Who is in the wrong here?

[KirstyW]

I got sent a news link last week to this story, by a colleague, but I only got around to watching the full video today. It's sort of changed how I'm looking at this situation.

In a nutshell, a middle aged lady ticked off a younger lady, because she felt her bikini was too revealing to be worn in public. She implied she was setting a bad example for the other lady's daughters.

The younger lady seemed really quite upset about the way she'd been spoken to (which the video didn't catch). I have the feeling that using the word 'Karen' (which personally I hate as a word) didn't come naturally to her, but she picked it to use something that isn't technically a swear word, but is also very uncomplimentary.

The bikini in question was a style that's actually pretty popular these days, and I kind of wonder what 'bad example' it's really setting?

Who was in the wrong?

The older lady

The younger lady

Both

Neither

[Equi2ube]

I hate to, but have to agree with the mother here. When I see under 15 yo girls on Insta wearing full make up, clothes that would have been at least immoral on an adult thinking they are "models" because they have 100k followers (of which 99k are probably old pervs like me)

Our kids are suffering enough through this Scamdemic, and though the innocence of childhood that I recall is merely a sepia tinged memory tugging at the heartstrings of nostalgia & reminding me of my ever diminishing yet exponentially increasing mortality,

(yah I said all dat to say dis)

There is still morality and decency in the world today.

Whose morality?
Whose decency?
By Whose standards?
By whose book, karma, creed?

They say the heart knows its own,
They say the heart will bear witness,

Whose heart?
What witness?
I feel my part,
Am I so witless?

Search your heart,
Find your Witness,
Do your part,
You can resist this.

They took our children,
They killed our creeds,
They made us one,
With the machine.

Our young men bleed,
Our children scream,
Our past forgotten,
Was it a dream?

The New World Order,
Controls us now,
But we were once,
Somewhere, somehow

I was once blind,
Now I am old,
Tears sting my eyes,
I should have known.

Its every sign,
The hallmarks there,
Written in code
The blood words share.

Is it too late,
Do any care,
Do they even know,
Not many care.

The signs were there,
For all to see,
Heed the warnings,
Invent history,

But what to do now,
We're asleep at the wheel,
Our governments topple,
Our minds become theirs.

Search out the seekers,
For they always knew,
Their burden uncarried,
Their last demands true.

As your thoughts warmly meld,
Yet become digitized,
You last recall their warnings,
Their voices in the rhymes.

Is it too late to change things,
Are we too old and few.
They eliminate the seekers,
They have their job to do.

Clear focus now evades me,
My thoughts melded by the bots.
How much of me is left now,
How many freedoms lost.

Remember all the seekers,
The burdens that they wrought.
Remember them in epitaphs,
In poems and in songs.

Their world forever faded,
Our world, forever jaded,

[__inkRat]

Ehh, then travel around. In about half of europes beaches woman goes topless and no one seams to care about it. Maybe start by teaching kids right attitude about body and sexuality than crying about it?

And for fucks sake your post is way to long!

[lovelyhoneybones]

Damn mind your own business. It costs $0.

[joeblow123]

@Equi2ube,

The old woman was clearly in the wrong.

[TruthBringer]

@Equi2ube Unlike the many snowflakes here, I see your point and I agree what you say. Even though the older woman could have been more strategic in expressing herself, I understand her point of view. And this is coming from someone who is in good shape and goes to plenty of beaches

[BoobMan]

The older lady seems like something of a busybody. That young chick is minding her own business and is dress very much in beach appropriate attire. If she walked into a church wearing that bikini then the older lady has some standing for her complaint. But given it's on a beach not at all.

It would also be interesting to see if the older lady would have had such an issue and such a strong reaction to an unattractive woman wearing the same suit. We can't be certain of course, but my guess is "no." Which seems to suggest her reaction is tinged with envy and that envy and resentment are the true motivations to her behavior and she's trying to dress that up as some kind of righteousness.

[BoobMan]

by the way, what the hell is "Karen" supposed to mean anyway? I take it when you say this video changed the way you're looking at this situation, you mean it changes your view on the use of the word Karen? What was it originally supposed to mean and how has your view changed?

