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Girls, you create the fuckboys, womanisers, players, and man whores that we see today (Page 2)
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This take reeks of internalised misogyny.
Men don't go around with "I'm an arsehole" tattooed on their foreheads, and player types will behave as if they want a relationship until they get sex, so a woman doesn't know that she has contributed to some idiot's player behavior until it's too late.
It's really tricky to weed out and predict which guys are actually womanising dickheads, and which guys are genuinely good guys interested in relationships, this is especially true for younger women who are newer to dating.
However, the older you get, the more "red flag" cues you learn to spot, so it gets slightly easier. A few of the more obvious ones are: 1) He has loads of female *friends* who are basically exes and former flings 2) he does most of his communication with you by texts, messenger or other lazy forms of communication and 3) all the complements he makes relate solely to your physical appearance.
Another my take on how girls are responsible for everything really?45.media.tumblr.com/.../...jcw3DF1sf6f68o1_500.gif
well it's the truth women exhibit dumb behaviour sometimes just as much as men. reality.
I will keep that mind. Kidding I won't.
good for you.
i know everything i say is adorable.
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I disagree with this entire take. You're implying that we, women, are "responsible" for the way guys are the way they are... When in reality there are a lot of factors that contribute to the makeup of an individual's behaviour. It's their entire experience and environment, its their genetics and physiology that make a person act the way they do. Yes, a guy can get impacted if was really hurt by a past girlfriend, but that's not the sole reason for his "fuckboy" behaviour. Besides, whose responsible for bitches, hoes and thoughts then? Fuckboys? Lol. Its a more complicated issue. I'm not gonna blame myself just because some guy is an asshole.
This is very well written. Do you want to know the root cause of all this? Now first, The complaints on both sides of the fence are the same. So what is the problem exactly? It is the idea that one needs to lower their standards for the other. So if women don't like players, How about make the person of interest wait for a while and prove their loyalty? You know, If they run out on you because they don't want to wait, Then guess what? You probably just eliminated a player/cheater. Men and women can both use this tactic.
Basically, It comes from the failure of one to hold the other accountable. Don't be afraid to draw the line. If the person of interest does not measure up to where you are, Then why keep bothering with them if they are not willing to measure up in the first place?
"It has never occurred to us that boys are what they are today because of what us girls make them to be."
You have a choice, we all have. Agreed that one of the most common reason a guy turns into a fuckboy is because a girl he loved tore his heart and I can understand why someone would act out that way but that is not an excuse. You can learn from your heartbreak/being played or whatever.. And move on, find another girl. You cannot avoid heartbreaks that's how life works. It doesn't mean that someone has a reason to become a player/fuckboy and revenge the next girl just because some girl broke him once or twice.. I was got seriously played and deeply hurt two years ago, did I become a player? No. I don't have a father either. I chose not to because I don't see a reason to play other guys because a guy once deeply hurt me, now that's how players are created, because they choose to do this.
Great take but I wouldn't just say it's like an incident that happened to a guy to create this (I. e guy gets heart broken, turns to bad boy). although this can and does cause it in many cases (man and woman). It's also just that a guy is cool, sees women go for these types of men, so he tries to be said man. Today's love game in general is one of contradiction. You ladies will say all these nice things and yet the guy who can give it to you ends up with his dick in his hand because he is not the "bad boy" or "player".
I would like to state that by blaming your current state of mind and the how you treat others based on how you were treated in the past is really an excuse and a way of cleaning yourself from responsibilities.
I'm going to put an extreme example of a woman that hated men so much that she used her ''I was abused, raped'' excuse in court to excuse killing 6-7 middle aged-men.
That woman was serial killer Aileen Carol Wuornos. So base on your logic, the men are to blamed for the decisiones to later on took in place, even if that meant killing innocent men whom had more than likely had families?
I'm sorry but everyone (men and women) are responsible for their own actions. If a couple jerks or nasty women had that much power over you that made you change into a user, hook guess what? You were probably weak from the start and just needed someone to further push you down. You're weak if you can't be your own person.
by the way, I'm glad that killer got punished for her killings.
**hooker
Thank you. The problem is you women sexually reward these kind of men because subconsciously you equate this doucebaggery with masculinity/confidence. You may consciously dislike these kind of men... but on a deeper level (where sexual decisions are made) you can't help being attracted to these guys. If that wasn't the case these man whores, fuck boys, etc would cease to exist. They would get sexually frustrated and change their behavior.
Sadly I don't think this will ever change. "nice" guys have no choice but to toughen up if they ever want a chance. The heart wants what the heart wants (or what the vagina wants)
a lot of them are douchebags because they have mental issues that make them love to bully and use other people.
in my experience, they don't ever feel real remorse or regret for what they did. they have a totally different view of the world than their victims do... they just see everything as a game. even acting more mature or manly as they get older... it's all a social game to them and they use their same tricks on people. they just do it that way, because it's a different way of getting the same attention w/o people disliking them.
