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Apope16: "Women make a philosophical debate personal"
Apope16: " I had sex last night, she told me this the last night I had sex, I am a sex toy, I am a ladies man, my best friend wants to have sex with me, my fuck buddy and I had sex, I am a high quality men, yes I do think I am a high quality man, treat me like I'm Brad Pitt"
Yeah, he's a delusional idiot.
Good point.
I'm always baffled by men and women when they generalize. It is apparent they like dealing with the women and men they distain. You are what you entertain. They see themselves as value but deal with "what they proceed" as trash so call trying to put value to. I honestly get confused with men and women that think like this. A high value man or woman will not even bother with individuals like this. The can spot BS miles away. And, if you can see the manipulation or seduction of a woman, why would you be with her? "Sex" nothing more. Nothing less. Yet, she's at fault for your shallow thinking and lack of control of your sexual desires. Go figure.
@YourGirlGigi Well said. People like him simply aren't intelligent, as harsh as it sounds. But it's true. Because an intelligent person is reflective enough to understand that their personal experiences are 1) not a 1:1 projection of how things are in general, and 2) subject to very heavy bias that we all have. As you said, we are what we entertain. If he was intelligent and reflective, he's see this. He'd understand the difference between the women he associates himself with, because of what he attracts, and womankind in general.
In another post he claimed he's not a misogynist because he loves women. As if that made him less of a misogynist. "I'm not racist, I love black people!" Same nonsense. You can still be racist if you continuously generalize people based on racial stereotypes or your personal experiences with them. Stereotypical thinking, whether it's about a gender or a race, is for simpletons. The argument that stereotypes are based in truth is also just a bullshit cop-out.
Oh, and how long will it take before some guy here accuses me of being a "white knight"? Haven't heard that in a while.
"White Knight" What's the so call meaning of this name calling? SMH
Blanket statements- no matter what gender- is usually taken personally. Because its labeling someone who may be very much different than the general.
I speak out about general male tendencies and it also offends them. Because people are different and their gender may not dictate their personality as much as people assume.
Usually "deabtes" about gender tendencies are more of the negative aspect of their nature.
@dutchgirl97
"I speak out about general male tendencies and it also offends them."
Are you using a misandric narrative? If so you are getting what you deserve.
I used to when i was younger. Then i learned that i was wrong. Everyone matures.
A large part of women are unable to distinguish the subject from the object. This happens not because they are women, but because they are extremely self-centered people. If you try to have a discussion with an egocentric male you will have the same result.
Good point. But if its most women who reply this way... then its not just a few egos. Its theor nature.
The basic problem is that society rewards women who behave in an egocentric way. And for the most part this is endogenous.
I think it's just the over generalization is the issue here tbh.
Personally I've met some pretty honest and logical women and they often say similar things. These conversations are taken intimately not so much as philosophically so to speak.
Also context and tone is also very important when having a conversation. I actually got into some trouble at work just for saying good work to a female colleague (I'm the senior and trainer for the unit) because apparently due to tone. I've seen made adjustments but yeah it happens 🤷♂️
Women aren't the ones who are creating an entire movement that purports to "Go Their Own Way" and constantly harp on and on about how they are avoiding the other sex - but yet, every person in this movement still strangely, can never seem to stop talking, whining, and moaning about the other sex. For a movement that's all about avoiding the other sex, they sure do spend a lot of time talking about members belonging to that other sex :) Most famous example of someone who takes everything personally and writes supposedly scathing but unintentionally humorous comments on their Twitter? Donald Trump. Last time I checked, Mr. Trump was a man.
@dantetheexplorer
We MGTOWers are full of shit? Is that what you are saying? Fine. Do you have access to pussy or are you in the friendship zone? Sure you can lie to me and if you do I won't care because it doesn't affect me but you'll also have to lie to yourself which could be taxing to your mental health.
@joeblow123 Excellently logical, impersonal answer, without letting any emotions or drama dictate your words 👏 [sarcasm]
When I see some of the questions and comments posted on this site it almost makes me ashamed of having a vagina. I ponder how these girls have managed to survive into adulthood with their lack of basic logic and reason.
