.
And where the dogs eating a well formulated dog food, or where they just eating strictly vegetables?

Explain the 27 year old vegan dog. And other old vegan dogs doing just dine. And other vets tha say it's ok.
www.care2.com/.../...n-dog-lives-to-189-years.html
https://thebark.com/content/vegan-dogs
www.vetstreet.com/.../to-feed-or-not-to-feed-meat-one-vets-take-on-vegetarian-dog-diets

[bente2]

There's alao vets that don't say it's okay, as well as dog experts. Just because a handful of people says it's okay doesn't make it okay, since most of the fucking others tell you it's not okay.

[cavmanier]

I disagree with you. I don't know if the vegan diet is perfect, but it is usually much more healthy than the average western diet. That's not even close in my opinion 😐

Humans and the other primates do not really need meat in order to survive. Maybe some chimps do, but that's not because they need nutrition for the meat. Chimps have mostly been seen eating meat when fruit and vegetables aren't around or the dry season. It's really not their preference from what I understand.

Our canines really aren't for killing animals with. Have you ever seen or heard of a person in any context killing an animal or even using them to intimidate? We barely have canines. Gorillas are much bigger and they don't use them to hunt with.
zinedinevegane.files.wordpress.com/.../canines.jpg

Hippos don't eat meat either yet
freefromharm.org/.../...erbivore-Canine-Teeth1.jpg

No one really knows for sure what the healthiest diet is. There are lots of vegans than think it's the healthiest diet and there is some evidence to support that possibility.

They may think their diet is the healthiest option for their children which is their decision just like what you would choose to feed your kids.

[Plantshaveproteintoo]

First off veganism is far from shaved down proles throats, meat eating and diary is everyday in every medium by nearly everyone. Vegans and animal activist have to fight against that to get our points across which are not opinions they are facts, cold hard facts. The fact that people become malnourished is because they don't eat enough and could be a little in the dark as to what they can ear what they can cook and what nutrients is in their food, the answer there is to do your research first. The bare fact is being vegan can help solve many problems we have in the world today all it takes is for people to stop fighting for their personal choice which is rubbish because if it were personal you'd ask the animal the animals don't have a choice in the matter therefore it is not personal choice but prole forcing their beliefs on those who are unable to fights your reasons for hating us aren't very nice and are founded on judgement instead of fact. We don't push we share, supermarkets and food corporations push meat and diary that's a fact.

[bradlazer]

What?

[bente2]

Veganism is plain stupid. I get you don't want to eat meat, whatever. Don't push it down my throat, I don't tell a person eating a salad 'you know that's really sad for the plants, eat steak instead like I do!!' Either. Vegans are a whole other idiotic lifestyle. Not eating eggs because the animals suffer? What?

[Klister]

My take owner you really have no idea what you are talking about and you obviously don't care about anyone other than yourself. To the point you find it weird that some people care for others. This is truly sad. And I wonder what kind of life you must have lived to become this way. Of course it's not sad for plants to be eaten, they don't cry or scream, feel pain or sadness... do you actually know what those things are?

[Anonymous]

Interesting article, however I disagree with some of the main points. The argument that "the animals have already been slaughtered..." doesn't justify eating up all the meat in the stores. If there was no market for meat, the slaughter would discontinue (in a perfect world). Secondly, the instance of the child with extreme malnourishment is horrendous, however it's one example. I'm sure we can find many examples of malnourishment of children on a 'normal' diet as well. Lastly the argument of parents forcing their views on children is absurd. Every parent inherently forces their views on their own children. Although I agree that people should be careful of the views imparted onto children, veganism in general promotes peace, empathy, and discipline. Are those not characteristics you would want for your own offspring? Also, are you not imparting violence and inequality when you 'force' your views of a carnivorous diet on your own offspring?
All in all, I think you need better vegan friends...

[crazy_eyes]

It's scientifically proven that you can raise perfectly healthy kids without meat in their diet. However, I do believe in the matter of choice- the kids should choose if they want to consume meat or not. My case was reversed- when I was a child, after I learned where meat comes from, I didn't want to eat meat at all. But my mom thought it was unhealthy so she forced me to. Then I turned 12 and I told her that I want to be a vegan and that she should respect my choice. Surprisingly, she did accept it.

