I don't wanna come off as rude, but that's pretty hypocritical of your side. Okay there's the girl, that keeps seeing "assholes" even though they treat her badly. And there's you that keeps hope for being with the girl, that treats you bad. How can you blame her without blaming yourself? Why can't you accept she's not for you and move on? Why do you have to keep to this cycle? You just gotta understand that if she hasn't given you a chance yet, she probably never will, but you can't blame her for that. The only person you can blame in this situation is yourself.
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I’ve already moved on, but it’s just gonna happen again. Most women do this over and over again to men all the time.
I enjoyed this take due to it being from the perspective of that "nice guy" that is "just a friend" that happens to also be wondering, "why don't you stop dating that asshole and get some 'D' in your 'V' from a nice guy that will treat you right... someone like me."
Without going too far into the "Team America" speech of 'why we need dicks because they fuck the pussies and the assholes,' I'm just going to lay that point out there to point out another point.
Be a dick. Fuck assholes up and you'll get to fuck the pussy up too. Trust me ;-)
It's gotta work better than being the type of asshole that sits around listening to some chicks 'stupid mutha phuckin problems' wile suffereing from a feminist case of 'nice guy syndrome.' <--(look that up)
He's an asshole. She's a pussy. Don't be an asshole. Be a dick.
I know... it's feminism. Those fat, blue armpit haired, and other things... feminists. But they haven't been wrong about everything. Just check it out and you might not thank me... but your soul will thank me later when you are no longer a nice guy. A red pill a day... will keep tons of bullshit away...
Where are you from? Most likely a Western country. And the girls that you hang out with? Most likely your age or a bit younger. I don't have much of a good idea about dating culture in your place, but I can tell you one thing. The girl you talked about sounds confused to me. And she clearly doesn't want to be with you.
Regarding the attachment, yeah emotional attachment is very strong in girls. Because girls not only dream of being with the guy but also the life she will have when being with him in the future. They already see as far as the next five years, and it is hard to let go of that. Saying it from personal experience. Been really heartbroken before.
I liked that rant. But why waste your time on people like that? .. Your only hurting yourself. It sounds like they just see you as a friend and they just need you there for their emotional/relationship problems. And that's the guy you'll always be if you let it keep happening. .. I mean, am I missing something?
I totally agree with you. I have been facing that too most of my life. it is just a part of who we really are. you have said well with this "But why waste your time on people like that?" I understand those kind of girls are "trusting" the kind of guys we are. is it healthy to change to someone he is not?
Because she was different. But the comments are right, it’s time for me to move on. I don’t know how I can though. I feel like the next girl I talk to will do the same thing. One girl in the comments even said that she wants looks over personality. She doesn’t care if her man treats her like shit. How many of those girls are out there who are just like her? A lot I presume.
"I feel like the next girl I talk to will do the same thing" take this thought out of ur mind. it is negative. keep positive thoughts and vibes. for instance, if u a heading towards a pub or bar, have a smile on ur face and dont expect anything. and yes.. they are a lot, like there are a lot like you and me as well !!! last time i went to my usual bar, i was talkin with the bar tender and her come 2 beautiful girls and sit next to me. one thing to another they droped a joke and both bar tender and i went laughing. they are from UK and in Lebanon for work. i got along with one of them and we opened a deep discussion a bit similar to this one, even though she was in a relationship, we both enjoyed the conversation. maybe next time i will meet a single girl. i did not expect anything when i saw her wandering inside the bar. i just enjoyed talkin to her. moving on is a good choice. dont overthink how. just do it and live ur life :-)
@StrangerByTheDay I understand where your coming from... but we really do have a choice who we fall for. Consciously, no. Subconsciously, yes. And right now, your just stuck in a pattern of disappointment, that you somehow have to undetangle. Your attracting these kind of people to be vulnerable with you and open up to you... which is okay for the most part, but not in your case. And I'm not saying... be the bad guy , be the jerk who doesn't take the time for a girl, or who doesn't want to listen to someone... but these are fine lines... because most girls won't know their hurting you... they just like to have a guy friend around to make them feel better.. and give them advice.. but that's ALL their there for. That's it. And who's left hurt in the end when they move on to another guy that's not you? . You really need to prioritize where you stand with these females.
What women say they want =/= what women actually want. The sooner you learn to read between the lines the better.
Giving women what they say they want rarely gets you anywhere. And if you are akready dating her it still causes a strain when she is given what she asks for.
Multiple partial explanations for this, but at the end of the day you need to acknowledge just like they do, that you're both pursuing the wrong people. That's hard for all of us man. I pursue the wrong women as well you know? We can't help what we desire, but we can learn to move on when we realize that were just wasting our time.
They're wasting their time with shitbags. You're wasting your time on people who want to be victims. Gotta move on brother.
that is why I always take my time in getting to know the person I like. it is part of going out on dates. doing routine stuff. discovering each others daily routines, likes, dislikes, etc... I am really pretty sure, if you had a nice Ferrarri or Porsche but would break down every single day on ur way to work, then you would sell it and buy something really reliable... or not?
@StrangerByTheDay haha ya. That's true. But comparably girls are more scared that someone else pick their Ferrari and it suddenly starts to work (which doesn't happen)! Then they 'll spend all day thinking about what's wrong with themselves.
totally agree with you. it hard to uncover people's mask and discover the truth underneath. sadly there are lots of fake people, assholes as well. i know few assholes myself. i dont get along with them. i always have to turn a discussion into a fight just because the way they treat their girlfriends. somehow i feel people are turning into sadistic. lol. i am not happy to be single and alone, but i am happy and trusting the way i treat people. at least i have a clear conscience being crystal clear and honest, also respectful, even if the girl is not into it. besides, a ferrarri is a ferrarri :-P hahaha dear @charlotte5 @myTakeOwner, u see how it is easy to open a conversation? it is as much easy to open it in public and discuss it face to face, thus, meeting girls who share ur opinions on life.
