Howard Scott Warshaw, the creator of Yars Revenge, gave a talk about the game at GDC. Yars was released in 1982 for the Atari VCS, and if you haven't played it, its a space shooter where you play a big bug and you have to shoot a cannon at this spaceship thing, and you load your cannon by eating its shields - describing it doesn't really do it justice...
It's pretty incredible! Anyway, he was saying, they were "Play Testing" the game, which meant something somewhat different than what 'playtest' today means. Basically they had people come in and play two games, give their details, and rate the two games. One was somethig that was already out & doing well, & the other was the game they were testing. Basically, they wanted to see how people compared it to games on the market before they released it.
Yars outperformed the game it was running against in the test scores - which was 'Missile Command', a very popular and beloved game. The playtest scores are sorted into four categories: Boys, Girls, Adult Men, and Adult Women, so they can see who they might want to market it to. Yars overwhelmingly performed the best with one group: adult women. Atari marketed it to boys.
Why? Who knows... Warshaw says there was 'a lot of politics' at Atari, which is something Warren Robinett (Adventure, 1980) also talked about during his GDC talk. Atari was a weird company. Warhsaw suggests it didn't fit their profile for what adult women want to play: it was a space shooter, which is something women "dont want to play" according to Marketing (who, he adds sarcastically, "dont play games but know all about who wants to play games"). Atari felt like they were struggling to make games that would appeal to adult women, but kept marketing the games women liked to boys! (Ironically, one of the two female developers at Atari - Carla Meninsky - worked on Star Raiders, another space shooter!)
Anyway, here's my answer: women generally dont hate videogames, but people generally misuderstand how women feel about videogames, and the kind of games women like are often misunderstood or not considered.
P. S. can you imagine what shmups would look like today if they had been marketed to women, and not boys? I can't really imagine it. Regardless, I'm pretty happy with how shmups turned out - dead in the water for the industry, but in continual elaboration in the doujin & freeware world. Some genres only have life when they lose mainstream appeal...
"P. S. can you imagine what shmups would look like today if they had been marketed to women, and not boys? I can't really imagine it."
Ok, so I gotta ask, this is your overarching point that, despite women liking a given game, they are "marketed" to boys.
But what does that mean? To market to a given gender? I don't understand.
Why would there be a difference in say, marketing Space Invaders, Yar's Revenge, Asteroids, Metal Slug, or G-Darius to boys vs to girls? Or rather what about those games (or any other arcade game) would be any different? Wouldn't it still be the exact same game? Is Primal Rage marketed to boys? or do women just not like giant monsters beating eachother up?
I think when guy's ask the question "Why do women hate video games" or anything similar to that, what we are really asking, is why do women not like the same subjects, genres, gameplay that men like.
For example if you look at the player bases for first person shooters, fighting games, hack-n-slash, or other actiony combat driven stuff, you know, thrills, explosions, epic battles, flashy visuals, laser guns, monsters, aliens, dinosaurs, giant bugs, ninjas, soldiers, etc. very few of the players regarding these sorta of games are female.
But as men, we don't know why such things don't appeal to most women, we don;t understand why they are viewed as macho stuff only men like, or if women do like that stuff, why they don't get into such things to the extent that men do.
Another way to look at this, is if I were developing a game, I'd want women to want to buy "macho" games as much as men, rather than having to change the subject, context, visuals, or gameplay to apeal to some other audience (to which, I can only assume is what you mean by martketing to a gender).
And as a male player, if say I wanted a gamer girlfriend, I'd prefer one that likes those sorts of things in games and isn't going to only want to play minecraft or pokemon with me.
Now there are outliers, like for example monster hunter world was very popular with women, and while I love that series, I can't pick anything out of it that would explain why it got more female attention that other actiony games about fighting monsters/dragons/etc.
@TheSpaceGnome the point you're making is a good one, although I take the opposite position. Let me explain...
When I say 'marketed', I mean things like advertising strategies and, particularly, which aisle of the toystore items get put under. There is a market-conscious feedforward on how things are designed, especially now (we like to complain about 'design by committee'), but we don't need to really deal with that to see the problem. Warshaw's point is that he made a game - an awesome space shooter - and in the playtest, adult women loved it. Atari, because they had stupid ideas about videogames, decided they're really for kids, so they decided to market it to kids even though it was most popular with adults. Then, because they had stupid ideas about gender, they decided shooters are obviously for males, even though females actually loved it. So at the point of sale, you're buying Yars Revenge where you buy things that are for boys. This has a huge impact on who actually plays it. A lot of parents won't buy anything for their kids if it's from the wrong aisle. Parents are worried about letting their little girls have anything that doesn't come in a pink box. So then Atari get the stats back and, hey, guess what, mostly boys bought it, and they think they made the right call and keep marketing space shooters to boys. So the culture that develops around space shooters is that mostly boys play it, but thats an artifact of how the games are sold.