[KirstyW]

I don't like the way the word 'Karen' is used in this context, but I think she means an interfering entitled kind of person?

I meant I'd seen a media report about it, and thought that the younger lady was making a big deal out of something for publicity, but having watched the video, I think she felt attacked, and in my opinion, rightly so?

[BoobMan]

Most helpful! Boo yeah! :D

[joeblow123]

@BoobMan

How if I put it this way: to hell with this stupid old bitch.

[Squids47]

No Karen is referring to a middle aged women that often makes situations more complex than it really is.

[__Charllerrrlol__]

As someone who is the age range of what this "Karen" was most likely referring to when she said "it's hard to explain to my daughter's about you wearing a J string" I feel I can comment on this situation with full truth. Of course other girls of all ages look at her and think "I'd kill to have that body" but that's ok. Were all built different and I think this "Karen" doesn't understand that we are all made different. I think that this "Karen" uses her daughter's as an excuse to hide her jealously of this young lady in the bikini.
However I could be completely wrong and her daughter's actually did question it for whatever reason. If they did question it maybe they wanted to dress like her and this "Karen" was upset by that because it is a revelling outfit. If that's the case this "Karen" should have known better to keep this to herself and simply express her opinion to her daughter's and not the lady in the bikini.
Wear what you want, be who you want and don't do what this "Karen" did which was express a negative opinion to a girl in a bikini. After all it's a bikini, it's ment for swimming and ok to wear whatever you want as long as it's not fully naked, who cares.

[__inkRat]

If karen needed to explain her kid that they would need to kill for that body, she's full of shit. Eat right, do fitness and you will have such body. When those demigod looks are projected on man, most often we know how much work has gone into them, so its rarely a problem for man, because if someone crys about it, they get dirrected to gym and shamed about there eating habits. All valid points.

[2433red]

Teaching your daughter to be ashamed of her body because its inappropriate doesn't work and actually encourages low self esteem. This women maybe jealous or have her own body image issues or maybe of some faith but either way you shouldn't impose your way of thinking on others and expect them to live your way, one day your daughters will become women what will you say to them then? Complain when they make there own minds?

[KirstyW]

I think this sums up why I find the older lady's attitude so wrong.

[TruthBringer]

I'm not sure how telling my daughter not to wear a G-string = teaching her to be ashamed of her body. On the contrary, if I tell my daughter not to wear something too revealing as a G-string, it is to protect her from the wrong sort of attention, prying eyes and I'll be protecting her dignity. I'll be damned if I don't teach my daughter that she is more than some lustful body walking around to please the fantasy of others.

[__inkRat]

@TruthBringer If your daughter can't protect her own dignity, than there is no hope you can protect hers to. But to be honest I do not get this ood idea of hiding skin, wear what you want, or its just because half of beaches I have been woman are walking topless.
Ps. for me its more about body shape than having g-string, but I do love the looks of one piece swim suit on fit body.

[2433red]

@TruthBringer I was going off the energy the women had and the way she spoke and that her views were so strongly she went out of her way. Kids in general are tricky creatures in general if you go in with your thinking they will run to the hills as teens or adults. What should come first is their emotional/mental wellbeing, they are children also kids are innocent most times if you treat them with love and care they will reciptocate learn social norms and how people dress for diffrent occasions with their own eyes e. g. Black for funeral and follow suit. Parents should be good examples, Let children be children but most of all understanding them comes first before fear mongering or beatings. Instilling good values of love for themselves should be your life mission its complex if not then they will never speak to you again when your alone and old

[TruthBringer]

@2433red You're diverting away from my initial point. As you said, let kids be kids. And I'll be damned if I allow my kids to be sexualized because they feel societal pressure (influence through social media or peers). I will teach them the good values that have statistically proven to be most affective in terms of happiness. And that doesn't include wearing a G-string in a public area. I will teach my kids that they are individuals worthy of love and respect and not under the condition of them flexing their cleavage or asscheeks.