@StrangerByTheDay haha , I just read the entire thing, I think op lacks some confidence Remind me of the nice guy syndrome.. I used to have a nice guy liking me but he was extremely rude to some other dudes who flirt with me. The real reason I don't like him is that he is not confident and always wants to compare. Even though I ve never said anything along the line that I am interested in him, but he just can't let go bc he sees me as a trophy and ego boost. But glad he found confidence again and found someone else after i blocked him , hopefully op will also move on and find a girl who appreciates who he is.
According to mgtow, women pick bad type guys because they see it as attractive. Since the majority of guys want to please girl, the girl see this guy as a push over. A guy who has his own life and isn't chasing vagina is more desire and mysterious. It also help to have a fit body but to also having some self respect is good. You have no self respect. You keep hang onto girls and activate looking for them when they are so immature. Immature as they haven't taken the time to learn why they are attractive to bad boys. For me when I was 16 was because he approached me and didn't take shit from anyone. I know better now that I can't change a guy it a person. It's not a mystery it's just a guy who going to be a risk in the end. I have dated the good guy type as well only to realized I wasn't attractive to him. Sure he was nice but I was bored. He had more insecurity then me and I didn't feel protected. I am still trying to learn about myself but I hope it helps.
Good guy- Pro: dependent, reliable, caring Con: no sexual tension, boring routine, doesn't make decisions Bad boy Pro: usually hot because a lot of girls like him ( Social proof), doesn't give a shit (unique personality, manly characters like can protect you, sexual Con: Sleeps around because he can, doesn't care about girls which makes him more attractive, isn't going to be a good faithful husband, no trust, lie, steal, cheat, you probably have to pay him, can't control in any way The bad boy is the winner here! The good guy fails! Usually the good guy got notching going on because why eles would he be putting so much attention on a girl. Bad guy doesn't even have time for you.
I think the next time of guy I want to interact is the high quality guy. He usually has his own cash, hobbies, smart... he like a mature bad boy. He takes care of himself and does what he wants. But he happy to be with his one girl but he won't tolerate any of her shit hence a bad boy characteristic
Yeah. I am just trying to to learn. But I may be bais since I watch a lot of mgtow. From my small experience of dating a quote on quote good guy it's not fun. Although he was reliable and trustworthy... I wasn't attractive to him... he wasn't manly enough to look like he could protect me... so from that I learn looks do matter. Although all my peer say looks don't matter it's what inside and that's false.
Kettle, meet pot. This entire Take screamed salty beta male. you're hardcore judging this girl for not liking you— and after reading this Take, I don’t blame her. It’s not your job to decide who she can and can’t date. If you don’t like your platonic friendship with her, exit it. It’s your choice, stop acting like she’s forcing you to be just her friend.
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“This entire Take screamed salty beta male.” Oh I’m sorry, I’m I suppose to go out and fuck multiple girls at once and not care about their feelings, then walk around like I own the fucking world, then go and treat my girlfriend like shit, then drive my 2018 Ford Mustang to go and pick her up only to just take her back to my place and fuck? I’m not judging her for not liking me, I’m judging her for her choice in men. I wouldn’t care that much if she had a good guy as her boyfriend, but she doesn’t now does she?
And what’s your purpose of judging my take? You have no clue what it’s like to be on my side. You girls just get by with your looks and then date a guy who’s a complete and utter asshole, only to complain about him to guys like us knowing damn well that guys like us can treat her better. But oh! We aren’t good looking! We are too skinny or too fat! I’m sorry the god decided to curse me I guess. Don’t know what I did to deserve it
(Cont.) but it is what it is. Can’t change it. You don’t blame her for wanting an abusive relationship? That’s hot to you? You’re right, it isn’t my job, but she asked for advice, so what am I suppose to do? Tell her to keep dating him? That he’ll turn around in the end? That’s the problem, they all want platonic friendships with me. No woman wants to date me. This has happened over and over again in the past. If I simply exit out of the friendship, I won’t have anyone to talk to. I’ll be lonely again.
Dude reread everything that you just wrote. Maybe she didn't want you because you're a hypocritical asshole who can't see any thing from another point of view besides your own. Shit you just said was pretty mean.
@LeoLionEye please do state where I was being hypocritical because I can’t find it. Never proclaimed to be nice so don’t really care if this came off as mean. I’m speaking the truth. I’m tired of women seeing things one sided. They don’t care what us ugly men go through, only good looking “alpha” men are the ones they care about. Her story is incredibly one-sided. I already know her side of the story because this has happened to me numerous times, you start to learn what these girls are like after a while.
How about "I’m I suppose to go out and fuck multiple girls at once and not care about their feelings, then walk around like I own the fucking world, then go and treat my girlfriend like shit, then drive my 2018 Ford Mustang to go and pick her up only to just take her back to my place and fuck" Saying all those things you would do that are mean and then refer to yourself as a nice guy.
How about "I’m not judging her for not liking me, I’m judging her for her choice in men." When in fact you are judging her and in a poor light at that too. All while claiming that you care about her.
Or maybe when you actually did indirectly call yourself a nice guy "complain about him to guys like us" and "guys like us can treat her better". When in fact you aren't a nice guy. Nice guys don't act like that. So yes you were being a hypocrite.
@LeoLionEye I never said I would do those things. I was saying those as though she expects me to do that, when I know that I won’t do it.
How is that second statement hypocritical? I never said that she can’t judge me, just said that she shouldn’t be dating assholes.
Treating her with respect doesn’t make you a nice guy, it just means you have common decency, something her boyfriends have lacked. Never claimed to be nice. Don’t “indirectly” take what I said out of context.
Are you a good guy? Or are you afraid of the consequences of being an asshole?
If you want to fuck a bunch of nameless whores and ride off into the sunset in your brand new coupe solo dolo. I say do that. It's far more honest than this "I'm nice" bullshit.
Stop befriending women that YOU WANT TO FUCK. That's dumb as hell.
Exactly as I said. Salty. And a hypocrite, too. Being an alpha doesn’t mean you’re a fuckboy and only have shitty priorities. It means you don’t let people walk all over you. You advertise yourself as a nice guy, when in reality, you’re just as bad as the ‘asshole boyfriend’ you’re trying to shame.