My strong belief is that there isn't really such a thing as 'macho' games, 'macho' interests. Women love that stuff. Do you know how, in the erotica market, the women who write smut market to the women who read smut? They put a girl with huge tits and a skimpy outfit on the cover. Women *eat that stuff up*. So do men. Some people see the sexualization of women as an artifact of the malze gaze, but we actually see it as much or even more when the male gaze is expected to be minimal or absent. Here is my argument: thrills, explosions, giant bugs, and ninjas are not objects of desire which one can have or lack a desire for. They ARE desire. What is the 'rule of cool' but the law of excessive, passionate desire? Explosions, gore, and epic combat are intensities of overflowing stimulation; they make all hearts rejoice. While I might prefer some over others, and might have a distate for one, like a person who loves animals can have a phobia of spiders, it is a luxurious sort of preference, adjustements along a shifting surface of desire.
Here is my proof: if these are the 'macho' desires, what are the 'feminine' desires? If men are interested in these things, what are women interested in? Here is the problem as I see it. Women do not have another kind of desire, a taste for different objects of desire, and they do not have other interests. They have NO desire, NO taste, NO interests. Women are trained to be anchorites who minimize their desire and never express it. You can demonstrate this to yourself by walking down the boys aisle and the girls aisle in any toy store. Boys do not just have guns and bugs to play with, they have construction, sports, puzzles and so on. Women have dollhouses and horses, repeated indefinitely, activities which contain virtually no actual play. They are little more than training for domestic adulthood. When they are too old for colouring books boys begin to play videogames, girls begin to do nothing at all. There are NO activities appropriate for young girls, except for household chores, caring for their younger siblings, and watching television. When women become adults they are undersocialized, terrified of their desires, cynical and miserable.
Let me give you two examples from my life. My mother is an adult woman in her fifties. She has a hobby which is these days typically called 'crafting', which involves scrapbooking, decopage, collage and so on. This is generally considered a women's hobby and most crafters are women or homosexuals. Despite this, my grandparents constantly harass her about it, calling it a waste of money, asking what the point is and so on. My hobbies are virtually all traditionally male ones. The study of philosophy and history are traditionally male; even I can name very few female philosophers (Hypatia, none of whom's work survives, and Anscombe, who is not anyone's favourite). Yet whenever my grandparents have an opportunity they mock and denigrate my hobby. It's a waste of time, I just buy big books that I never read to look smart, and so on. There is no suggestion that either art or learning are invalid activities, their issue is only that WE do them. Women are not punished for what we desire, but BECAUSE we desire.
But this is only the general case. First of all, it is becoming much less so, for this or that reason. In the generation after us, for example, most girls seem to play videogames. The girl's aisle is in a much better state than when I was growing up, there are more sports teams for girls, and so on. If all of this is true we can expect the difference to minimize. But we also find that, for the most part, women are not really so frigid as we're supposed to be or do not stay that way forever. My mother had no real interests or hobbies until she was in her 40s, but then she got very into crafting, and because of what she believed about raising children, she cultivated my intellectual interests until I became the neurotic that I am today; even as a teenager I had excessive passions, a voracious appetite, and fell in quickly with those sorts of girls who took drugs and slept with older guys. Many women express their desires in secret, forbidden ways; shoplifting and coke are associated with women. But how many women do that? We have to admit, not many. How many women look for smut ebooks with a big titted goth qt on the cover? We have to admit, not many. How many women study history and philosophy? We have to admit, not many. How many women play videogames? We have to admit, not many. Because women express their desires wherever they can; women desire in a hurry, like lovers fucking on the Berlin Wall. So in any particular interest or hobby we find only a few women, but no matter where we go we find women who desire passionately.
To live in a world where women were allowed to love shmups we would have to live in a world where explosions, giant bugs and epic battles were not already 'macho''. Where women's desire is liberated, not regulated by market mechanisms that create the demographics they predict. That's the point. Not that we'd see shmups with 'feminine' concerns (which, incidentally, DID happen; the most popular shmup today is Touhou, which combines the space shooter gameplay with the slice of life genre and has an all-girl cast that women love). But that we'd see awesome spaceships and explosions as an important part of women's pop culture.