[Klister]

Humans actually share all of their physiological traits with herbivorous animals. Intestinal size, jaw movement, and heat regulation method are 3 of many. Most animals of various nutritional requirements have canines including herbivores, in order to be able to lock food into their mouth. It might not surprised you to know that carnivorous animals have elongated, dagger shaped serrated canines, because as are yours? Since you're designed to eat meat? You may notice that is herbivores along with all others in the animal Kingdom can move our jaw side to side to grind food, unlike you meat eaters, such as yourself and lions can only move your jaw up and down, opening your mouth as wide as your face is, bet that helps you catch your prey. How nice for you. Oh wait, you don't catch your prey, you pay for someone to breed it into a half life, and kill it chop it up and pump it full of chemicals and antibiotics so it doesn't make you ill when you eat it COOKED.

Well I think for myself I'm vegan because I don't want to fund someone to make food unnatural to my anatomy and biology, in such a cruel and inhumane way. If you believe there is such a thing as humane slaughter then I guess if someone locked you away in a tiny cage, shot you through the front of the brain (paralyses, doesn't kill) hung you upside down and slit your throat and dismembered you that would be humane.

Or is humane NOT a universal concept in which we treat others how we wish to be treated.

How about YOU keep your extremist (albeit common) opinion to YOURSELF and let others sustain themselves naturally and ethically.

Ps vegans have no problem with human breast milk given that it is intended for humans the way cows milk is intended for calves. You clearly believe anything that meat unjustly tells you (Cause they love money) and take the piss out of vegans (Cause they love life)

[bradlazer]

You know what's the difference between humans and animals?

[MadisonKaye]

If you find the fact that a baby died 'cause the parents fed him only plants more humane, I don't know what to say...

[LittleSally]

What stood out the most is when I read they child of 1 year weighed what he/she should've when they were 3 months!!!

People are idiots. And vegans - the 'hardcore' 'I'm going to abuse my child with this too... not just myself' selfish individuals are the proof of that.

Good God.

This mytake was excellent!
Good job. =)

[helloitsmethere]

Have you also heard about the dog that died due to veganism?

[bente2]

@helloitsmethere yES OMG!

[LittleSally]

@helloitsmethere Yeah... that's sick...

[helloitsmethere]

@bente2 @LittleSally I flipped shit when I heard...

[Careless_Whisper]

I could easily say that feeding your child animal products in abuse because they are unhealthy. People today are just so braindead it is scary.

[Careless_Whisper]

@helloitsmethere No, but many people have died eating a high animal based diet.

[bente2]

@Careless_Whisper couldn't I say you're braindead as well? Following the vegan trend. You've your opinion and we've ours. Truth is, eating meat is the easiest way to gain protein.

[Careless_Whisper]

No it isn't. Protein from fruits, seeds, nuts, and leafy greens is the easiest way to get protein.

[bente2]

@Careless_Whisper oh god here we go again. NOT EVERYONE CAN AFFORT OR ACCESS THOSE FUCKING SUPPLEMENTS.

[Careless_Whisper]

Oh but they can afford to buy meat lol

[LittleSally]

@Careless_Whisper You need a lot more fruits, seeds and nuts to get the same amount of protein, so yeah, meat is cheaper...

Please... message her or something... if you're going to discuss this further. No spamming on my answer...

[Careless_Whisper]

You can now buy organic hemp protein powder. It's basically hemp seeds grinded into powder. Just a few scoops of this every day is more than enough protein hat your body needs. You don't have to eat meat.

[Careless_Whisper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsT74R9vOVE

[LittleSally]

@Careless_Whisper Not where I live... o. O
Only first world countries can 'afford to be vegan'.

[Careless_Whisper]

Not true. There is a woman who lives out in the wild and she has been living on just 1 orange a day for years.

[LittleSally]

@Careless_Whisper Hahaha Yeah... true story.

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[Careless_Whisper]

I don't care if you believe it or not.

[aamina_m]

A few years ago an infant in my city died at around 8 months old because it was malnourished. The parents were held accountable for the death of the baby.

I agree with you and I am not a vegetarian however I do try my best to only purchase meats, eggs, milk, etc from farms that treat animals well.