You’re ignorance is showing. You’re ignorant to us guys who don’t get girls and how our lives operate. Please point out the hypocrisy. I’ve already debunked one person’s hypocrisy claims. I’ve said NUMEROUS times that I’m not a nice guy. How many times do I have to say that I’m not a nice guy? Maybe if I said that I’m not a nice guy after every sentence, you’ll realize that I’m not a nice guy. The asshole boyfriend is emotionally abusive. I’m not emotionally abusive.
You sure sound emotionally abusive. Lol, IM ignorant? Do you even realize how you sound? “You’re ignorant to us guys who don’t get girls and how our lives operate”. You’re practically whining.
What point do you not understand? It's not about "nice". The point is in every relationship of your life. YOU ALLOW, WHAT YOU ALLOW, AND IT IS YOUR FAULT. That's the point. If you allowed yourself to remain friends with a woman you had feelings for. YOU took care of her emotional needs. YOU answered her calls and attempted to make her feel better. YOU did all of the things that made her life easier while making your life miserable. Then YOU blame her for it. Yet, my ignorance is showing. Sure, kid, sure.
It seems like the only one that doesn't understand this is the opinion owner. I believe it is because he doesn't want to accept the fact that everything that happened to him is his own fault. It's not the girls nor her asshole boyfriend. It is his. But he is also so immature about it. He claims one minute he is a nice guy but when it is pointed out that what he does makes him an asshole he changes tunexpected and says he never claimed to be a nice guy and instead calls himself an asshole.
He chased after someone who wasn't interested in him but liked his emotional support. He gets fed up and butt hurt over it so he blames it on the girl. Way to go dude that definitely how normal adults act. Maybe you should give up on dating.
The only one making sense in this conversation is @NoFucks2Give. The rest is just "villainizing" the OP for reasons they make up in their minds. If I was the OP I would stop replying to everyone else. I have met good men like OP and it's not a crime to be self aware that u are nice. And that isn't makes a person an asshole. The girl in question claims she is in an abusive relationship. And she wishes the guy was as nice as the OP but the next guy he dates will be still be some abusive mofucker. And if OP is the bad guy to you then ur brain needs rewiring. But the OP can't be mad at whatever decision she makes cos a woman like her can't appreciate a man like him like. A girl would say she is attracted to assholes but want to date good guys and when she finally meets a good man she doesn't know what to do with him. She is not used to being treated right and everything seems perfect but u can she can not connect with the guy not because he isn't good enough but cos of what attracts her
What attracts her and what she gravitates towards is not gonna change overnight even if she gave OP a chance. The only mistake OP made was to continue the friendship after the first rejection. @myTake Owner not all girls are attracted to assholes. Some have a history of dating assholes, some have a have a reputation of walking away when a guy treats her badly, and some are just attracted to attractive guys that a good like u. So just locate a woman that can appreciate and don't waist ur time then it would be ur fault. U can not control other people's action but u can decide ur next move. U can spend time thinking about someone or people who don't give a shit or look for people who could love and be interested in ur humor, ur looks, ur interest and ur heart. Her friends not wanting u don't count and don't expect them to be different cos they are her friends. Just work on ur charisma and ur bruised confidence u will need it.
- "Listen, I'm sorry about your breakup, I know that he wasn't treating you right, but I want to show you that I'm not like that. I've been wanting to date you for a while now and I'm wondering if you'd like to go on a date sometime next week?"
Never say this shit again in your life. You are smart guy. I'm fkn braindead and i still know why this is stupid (no offence). You look it up yourself. There is a scientific reason why this girl keeps attracting assholes..
Dude I've tried to defend you because I completely relate to your prob, but the people on this site as you can see, are kinda worthless to talk to about certain things. I have a feeling some of these "girls" on here are actual just guys trolling. Also remember, it's a very international site. Girls can come from places like Russia where it's normal for a woman to have a slave mentality or it's expected at least. Join me though in my journey to troll the trolls on here. Believe me there are ways. And it can be fun af. Nothing like sending a middle finger to a site that deserves it.
@errorgoodnameunfound I would love to troll the trolls, but the reason I’m explaining myself is because sensible people might come and look at the comments and try to make sense out of them. I want to debunk them before they see it and think it’s logical
I hope your wish does come true one day that the girl you like will like you back, but I wonder how smart it was to wait around for a girl who wasn't even single when you met.
Let’s just say that I were as shallow as the asshole. Then why would she go with the asshole? Hmm because he’s good looking. Her looks isn’t the reason why I’m so hung up on her. If that were so, I would of moved on. Plenty of beautiful women in the sea, especially in college. It was her personality that got me hooked.
Girls with assholes generally have tons of issues. Chicks don’t just come in degrees of beauty - some of them are messed up and you have to move on to the ones who value you.
Thank you for pointing that point out. Guys can be hypocrites, no denying that. But guys seem much more up front about it. girls are picky for good reason trying to find a "good" guy, (who like us, say "HEY WE ARE RIGHT HERE"), yet end up with that "good looking" "confident" prick that rapes her... she runs away... she talks about her probs to another guy who is actually ok and really, doesn't give a fuck about sex or dating (and who is likely successful and happy in the future), to explain her probs and cry. Then once again, runs towards the "GREAT" lookin dude that is an OBVIOUS idiot, but because she "didn't see it at first" (cough, often BS), she stays with him and the cycle continues. I've really started to wonder if women are worth the trouble. There is plenty of pressure to marry one... but why? I can find a guy with a personality I like likely easier and I'm not too into sex anyways, so why bother? Sure, there are decent good women. But if not around ya, then what?
But why do you want to date some girl who you know has shitty standards? My guess is you find her attractive and that's it. You judge her by how she dates yet you want her yourself? She's a full grown adult. If she's going to be in abusive relationships that's her fault and hers alone. Let it happen. You don't have a say.
And do some introspection on why you chase after girls who deny you when you're doing this whole "nice guy" routine and she chooses the asshole. Because what you're doing isn't great either.
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It goes beyond me finding her attractive. If I simply just found her attractive, and nothing else, I wouldn't be so hung up on this. She has an amazing personality. She has substance. Yes, I do want to date her. I believe that, if she didn't date assholes, we would be great together. I do have a say when she keeps asking "what do I do?" In that moment, I can tell her the truth and how to end this bad cycle she's doing. I'm not doing this "nice guy" routine, I've even stated that I'm not all that nice, but I am honest and I do have feelings for her. There is no introspection to do. Girls like the asshole because of all the qualities I've listed.