[realeyeofthetiger]

@TruthBringer Bravo!

@2433red if criticizing a g string is 'body shaming', why not we just go full nude in public? Or better yet... the workplace? Isn't it so narrow minded to wear clothes at work? Especially minors... why should they wear clothes? It is so restricting and confining and 'body shaming' for minors to wear clothes... esp. among strange adults in public.

/sarcasam

[TruthBringer]

@__inkRat If you think a parent has no responsibility in protecting their child's dignitity, then I wish the best of luck to your kids as their father is not doing a good job in being a GUARDIAN. It is my job to teach my kids that their value does not rely upon showing off their sexual assets. But rather, their value is in their individuality and what they contribute to society, their family and to themselves. Hiding skin is not only curcial to protect ourselves from the elements, it is also necessary to make sure we are not being sexualized (women especially). A person who is (highly) sexualized has their individuality stripped away and is seen as nothing but an object. So yes, it is MY responsibility in educating my daugher (s) about this. And it is up to her to carry on protecting herself. And when it comes to the dating market, men of value value women who value and respect themselves, not a woman who advertises herself to the world.

@realeyeofthetiger The mentality of some people here is incredibly disturbing. Trying to sugarcoat the fact a minor is wearing sexualized clothes. It's really not much different than being naked.

[realeyeofthetiger]

I voted B.

I know I am going to get a lot of hate cause today anything criticizing women is seen as repressive. Even though criticizing can be different than judging and the comment can be treating a woman no differently than a man in the same situation.

My reason is when one is in a public setting (family setting), a certain attire and behavior is expected. For example, one would not wear their most revealing sexy black dress to a kid's birthday party... it would be out of place for it and inappropriate in front of children.

Similarly, on a public beach where families are omni-present, wearing revealing bikinis (no practical function, other than to look sexy and perhaps entice onlookers) is fair game to receiving disapproving looks or comments. The male equivalent to this would be a thong which too is unnecessary and vulgar in a public/family setting such that the guys ass is on full display along with parts of his crotch.

If this was a less crowded beach and mostly adults, then knock yourself out in whatever bikini you would like to wear. Be naked, wear pasties, do whatever the fuck you want. Personally i find beach sex fun.

I do think kids get influenced by what they see and parents need to be careful and set examples for them. This is because kids do not understand the consequences of their actions like adults may and therefore are not fully prepared to step into the adult world. If clothing wasn't necessary in a civilized society, then we would all just roam around naked and save a ton of money. But since we do think clothing is significant, and child porn is an egregious thing, therefore having kids dress appropriately is important.

It's funny to see how feminism is being adopted today from what it at least was a decade or two ago. Feminism stood for seeing women for more than as sex objects and recognizing and respecting them as a person - instead of sexual cattle. Feminism wasn't a fashion trend, it wasn't used as justification for inappropriate clothing, and strong women fought for their rights of equality and decency in their lives... not cause it garnered them attention or popularity.

One of the easiest way to manipulate something is to present something without its context. So to clear my context... Women have the right to wear revealing clothing as it is their body and their choice. HOWEVER, just like men must obey rules of decency in certain areas such as public places, work, etc... women too should be subjected to the same rules and it is not sexism to ask them to practice common decency to all people present in the public area.

if they want to be sexy, do so in areas of adult settings where it is appropriate: parties, clubs, dates, adult beaches, red carpet, etc. Not: public places where families frequent, work, family concerts, disney channel.

The world is not desperate to see your ass or tits, and you can live with a little less self-obsession and "sexual expression". You identity is more than a sex object, and if men are respected and valued for their ideas and actions foremost, then so should women be.

[realeyeofthetiger]

I will add another example.

I love driving and I love driving fast.

DO I drive fast near schools or busy crowded streets, especially if a bunch of families are around? NO!