I love animals and although I did try being vegetarian when I was a teenager, I quickly found the diet was just not for me at all.

Bottom line - we are all animals - although we are an animal with a conscious... when all animals stop eating each other, then I'll stop eating them too.. but right now.. I love my steak lol. And in some countries human aren't exactly at the top of the food chain.

I do think eating LESS meat is healthy.. like red meat should be limited to one to two times per week.. and I do try to have 2 to 3 vegetarian/vegan days per week.

[Tealtop1]

Same page as you. How I see it is all these plants/fruits/veggies/grains SERVE A PURPOSE and a very big one in regards to the upkeep and function of the human body. Animal products (meat) has very high in iron, DHA and other fats, protein, creatine, B12 the list goes on. Many vegans argue to just take pills and supplements but I argue that if the body NEEDS it and animals provide it, then we were meant to eat them. It's not like nature intended for us to shovel down pills to survive.

And yes, we as a whole need to cut our meat consumption in half if not more. Don
t get rid of meat all together but just eat way less.

[Anonymous]

The only part I disagree with is "the animal is slaughtered anyway so who cares." That doesn't make it right. There are butcher shops and organic free range meats you can buy that are a lot more humane than shoving 500 chickens in a small cage for their entire lives. I eat meat, but I'm very much against animal cruelty. Vegans believe that if enough people are vegan, there will no longer be slaughter houses which is a very kind thing to think. I choose not to buy products tested on animals in the hopes that animal testing will cease to exist.

[bente2]

Have you read what I said after? I'm against animal cruelty.

[Anpu23]

Let's start with the fact that I am a vegetarian and have been for 25 years. I am a martial artists, a long distance runner, and a yoga practitioner. I have ran upto 30 miles, I am 6'0" and weigh in at roughly 210 lbs From my last physical I have average blood pressure, a runners resting heart rate, good blood work, in short I am healthy.

I am not preachy about my vegetarianism, nor do I really care about your diet. I do believe that vegetarian is more healthy then a carnivorous diet, and I do believe that the force stocking of cattle is not good for the environment. But I have done my research, and I do know what I am speaking about. Humans do fine on a strict vegetarian diet, and can do well on a pure vegan diet.

[bente2]

Vegetarians are not as much of my concern as vegans. Veganism has to be supplemented, often with medicine with I think isn't exactly going back to a human's nature. You can support your diet with eggs snd milk, vegans don't.

[Anpu23]

The only nutrient that vegans can not get are complex B vitamins and a good non meat source is beer.

[lime_rampljuset]

There are two kinds of veganism: true veganism, which is a lifestyle that has existed for years, and whose practitioners don't go preaching about it, they live by example. And the veganism by trend, the one that appeared few years ago, and the one most people know about due to their practitioners lecturing about it; this one has ruined the meaning of being vegan, due to people being ignorant and just following a trend.

There are many cultures that have been vegan for centuries, and they don't lack nutrition, they even live longer and healthier lives than us. And they have never fo fed others and their animals to do so.

Next time you see a vegan by trend, tell them to stop faking it and to stop being vegans just because everyone else is doing it.

[Sabretooth]

agreed. and speaking of the peta and animal rights, i'll like to show these statistics of animals who are NOT killed for fun: Homeless animals outnumber homeless people 5 to 1. Each year, approximately 2.7 million dogs and cats are killed every year because shelters are too full and there aren't enough adoptive homes. Act as a publicist for your local shelter so pets can find homes.
notice how these these are just the ones in shelters before they end up in shelters-Approximately 7.6 million companion animals enter animal shelters nationwide every year. Of those, approximately 3.9 million are dogs and 3.4 million are cats. Each year, approximately 2.7 million animals are euthanized (1.2 million dogs and 1.4 million cats).
combine those numbers to the 200 million animals killed by hunters for sport, and you have two hundred six million six hundred thousand
animals that are killed and tortured for fun or for crowd control.

[djvtech]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o3QopK4WV8

[mmccann570]

And vegans are tired of meat eaters bashing them and calling them extreme if veganism even comes up in conversation. I don't know any vegans OR veggies who go out of their way to lecture meat eaters, they only talk about it when something related to it comes up and the meat eaters recoil in sheer terror and bash them for being crazy. The only reason people are so arrogant about it is because it's easier to deny that anything you're contributing to is wrong and ignore the issue than to accept that it's inhumane to slaughter animals and eat their flesh and other body excretments.