I'd agree a lot more if you weren't a prime example of what you just claimed to be embarrassed of
Life has a way of bringing them back down. They get excited by the male attention and confuse men wanting sex with men desiring THEM. They make bad choices, squirt a few kids and no one is interested. Same with the F-boys who age and find that they now lack the ultimate aphrodisiac for women-$$$
@purplepoppy
Logic and reason are male traits.
Ohhh there is a wealth of girls out there that are either dumb as rocks, or, even worse, ACT as dumb as rocks.
There are at least as many males out there that do the same thing.
I'm a girl and I honestly do agree to an extent. I generally try to keep my emotions out of debate if it doesn't require it. I like to lay out the facts and then form my opinion. Tons of men don't use the emotional side of debate though. There honestly HAS to be a balance otherwise both sides aren't very good at arguing. For things like abortion, I'll include my own personal opinion. On the other hand, when I'm trying to make an analytical argument I'll try to keep my personal opinions out of the argument too much. It really does depend on the topic and the people around you.
Umm... men do literally all of the things you mentioned. Ever heard of the hashtag #NotAllMen? It was made by men because 1. similarly to women, men take things personally (I am not like that!), and 2. similarly to women, men say "not all men are like that!"
#3 (being a loser who can't get laid) is a common stereotype about feminists, that they're bitter because they can't get boyfriends, so yes, men do make these accusations also.
#5, men refer to women as "misandrists."
#5, men refer to Feminists as "misandrists."
There fixed it for you.. I and most men dont see women like that just the radical feminists..
ummm it a two way street
and i agree with you to a certain degree.. And i know you may find it hard to believe but it is mostly men who partake more so in these debates. I love debating. But it always mostly with males. Always with males.
Like this site is mostly well males.
I know when i want to talk about politics. it not fun getting ganged up on 20 males on these site. It never fails
Nah im no the type to fight back. too much energy. But i i know a lot of women who do have strong views , they can come off as if it personal. I seen it myself but the few of us who can carry a debate well and with out it being personally well we get drown out by both parties.
I think the issue here is, these incel guys on this site spend all day at the computer watching "feminism pwned" videos because they are angry that women won't talk to them (yep, number 3), then go into little chats and jerk each other off about how dumb women are and how we can't debate pointless topics online with some loser who thinks he is a philosopher because he watches YouTube all day 😂 what would I know though, i am just a triggered emotional female 🤷♀️
@HartleyB
yes i agree mostly with that as well. Honestly, I would love a site where it just girls ask girls. I personally would love to ask questions and not be attack about 20 guys. Most the guys on here dont even read your answer and just act like they are always right.
it really starting to kill the vibe on here more more i log on. One thing for sure im think GAG was made more so for just guys or by a guy.
Girl you are spot on! It isn't just this site though, it is everywhere online, I would love a site like that! But even when they existed, guys always infiltrated it and start indulging in sexual conversations to get off and fetishes not for the conversational aspect but because they wanted to jerk off to women talking about sex and also demeaning the women involved, it's frustrating really.
I'm not man hating, I know a lot of lovely guys but dam there are so many weird and horrible guys online 😅
@HartleyB
i agree. I asked one of my homeboys does he ever think like that he he goes no. I said do you know any guys who think like that. he goes no.
So why are so many guys like that on the internet. he said good point and that probably why i dont know them becasue they to busy making the internet thier real life.
I'm going to follow you, you are my vibe 😂 I did the same thing with a guy friend of mine and came to the same conclusion 😅
@HartleyB following back!
ha great minds think alike!
@HartleyB
"jerk each other off"
Tell you what. If I let you jerk me off will that make you feel better?
@gravedoll
"I would love a site where it just girls ask girls."
Just go to a lesbian dating site.
@HartleyB
would love a site like that! But even when they existed, guys always infiltrated it and start indulging in sexual conversations to get off and fetishes not for the conversational aspect but because they wanted to jerk off to women talking about sex and also demeaning the women involved, it's frustrating really.
You also wrote:
"I think the issue here is, these incel guys on this site spend all day at the computer watching "feminism pwned" videos because they are angry that women won't talk to them (yep, number 3), then go into little chats and jerk each other off"
It sounds like you are obsessed with fantasies of men jerking off.
"it's frustrating really."
I'm sure it is.
Just add parentheses ("") to the first paragraph. It's a quote.
Middle and upper-middle class women (soccer mom's) in America...