There is a lego isle, a star wars isle, a jurassic world isle, a transformers isle, a sports isle, a hotwheels and matchbox and tractor isle, a pokemon, magic card and yugioh isle, an isle with little kids cartoon action figures like paw patrol, dora, or bob the builder, a doll and dollhouse isle, and rc car and helecopter etc isle, a superhero isle, 1 isle per console for each systems video games, etc.
There is an isle per subject or group of subjects, not per gender, thats what you see in a typical department store or toy store.
And for places like gamestop, every game is lumped by system, with no reference to gender isles whatsoever, at most you get a new releases section and used games section, and sometimes it's alphabetical, rarely is it by genre.
In digital storefronts like psn, nintendo e-shop, microsoft store, and steam, nothing is seperated by gender catagories, at best it's loose game genre lumping, at worst it's completely unorganized.
There is never any boys or girls isle for video games in any physical or digital shop, I'm 35 and I've not seen it once anywhere.
If parents are only buying things in the doll isle for girls, then thats a parent issue, not a marketing issue. And if little girls aren't bugging mom and dad to get them a spaceship lego set or a jurassic park t. rex or that copy of aliens vs predator for xbox 360, odds are they probably don't want it.
Organizing toys and games by type of product makes sense from a "you need to find this thing, buy it, and leave" perspective, it's not something to change.
You still haven't answered my question by the way, how would a product be changed to be marketed to girls? your answer is to I suppose change which isle isle it's in, but if I'm looking in the isle that has just random shit thrown into it that says "boys" or "girls" above it, rather than product subject type catagorization, it's going to be a pain to find anything.
There is something else I wan't to point out, I don't buy shit from the sports or hotwheels isle, I buy aliens and predator figures, star wars figures, jurassic park/world figures, gundams, zoids, and really anything that is dinosaur or bug related and looks realistic.
I buy nerd shit, I git nerd shit when being a merd was socially shunnned, regardless of what isle it was in or who it was meant for or what age it said on the packaging, and I think the average child cares fuck all about where a toy is in a store, they are just like, mommy i want dis one get me dis one, then mom is like, that ones pricey, and you end up getting the exploding scorpion alien instead of the alien queen hive set with goop in it.
And lets be honest here, most parents are penny pinchers, they buy stuff only when their kid won't shut up about it after the kid sees it either in an isle or on tv or the internet. The times when a parent has to go to the store by themselves and guess what to get their kid are rare at best.
There is a video game recommendation engine called "quantic foundry", it gives you a questionaire asking various things about what you like and dislike about video games, then suggests games you might like based on your answers (it also gives you a profile of what type of gamer you are).
The harvested data found that most girls who did the questionaire had completely different taste in games than most guys, with the females prefering exploration, mundane things like farming or town managment, match 3 games, or other casual stuff, with outliers being world of warcraft, minecraft, dragon age inquisition, mass effect, fable, and a few others.
My question though is why, why aren't more women going into the microsoft store or psn and buying fighting games, first person shooters, character action games, hack-n-slash games, etc.
All that showed was a bunch of unverifiable claims, and some pretty absurd ideas, like the idea that if it's not pink, girl's won't think they are allowed to have it.
It would have made more sense to do this in google images by the way, and even more so to watch videos of people inside toy and department stores.
That said, I did it anyway, and my original observations still stand.
Also the primary topic is video games, which have never been arranged in a storefront by gender.
basically, if whenever I speak from my experience you will say 'I have a different experience', and whenever I try to point to the empirical research you will dismiss it as hogwash, I have no idea how we could ever discuss any subject whatsoever.
Simply going to any store that sells video games (via brick n mortar or digital) proves my point that this "issue" really isn't/wasn't a thing, as would watching videos of other's doing so.
Also prove to me a logical reason why a girl can't enter an isle for the lego sets, transformers, or jurassic park toys and point out things they want.
Basically, when making the "it wasn't marketed to me" claim, a person can either make the argument that product makers and/or venders impeded their ability to buy something in some way, or they can make the argument that the reason they didn't buy it is because they didn't want it.
@TheSpaceGnome I don't know how to give you better evidence than to point you towards the empirical research on the subject. You're choosing not to engage with it; you called it "unverifiable".
