Who is in the wrong here?

[KirstyW]

I got sent a news link last week to this story, by a colleague, but I only got around to watching the full video today. It's sort of changed how I'm looking at this situation.

In a nutshell, a middle aged lady ticked off a younger lady, because she felt her bikini was too revealing to be worn in public. She implied she was setting a bad example for the other lady's daughters.

The younger lady seemed really quite upset about the way she'd been spoken to (which the video didn't catch). I have the feeling that using the word 'Karen' (which personally I hate as a word) didn't come naturally to her, but she picked it to use something that isn't technically a swear word, but is also very uncomplimentary.

The bikini in question was a style that's actually pretty popular these days, and I kind of wonder what 'bad example' it's really setting?

Who was in the wrong?

The older lady

The younger lady

Both

Neither

[Equi2ube]

I hate to, but have to agree with the mother here. When I see under 15 yo girls on Insta wearing full make up, clothes that would have been at least immoral on an adult thinking they are "models" because they have 100k followers (of which 99k are probably old pervs like me)

Our kids are suffering enough through this Scamdemic, and though the innocence of childhood that I recall is merely a sepia tinged memory tugging at the heartstrings of nostalgia & reminding me of my ever diminishing yet exponentially increasing mortality,

(yah I said all dat to say dis)

There is still morality and decency in the world today.

Whose morality?
Whose decency?
By Whose standards?
By whose book, karma, creed?

They say the heart knows its own,
They say the heart will bear witness,

Whose heart?
What witness?
I feel my part,
Am I so witless?

Search your heart,
Find your Witness,
Do your part,
You can resist this.

They took our children,
They killed our creeds,
They made us one,
With the machine.

Our young men bleed,
Our children scream,
Our past forgotten,
Was it a dream?

The New World Order,
Controls us now,
But we were once,
Somewhere, somehow

I was once blind,
Now I am old,
Tears sting my eyes,
I should have known.

Its every sign,
The hallmarks there,
Written in code
The blood words share.

Is it too late,
Do any care,
Do they even know,
Not many care.

The signs were there,
For all to see,
Heed the warnings,
Invent history,

But what to do now,
We're asleep at the wheel,
Our governments topple,
Our minds become theirs.

Search out the seekers,
For they always knew,
Their burden uncarried,
Their last demands true.

As your thoughts warmly meld,
Yet become digitized,
You last recall their warnings,
Their voices in the rhymes.

Is it too late to change things,
Are we too old and few.
They eliminate the seekers,
They have their job to do.

Clear focus now evades me,
My thoughts melded by the bots.
How much of me is left now,
How many freedoms lost.

Remember all the seekers,
The burdens that they wrought.
Remember them in epitaphs,
In poems and in songs.

Their world forever faded,
Our world, forever jaded,

[__inkRat]

Ehh, then travel around. In about half of europes beaches woman goes topless and no one seams to care about it. Maybe start by teaching kids right attitude about body and sexuality than crying about it?

And for fucks sake your post is way to long!

[lovelyhoneybones]

Damn mind your own business. It costs $0.

[joeblow123]

@Equi2ube,

The old woman was clearly in the wrong.

[TruthBringer]

@Equi2ube Unlike the many snowflakes here, I see your point and I agree what you say. Even though the older woman could have been more strategic in expressing herself, I understand her point of view. And this is coming from someone who is in good shape and goes to plenty of beaches

[BoobMan]

The older lady seems like something of a busybody. That young chick is minding her own business and is dress very much in beach appropriate attire. If she walked into a church wearing that bikini then the older lady has some standing for her complaint. But given it's on a beach not at all.

It would also be interesting to see if the older lady would have had such an issue and such a strong reaction to an unattractive woman wearing the same suit. We can't be certain of course, but my guess is "no." Which seems to suggest her reaction is tinged with envy and that envy and resentment are the true motivations to her behavior and she's trying to dress that up as some kind of righteousness.

[BoobMan]

by the way, what the hell is "Karen" supposed to mean anyway? I take it when you say this video changed the way you're looking at this situation, you mean it changes your view on the use of the word Karen? What was it originally supposed to mean and how has your view changed?

[KirstyW]

I don't like the way the word 'Karen' is used in this context, but I think she means an interfering entitled kind of person?

I meant I'd seen a media report about it, and thought that the younger lady was making a big deal out of something for publicity, but having watched the video, I think she felt attacked, and in my opinion, rightly so?