HOWEVER, do i go balls out on empty backroads where it just me or other enthusiast friends, or a track? FUCK YES

[TruthBringer]

This is obviously THE BEST comment under this thread. What's said is that this level of intellect is not even far-fetched, yet lacking in most people here. It's just lovely but also sad that people think in such black-white manner. It's either a "you're with me or against me" mentality, stripping away any crucial nuances that play a role. I agree with you 100%. Despite us being free to do what we can, we should still hold on to certain ethics and not overstep them.

[realeyeofthetiger]

@TruthBringer Thanks!

[Elocin614]

The younger lady is in the wrong here to me. The older one was absolutely entitled to her opinion. Yes one could argue she could keep it to herself, but if everyone kept a different opinion to themselves no one would speak. She didn't trash the young girl, she simply voiced a concern. I know places in the world that would consider the level of skin that was showing on a family beach indecent exposure, and potentially sexual harassment to minors. I personally don't care, but Everyone is going to have an opinion, and its just gonna come out some times. If its respectful even better, but the younger girl shamed the older women for having a different opinion, labelled her a Karen, and publicly bullied her WORLD WIDE!!

Then posts all of that, and how proud she is of exposing this "Karen", while simultaneously being a Karen doing it. With all that publicity I wonder how the older women's family has been affected, her job, her kids, and their life at school. All because the younger Karen couldn't have a conversation, and got butthurt over a difference of opinion.

The sad part is, all the points I made will be few, because the masses will focus on the one sided Karen part, and not the virtual Karen, and be more about body image b. s. and someone not minding their own business than "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can hurt me".

bragging about all of it... smh what a bully!

[realeyeofthetiger]

Exactly!

Thank you for stating this. I argued similar points in my comment albeit more rudely.
1) Wear what you want, but not in front of kids. There are plenty of adult oriented places for that. There is no purpose for a thong other than to look sexy and why would you want to do that in front of kids.
2) There was no need to bash the older lady in a widespread media circus. It is far more damaging to drag anyone through the media like that. If anything, the younger girl has now gained more viewership.

[TruthBringer]

So far the only pink comment that truly makes sense. Well said!

[Johnagain]

I just watched the video 'cause you're sexy. Lucky guy, eh?
I voted b but I'd like to change that to a. Here's why:
"Beach Karen" is entitled to her opinion, good come back, but she doesn't have to unload it harshly onto people like you who are minding their own business.
I didn't see any kids there trying to imitate "Fitness Model," and if there were, a towel around the bum is all you need to keep it rated G. Cool. We're at the beach.
Many people who are not that good looking are envious and resentful of those who have a "Great body." She hurts, because she wants that pleasure and piece of mind, (beatitude, if you will), that you two have, and she doesn't. She needs to understand the fine couple she witnessed before reacting to the trigger of her pain... the sight of you.
She'd be better off giving a friendly greeting, complimenting you two on being a fine couple, and maybe slipping a sly remark in, like, "Got it good, eh? Lucky you." And leaving it at that! The tone would say it all. But, se la vie. To each their own. I have only now learned to be gracious, despite my reservations/opinions about seeing hotties in public. I too feel that things worn by hot women like yoga pants, spandex, pj's, "Beyonce' pants, leggins or even rider pants should be banned in certain places. [camel toes... you know] But it depends on how they wear it; acting stuck up and just flaunting it for attention, or just innocently having a good time looking pretty in appropriate attire.
Lastly, you know the song "When You're Strange," by The Doors? For creep-minded men out there like me, "Women seem wicked, when you're alone..." [For the sake of mindfulness.] Peace.

[missy52]

Honestly, I have to admit that if it's a family beach, it's inappropriate to wear a g-string. Nobody needs to get to know your body that intimately when they don't even know their own bodies yet. But if it's a regular beach then do you dude. But then again, she has one of those bodies that would make anything look inappropriate. At the end of the day, there is an appropriate way to do things. Karen could've kept things moving and not comment and the girl could've worn something more appropriate for the kids like a full bikini (which is barely more fabric but it is far more accepted by parents).

[__inkRat]

Then In gues you have a mind that will try to find anything inappropiate. You should not come to Europe since about in half of its beaches woman tend to go topless, and I haven't heard of any family beaches. It would be far better to explain kid that she is eating right and going to gym training and that kind can have the same awsome body if she eats right and do fitness. I could care less if its g-string or not.