By 'logical reason' you mean 'anecdotally', and I gave you the anecdotal reason already: parents are worried about their girls engaging in activities they think are inappropriately gendered because they have fixed ideas about gender. For example, in my mother's nursery, they have a dress-up area with costumes. Very often boys will put on dresses and they don't try to stop them; but very often, if their parents come to collect them and find them in a dress, they scold them and forbid them from wearing it. Children DO desire to engage in 'gender inappropriate' activities, but in our culture they are very seldom allowed. I believe this exerts a very strong influence on parenting, and parenting exerts a very strong influence on children's behaviour: they learn what they are allowed to ask for, what they aren't. And I beleive that companies and stores know about all of this and attempt to sell products to parents with these ideas. All of these three agencies together make up the desiring-situation.
Re: boys aisles and girls aisles. There is a girls aisle; come on. Sometimes it does say 'GIRLS', but it doesn't always. Sometimes it's just a big pink aisle with only dolls in it (which is as if it said 'GIRLS'). No, there isn't a boys aisle exactly; the boys aisle is the rest of the store. But I'm also obviously using 'girls aisle' and 'boys aisle' a little metaphorically where they're standing in for 'things which will read as marketed for boys to parents' and 'things which will read as marketed for girls to parents', which are typically external to the product itself.
w/r/t videogames: when Yars Revenge came out you would have got it in a toy store because there were no game stores, and it would have been placed with other boy-appropriate material. Otherwise, why would Atari be doing a gender/age segregated playtest to figure out who to market it to? Can you explain that any better than 'Atari explicitly discussed and utilized the gendered marketing devices that we have good empirical evidence for'? What you're arguing is crazy, please understand that: it's completely reality-denying and willfully blind to facts in evidence.
Games are still bought at toy stores, and as parents and companies and, at least tacitly, the store, still sort aisles into 'the girls aisle' and 'the boys aisles' they do generally signal themselves as boy-appropriate. However, this isn't where we most games are purchased, no, they are normally bought at Gamestop. But this doesn't do what you want it to do. The problem is even more serious; how many parents even take their little girls to Gamestop in the first place? But really today Gamestop is in trouble and games are bought online or downloaded. I would say that the parents, advertisers and vendors can now exert a weaker influence and we do indeed find more girls playing videogames today.
Regardless, at that part of the argument I wasn't talking about videogames anymore but speaking more generally about gender-appropriate toys, hobbies, activities and desires. The point isn't so much that parents don't buy their girls videogames or girls dont ask for them because the process starts much earlier. Girl's desires and, especially, how they are able to express them are strongly conditioned by their parents, their siblings, the school and so on. By the time videogames are thought to be age-appropriate they have already had very strong forces acting on them to teach them not to express their desires and they have been trained to be aware of which desires are appropriate. In nursery, while boys put on dresses, little girls play with dinosaurs and construction. But by primary school we find already they are usually brought into line. The fact is that no matter what desiring-situation you investigate, in ordinary civil society you will find it arranged to constrain girl's desires and their possible expression.
The problem with you SpaceGnome is that you've seen other people argue successfully and you try to import their techniques into situations where they don't make sense. I give you evidence and you call it "unverifiable" because that usually works, I make an argument and you ask me for a "logical reason", I tell you my own experience and you say you had a different one, and after everything you say the "burden of proof" is on me. You have misused every single little device you know. These are not shortcuts; you have to understand what your interlocutor is saying before you can actually engage with them. Generosity and comprehension are also virtues in argument. You must change your life or you will end up giving all your money to Yudkowsky.
I dont really hate it but honestly it irritates me time to time. My boyfriend is a gamer, not a pro type but he games regularly and he explained to me that its his hobby and how he connect with his friends. I totally understand that and I dont mind. It irritates me the most when he comes home claims he is so tired then he got all boost up gaming right after dinner and leave me on the bed alone to sleep then he climbs to the bed told me how tired he is. I guess I can never understand why he keeps saying tired tired tired but put his time on the screen then to the bed to sleep. Lol It irritates me and I feel like "Well you deserved it coz you didn't rest" ... but I never hated it as he never treated me as an interruption when I need his attention in between his games. Just as the destiny 2 came up recently, Im adjusting again how he goes all crazy about it, now its still alright as he would still keep his gaming in time not like sitting there for the whole night.. I accept it but still adjusting really lol
Maybe it is something you two should communicate about besides bottling it up. If it is an issue, try and compromise, if it isn't too big of a deal, that is cool to. We all have to deal with something we don't like right?