There is ALWAYS introspection to do. The wisest people do introspection. There is never any point in any person's life where they shouldn't be doing introspection.
It's her choice to be in that bad cycle. It's not yours to pull her out of it. She has as much freedom of choice to make as you do.
Dude - You sound like a dog barking a the moon. Moon is not going to alter its behavior one bit because of the barking. Women are attracted to confidence-which has a swagger component which is why they are attracted to assholes-they bitch about nice guys not existing but ignore real nice guys. There ARE girls out there who are nice-lovely people-but have flaws. For guys these flaws are often physical-she's "fat" or "out of shape" or other. Be willing to accept someone less than perfect in all aspects means she accepts that in you too and find joy in where you do fit!
Just because you are nice to a woman doesn't mean that the should feel compelled to date you. If you want to date someone then make that clear right away and if a woman wants to just be friends with you then you take what friends you can get. Maybe your new friend can introduce you to some of her freinds.
Think of it like this: You: vegetables Douchebags:junk food Junk food tastes better and looks better, but those can't sustain life, now can they? On the other hand, vegetables are (somewhat) tasty and make you grow stronger as a whole, including fitness and energy! Eventually everyone has to eat a vegetable or two, and those people are the ones you need to be looking for. :)
@MyNewAccounting109 Have u ever tried fresh cheese mixed tuna or spiced mushrooms etc. They are so tasty and healthy af. I think ur analogy is just a way girls rationalize their lame ass ways. There are many good guys that are very good looking (the stereotypical nice guy is not blessed with the looks which is misleading), funny, confident and have all that attractive bs but still fail with women. It's either the ways he is good her isn't strange to her or a turn off. Or she only feels the spark for an asshole while there girls who are opposite that kindness and thoughtfulness gives them that good taste. There is a reason why some people would tell you the most passionate relationship they had was the abusive relationship. It has nothing to do with the nature of the partner but the nature of the person that puts the abusive partner up to that pedestal. A healthy food can taste and look better than junk food.
I'm sure if you said to these girls all these the way you said it here they would give you a chance. Ylu know why we like assholes? Because they show attitude. Like u showed us with this take. The question is why you say all this at an anonymous post and dont behave with that confidence in real life? Try it and many things will change 😊
The thing is, a lot of people, both guys and girls tend to mix attitude with malice when they don't realize that it is separable. Though most of the time, I don't bother hiding my callousness when handling with anyone. I guess the key here is to strike that sweet spot right?
@belarus You are confusing confidence with a pissed off boyfriend that the new guy has to deal with, often with violence. Same thing with women who find the other girl.
There's a lot of butthurt women in these comments and to me that says they all fit the description of "the girl who friend zoned the only guy that cares for her". Stop bashing this guy for only seeing the good in women and instead bash your own kind for USING real men like this. The type of men willing to listen to your troubles and caring for you and treating you right. Here you females are complaining about how "he should have just left the girl" or how "he should not have let himself be used like that" like what kind of shit advice is that? Are you all mad at this guy for giving women like this a chance? For believing in them? Instead why don't you all open your eyes and quit using real men as just shoulders to lean on and go ahead and go date some more "bad boys" then complain about how abusive men are and how "men ain't shit" then 1 week later getting a new asshole boyfriend and letting the cycle repeat.
These girls will eventually get what they deserve. You can spot them if you look real hard; they're 30 something, sad, miserable and always saying "where are all the good men" I watch this play out at several age levels and it never seem to change. Not all girls are like this but too many are. They mistake arrogance and bravado for confidence not ever realizing that authentically confident men do NOT need to advertise it! Either it is there or it is not. If women would take matters into there own hands and just pursue the guy they like, there would be a lot less misery in the world.
So he's an asshole because he figured it out. When you figure it out you won't be so damned judgmental. What kind of man gets mad at another man because he's getting women. What kind of shit is that?
Wouldn't your first instinct be to emulate what works? SMH
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He’s an asshole because his girlfriend calls him that. He emotionally abuses her and does all the things I’ve listed. That’s “figuring it out” to you? Emotionally abusing a gir is the way to go? Cmon man. Have a little respect.
I make people earn respect. I don't give that shit out freely.
He doesn't emotionally abuse her, he does shit she doesn't like and she cries about it. Big deal. He doesn't care, because he's confident enough to know he doesn't need her. I'll be the asshole before I follow a girl around like a sad puppy any day. You'll figure it out.
This is complete shite, hypocritical, and stupid. Emotional abuse relationships are SO hard to get out of, they don't listen to anyone, they don't realise until months after the relationship ends (if it ever does) why he was so bad for her. Don't be mad because she doesn't fancy you, just because your a "good guy" doesn't mean everyones gonna like you.
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Hmm. Then why would she get out of one and then get into another one? Admit that you like bad boys. I don’t expect anything from being a “good guy”, but the reason I get turned down is because I’m ugly and skinny. These “bad boys” aren’t.
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I don't wanna come off as rude, but that's pretty hypocritical of your side. Okay there's the girl, that keeps seeing "assholes" even though they treat her badly. And there's you that keeps hope for being with the girl, that treats you bad. How can you blame her without blaming yourself? Why can't you accept she's not for you and move on? Why do you have to keep to this cycle? You just gotta understand that if she hasn't given you a chance yet, she probably never will, but you can't blame her for that. The only person you can blame in this situation is yourself.
I’ve already moved on, but it’s just gonna happen again. Most women do this over and over again to men all the time.
I enjoyed this take due to it being from the perspective of that "nice guy" that is "just a friend" that happens to also be wondering, "why don't you stop dating that asshole and get some 'D' in your 'V' from a nice guy that will treat you right... someone like me."
Without going too far into the "Team America" speech of 'why we need dicks because they fuck the pussies and the assholes,' I'm just going to lay that point out there to point out another point.
