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Cursing and overindulging in alchohol is uncouth, period. It doesn't have to concern ladylike things. And doing as you please without any thought of how it affects others is just being an ass, whether lady or gentleman. Lastly, there's nothing wrong with striving to uphold the standards of a lady, and vice versa a gentleman. We should all strive to be the best versions of ourselves, and this modern trend of despising all that is noble and good in the name of a misguided notion of self-serving freedom and individuality is just awful.
I think there’s a happy medium here. For example, If I felt like I could never curse, I’d probably end up doing worse. Sometimes an appropriate f bomb is necessary. But I don’t say it every other word.
This is why Western men are more and more looking at Eastern women. Or at least non-American women.
It's fully you're right to be as masculine as you'd like. And it's fully men's right to think it's unattractive.
You can choose your own actions, but you can't choose what other people can and cannot say or how others perceive you for doing what you want to do.
No woman is perfectly feminine. I wouldn’t want a man who expects a woman to be a Stepford robot anyway.
No. We're all a mix. But masculine likes feminine; and feminine likes masculine. 95% of women don't want a teary-eyed guy who acts like a schoolgirl. Even if they say they do.
Generally, yes. But I’d be a miserable woman if I felt like I couldn’t let out of masculine side once in a while.
Yeah, if men don't find me attractive as I am, I don't wanna be attractive to them.
@robzombiessexfox We'll make an exception for you, because you have style, like the right music, and your haircut is kinda badass. Just don't fart in guy's faces and it's all good.
Lmao thank you
letting out your masculine side doesn't mean being a jerk!! thats what you women do wrong!! Men are relyable, they are protective and they excert dominance without offending the other person!
*real men!!
Who cares what you do or do apologise for ? Couldn't care less..
But many of the things on that list are just super poor form , and would simply mean you are not worth engaging anyhow.
Think well beyond your own Nation , there are vast cultural differences , and the certainly don't want wonderful US of A standards enforced on the world , enough poor influence on Asia already.
Its a case of self respect , respect for your family and those around you , presentation is the first act of self respect.
Poland wishes it could be great like the US of A.
ha ha ha , depends on the individuals circumstance.
We are happy to listen to those with a passport , and world view.
This mytake is really hypocritical. You seem to saying you want people to respect you while you dont care what they think? Which to me is quite disrespectful in itself.
Also isn't it contradictory to go on about what others should think then end with, you shouldn't care what others think?
Just a classic case of having your cake and eat it too.
We guys must conform to her standards of living because this is the 21st century and god damn it having some self respect is oppression!
She wants to be seen as beautiful by being a slob, go ahead and try. Guys won't give a fk
Everyone is allowed to have their preferences. I’ve actually been told that certain ladylike behavior seems fake and put on. I’m not a slob but I’m not a Miss Priss either.
Yay I finally got a dislike!
Shame I dont know why, guess its someone who wants respect without giving it themselves.
I don't expect an apology from a girl, but I would not be in a relationship with a girl who curses, as I do not curse, and not if she added tattoos or had a bunch of them. As I do not drink alcohol, I would not be in a relationship with a girl who drinks. Nor would I be if she didn't "give a damn" what others think, caring about what others think is part of the glue that holds society together. It's OK if she makes her own decisions, and doesn't unduly let the opinions of others effect her decisions, etc. But "not giving a damn" smacks of arrogance and lack of concern and caring for others.
You forgot a big one: Saying NO.
Lots of women are so indoctrinated with the "maintaining harmony above all else" virus that they just can't bear to say NO.
"I'm sorry but..."
"Well, actually, [bullshit explanation intended to spare feelings that are too fragile already]..."
A simple "No, thanks." will do.
Oh, and let's get rid of that rising inflection at the end of sentences, too. It's like seeking approval for everything you say.
Speak sentences that end with periods.
I agree, Im not sure what context you're relating to but In my context Im always worried about hurting others feelings or men that like me or so on. I eventually learnt so say no and it softens the blow a lot surprisingly then leading them on and such. Some though do get a bit pissed off at a No.
@Kaytiee Yes they do. Chicken and egg problem. Women don't say no often or confidently enough... so men develop a certain spoiled entitlement that's shook up when 'no' DOES come... which, if she's at all unsure of herself., may discourage future 'no's from the woman.
It's the same thing that's enforced by the word "bitch". It's only not-okay for WOMEN to be "bitches". (For men in any situation that's even remotely high-stakes or competitive, "asshole" is primarily a compliment.)
It sucks. Hopefully you've got someone you can throw it all off onto -- girlfriends, partner, etc. (Unfortunately, probably not mom, even if you're otherwise very close)
@Kaytiee I'm hoping things have changed considerably. But in my college days I once had to say I'm not interested, I don't want to... go out with this one guy three or four times... It was disturbing. He wasn't attractive, had bad breath and his insistence was equally unattractive. I never said NO because he seemed so desperate, and he was a foreigner and I didn't want to hurt his feelings... THIS is why women don't want to say NO. We know men are delicate creatures who more often are asking women out and more often are getting rejected... We are trying to be kind and compassionate.
I don’t have a problem with any of these things. It comes across as obnoxious and you shouldn’t expect everyone to accept you for doing these things. I certainly don’t. If you don’t care about acceptance than you wouldn’t write a myTake trying to convince others to accept you. We don’t have to.
Good job Mz. Ash.
It should be noted that doing the opposite of these things is ok too, or doing a combination of things.
What's important is that a woman chooses her life herself, and lives it in the way that brings her the best life, as she imagines it. I want that for men too. For everyone.
yes, omg thank you for being one of the only people who is actually being respectful in these comments
You are under no "obligation" to apologize. But on the other side of the argument, no one is under an "obligation:" to like you or your habits.