@MackFreeze Its not exactly like an issue between us, we always communicate when it comes to the point where I wouldn't stand it anymore. We compromise but just irritates me when Im doing completely nothing while he is gaming for hours.. lol I do try to look for things to do while he is gaming tho... Im happy tho as he is willing to limit his gaming time as I told him to, coz I understand once guys get to game, hours mean a few minutes lol
@Dim1213 I would understand that ;) I told him I got irritated sometimes because I feel like an idiot there too. Its also because we don't live close to each other, and each week we only get 1.5 days together. And its how the new game came out and he started to game so much more, which he wasn't like that before so I need to adjust and understand it. And he told me its a temporary behavior and well I believe as he really wasn't like that lol But as long as he still talks to me and trying his best to split his time, its all good.
Not only do I love video games, I also don't think I've ever had a female friend that didn't also play video games (especially pokemon and fire emblem). I think a lot of the misconceptions about girls hating video games comes from the fact that, yeah, girls may not always be as interested in the same types of games. For example, a simple game of candy crush may be more appealing than WOW. When games are tailored to different interests, they get different audiences. https://www. theguardian. com/commentisfree/2014/sep/18/52-percent-people-playing-games-women-industry-doesnt-know women are slowly taking over...
Sad thing is, 99% of the time on mmo's and games like Minecraft, people automatically assume I'm a guy, and they don't believe me when I say I'm a girl. Apparently it's easier to believe that I'm a guy pretending than it is for them to believe that a girl could actually be interested in trying to build the most badass pixely dragon possible... oh well.
It's just difficult because people catfish and rather than risk it most guys will just assume someone else is a dude. Some guys just don't care either though.
It's just because they don't see why it's that much fun, I guess. I suppose you have things you don't like too. And you have reasons why you dislike those things.
Girls don't really get involved in gaming, unless they have friends who play games too or they discover it on their own. The stereotype is that girls don't play games, and since society has a huge influence on everyone the chance that a girl does start playing games is small. It's just that we don't really get involved in gaming like guys do. Plus we don't want to waste our time playing games if we can do do other things that don't involve sitting down for two hours straight staring at a screen and getting frustrated over things not going the way we want them to.
(I've stopped playing games because I am a bad loser, I don't own fun games, I don't have that much spare time and I want to focus on school. I do watch youtube pretty much non-stop though, I guess the commentary makes things way more fun.)
Two hours? Those are rookie numbers. I've sat and played video games for nearly two days straight... I also took stretch breaks and went and got a poptart once in awhile also.
Really? I guess it depends on what you do. I was playing Destiny with some friends years ago and we were doing a bunch of things and got caught on something and couldn't get past it and we just kept jumping in and out of missions trying to vent our frustration abit before going back. We beat it after awhile... No good rewards from it but it felt reslly satisfying knowing we finally accomplished what we were doing.
I don't really have friends to play games with. I don't own too many good games / I haven't spent time learning how to play 'em / my laptop can't handle 'em. And I get frustrated really fast. I want to be really good at something or just not do it at all. I think those are the differences 😂
I see. Finding a good gaming laptop is kinda difficult since they're usually pricey. I tend to stick to consoles since that's what I grew up with. Just jumping into a game and being good isn't that easy. You gotta take time and work at figuring everything out. You can find friends while playing the game or in communities for the game. Just say you're new and have never played the game before and want to try but with other people so you can have help. People love showing off how to play a game. They'll give you tips and pointers that can give you an advantage.
Yeah you're right. I should just go for it, sit down and learn. And making friends online seems like a lot of fun too so that shouldn't be a problem. Thank you. :P Now I just have to find out when I can go and do all of this without messing up on schoolwork and without feeling guilty about not doing anything 'useful' that day. 😅
Well weekends are a good time. People are usually working during the weekdays. Everyone has to start somewhere and someone mentoring you in a game could be good practice for them learning how to teach or maybe they'll even learn something new. So don't look at it as not being useful. Think about it as learning so you'll be able to be more useful. You'll be able to teach someone once you get good at the game.
They actually think the stupid social pecking order mind games that exist only in women's collective hive mind is somehow more real or more important than Mario eating the mushroom so he can fly.
They have their games, we have ours. And nothing infuriates them more than when we don't play their games with them. So hating our games is their form of "revenge" for the fact that we aren't slaves to the Great Feminine Unconscious, or "The Matriarchy," if you will.