[BoobMan]

Most helpful! Boo yeah! :D

[joeblow123]

@BoobMan

How if I put it this way: to hell with this stupid old bitch.

[Squids47]

No Karen is referring to a middle aged women that often makes situations more complex than it really is.

[__Charllerrrlol__]

As someone who is the age range of what this "Karen" was most likely referring to when she said "it's hard to explain to my daughter's about you wearing a J string" I feel I can comment on this situation with full truth. Of course other girls of all ages look at her and think "I'd kill to have that body" but that's ok. Were all built different and I think this "Karen" doesn't understand that we are all made different. I think that this "Karen" uses her daughter's as an excuse to hide her jealously of this young lady in the bikini.
However I could be completely wrong and her daughter's actually did question it for whatever reason. If they did question it maybe they wanted to dress like her and this "Karen" was upset by that because it is a revelling outfit. If that's the case this "Karen" should have known better to keep this to herself and simply express her opinion to her daughter's and not the lady in the bikini.
Wear what you want, be who you want and don't do what this "Karen" did which was express a negative opinion to a girl in a bikini. After all it's a bikini, it's ment for swimming and ok to wear whatever you want as long as it's not fully naked, who cares.

[__inkRat]

If karen needed to explain her kid that they would need to kill for that body, she's full of shit. Eat right, do fitness and you will have such body. When those demigod looks are projected on man, most often we know how much work has gone into them, so its rarely a problem for man, because if someone crys about it, they get dirrected to gym and shamed about there eating habits. All valid points.

[2433red]

Teaching your daughter to be ashamed of her body because its inappropriate doesn't work and actually encourages low self esteem. This women maybe jealous or have her own body image issues or maybe of some faith but either way you shouldn't impose your way of thinking on others and expect them to live your way, one day your daughters will become women what will you say to them then? Complain when they make there own minds?

[KirstyW]

I think this sums up why I find the older lady's attitude so wrong.

[TruthBringer]

I'm not sure how telling my daughter not to wear a G-string = teaching her to be ashamed of her body. On the contrary, if I tell my daughter not to wear something too revealing as a G-string, it is to protect her from the wrong sort of attention, prying eyes and I'll be protecting her dignity. I'll be damned if I don't teach my daughter that she is more than some lustful body walking around to please the fantasy of others.

[__inkRat]

@TruthBringer If your daughter can't protect her own dignity, than there is no hope you can protect hers to. But to be honest I do not get this ood idea of hiding skin, wear what you want, or its just because half of beaches I have been woman are walking topless.
Ps. for me its more about body shape than having g-string, but I do love the looks of one piece swim suit on fit body.

[2433red]

@TruthBringer I was going off the energy the women had and the way she spoke and that her views were so strongly she went out of her way. Kids in general are tricky creatures in general if you go in with your thinking they will run to the hills as teens or adults. What should come first is their emotional/mental wellbeing, they are children also kids are innocent most times if you treat them with love and care they will reciptocate learn social norms and how people dress for diffrent occasions with their own eyes e. g. Black for funeral and follow suit. Parents should be good examples, Let children be children but most of all understanding them comes first before fear mongering or beatings. Instilling good values of love for themselves should be your life mission its complex if not then they will never speak to you again when your alone and old

[TruthBringer]

@2433red You're diverting away from my initial point. As you said, let kids be kids. And I'll be damned if I allow my kids to be sexualized because they feel societal pressure (influence through social media or peers). I will teach them the good values that have statistically proven to be most affective in terms of happiness. And that doesn't include wearing a G-string in a public area. I will teach my kids that they are individuals worthy of love and respect and not under the condition of them flexing their cleavage or asscheeks.

[realeyeofthetiger]

@TruthBringer Bravo!

@2433red if criticizing a g string is 'body shaming', why not we just go full nude in public? Or better yet... the workplace? Isn't it so narrow minded to wear clothes at work? Especially minors... why should they wear clothes? It is so restricting and confining and 'body shaming' for minors to wear clothes... esp. among strange adults in public.

/sarcasam

[TruthBringer]

@__inkRat If you think a parent has no responsibility in protecting their child's dignitity, then I wish the best of luck to your kids as their father is not doing a good job in being a GUARDIAN. It is my job to teach my kids that their value does not rely upon showing off their sexual assets. But rather, their value is in their individuality and what they contribute to society, their family and to themselves. Hiding skin is not only curcial to protect ourselves from the elements, it is also necessary to make sure we are not being sexualized (women especially). A person who is (highly) sexualized has their individuality stripped away and is seen as nothing but an object. So yes, it is MY responsibility in educating my daugher (s) about this. And it is up to her to carry on protecting herself. And when it comes to the dating market, men of value value women who value and respect themselves, not a woman who advertises herself to the world.