I'm not even going to bother addressing anything else, one I saw the "we come from primates and they eat meat" argument I realised you're just another arrogant person who hasn't even had the decency to do a bit of reasearch before trying to provoke a reaction so that you can again say "vegans are crazy!!"

Have a nice day.

[bente2]

Don't even try to convince me. I get vegetarians. That makes sense to me. Vegans? No. Not eating eggs or cheese because it's sad for the animal? Fuck off mate, sorry to say but really.

[Hidden_P]

Haven't spent much time on this site have you?

[Hidden_P]

Mmmhmm. I agree completely.

But I'm gonna love the hate answers from malnourished vegans.

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[Hidden_P]

Also I had a vegan friend who made her cats vegan. She was super proud because the food wasn't tested on animals (personally one of the few times I approve of animal testing). Anyway. Both were indoor cat and within a couple of months they had kidney failure and she couldn't work out what it was.
I wonder...

[ihateheroicleishin]

I'm allergic to dairy and I happen to hate eggs, honey and meat. I've been vegan for several years before it was popular and before I even knew what it was. I think when people accuse you of animal cruelty it's retarded. We've been eating meat for 40 thousand years just cause you choose not to eat meat doesn't mean others will too. I can't stand the conceitedness of it all. Vegan shampoo really? Fucking really?

[Hidden_P]

And you my lovely are someone I would be proud to be friends with. I would learn to make a vegan meal for you. No issues with vegans if they aren't absolutely mental :)

[ihateheroicleishin]

@Hidden_P I can cook for myself ;D Anyway scientists have proven plants are as intelligent as jellyfish and capable of learning from mistakes so what makes them less important than a jelly fish?

[Hidden_P]

Haha you can always have a night off 😜
Umm. Feelings? I dunno.

[ihateheroicleishin]

@Hidden_P Yeah, plants communicate chemically. They can identify plants of their own kind, plants not of their own kind, predators, and were shown to immediately begin repairing themselves as a predatory insect was introduced -not touching them yet - but they responded before the insect made contact

[Hidden_P]

Oh okay. Didn't know that. I wouldn't call it feelings but I suppose it's awareness?

[ihateheroicleishin]

@Hidden_P they are aware of their envoirment, yes like jelly fish

[ShaeNielson]

So because some people take it too far and don't take the time to learn about nutrition, you are against the whole thing even if it is better for both the animals and the planet? Eating meat is not the holy grail, and it's not gonna save you from your shitty diet. Most vegans and vegetarians have actually read up on nutrition and know exactly what to eat to get everything they need.

[bente2]

I've yet to meet one.

[ShaeNielson]

You're 15 though and Im sure you haven't had a conversation with every person you've met, so you don't know if they're vegan or not.

[bente2]

You're discriminating me because of my age. At least, that's what it looks like. I've talked to many vegans and vegetarians, I go to our local farmers market a lot so I talk to a bunch of different people that stop by.

[ShaeNielson]

It's not discrimination. And if it is then you're discriminating vegans and vegetarians.

[bente2]

Discriminating: treating someone differntly on the ground of gender, race, what they look like, what they believe in or age.

I clearly stated I was giving my opinion, I wasn't treating any vegans or vegetarians differently. You were invalidating my opinion because of my age.

[bente2]

And by the way you're 18?

[ShaeNielson]

Well this is my opinion, Im not discriminating more than you.

Yes Im 18, but the difference is that you're labeling every vegan and being extremely generalizing based on your personal experiences whereas Im merely saying you're talking about a vocal minority.

[helloitsmethere]

If you are vegan, then that's fine, that's great but DO NOT under any circumstances try to shove your diet down my throat please. I need the extra protein right now to repair a small part of my autonomic nervous system that as been negatively affecting my life for almost a year now and I am also underweight (naturally) so I need the extra protein for that as well. Not everyone can become vegan.

[Klister]

No one is shoving anything anywhere your conscious makes you see it that way because on some level you understand veganism. I personally have a meat eating diet shoved down my throat every day in the form of bullying, advertising and other media. Do I complain... only a little