What they call "The Sisterhood" is something all women work for and protect and believe in, but it only actually benefits the young and pretty girls anyway, even though EVERY woman is expected to sacrifice for it constantly, their whole culture of decorating themselves and everything around them is all about conformity to a single standard.
I'm glad, that most women don't mind it. Because those females, who hate their boyfriends hobby gaming are definitely not girlfriend material, are needy and would only make their lives harder than being single.
And of course those, who hate it don't care about their boyfriend but are fully self absorbed where it's all about me, me and me.
The same reason guys don't like getting dragged to go shopping with her or watch that incredible cheesy young adult love movie that she and other women are freaking about over. There are just some girls who don't care for gaming all that much and then there are some who do, it's possible that they might not have a problem with their boyfriend/husband playing games. What they don't like is how they becomes so obsessed with gaming that they start to neglect other things that are important in life. It could be education, career, family, but more than likely, her who's being put on the back burner and gaming on the top. It's not saying your hobby is waste of time and that you can't have fun, you just got to know when to balance everything out. I personally don't mind that my boyfriend plays games, I actually like watching him play them cause there are games I have no idea what to do in. I also like watching walkthroughs as well.
I wouldn't really care as long has he had a job and took cardboard of his family and wasn't someone who stayed home and played all day. He definitely also needs to make sure he pays attention to his children and wife. My husband has something similar. It's dirt bikes and he loves them but I'm happy he's happy. Also he has a great job and he makes sure I get loved and taken on dates and he plays cars with the kids and has tickle games. He's a great father. So I don't care that he loves playing on his dirt bikes so much. It would be the same with video games.
I don't know. Seems more like an individual thing than a woman thing. I don't know any women that hate video games, at least not of the top of my head... but those women who do, might just be that they're no good at it, or they just don't see the attraction, or they bought into the "violent video games turns people into killers" propaganda...
Or maybe it's not the games themselves they hate, but the fact that said games steal boyfriends' attentions when the boyfriends should be paying attention to the girls. ^_^ Could be lots of reasons.
I like video games (and boardgames) They are cool and stuff. Especially if you play together. But some guys just want to play alone (or with their friends. Usually online) all day. That doesn't really work for a relationship. Also it's like "Is there ANYTHING ELSE you are into?" No and I don't just mean me... But I find people without balance to be well.. lacking. Obviously. My ex was an avid gamer but he also very into fitness (he ran marathons), the outdoors and a bunch of other stuff. Games were a part of his life, not his life.
I've tried to play and I'm TERRIBLE!! I just look at the roof if it's FPS.. lol Being terrible is embarrassing and since I'm so bad I have no idea what's going on when I watch someone else play, so it's really boring for me.. and I've asked many people to help me.. I'm just unhelpable. I can't help but just truly suck at video games.
I wouldn't say I hate video games and I can understand why people like them as I love my mobile games like Hayday and Hungry Shark, but they don't require any skill. Lol
It is really annoying when you come round to visit someone and they're just drooling at the TV and attached to the controller.. like hello? Talk to me and give me cuddles, you loser..
A lot of games that people play are super violent and honestly the shooting and blowing up noises give me a really bad headache. But whatever floats your goat and makes you happy? :)
Am I the only guy who actually like turns off the games and gives the friend or girlfriend or girl or whatever all the attention even if just texting the girl.. Like I just pause the game even in online so I get killed?
Yes I do. Especially considering I work from home so I almost never leave.
I get he wants down time. I get he wants to talk to his friends. I get he doesn't want to go out.
But he doesn't seem to get I never leave. I never speak to anyone verbally in a day other than my cat.
The times I convince him to come and give me a cuddle and watch something he always falls asleep on me and snores so then I'm trapped and I can't hear anything.
I just wish he would see things from my viewpoint. But he won't.
I've tried but I don't like the games he is into (he likes fps) and when we do find a game we both like (last one was diablio) because he's been gaming so much for the past 15 years whereas I game once in a blue moon, he completely dominates and takes any fun for me out of it.
He's said to me in the past he views it as meeting up with his friends. So I don't really feel welcome even if I could play.
Try to get him to story based games like the last of us, unchart, telltale games, or zero damn horizon. ( and prepare to cry) or figjting games so you can realise you wrath and completely dominate and destroy him. Show him the true power of your dark side. Ahahahaha👿
It's a portage of an old Super Nes game that was never released in North America. A precursor the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon series. Its gameplay is similar but it's WAY harder and hardcore. When I first started to play that game I wanted throw my 2DS on the wall and then the game grew on my like a virus and I couldnt stop playing.