@realeyeofthetiger The mentality of some people here is incredibly disturbing. Trying to sugarcoat the fact a minor is wearing sexualized clothes. It's really not much different than being naked.

[realeyeofthetiger]

I voted B.

I know I am going to get a lot of hate cause today anything criticizing women is seen as repressive. Even though criticizing can be different than judging and the comment can be treating a woman no differently than a man in the same situation.

My reason is when one is in a public setting (family setting), a certain attire and behavior is expected. For example, one would not wear their most revealing sexy black dress to a kid's birthday party... it would be out of place for it and inappropriate in front of children.

Similarly, on a public beach where families are omni-present, wearing revealing bikinis (no practical function, other than to look sexy and perhaps entice onlookers) is fair game to receiving disapproving looks or comments. The male equivalent to this would be a thong which too is unnecessary and vulgar in a public/family setting such that the guys ass is on full display along with parts of his crotch.

If this was a less crowded beach and mostly adults, then knock yourself out in whatever bikini you would like to wear. Be naked, wear pasties, do whatever the fuck you want. Personally i find beach sex fun.

I do think kids get influenced by what they see and parents need to be careful and set examples for them. This is because kids do not understand the consequences of their actions like adults may and therefore are not fully prepared to step into the adult world. If clothing wasn't necessary in a civilized society, then we would all just roam around naked and save a ton of money. But since we do think clothing is significant, and child porn is an egregious thing, therefore having kids dress appropriately is important.

It's funny to see how feminism is being adopted today from what it at least was a decade or two ago. Feminism stood for seeing women for more than as sex objects and recognizing and respecting them as a person - instead of sexual cattle. Feminism wasn't a fashion trend, it wasn't used as justification for inappropriate clothing, and strong women fought for their rights of equality and decency in their lives... not cause it garnered them attention or popularity.

One of the easiest way to manipulate something is to present something without its context. So to clear my context... Women have the right to wear revealing clothing as it is their body and their choice. HOWEVER, just like men must obey rules of decency in certain areas such as public places, work, etc... women too should be subjected to the same rules and it is not sexism to ask them to practice common decency to all people present in the public area.

if they want to be sexy, do so in areas of adult settings where it is appropriate: parties, clubs, dates, adult beaches, red carpet, etc. Not: public places where families frequent, work, family concerts, disney channel.

The world is not desperate to see your ass or tits, and you can live with a little less self-obsession and "sexual expression". You identity is more than a sex object, and if men are respected and valued for their ideas and actions foremost, then so should women be.

[realeyeofthetiger]

I will add another example.

I love driving and I love driving fast.

DO I drive fast near schools or busy crowded streets, especially if a bunch of families are around? NO!

HOWEVER, do i go balls out on empty backroads where it just me or other enthusiast friends, or a track? FUCK YES

[TruthBringer]

This is obviously THE BEST comment under this thread. What's said is that this level of intellect is not even far-fetched, yet lacking in most people here. It's just lovely but also sad that people think in such black-white manner. It's either a "you're with me or against me" mentality, stripping away any crucial nuances that play a role. I agree with you 100%. Despite us being free to do what we can, we should still hold on to certain ethics and not overstep them.

[realeyeofthetiger]

@TruthBringer Thanks!

[Elocin614]

The younger lady is in the wrong here to me. The older one was absolutely entitled to her opinion. Yes one could argue she could keep it to herself, but if everyone kept a different opinion to themselves no one would speak. She didn't trash the young girl, she simply voiced a concern. I know places in the world that would consider the level of skin that was showing on a family beach indecent exposure, and potentially sexual harassment to minors. I personally don't care, but Everyone is going to have an opinion, and its just gonna come out some times. If its respectful even better, but the younger girl shamed the older women for having a different opinion, labelled her a Karen, and publicly bullied her WORLD WIDE!!

Then posts all of that, and how proud she is of exposing this "Karen", while simultaneously being a Karen doing it. With all that publicity I wonder how the older women's family has been affected, her job, her kids, and their life at school. All because the younger Karen couldn't have a conversation, and got butthurt over a difference of opinion.