I really don't think anyone can teach someone else how to treat people decently. if the person doesn't care of have empathy, in my exp. that means they never will. they just learn how to fake it.
I've had people break my heart, no one cared or comforted me (although I didn't mention much, since I was embarrassed) and I don't treat people like crap or use them. I'm not perfect, but I don't treat people like they're objects.
Guys are also a factor why some guys go this way. people say it's manly, you need to do this or that to be a real man, bullshit.
The fact of guys being a player was born long ago. Picasso was a player, casa blanca must've existed in some form (and da vinci must be one aswell) so these guys you mentioned are there but just add to the pack that is already there, the reason of why you put up this take.
I know a few guys who fear commitment and I say I am not unharmed from this but I know the change would turn me another person. In fact guys can be weak creatures if you see trough that social barrier. And now I am confusing myself
so cure😍
I feel disgusted at how defensive the girls are towards this topic, I mean what about see it objectively and not personally there must be this shit going on near peoples social circle.
I would totally say guys can be an influence aswell as I constantly get negative response with most guys I talked with when I mention I am not a hook up guy but I think this has no influence on me.
Might even be that guys make other guys players on a wider range than girls could, I think bad girls are just a boost to approve the "weak minded" guys that turning into what you hate might be the ideal way
that's true... it's a sad life we live in... I'm starting to think people who commit suicide because they wanna escape this planet... might join them on that one
is killing yourself really an answer.
to be honest yes.
nope.
Those guys that are super arrogant, thinking they can get any girl, often do get any girl. Girls have low standards (or they become weak at the knees for a mildly handsome guy) and will just sleep with them willy nilly so they start thinking they're some God and treat other people shitty. It is a circle.
Like what is said before. A shop wouldn't sell T-shirt if everybody buying jackets.
Perhaps it is true but as has already been said, men wouldn't do half of those things if it didn't get them laid. If there was a 100% effective way to get a girl while being a nice guy, even if it's just for a relationship and not just in bed, you can bet that men would do precisely that. But alas, they are left with no choice but to be bad because that's what most girls prefer.
Pls stfu. Obviously u haven't been exposed to this world the proper way
@TheAverageMan and obviously so haven't most men either, otherwise, this question wouldn't have been asked.
Also, way to necro a +1 yo thread
I don't know, i believe everybody has a capacity for good and bad. And i get that the people who amass prolific bad actions/beliefs do have pasts that lead them there. But i think our capacity for sympathy toward usury people should come with a very thick bullshit shield.
I also think that the solution should be proactive as opposed to reactive. Meaning we should teach all of our children how to properly treat the opposite sex (or same if gay) much more efficiently.
I personally believe sexual education should last the entire education career. Whether it's teaching kindergarteners how to be safe from molestation, teaching adolescents and preteens proper knowledge, care and cleanliness of their anatomy, or teaching middle/high schoolers the inner workings of sex and proper treatment of partners.
That's just my 2 cents on it.
This is a very intelligent take! So many women are very quick to discount the part they play in what men become! The cold, hard fact is that many women are just not interested in men who are kind, caring and respectful! Such men are typically rejected by women! We constantly see women choosing men who are jerks or douche bags!
It seems that every jerk, jackass or thug is successful with women while many caring, decent men are basically shunned! Women can't keep rewarding asshole behavior with sex and then wondering why so many men are assholes!
guys are responsible for their own actions.
Yes, girls do not have to be their play thing, that's their decision (and a good one), but if a guy wants to do it he's going to find someone that will.
I don't like this take because it makes it seem like girls MAKE them act that way. We do not. They are perfectly capable of making their own decisions, and if I was a guy I'd find this insulting. Like, wow, women MAKE ME who I am? Cool.
And you also make it seem like it's perfectly okay for them to act out...
"They don't deserve the recognition of destroying innocent hearts" Please, tell me that's a joke...
For every action there is a consequence. If they can't handle the recognition of being a heartbreaker, they shouldn't do it. Everyone is capable of making their own choices. No one is forced into the ones they make. If they do something bad, they ARE to blame. There may be reasons behind it that they couldn't control, but they should not be used for justification as if you are just some little puppet and someone else is pulling the strings. When you detach yourself from your actions you will never improve because you think nothing is your fault.
yes they don't deserve the recognition of breaking hearts how does that sentence to you make it seem. like it's okay to perfectly act it out? please explain because struggling to see what you're trying to say?
Why shouldn't they be ostracized for breaking hearts?
They deserve to be called a heart breaker if that's what they are doing.