As a guy myself I even hate how much other guys are crazy about them and spend hours playing. I can understand how women hate that. I myself can't get into discussions with other guys about Call of Duty or the latest games. Growing up they were fun, but now I have other things I'd rather focus on.
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I love video games I grew up on them I would play tony hawk when I was like six I would watch my cousin play scooby doo and the cyber chase I would also watch her play spyro games on the playstation 1 at 8 I watched my brother play san andreas whenever he left home I got to play. When I was 9 I played halo with my cousin. I played bully at 10 so games are pretty much my childhood
I can't play video games at all because i have motion sickness. I can't even watch them at all. If i watch for more than 2 minutes I'll go dizzy and feel like puking so yea. People have told me how fun gaming is and it's not that i don't want to try, i can't.
This can be fixed on Pc but people probably use their console am I right? But on pc you can change the FOV making it a lot easier for motion sick people
I guess some think it's immature and for little boys. My boyfriend is a gamer and his ex hated it. He works everyday, but after work he likes to play video games. I don't mind because I love video games.
@FreedomByChoice honestly nothing. I don't even act my age to be honest. While my friends are going to clubs, I'm at home playing video games or watching anime or cartoons after work.
Haha and its so annoying when they try to bother you and talk to you about your day while you are playing. I see so many women do that in relationships. The few women who do like video games know what I am talking about, they hate being interrupted too.
I've been playing video games since I was 5. Lol I have to stay away from them when I am in school because if I play any I will end up getting addicted to it and will procrastinate on my homework.
The ones that are geared more towards quality time, starting a family... being productive, focused on the the matrix and everything it has to offer - Prolly won't like her hubby playing video games..
Both my girlfriend and I love video games. The problem is that they don't try to enjoy games together with their significant other. And when their significant other does try to get them to play, it's not the sort of games that they want to play.
@RachelleDraws yea cause it's probably super cozy having her watch and sit close by while playing your favourite game and being all cool in front of her lol... she cheers you on is paying attention and she's all in it...
but you can't make him I guess... that's at all ages. If he likes the game he will play with you otherwise it's just miserable playing a game you don't really like... lol
There needs to be a healthy balance between hobbies and giving attention to your partner. I don't think that's the fault of the video game, but rather the person who's playing it.
I've always wantend too play ever single I was a kid but I couldnt because 'I was a girl'. I want aloud even if inpiad for it myself. So I Dont hate them, I Just hate the faxt I never Got the play them because I suck at playing games now
My ex made me hate them because i realized how much they suck there are some games i like but most of them suck nowadays and theyre so boring and its like omg its a fucking video game do something productive.
I hate it because I don't see anything productive in it. It's fun watching someone else play but for me I can't do it. Plus it involves a lot of sitting which isn't good for fidgety peeps like me.
But playing tennis outside is better! It's just how I see it. I've no qualms with others playing. But my ex literally played video games all the damn time and it was sooo fucking annoying. He'd literally choose his video games over me. Maybe that's why I've got such a vice with it as well
I can understand why you hate video games due to past experiences with your boyfriend. If someone is that obsessed with video games that they neglect everything else in their life, then it's really unhealthy.
Some girls really love video games but personally I don't like it I think it's a waste putting your energy in when you could be doing something more important with your life
You wanted my opinion so I gave it to you don't be upset because I gave it to you. And yeah you're probably right but I'm not gonna date a guy who's spends most of his time in a fantasy world
Do you also think shopping is a waste of time? A hobby is a hobby, and guys have always had one. It used to be sports (for many it still is) and now for many guys it's video games. I can understand that you wouldn't like it if he does it too much, but if there's a balance in his life, I think it's fine.
At least with shopping your around real people in the real world. Yeah I get it's a hobby but I'm not gonna change my mind about not wanting to date guys who play video games.. get over it
Well, if it's so important that you see them in real life compared to chatting with them while playing games. It's comparable to girls chatting on social media. It's your loss, really. Most guys play video games, so you're gonna have a very small pool of men to select from.
There's so many girls that commented saying they don't mind video games and as soon as one girl says she doesn't you want to get in your feelings. And get upset. Not everyone is going to like everyone I'm just giving my personal opinion. And if that's so then I'll have my pick of the guys that don't play video games. Thanks (:
Oh, don't worry, it's your life. I'm just pointing the facts out to you. Maybe you will regret it later. Who knows, maybe you'll miss out on a great guy because you weeded those guys out. 155 million Americans regularly play video games. But of course it's your decision. I'm just giving you the information. Have a nice day!