*Do not think seriously. (Logically and fact-based)
*Have not been taught to think seriously at home or in primary and secondary schools.
*Do not want to think seriously.
*As a consequence, do not teach their children to think seriously.
And that's who AntiFA are.
Deranged Feminist Women: How long would you would survive in the Philippines or Malaysia (both have English speakers)? Women in the third world have had no choice but to think seriously because their cultures do not shield them from the consequences of unserious thinking.
I don't. I'm a criminal defense attorney, I can't afford to personalize debate and I don't. Interestingly, I notice guys and girls both on GAG resorting to ad hominems and name-calling in a discussion. Civil discourse online seems to have gone out the window, gender immaterial. There sure is a lot of e-courage out there.
well, F you, then! lol, jk.
@Sabretooth :-) :-) :-) :-)
sorry, i couldn't resist myself.
I must have teed it up for you. No worries. I have a real thick skin and score way low on the empathy scale.
nah. just trolling ya.
@Sabretooth Troll on then :-) Happy Saturday!
Thanks, you too. I troll every once in a while.
But you will intentionally stay away from a debate if the logical conclusion of the debate will negatively affect you, or a group or thing that you're idealogically vested in.
@glenns Not true. Debating here is a lot like mental masturbation. I debate where it counts. Here it's just noise.
While it's true that the effects of your debates will prove much more valuable in, say, the courtroom, masturbation nevertheless delivers an orgasm that's just as real as the slam dunk legal proceeding. So, why not exercise the effort to debate on the forum since it's almost as much fun?
@glenns Thanks for the invite, but I'm indifferent when it comes to debate over men v. women, how each sex thinks or processes information, emotional v. logical, ad infinitum. It's enough for me to get popcorn and watch the dialog go from "I see what you're saying, but..." to Dan Akroyd on the old SNL telling Jane Curtin "JANE, YOU IGNORANT SLUT." It's good for a laugh.
It is a fact that men are much smarter than women,
@Sabretooth Ah, the old provocative elicitation bait technique. You did that well. Not real well, but pretty well. I've used it a few times myself. The original post is laced with it as well. It reminds me of the internet meme of a guy behind a table with a sign that makes a provocative statement, with the words "change my mind" underneath. The wise one ignores such provocation, knowing nothing can really change another's mind on matters of opinion, no matter what one puts forward to support an opposing opinion.
I'm sure I can anticipate a retort such as "studies prove" or "statistics show" or something with the word "science" threaded in it.
lol. really? adding deep logic? cheater! lol.
@Sabretooth ;-)
I think everything is somehow absorbed personally. It takes a pretty dramatic life experience to become self-aware. and understand that their ego is the driving force controlling your life. It takes even more to be mindful of that. Abstract ideas that seem logical are always based- consciously or not-on the emotions that mold those ideas. The very small & newest developed part of the brain is the neo-cortex- the part that processes information logically. Much older and larger is the limbic area of the brain that responds to fear, lust, hunger, safety and sex. The neo-cortex fashions these urges into what we call logical/sensible ideas.
That doesn't mean the idea is wrong, it's just that is sprung from a deeper older well.
Anecdote does not equal evidence.
the women you have come across, probably observe the bullshit you put out as personal attacks, or gender based attacks rather than philosophy.
If that is the case, I'd be more inclined to look at your end of things as the problem.
To counter your anecdote, for shits and giggles, sure I have come across a couple of women who take debates personally, but by far the larger proportions eagerly engage in philosophical debate.
A large number of males I have spoken too however are incapable of stepping out of their narrow identity politics to discuss things philosophically.
Anecdote countered. So now you are back to square 1 without meaningless anecdote to rely on.
You know... I am a woman but I agree with you. Often when debating about social issues I defend my opinion from a personal POV or experience, which makes me more vulnerable for being personally ofended. I am capable of debating more scientifically though, I just don't do it that often I guess.
This is another reason why women are far more likely to be in subservient roles. They aren't as capable as men to make big decisions. Ceos, investments and time value of money, head of household... they just fail at these things (not all not all not all). I have to say that for the women. Smh.
But the high quality women know and accept their weaknesses and allow men to help them in those ways. Just like men have our own weaknesses and high quality men accept that and find women to fill in the gap too.