[missy52]

? To be quite frank, I don't care much for your opinion. I didn't speak with regards to Europe. I spoke of things generally and generally there are family beaches and that attire would be shunned. It would be far better to have places where both parents and patrons would feel safe. Now please hop off my opinion and stay off others too

[__inkRat]

@missy52 Well well are you entitled American, if you want to have only American opinions say so. If you fail to do so, expect opinions from whole world. In generally speaking there are no family beaches in my country because, we, somehow aren't scared of seeing a nipple or two.

Ps. if you need place to feel safe I suggest you to pack thing up and leave usa.

[missy52]

Except for the fact that I'm not American. Good for your country but most countries don't work that way. Look, I don't have the energy for you so leave me alone

[realeyeofthetiger]

@__inkRat So if Europe has places where people do this... everyone in the world should be Europe?

Didn't you try to colonize and eradicate the entire world by pushing european ideas once before?

Picture a unknown man in a tiny ass thong that makes a sorry ass attempt to cover his dick and balls. Now you see him hover around your five year old kid.

Many places will call that indecent exposure and possibly sexual harassment.

[TruthBringer]

Hmmm we can't pinpoint the true motives of the older woman. Whether it truly was out of jealousy or simply out of a more conservative mindset. It's easy to pin everything on "jealousy" just to discard someone's criticism while at the same time make us feel better.

Let's see, we got a model who wears a G-string on a family beach. I don't know if that beach truly is just for families and if there are certain dress rules. But if it truly is a family beach, then it's kind of immoral to wear a G-string even though a normal bikinibottom would have shown off your great physique aswel. But then again, if there are no rules to what you wear, the model has done nothing wrong legally.

I can only understand both perspectives. The way the so-called "Karen" expressed herself could have been more strategic.

[ZackBan]

It's not gard to answer actually the old lady is in the wrong because the reality that people continuously chose to ignore is that there is no such thing as setting an example or standards in anything.
Basically the woman's kids will be subjected to all kinds of things in life and will chose what influences them and what doesn't.
She can't force the world to change because she doesn't want her kids growing up to be a certain kind of people.

The world would be a better place once we all accept that the only thing we can change is ourselves and how we see the world but as soon as we start trying to change others, a problem turns into a bigger problem

[IAMNathanael]

I'm not really sure but it's the beach... what else should you expect? The "Karen" doesn't even have to explain anything to her kid, just give a vague answer and keep walking.

The word "Karen" really had become its own word at this point hadn't it? I'd like to invent a non vulgar word to represent that attitude so I don't have to bring actual karens down.

[KirstyW]

I feel exactly the same about using 'Karen' in this sort of context - somebody needs to come up with another term for the same thing!

[errorgoodnameunfound]

so I guess that means "Kevin" can't be used anymore either? Dam :( Ok fine, how about...

"Kristy"?

Jk, maybe... iNaggers? uh... hag goblins? Yah that could work! "Hag Goblins" :D

[magiusX26]

both. the older lady for expecting the world to cater to her views/opinion. the younger lady for calling her a karen over the older one stating her opinion. "karen"s are labeled that not because they have such an opinion but because they call authorities over that entitlement. this older one did not contact authorities over this, just mearly stated her entitled opinion. also younger one abd her boyfriend/friend are in the wrong (only a little bit) for posting that to their/her youtube channel without the older lady's permission for showing her face.

[NyceGuyFinishingLast]

The older lady was I think jealous of the fact that she couldn't wear that same bikini without feeling subconscious about her body. I mean if that is how that older lady felt about her wearing that bikini how did she have three daughters? Was she fully clothed during sex, in her younger days did she not wear a bikini? I mean this lady must have blocked the news, YouTube, Tiktok, music videos, movies, TV shows, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, the JC Penny Spring Catalog because she is trying to avoid answering questions from her daughter. I mean every where you look there is a lady in a sexy bikini. Does the older lady just avoid going to those stores? Most TV shows and movies expose women in bikinis and men without shirts on, does she instantly turn off the show or movie when they show that content? The older lady is full of shit.