They need to be told that it's wrong (aka recognizing that they did it) and corrected.
oh now I get you. but in reality they have been told. I mean that's because you tell me that I'm a heartbreaker isn't going to change my ways Infact I'd be so proud that I'll spit in your face and tell you that it's not my problem. It's a psychological thing for them to think the way they think due to certain factors in their lives that caused it. when I said they don't deserve recognition I was stating the mere fact that people should stop giving these people labels and actually fooling into their hands. Women give them the power to do what they do by freely handing themselves into situations they know won't work in their favour.
you're in the jungle and the half that you live in succumbs to drought. there is no water around for miles, except on the other half of the jungle. clearly you would move to the other side of the jungle, but is it your fault that you had to move or the weathers fault? sure, you could stay behind and choose not to drink but youd die, so you adapt. the same thing is going on.. if u have a streak of bad luck with women and u try out a different method that works, then you adapt. the only alternative in that scenario is to either keep getting trampled on and become an empty shell of a person or give up on chicks and die out. men have a choice but really they dont have much of a choice.
You're right, but you left out the fact that since the majority of women (around 80%) find a minority of men (around 20%) attractive, this creates the man whores, players, etc simply because this small minority of men know that they have a advantage due to the majority of women liking the same guys (99.9% of the time, women only date guys their girl friends would also find attractive and to make the competition jealous) women's pickiness and usually over the top standards only makes a small amount of men eligible.
You remember my question where women were complaining their weren't enough single men for them?
@Roostah In a girls mind, single men = taller than average, richer than average, better looking than average, smarter or funnier then average lol.
Is this why my ex is acting the way he is, he tells me he is seeing someone else so I was like sure we can hang out and I'll give you your Christmas presents. And he was like no, I said sure we are both seeing new people nothing will happen and he said, no because if I asked to show your boobs you would, I said no I wouldn't and you are seeing someone and wouldn't ask me too and he was like yea but you still would. i said no I'm seeing someone and I'm not a cheater I never even looked at another guy when we were together and I'm not going to do it to my new guy, that's not like me. What the hell is going on why do guys think that's ok?
Not to mention singler mothers and thus a lot of those boys / young men grow up without a proper father figure.
I quote from a guy I forgot his name from (not an exact quote): What harm you do to one sex, you do to the other as well.
Aka what harms boys, will harm girls. What harms girls, will harm boys. Men and women are meant to complement each other and if this natural synergy is disrupted for whatever reason it will cause a decay of that synergy.
I disagree, men on average, want different things or rather they emphasize different aspects of their relations with women. There will always be men who exploit women no matter how they were brought up. They do it because it serves their interests and they can.
Now you may have a point about the number of men who exploit women, that is almost certainly down to environment but no matter how you construct society there will always be some because it works. It gets some men what they want.
So does this mean men make the bitches, golddiggers, sluts, "bad bitches", stuck up princesses, etc. that men so much complain about? Or do only men get a pass for shitty behavior?
1st. There is no such thing as a slut! 2nd. Gold diggers come from guys who flash they money then get mad for using him for it. And 3rd. You can naturally be a bitch
@HiiLyFe tell that to the many people who call girls sluts.
2nd I guess so yea. I feel we all have each other to blame for our shitty behaviors.
3rd. I don't know. I think maybe yes, but "true" jerks are rare. Most people who we label as "bitch" or "douche" actually were treated badly. So I'm not entirely sure if they were born, or naturally that way.
in my opinion. I feel like the words slut and hoes came from two type of different jealous people. the jealous female who is jealous of the girl because of the attention she is receiving. So she calls her a slut to make herself feel/look better than her. Then the jealous guy who heard that she was easy and tried to get in her pants and failed. Then calls her out for all the guys that she sleeps with. I feel Iike everyone now a days are so afraid to show they sexuality. Guys get put in the friend zone because there are scared to show it. girls get called a slut when actually show it
By definition , a slut is someone who has many casual sex partners.
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So to say there is no such thing as a slut,
is to say all women have few partners which is simply not true.
Is it the word slut a derogatory term? Yes.
Are there better words to use? Yes
But solely by definition , there are people who fit in that category.
No not everyone's hating or upset because they didn't get any.
It just is what it is.
Yes. If a woman knows she's gonna be getting free stuff and money whenever she wants, of course she's not gonna change. If men stopped giving them money and free stuff just because they're hot, those women wouldn't be that way.
Would you act a certain way if it NEVER worked? Of course you don't.
So yeah, men helped create those goldiggers, sluts, and bitches.
Yes men turn women into those things by placing a women and sex so high on our list of priorities. If men suddenly lost all interest in women, those women would pretty much disappear.
@HiiLyFe Where did you get the impression that there is no such thing as a slut? A slut (by definition) is someone that has many casual partners. I'm sorry if you don't like that term, but you cannot say there is no such thing when there clearly is. It's not make believe.
it is entirely a mans fault for women having entitlement issues because guys gave in to their shit 2 get into a woman. if he had the balls and was ready to take a loss to tell her to shut her trap, and more guys did that, she would have to adapt 2 the new social setting or else risk being sexually and emotionally ostracised.