I just don't understand why you care so much. Everyone has a preference for who they want to be with. So don't judge me for not wanting to date someone who sits on his couch for hours playing games that won't benefit him in real life. And I don't think I'll be missing out on anything but thanks for sharing
Because I've observed from some of my female friends that they have had some unrealistic standards for their future partner, to only later end up single or date men below their standards later in life all because of some filter they put on their future partner before. I just find it sad to see amazing women miss out on a partner for that reason. That's my reasoning. I suppose I shouldn't really care, but for some reason I felt it was my moral obligation to share this information with you. Nice chatting with you
Just because a guy plays video games doesn't make him a better partner. And it's better to be with someone you have things in common with I don't like video games therefore why would I be with someone who does. I feel like you are putting in your own personal experience and insecurities with girls. There's plenty of girl who enjoy video games just as much as you. And there are girls who don't that's the way it is
Well of course, my ex girlfriend didn't enjoy playing video games, but she didn't really make a big deal out of it. She had her hobbies and I had mine. We both enjoyed watching Netflix. I would have found it hard to believe that she didn't want to date me just because I played video games. Just like I don't weed her out because she enjoyed to shop. I personally haven't had problems with girls who personally weeded me out for playing video games (at least not that I noticed)
Let me just ask you why exactly you person out that plays video games. Would you weed a guy out that plays sports? I don't mean this in an offensive way by the way -- they are your filters, but I'm just genuinely curious what the difference is for you. What turns you off in a guy that plays video games specifically?
Most guys who are caught up in video games are usually antisocial and obsessed with animated creatures or characters that don't exist. It turns me off because it comes off as immature something little boys do. I like guys who play sports because they are muscular manly can be protective and it's real world they are playing in it's not virtual.( that's just my honest opinion)
Well, that's fair enough. There's definitely guys like that out there. But let me tell you that over here in my country (Belgium) a lot of my friends play football (Well, soccer for America) and still play a decent amount of fifa. The difference between them and the obsessive addicted guy is that they know how to manage and balance their life out, but I can see why you find the stereotypical video game player unattractive. You might just be surprised to find out that that attractive guy you see at a night club might play Call of Duty from time to time on the side. Even Conor McGregor played Call of Duty at some point in his life. It might be a shame if you don't give that guy you really like chance, just because he plays video games. You know what I mean?
Okay, well I respect your opinion. I'm really interested in psychology, so I'm trying to understand your train of thought, but it's really hard for me. You're telling me you would reject Odell Beckem if tomorrow he told you that he plays video games on the side? Because I can tell you I think shopping is a huge waste of time, but I'm not going to reject her just because of her hobby. I guess we just think differently.
If given the opportunity to date Odell Beckham or any hot guy I would but I'm saying guys who play video games turn me off and usually guys who play video games are scrawny nerdy antisocial guys. I'm not attracted to those type of guys. Pretty shallow but it's the truth. But also everyone wants to date someone they're are attracted to. The majority of guys who play video games I'm not attracted to
They seem them as a pointless waste of time, their men should be spending that time sitting next to her on the couch watching reality TV and being shown pictures of cats that she found on Facebook.
I know many girls who play games and love gaming. I also know girls who play hours upon hours of games on their phone and hate gaming (even though the crappy phone games are still gaming). Everyone has a game. You just got a find it.
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Why do so many people address men and women as a group all the time. I mean there are a lot of men who don't like/ don't have video games too. To answer your question, I do like video games but try not to play a lot because I have to study...
ikr and same I like playing but I limit it because they're more things I could be doing instead of playing games all day but it's really fun to watch someone else play :)
Why did that woman stab the guy in the eye? I don't understand what happened there or what it has to do with video games. I don't think women hate video games. What makes you think they do?
Who said that? There are lot Women gamers 58 percent of mobile gamers in the US are women.
They are not female Dota 2 Players out there, most of them from South America, Russia
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I think it's the same reason we don't like to shop etc, they don't have any interest in them and they get upset when guys are more interested in playing games than spending time with them.
Personally, I find playing them stressful, but I enjoy watching other people play. My best friend (also a girl) is the opposite and loves playing them.
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I dont hate video games I like them every now and again. Its just addictive for some people and its boring to be around people who want to stare at a screen all day
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