This website is a shiteshow, but if anything, the men are far worse and become embittered and attack you personally over nothing. The women just don't give a shite about any of this, which makes them far more intelligent.
Not that you don't get female nutters here. There's quite a few here for certain!
@Levin
Virtue signaling is just going to get you friendship zoned.
" the men are far worse and become embittered and attack you personally over nothing."
When you start winning debates you will feel differently.
@Levin
"This website is a shiteshow"
No argument there.
@joeblow123 Again, bad vibes. You're just proving my point.
@Levin
From me? I'm just telling it like it is. Now when you make misandric blanket statements as you did that is bad vibes.
Every post that you post has something to do with women and how bad we are... That closet is getting full you may need to come out
@BlckGrl
Okay. So every time you talk shit about men you are having a lesbian moment. Okay. Good to know.
Which one of your exes did I fuck? Damn lol
@BlckGrl
I'm an MRA/MGTOW so I don't get into relationships.
Or should I say relationshits.
@joeblow123 I hope God can heal you someday...
@HartleyB
Fondle my penis. That would help out a lot.
@joeblow123 I probably would, I do like beta boys :)
Just like men there are women who take it personally and some who don't.
But it's sad when people try to generalize an entire race or sex based off of a small group that they had experiences with
I mean some do but there's men who are just like that too. It's nothing to do with gender it has to do with someones maturity level and the women you debated were very immature. I advise you to surround yourself with more intelligent and mature people and you won't find yourself in that situation.
Dude. You post shit like this almost everyday. You're pathologically obsessed with your resentment towards women. I mean this in the most respectful way possible - but please shut the fuck up now. We get it, you're an incel.
Its a fascination for sure. The little bubble I go to outside my normal life for free philosophical thought and expression. Exploring boundaries of societal consciousness. Internet Freedom.
Yeah whatever. You need professional help. And stay the fuck away from women. For their sake, not yours.
How is having an opinion somehow dangerous to society? I respect everyone. I can tell you there are many so called womens rights people that have been raping women. You can start with Joe Biden and Bill Clinton for one.
The fact that you would mention Clinton and Biden, but not THE rapist of them all - Trump - is proof of what an ideologicay biased and disingenuous asshole you are.
"Having an opinion" is not what's dangerous, and I never said that. It's the fact that you negatively stereotype womankind. Are you really that retarded to not see what you're doing? Dude, just switch "women" with "black people" and this is pure racism. So how is this not pure misogyny? But let me guess, now you're gonna tell that negatively stereotyping black people isn't racist because [insert statistics here without any meaningful social and historical context], right?
Having an opinion is on women is not dangerous for women. Being a misogynist asshole is dangerous for women. You generalize women in a ngeative way in every post of yours and you negatively stereotype them. THAT is by very definiton misogyny and nothing else. Whether you like to call it that or not. And thta IS dangerous for women, just like racism is dangerous for people of that race.
You act all "rational" and "philosophical" but it's extremely easy to look past that superficial pseudo-rational manner of yours. Everything you say about women proves what an irrational, hyper emotional-driven neckbeard you truly are. You are the very thing you accuse women of - you form your opinions on your personal EMOTIONAL experiences, not on rational thought. And no matter how calmly you respond, none of that will change that fact. And all the women who get "offended" by you, do so because that's the only rational response to reactionary bullshit like yours. A black person being offended by being judged based on their skin color - that's the rational response to an emotional, irrational racism (or misogyny, in your case).
You're the irrational. You got hurt or disappointed by the women in your life. So what. You're intellectually so weak that you now have to blame womankind. What a doofus you are.
And the next time you want to name politicians who are rapists, you name Trump first. Because if accusations are all we know, he's #1 BY FAR. Otherwise it just makes you look dishonest, biased, and plain dumb.
See what an irrational poser you are? Fuck off.
So please do us all a favor and stop acting like an intellectual when you're clearly the opposite of that.
Don't bother responding. I'm done here.
I am a Liberal. i do not support Trump. My intellectual reasoning told me in my last response to you that it was highly likely that you were a progressive liberal as well. Therefore, in an effort to point out the hypocrisy of your apparent beliefs about me, I attempted to only focus on individuals representative of the political party you likely support. That is why Trump wasn't mentioned. If I thought you were conservative I would only mention Trump.