The sad part is, all the points I made will be few, because the masses will focus on the one sided Karen part, and not the virtual Karen, and be more about body image b. s. and someone not minding their own business than "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can hurt me".

bragging about all of it... smh what a bully!

[realeyeofthetiger]

Exactly!

Thank you for stating this. I argued similar points in my comment albeit more rudely.
1) Wear what you want, but not in front of kids. There are plenty of adult oriented places for that. There is no purpose for a thong other than to look sexy and why would you want to do that in front of kids.
2) There was no need to bash the older lady in a widespread media circus. It is far more damaging to drag anyone through the media like that. If anything, the younger girl has now gained more viewership.

[TruthBringer]

So far the only pink comment that truly makes sense. Well said!

[Johnagain]

I just watched the video 'cause you're sexy. Lucky guy, eh?
I voted b but I'd like to change that to a. Here's why:
"Beach Karen" is entitled to her opinion, good come back, but she doesn't have to unload it harshly onto people like you who are minding their own business.
I didn't see any kids there trying to imitate "Fitness Model," and if there were, a towel around the bum is all you need to keep it rated G. Cool. We're at the beach.
Many people who are not that good looking are envious and resentful of those who have a "Great body." She hurts, because she wants that pleasure and piece of mind, (beatitude, if you will), that you two have, and she doesn't. She needs to understand the fine couple she witnessed before reacting to the trigger of her pain... the sight of you.
She'd be better off giving a friendly greeting, complimenting you two on being a fine couple, and maybe slipping a sly remark in, like, "Got it good, eh? Lucky you." And leaving it at that! The tone would say it all. But, se la vie. To each their own. I have only now learned to be gracious, despite my reservations/opinions about seeing hotties in public. I too feel that things worn by hot women like yoga pants, spandex, pj's, "Beyonce' pants, leggins or even rider pants should be banned in certain places. [camel toes... you know] But it depends on how they wear it; acting stuck up and just flaunting it for attention, or just innocently having a good time looking pretty in appropriate attire.
Lastly, you know the song "When You're Strange," by The Doors? For creep-minded men out there like me, "Women seem wicked, when you're alone..." [For the sake of mindfulness.] Peace.

[missy52]

Honestly, I have to admit that if it's a family beach, it's inappropriate to wear a g-string. Nobody needs to get to know your body that intimately when they don't even know their own bodies yet. But if it's a regular beach then do you dude. But then again, she has one of those bodies that would make anything look inappropriate. At the end of the day, there is an appropriate way to do things. Karen could've kept things moving and not comment and the girl could've worn something more appropriate for the kids like a full bikini (which is barely more fabric but it is far more accepted by parents).

[__inkRat]

Then In gues you have a mind that will try to find anything inappropiate. You should not come to Europe since about in half of its beaches woman tend to go topless, and I haven't heard of any family beaches. It would be far better to explain kid that she is eating right and going to gym training and that kind can have the same awsome body if she eats right and do fitness. I could care less if its g-string or not.

[missy52]

? To be quite frank, I don't care much for your opinion. I didn't speak with regards to Europe. I spoke of things generally and generally there are family beaches and that attire would be shunned. It would be far better to have places where both parents and patrons would feel safe. Now please hop off my opinion and stay off others too

[__inkRat]

@missy52 Well well are you entitled American, if you want to have only American opinions say so. If you fail to do so, expect opinions from whole world. In generally speaking there are no family beaches in my country because, we, somehow aren't scared of seeing a nipple or two.

Ps. if you need place to feel safe I suggest you to pack thing up and leave usa.

[missy52]

Except for the fact that I'm not American. Good for your country but most countries don't work that way. Look, I don't have the energy for you so leave me alone

[realeyeofthetiger]

@__inkRat So if Europe has places where people do this... everyone in the world should be Europe?

Didn't you try to colonize and eradicate the entire world by pushing european ideas once before?

Picture a unknown man in a tiny ass thong that makes a sorry ass attempt to cover his dick and balls. Now you see him hover around your five year old kid.

Many places will call that indecent exposure and possibly sexual harassment.

[TruthBringer]

Hmmm we can't pinpoint the true motives of the older woman. Whether it truly was out of jealousy or simply out of a more conservative mindset. It's easy to pin everything on "jealousy" just to discard someone's criticism while at the same time make us feel better.