Be a dick. Fuck assholes up and you'll get to fuck the pussy up too. Trust me ;-)
It's gotta work better than being the type of asshole that sits around listening to some chicks 'stupid mutha phuckin problems' wile suffereing from a feminist case of 'nice guy syndrome.' <--(look that up)
He's an asshole. She's a pussy. Don't be an asshole. Be a dick.
geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Nice_Guy_syndrome
I know... it's feminism. Those fat, blue armpit haired, and other things... feminists. But they haven't been wrong about everything. Just check it out and you might not thank me... but your soul will thank me later when you are no longer a nice guy. A red pill a day... will keep tons of bullshit away...
Where are you from? Most likely a Western country. And the girls that you hang out with? Most likely your age or a bit younger. I don't have much of a good idea about dating culture in your place, but I can tell you one thing. The girl you talked about sounds confused to me. And she clearly doesn't want to be with you.
Regarding the attachment, yeah emotional attachment is very strong in girls. Because girls not only dream of being with the guy but also the life she will have when being with him in the future. They already see as far as the next five years, and it is hard to let go of that. Saying it from personal experience. Been really heartbroken before.
I liked that rant. But why waste your time on people like that? .. Your only hurting yourself. It sounds like they just see you as a friend and they just need you there for their emotional/relationship problems. And that's the guy you'll always be if you let it keep happening. .. I mean, am I missing something?
I totally agree with you. I have been facing that too most of my life. it is just a part of who we really are. you have said well with this "But why waste your time on people like that?"
I understand those kind of girls are "trusting" the kind of guys we are.
is it healthy to change to someone he is not?
Because she was different. But the comments are right, it’s time for me to move on. I don’t know how I can though. I feel like the next girl I talk to will do the same thing. One girl in the comments even said that she wants looks over personality. She doesn’t care if her man treats her like shit. How many of those girls are out there who are just like her? A lot I presume.
"I feel like the next girl I talk to will do the same thing" take this thought out of ur mind. it is negative. keep positive thoughts and vibes. for instance, if u a heading towards a pub or bar, have a smile on ur face and dont expect anything. and yes.. they are a lot, like there are a lot like you and me as well !!!
last time i went to my usual bar, i was talkin with the bar tender and her come 2 beautiful girls and sit next to me. one thing to another they droped a joke and both bar tender and i went laughing. they are from UK and in Lebanon for work. i got along with one of them and we opened a deep discussion a bit similar to this one, even though she was in a relationship, we both enjoyed the conversation. maybe next time i will meet a single girl. i did not expect anything when i saw her wandering inside the bar. i just enjoyed talkin to her. moving on is a good choice. dont overthink how. just do it and live ur life :-)
@StrangerByTheDay I understand where your coming from... but we really do have a choice who we fall for. Consciously, no. Subconsciously, yes. And right now, your just stuck in a pattern of disappointment, that you somehow have to undetangle. Your attracting these kind of people to be vulnerable with you and open up to you... which is okay for the most part, but not in your case. And I'm not saying... be the bad guy , be the jerk who doesn't take the time for a girl, or who doesn't want to listen to someone... but these are fine lines... because most girls won't know their hurting you... they just like to have a guy friend around to make them feel better.. and give them advice.. but that's ALL their there for. That's it. And who's left hurt in the end when they move on to another guy that's not you? . You really need to prioritize where you stand with these females.
That comment was for you. ! Lol
For the owner of the question. lol.
What women say they want =/= what women actually want. The sooner you learn to read between the lines the better.
Giving women what they say they want rarely gets you anywhere. And if you are akready dating her it still causes a strain when she is given what she asks for.
Multiple partial explanations for this, but at the end of the day you need to acknowledge just like they do, that you're both pursuing the wrong people. That's hard for all of us man. I pursue the wrong women as well you know? We can't help what we desire, but we can learn to move on when we realize that were just wasting our time.
They're wasting their time with shitbags. You're wasting your time on people who want to be victims. Gotta move on brother.
Best wishes to you.
Hardest part is that people fall for people b4 they know they are assholes, and it's so hard to withdraw after devoting so much effort and emotions
Bc you need to know some real assholes are really good at disguising at first and some pretend to be keepers.
They can leave them if they want. They choose not to. They like the thrill. They like how he looks like Zac Efron and how he oozes confidence.
that is why I always take my time in getting to know the person I like. it is part of going out on dates. doing routine stuff. discovering each others daily routines, likes, dislikes, etc...
I am really pretty sure, if you had a nice Ferrarri or Porsche but would break down every single day on ur way to work, then you would sell it and buy something really reliable... or not?
@StrangerByTheDay haha ya. That's true. But comparably girls are more scared that someone else pick their Ferrari and it suddenly starts to work (which doesn't happen)! Then they 'll spend all day thinking about what's wrong with themselves.
Tbh a lot of assholes are not that easy to recognize , not everyone looks really attractive
totally agree with you. it hard to uncover people's mask and discover the truth underneath. sadly there are lots of fake people, assholes as well. i know few assholes myself. i dont get along with them. i always have to turn a discussion into a fight just because the way they treat their girlfriends. somehow i feel people are turning into sadistic. lol. i am not happy to be single and alone, but i am happy and trusting the way i treat people. at least i have a clear conscience being crystal clear and honest, also respectful, even if the girl is not into it. besides, a ferrarri is a ferrarri :-P hahaha dear @charlotte5
@myTakeOwner, u see how it is easy to open a conversation?
it is as much easy to open it in public and discuss it face to face, thus, meeting girls who share ur opinions on life.
@StrangerByTheDay haha , I just read the entire thing, I think op lacks some confidence
Remind me of the nice guy syndrome.. I used to have a nice guy liking me but he was extremely rude to some other dudes who flirt with me. The real reason I don't like him is that he is not confident and always wants to compare. Even though I ve never said anything along the line that I am interested in him, but he just can't let go bc he sees me as a trophy and ego boost. But glad he found confidence again and found someone else after i blocked him , hopefully op will also move on and find a girl who appreciates who he is.