Geez I should stop exercising, not wear deodorant, dress like a slob, do half ass work, never brush my teeth and drink a case of beer a day. I’ll also fart loudly around women and never act like a gentleman. I will NOT apologize... after all it’s just “how I am”.
I will be proud to be a lazy piece of shit.
But then ill got off an angry rants about women not wanting me. I’ll come up with some sort of bullshit liberal conspiracy that it’s “gender discrimination” and then I’ll find other lazy pieces of shit to complain and protest with.
So like... basically every other incel out there?
The female version of a incel is perfectly described in this take.
Most of these guys girlfriends and wives do these.
My girlfriend is like 2 out 12 of these things. She’s ladylike virtually everywhere she and there is A REASON why that turns me on. It’s feminine and it attracts me. That makes me what to stay with her.
I’m so fed up with this disgusting libtard feminist bs. You want to act that way? Fine. But don’t expect the vast majority of decent men to respect that.
She does more than 2, you just don’t know about it.
Yeah I don’t know about it because she acts like a lady. Same reason I don’t scratch my balls in front of her or spout of any insult that hits my mind. I’m a gentleman.
The whole above take is just a weak pathetic attempt to justify being a lazy, selfish piece of shit.
Again if you want to be a selfish POS suit yourself. But no self respecting, successful man will want to date that.
Sure lol
Here a good one too: saying it "fuck it" and stop pleasing your partner because they pushing it. I remember my piece of shit ex really push my limits and I realize it's okay to call it quit or refuse to do what they want. You don't have to make someone happy 24/7 when they are not being nice and doing it for you.
you're just a horrible person! there is nothing here that is allowed only for guys to do! whoever does these things is either an asshole or a jerk and that includes you!
You are dumb as hell go get laid you loser lol.
I took care of him. He was getting out of hand. Unacceptable.
Lol ik girl he wack he attacking mostly women.
I know. My notifications were blowing up because of him. Not having it.
@MzAsh What idiots told you to apologize for ANY of those things? Just about every lady I have been with in any kind of relationship did many, even most, of those things, and I NEVER expected her to apologize!! That's probably a big part of why I liked them so much, and we got along so well!
One thing you maybe forgot to add, was: Insisting on being the Dominant in bed, at least some times! :)
Thank you for admitting this.
Admitting the truth, and reality? Be who you are, and stop letting 'society' or others make you question what you really think, and feel! I have read some of the horrible sht some dckheaded guys have posted her, when women post, and I get angry!! I can't imagine what women might feel, reading that crap!!!
I think you are on the tight track and just stop taking crap, and the old 'status quo' isn't anymore!!
I love it, when women post things like this, and I support you all the way!
When the haters reply, feel free to use those 'cursing words' telling them what you think of their hate! :) :)
Remember women act lady like for a reason, traditional roles have a thread of truth in them , they evolved over a very long time according to human nature. Women that act like Marxist pigs end up lonely alcoholics wondering why muh feminism didn't produce the utopia they were promised.
You can always do what you want. You're the one who's going to enjoy the consequences. Just don't complain when you can't find a gentleman or ask where all the good Men are 🤷♂️
Also the traits you listed are not those of a real woman... merely a girl.
I still found a good man.
Enjoy
hi there, you may appreciate a uk BBC drama series called Gentlemen Jack it is based on diaries of Anne Lister from 1791 to 1840 she was outstanding for her era and if one considers how she dared to live her life being true to herself in a time where she was eons ahead of her time and damn well stood up for everything she believed in... quite the inspiration xx
for being an asshole?
I basically agree to all those arguments except the first one.
Regardless of men or women, cursing swearing and the use other lewd expressions should not be part of a regular vocabulary.
To me, it shows a lack of education and respect towards the others that like a decent conversation without the need to use cursing words in every sentence.
As for tattoos, I find most of them to be pieces of art but I would never have one myself.
The only thing I disagree with the sex part. If you are woman who doesn't treat herself like a temple but instead let's any trash she wants into her simply because she can then no I'm not going to respect her, I'm not going to support her and I'm going to let the world know it.
Be smart with who you have sex with. Pick and choose carefully. That goes for men too.
what no!! there's a lot of other things that are wrong there! like cursing doesn't make a woman manly it just makes her a jerk! she doesn't have the right to end an infants life with an abortion and i believe exercise of abortions should be banned everywhere!! And the others about alcohol and body image are just disgudsting!
It is a free country, you have the choice to be as lazy, disgusting, and rude as you want to be, just don't expect other people to like you
I'll remember that the next time I see a lazy, disgusting, rude guy.
The problem is, a lot of people don't say anything if a guy does the things listed in this post/"MyTake" but they do when a woman does the same thing. It's a double standard. That's the issue.
@bailey11 no they say that he is a jerk!!
*and an asshole!
Don’t complain when men don’t want your hairy ape hair covered, foul mouthed, man spreading, unskilled sisters. But hey, at least he can share his mustache wax with ya
I have never had to apologize and personally I think we're going back to the days of oppression.
Cursing, kids, shaving, tattoos, pants, smiling, none of those are required.
Sorry that you had that one person tell you to do those, whether it be your mother or that one random guy on the street, but we're not constantly told to do those things unless out of respect and kindness (which isn't gendered when taught).
Having kids isn't pressured on or anything, abortion is even supported. Men sit like that to not crush their balls (I have been told). 'Manspreading' is what that they're being criticized for, not women. Simple stuff like smiling, shaving, and not giving a damn is not a systematic issue or a worldwide epidemic because they aren't punished for such.
More men do this so it's more common to see these behaviors through them, but that doesn't mean it's liked or whatnot.