Let's see, we got a model who wears a G-string on a family beach. I don't know if that beach truly is just for families and if there are certain dress rules. But if it truly is a family beach, then it's kind of immoral to wear a G-string even though a normal bikinibottom would have shown off your great physique aswel. But then again, if there are no rules to what you wear, the model has done nothing wrong legally.

I can only understand both perspectives. The way the so-called "Karen" expressed herself could have been more strategic.

[ZackBan]

It's not gard to answer actually the old lady is in the wrong because the reality that people continuously chose to ignore is that there is no such thing as setting an example or standards in anything.
Basically the woman's kids will be subjected to all kinds of things in life and will chose what influences them and what doesn't.
She can't force the world to change because she doesn't want her kids growing up to be a certain kind of people.

The world would be a better place once we all accept that the only thing we can change is ourselves and how we see the world but as soon as we start trying to change others, a problem turns into a bigger problem

[IAMNathanael]

I'm not really sure but it's the beach... what else should you expect? The "Karen" doesn't even have to explain anything to her kid, just give a vague answer and keep walking.

The word "Karen" really had become its own word at this point hadn't it? I'd like to invent a non vulgar word to represent that attitude so I don't have to bring actual karens down.

[KirstyW]

I feel exactly the same about using 'Karen' in this sort of context - somebody needs to come up with another term for the same thing!

[errorgoodnameunfound]

so I guess that means "Kevin" can't be used anymore either? Dam :( Ok fine, how about...

"Kristy"?

Jk, maybe... iNaggers? uh... hag goblins? Yah that could work! "Hag Goblins" :D

[magiusX26]

both. the older lady for expecting the world to cater to her views/opinion. the younger lady for calling her a karen over the older one stating her opinion. "karen"s are labeled that not because they have such an opinion but because they call authorities over that entitlement. this older one did not contact authorities over this, just mearly stated her entitled opinion. also younger one abd her boyfriend/friend are in the wrong (only a little bit) for posting that to their/her youtube channel without the older lady's permission for showing her face.

[NyceGuyFinishingLast]

The older lady was I think jealous of the fact that she couldn't wear that same bikini without feeling subconscious about her body. I mean if that is how that older lady felt about her wearing that bikini how did she have three daughters? Was she fully clothed during sex, in her younger days did she not wear a bikini? I mean this lady must have blocked the news, YouTube, Tiktok, music videos, movies, TV shows, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, the JC Penny Spring Catalog because she is trying to avoid answering questions from her daughter. I mean every where you look there is a lady in a sexy bikini. Does the older lady just avoid going to those stores? Most TV shows and movies expose women in bikinis and men without shirts on, does she instantly turn off the show or movie when they show that content? The older lady is full of shit.

[zeitgeist057]

Unsolicited opinion, the older lady is in the wrong.

Not that she's wrong or right about bikinis at the beach or whatever, it's just wrong to give your unsolicited opinion to a stranger.

Maybe someone is wearing white after Labor Day, or a confederate flag or MAGA hat, or an Obama Tshirt, or who knows what all. Maybe I agree with it, maybe I don't. But my opinion doesn't matter, neither does yours, nor does that Karen's.

That's the whole point about Karens, they are shoving their unwanted faces and opinions into other people's lives and it's not right. I could get in her face and tell her what an entitled, self righteous and judgmental bitch she is and how wrong she is, but that would make me just as wrong as her. So all I do is sit back and cringe at her lack of awareness.

[joeblow123]

" I could get in her face and tell her what an entitled, self-righteous and judgmental bitch she is and how wrong she is, but that would make me just as wrong as her. "

No it wouldn't. Quite the opposite.

"So all I do is sit back and cringe at her lack of awareness."

So instead you embrace cowardice.

[zeitgeist057]

@joeblow123 it’s not cowardice, it’s giving the respect to someone that I want to see in the world. I’ve been the guy who stands up and cries out and confronts every injustice I see. It doesn’t make me brave, it makes me the angry guy yelling at the inconsiderate lady who took 20 items into the 10 items or less lane. It doesn’t change her behavior, and it doesn’t make the world a better place.

[Don-__-Don]

The older lady.

People need to understand that the world doesn't revolve around them. The older lady in the video didn't get the memo.

The lady wearing the sexy bikini did nothing wrong, she wasn't breaking the law by any means.

The older lady is just being a bitch, thinking that people should bend thier will for her sake.

They're at a BEACH, what the fuck does she expect?