According to mgtow, women pick bad type guys because they see it as attractive. Since the majority of guys want to please girl, the girl see this guy as a push over. A guy who has his own life and isn't chasing vagina is more desire and mysterious. It also help to have a fit body but to also having some self respect is good. You have no self respect. You keep hang onto girls and activate looking for them when they are so immature. Immature as they haven't taken the time to learn why they are attractive to bad boys. For me when I was 16 was because he approached me and didn't take shit from anyone. I know better now that I can't change a guy it a person. It's not a mystery it's just a guy who going to be a risk in the end. I have dated the good guy type as well only to realized I wasn't attractive to him. Sure he was nice but I was bored. He had more insecurity then me and I didn't feel protected. I am still trying to learn about myself but I hope it helps.
Good guy-
Pro: dependent, reliable, caring
Con: no sexual tension, boring routine, doesn't make decisions
Bad boy
Pro: usually hot because a lot of girls like him ( Social proof), doesn't give a shit (unique personality, manly characters like can protect you, sexual
Con: Sleeps around because he can, doesn't care about girls which makes him more attractive, isn't going to be a good faithful husband, no trust, lie, steal, cheat, you probably have to pay him, can't control in any way
The bad boy is the winner here! The good guy fails! Usually the good guy got notching going on because why eles would he be putting so much attention on a girl. Bad guy doesn't even have time for you.
I think the next time of guy I want to interact is the high quality guy. He usually has his own cash, hobbies, smart... he like a mature bad boy. He takes care of himself and does what he wants. But he happy to be with his one girl but he won't tolerate any of her shit hence a bad boy characteristic
I hate to admit it but it's very true.
Well I appreciate you honesty. You have basically disproven most of the women in this comment section.
Yeah. I am just trying to to learn. But I may be bais since I watch a lot of mgtow. From my small experience of dating a quote on quote good guy it's not fun. Although he was reliable and trustworthy... I wasn't attractive to him... he wasn't manly enough to look like he could protect me... so from that I learn looks do matter. Although all my peer say looks don't matter it's what inside and that's false.
From my small experience LOOKS Always matter!!
Kettle, meet pot. This entire Take screamed salty beta male. you're hardcore judging this girl for not liking you— and after reading this Take, I don’t blame her. It’s not your job to decide who she can and can’t date. If you don’t like your platonic friendship with her, exit it. It’s your choice, stop acting like she’s forcing you to be just her friend.
“This entire Take screamed salty beta male.”
Oh I’m sorry, I’m I suppose to go out and fuck multiple girls at once and not care about their feelings, then walk around like I own the fucking world, then go and treat my girlfriend like shit, then drive my 2018 Ford Mustang to go and pick her up only to just take her back to my place and fuck? I’m not judging her for not liking me, I’m judging her for her choice in men. I wouldn’t care that much if she had a good guy as her boyfriend, but she doesn’t now does she?
And what’s your purpose of judging my take? You have no clue what it’s like to be on my side. You girls just get by with your looks and then date a guy who’s a complete and utter asshole, only to complain about him to guys like us knowing damn well that guys like us can treat her better. But oh! We aren’t good looking! We are too skinny or too fat! I’m sorry the god decided to curse me I guess. Don’t know what I did to deserve it
(Cont.) but it is what it is. Can’t change it. You don’t blame her for wanting an abusive relationship? That’s hot to you? You’re right, it isn’t my job, but she asked for advice, so what am I suppose to do? Tell her to keep dating him? That he’ll turn around in the end? That’s the problem, they all want platonic friendships with me. No woman wants to date me. This has happened over and over again in the past. If I simply exit out of the friendship, I won’t have anyone to talk to. I’ll be lonely again.
Dude reread everything that you just wrote. Maybe she didn't want you because you're a hypocritical asshole who can't see any thing from another point of view besides your own. Shit you just said was pretty mean.
@LeoLionEye please do state where I was being hypocritical because I can’t find it. Never proclaimed to be nice so don’t really care if this came off as mean. I’m speaking the truth. I’m tired of women seeing things one sided. They don’t care what us ugly men go through, only good looking “alpha” men are the ones they care about. Her story is incredibly one-sided. I already know her side of the story because this has happened to me numerous times, you start to learn what these girls are like after a while.
How about "I’m I suppose to go out and fuck multiple girls at once and not care about their feelings, then walk around like I own the fucking world, then go and treat my girlfriend like shit, then drive my 2018 Ford Mustang to go and pick her up only to just take her back to my place and fuck" Saying all those things you would do that are mean and then refer to yourself as a nice guy.
How about "I’m not judging her for not liking me, I’m judging her for her choice in men." When in fact you are judging her and in a poor light at that too. All while claiming that you care about her.
Or maybe when you actually did indirectly call yourself a nice guy "complain about him to guys like us" and "guys like us can treat her better". When in fact you aren't a nice guy. Nice guys don't act like that. So yes you were being a hypocrite.
@LeoLionEye I never said I would do those things. I was saying those as though she expects me to do that, when I know that I won’t do it.
How is that second statement hypocritical? I never said that she can’t judge me, just said that she shouldn’t be dating assholes.
Treating her with respect doesn’t make you a nice guy, it just means you have common decency, something her boyfriends have lacked. Never claimed to be nice. Don’t “indirectly” take what I said out of context.
Are you a good guy? Or are you afraid of the consequences of being an asshole?
If you want to fuck a bunch of nameless whores and ride off into the sunset in your brand new coupe solo dolo. I say do that. It's far more honest than this "I'm nice" bullshit.
Stop befriending women that YOU WANT TO FUCK. That's dumb as hell.
And what are you trying to prove being nice to women, just because they are women?
Exactly as I said. Salty. And a hypocrite, too. Being an alpha doesn’t mean you’re a fuckboy and only have shitty priorities. It means you don’t let people walk all over you.
You advertise yourself as a nice guy, when in reality, you’re just as bad as the ‘asshole boyfriend’ you’re trying to shame.
You’re ignorance is showing. You’re ignorant to us guys who don’t get girls and how our lives operate. Please point out the hypocrisy. I’ve already debunked one person’s hypocrisy claims. I’ve said NUMEROUS times that I’m not a nice guy. How many times do I have to say that I’m not a nice guy? Maybe if I said that I’m not a nice guy after every sentence, you’ll realize that I’m not a nice guy. The asshole boyfriend is emotionally abusive. I’m not emotionally abusive.
You sure sound emotionally abusive. Lol, IM ignorant? Do you even realize how you sound?
“You’re ignorant to us guys who don’t get girls and how our lives operate”. You’re practically whining.
What point do you not understand? It's not about "nice". The point is in every relationship of your life. YOU ALLOW, WHAT YOU ALLOW, AND IT IS YOUR FAULT. That's the point. If you allowed yourself to remain friends with a woman you had feelings for. YOU took care of her emotional needs. YOU answered her calls and attempted to make her feel better. YOU did all of the things that made her life easier while making your life miserable. Then YOU blame her for it. Yet, my ignorance is showing. Sure, kid, sure.
It seems like the only one that doesn't understand this is the opinion owner. I believe it is because he doesn't want to accept the fact that everything that happened to him is his own fault. It's not the girls nor her asshole boyfriend. It is his. But he is also so immature about it. He claims one minute he is a nice guy but when it is pointed out that what he does makes him an asshole he changes tunexpected and says he never claimed to be a nice guy and instead calls himself an asshole.
He chased after someone who wasn't interested in him but liked his emotional support. He gets fed up and butt hurt over it so he blames it on the girl. Way to go dude that definitely how normal adults act. Maybe you should give up on dating.
The only one making sense in this conversation is @NoFucks2Give. The rest is just "villainizing" the OP for reasons they make up in their minds. If I was the OP I would stop replying to everyone else. I have met good men like OP and it's not a crime to be self aware that u are nice. And that isn't makes a person an asshole. The girl in question claims she is in an abusive relationship. And she wishes the guy was as nice as the OP but the next guy he dates will be still be some abusive mofucker. And if OP is the bad guy to you then ur brain needs rewiring. But the OP can't be mad at whatever decision she makes cos a woman like her can't appreciate a man like him like. A girl would say she is attracted to assholes but want to date good guys and when she finally meets a good man she doesn't know what to do with him. She is not used to being treated right and everything seems perfect but u can she can not connect with the guy not because he isn't good enough but cos of what attracts her
What attracts her and what she gravitates towards is not gonna change overnight even if she gave OP a chance. The only mistake OP made was to continue the friendship after the first rejection. @myTake Owner not all girls are attracted to assholes. Some have a history of dating assholes, some have a have a reputation of walking away when a guy treats her badly, and some are just attracted to attractive guys that a good like u. So just locate a woman that can appreciate and don't waist ur time then it would be ur fault. U can not control other people's action but u can decide ur next move. U can spend time thinking about someone or people who don't give a shit or look for people who could love and be interested in ur humor, ur looks, ur interest and ur heart. Her friends not wanting u don't count and don't expect them to be different cos they are her friends. Just work on ur charisma and ur bruised confidence u will need it.
Dear ANONGUY
This quote :/
- "Listen, I'm sorry about your breakup, I know that he wasn't treating you right, but I want to show you that I'm not like that. I've been wanting to date you for a while now and I'm wondering if you'd like to go on a date sometime next week?"
Never say this shit again in your life. You are smart guy. I'm fkn braindead and i still know why this is stupid (no offence). You look it up yourself. There is a scientific reason why this girl keeps attracting assholes..
Have you read this take yet? If you didn't, you should. She made it very clear she was never interested in you beyond friendship.
Things Women Do and Say When They Are Not That Into You ↗
I know, but I wish she was into me. Most girls aren’t into me, but she seemed different from other girls.
Dude I've tried to defend you because I completely relate to your prob, but the people on this site as you can see, are kinda worthless to talk to about certain things. I have a feeling some of these "girls" on here are actual just guys trolling. Also remember, it's a very international site. Girls can come from places like Russia where it's normal for a woman to have a slave mentality or it's expected at least. Join me though in my journey to troll the trolls on here. Believe me there are ways. And it can be fun af. Nothing like sending a middle finger to a site that deserves it.
@errorgoodnameunfound I would love to troll the trolls, but the reason I’m explaining myself is because sensible people might come and look at the comments and try to make sense out of them. I want to debunk them before they see it and think it’s logical
I hope your wish does come true one day that the girl you like will like you back, but I wonder how smart it was to wait around for a girl who wasn't even single when you met.
Why do friend zoned guys hang with clearly troubled girls who don’t appreciate them?
Oh, right. Her looks & charisma.
Most of these guys are huge hupocrites who are as shallow as the asshole.
There are generally nice girls on his level who like the guy pining for hot chicks.
Let’s just say that I were as shallow as the asshole. Then why would she go with the asshole? Hmm because he’s good looking. Her looks isn’t the reason why I’m so hung up on her. If that were so, I would of moved on. Plenty of beautiful women in the sea, especially in college. It was her personality that got me hooked.
If she’s doing this, her personality isn’t what you think. You’re into her like she is into him.
Lol he like her for personality. Not because she's good looking. You just tried to paint nice guys as a holes.
He’s the one in control of moving on with his life to some girl who DOES like him. He is keeping himself miserable.
Girls with assholes generally have tons of issues. Chicks don’t just come in degrees of beauty - some of them are messed up and you have to move on to the ones who value you.
Thank you for pointing that point out. Guys can be hypocrites, no denying that. But guys seem much more up front about it. girls are picky for good reason trying to find a "good" guy, (who like us, say "HEY WE ARE RIGHT HERE"), yet end up with that "good looking" "confident" prick that rapes her... she runs away... she talks about her probs to another guy who is actually ok and really, doesn't give a fuck about sex or dating (and who is likely successful and happy in the future), to explain her probs and cry. Then once again, runs towards the "GREAT" lookin dude that is an OBVIOUS idiot, but because she "didn't see it at first" (cough, often BS), she stays with him and the cycle continues. I've really started to wonder if women are worth the trouble. There is plenty of pressure to marry one... but why? I can find a guy with a personality I like likely easier and I'm not too into sex anyways, so why bother? Sure, there are decent good women. But if not around ya, then what?
At the end of the day, we’re all only responsible for our own choices. That’s just it. Women & men.
You kinda seem to be hoping a girl that wants a good looking guy gets raped for not choosing the guy who is pining for her too, and that’s not cool.
Where did I say that I hope they get raped? That’s awful and vulgar.