No, fuck her, that's not the reality here.

[Dragonpurple]

Things are not always who is right and who is not. I'd say they are both right, or both wrong.

The one has the right to wear that suit if its not illegal. The other has a right to her opinion as well.

A good parent would try to teach her daughter that it will be her choice some day.

See now imagine it reverse, the older lady wear what the younger one was, and the younger one coming up to her saying it is wrong to wear in public.

While your laughing, it doesn't matter... that is the beauty of true freedom, is both can be right or wrong, it really doesn't matter.

[jgokgotit]

Both were wrong, but more so the older lady. The woman in the bikini was wrong only because she basically shamed someone for their belief. Not everything needs to be filmed and put on youtube. If the older woman was nasty about it and causing a scene that would be different, but all she did was make a few comments and then left. The woman in the bikini was not wrong for wearing it if the laws allowed it, which they do seem to allow. That being said, the older lady did not really have a reason to go up and bother her. I agree that such a bikini is inappropriate in a public setting, but it is not my job to tell everyone how to dress. If I have a daughter, she will already be well aware of what is moral and what is not well before we go to any beaches. However, even with those morals, once she is 18 she can do whatever she wants.

[MCheetah]

The old lady was an asshole because she could've been polite and civil about her actions and words if she really cared. This was about her own self-righteousness, not "thinking of the poor children!" Besides, it's a public beach; as long as genitals and female nipples aren't exposed, anything goes.

[weysally]

I choose neither because though I like nude beaches the young lady was dressed Ok as far as I'm concerned, and I think maybe a little jealousy was with the other lady, it did appear that the younger lady took a long time to just get the salt and sand off her and she could have gone on her way, therefore maybe inciting a comment, but again the comment shouldn't have been made in the first instance

[0112358]

Probably the older lady, but i voted for the younger because people who go around filming their life as though it's a fashion shoot in public annoy the hell out of me. Yes, i know it's her 'job', however if she was actually a commercial entity she'd need permits to do what she is, most likely.

I'm sort of indifferent on the thong bikini, but no, they have not always been considered normal beach wear.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Hey, if you wanna go back in time to 1812 when beaches didn't allow that, feel free to build a time machine and do so. Most of us would rather like in years past 2002.

[NoblesseObligeKK]

You shouldn't push your insecurities on other people, be it models or kids. Karen is wrong to shame someone for wearing a bikini. If it were a micro bikini; id be more sympathetic, but seriously this would be on par with a dude shaming another dude for being shirtless at the beach in trunks.

[QuietRunner]

depends on the backside view and the laws in the area. Could be both, could be the old lady.

However it does takes at least two people to be offended. One person feeling offended and expressing themselves toward a person, the other to feel offended from someone.

[KirstyW]

The backside view is in the video, and I don't think Australia has any laws about this style? But yes, you're right about it taking two...

[QuietRunner]

most likely the older lady. I do like that ass, it is sexy

[darkcloud1945]

The Karen was wrong. The older woman should have been a little more tactful. The Bikini worn is very popular style these days. If the Karen did not like the bathing suit because she thinks it shows too much she should tell her daughter that it is only her opinion and tells her she would not be allowed to wear one. The public rant put her in a bad light.

[Kiran_Yagami]

Meh, they're about the same. I don't blame anyone who finds THOT activity annoying. The unbelievably over-inflated ego of average looking women is absolutely gob-smacking to me. There's nothing dumber than being out on a hike, or at the beach, or in some outdoor setting trying to enjoy the day and relax when some THOT and her simp boyfriend go around filming everything she does. It's distracting and inconsiderate. By the same token, a hot girl in a bikini at a beach is a normal day occurrence. Had she just been rinsing the sand off without her dumbass boyfriend filming absolutely everything I would say crazy Karen was in the wrong. No dog in this fight. Both people are dumb, inconsiderate human beings with inflated senses of self importance.

[joeblow123]

@Kiran_Yagami,

If he is filming his girlfriend so what. Who cares? It's the Karen that is the problem child.

[masonova1]

Dude, she was at the beach, dressed like she was at the beach, while her boyfriend filmed her. What are you talking about

[TiaraGlitzNeon]

What's your problem? Women can wear whatever they like, "average looking" or not.

[MrInteresting]

I was actually gonna say something similar myself but I wouldn't say the lady having a shower is out of order necessarily. I think the filming inflamed the situation. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe the woman would've acted the same but I can see where both were coming from here.