But why do you want to date some girl who you know has shitty standards? My guess is you find her attractive and that's it. You judge her by how she dates yet you want her yourself? She's a full grown adult. If she's going to be in abusive relationships that's her fault and hers alone. Let it happen. You don't have a say.
And do some introspection on why you chase after girls who deny you when you're doing this whole "nice guy" routine and she chooses the asshole. Because what you're doing isn't great either.
It goes beyond me finding her attractive. If I simply just found her attractive, and nothing else, I wouldn't be so hung up on this. She has an amazing personality. She has substance. Yes, I do want to date her. I believe that, if she didn't date assholes, we would be great together. I do have a say when she keeps asking "what do I do?" In that moment, I can tell her the truth and how to end this bad cycle she's doing. I'm not doing this "nice guy" routine, I've even stated that I'm not all that nice, but I am honest and I do have feelings for her. There is no introspection to do. Girls like the asshole because of all the qualities I've listed.
"There is no introspection to do"
There is ALWAYS introspection to do. The wisest people do introspection. There is never any point in any person's life where they shouldn't be doing introspection.
It's her choice to be in that bad cycle. It's not yours to pull her out of it. She has as much freedom of choice to make as you do.
Dude - You sound like a dog barking a the moon. Moon is not going to alter its behavior one bit because of the barking. Women are attracted to confidence-which has a swagger component which is why they are attracted to assholes-they bitch about nice guys not existing but ignore real nice guys. There ARE girls out there who are nice-lovely people-but have flaws. For guys these flaws are often physical-she's "fat" or "out of shape" or other. Be willing to accept someone less than perfect in all aspects means she accepts that in you too and find joy in where you do fit!
Just because you are nice to a woman doesn't mean that the should feel compelled to date you. If you want to date someone then make that clear right away and if a woman wants to just be friends with you then you take what friends you can get. Maybe your new friend can introduce you to some of her freinds.
Think of it like this:
You: vegetables
Douchebags:junk food
Junk food tastes better and looks better, but those can't sustain life, now can they? On the other hand, vegetables are (somewhat) tasty and make you grow stronger as a whole, including fitness and energy! Eventually everyone has to eat a vegetable or two, and those people are the ones you need to be looking for. :)
a funny way to explain things but I like ur opinion. somehow down the road he will meet someone who appreciates him for who he is.
@MyNewAccounting109 Have u ever tried fresh cheese mixed tuna or spiced mushrooms etc. They are so tasty and healthy af. I think ur analogy is just a way girls rationalize their lame ass ways. There are many good guys that are very good looking (the stereotypical nice guy is not blessed with the looks which is misleading), funny, confident and have all that attractive bs but still fail with women. It's either the ways he is good her isn't strange to her or a turn off. Or she only feels the spark for an asshole while there girls who are opposite that kindness and thoughtfulness gives them that good taste.
There is a reason why some people would tell you the most passionate relationship they had was the abusive relationship. It has nothing to do with the nature of the partner but the nature of the person that puts the abusive partner up to that pedestal. A healthy food can taste and look better than junk food.
I'm sure if you said to these girls all these the way you said it here they would give you a chance. Ylu know why we like assholes? Because they show attitude. Like u showed us with this take. The question is why you say all this at an anonymous post and dont behave with that confidence in real life? Try it and many things will change 😊
The thing is, a lot of people, both guys and girls tend to mix attitude with malice when they don't realize that it is separable. Though most of the time, I don't bother hiding my callousness when handling with anyone. I guess the key here is to strike that sweet spot right?
Cause then we have to deal with her assholes boyfriend because she won't.
So confidence doesn't exist unless it's displayed?
@belarus You are confusing confidence with a pissed off boyfriend that the new guy has to deal with, often with violence. Same thing with women who find the other girl.
There's a lot of butthurt women in these comments and to me that says they all fit the description of "the girl who friend zoned the only guy that cares for her". Stop bashing this guy for only seeing the good in women and instead bash your own kind for USING real men like this. The type of men willing to listen to your troubles and caring for you and treating you right. Here you females are complaining about how "he should have just left the girl" or how "he should not have let himself be used like that" like what kind of shit advice is that? Are you all mad at this guy for giving women like this a chance? For believing in them? Instead why don't you all open your eyes and quit using real men as just shoulders to lean on and go ahead and go date some more "bad boys" then complain about how abusive men are and how "men ain't shit" then 1 week later getting a new asshole boyfriend and letting the cycle repeat.
Preech!
These girls will eventually get what they deserve. You can spot them if you look real hard; they're 30 something, sad, miserable and always saying "where are all the good men" I watch this play out at several age levels and it never seem to change. Not all girls are like this but too many are. They mistake arrogance and bravado for confidence not ever realizing that authentically confident men do NOT need to advertise it! Either it is there or it is not. If women would take matters into there own hands and just pursue the guy they like, there would be a lot less misery in the world.
So he's an asshole because he figured it out. When you figure it out you won't be so damned judgmental. What kind of man gets mad at another man because he's getting women. What kind of shit is that?
Wouldn't your first instinct be to emulate what works? SMH
He’s an asshole because his girlfriend calls him that. He emotionally abuses her and does all the things I’ve listed. That’s “figuring it out” to you? Emotionally abusing a gir is the way to go? Cmon man. Have a little respect.
I make people earn respect. I don't give that shit out freely.
He doesn't emotionally abuse her, he does shit she doesn't like and she cries about it. Big deal. He doesn't care, because he's confident enough to know he doesn't need her. I'll be the asshole before I follow a girl around like a sad puppy any day. You'll figure it out.
This is complete shite, hypocritical, and stupid. Emotional abuse relationships are SO hard to get out of, they don't listen to anyone, they don't realise until months after the relationship ends (if it ever does) why he was so bad for her. Don't be mad because she doesn't fancy you, just because your a "good guy" doesn't mean everyones gonna like you.
Hmm. Then why would she get out of one and then get into another one? Admit that you like bad boys. I don’t expect anything from being a “good guy”, but the reason I get turned down is because I’m ugly and skinny. These “bad boys” aren’t.
Because they're easy to fall into!! I personally don't, but everyone has a preference!