[zeitgeist057]

Unsolicited opinion, the older lady is in the wrong.

Not that she's wrong or right about bikinis at the beach or whatever, it's just wrong to give your unsolicited opinion to a stranger.

Maybe someone is wearing white after Labor Day, or a confederate flag or MAGA hat, or an Obama Tshirt, or who knows what all. Maybe I agree with it, maybe I don't. But my opinion doesn't matter, neither does yours, nor does that Karen's.

That's the whole point about Karens, they are shoving their unwanted faces and opinions into other people's lives and it's not right. I could get in her face and tell her what an entitled, self righteous and judgmental bitch she is and how wrong she is, but that would make me just as wrong as her. So all I do is sit back and cringe at her lack of awareness.

[joeblow123]

" I could get in her face and tell her what an entitled, self-righteous and judgmental bitch she is and how wrong she is, but that would make me just as wrong as her. "

No it wouldn't. Quite the opposite.

"So all I do is sit back and cringe at her lack of awareness."

So instead you embrace cowardice.

[zeitgeist057]

@joeblow123 it’s not cowardice, it’s giving the respect to someone that I want to see in the world. I’ve been the guy who stands up and cries out and confronts every injustice I see. It doesn’t make me brave, it makes me the angry guy yelling at the inconsiderate lady who took 20 items into the 10 items or less lane. It doesn’t change her behavior, and it doesn’t make the world a better place.

[Don-__-Don]

The older lady.

People need to understand that the world doesn't revolve around them. The older lady in the video didn't get the memo.

The lady wearing the sexy bikini did nothing wrong, she wasn't breaking the law by any means.

The older lady is just being a bitch, thinking that people should bend thier will for her sake.

They're at a BEACH, what the fuck does she expect?

No, fuck her, that's not the reality here.

[Dragonpurple]

Things are not always who is right and who is not. I'd say they are both right, or both wrong.

The one has the right to wear that suit if its not illegal. The other has a right to her opinion as well.

A good parent would try to teach her daughter that it will be her choice some day.

See now imagine it reverse, the older lady wear what the younger one was, and the younger one coming up to her saying it is wrong to wear in public.

While your laughing, it doesn't matter... that is the beauty of true freedom, is both can be right or wrong, it really doesn't matter.

[jgokgotit]

Both were wrong, but more so the older lady. The woman in the bikini was wrong only because she basically shamed someone for their belief. Not everything needs to be filmed and put on youtube. If the older woman was nasty about it and causing a scene that would be different, but all she did was make a few comments and then left. The woman in the bikini was not wrong for wearing it if the laws allowed it, which they do seem to allow. That being said, the older lady did not really have a reason to go up and bother her. I agree that such a bikini is inappropriate in a public setting, but it is not my job to tell everyone how to dress. If I have a daughter, she will already be well aware of what is moral and what is not well before we go to any beaches. However, even with those morals, once she is 18 she can do whatever she wants.

[MCheetah]

The old lady was an asshole because she could've been polite and civil about her actions and words if she really cared. This was about her own self-righteousness, not "thinking of the poor children!" Besides, it's a public beach; as long as genitals and female nipples aren't exposed, anything goes.

[weysally]

I choose neither because though I like nude beaches the young lady was dressed Ok as far as I'm concerned, and I think maybe a little jealousy was with the other lady, it did appear that the younger lady took a long time to just get the salt and sand off her and she could have gone on her way, therefore maybe inciting a comment, but again the comment shouldn't have been made in the first instance

[0112358]

Probably the older lady, but i voted for the younger because people who go around filming their life as though it's a fashion shoot in public annoy the hell out of me. Yes, i know it's her 'job', however if she was actually a commercial entity she'd need permits to do what she is, most likely.

I'm sort of indifferent on the thong bikini, but no, they have not always been considered normal beach wear.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Hey, if you wanna go back in time to 1812 when beaches didn't allow that, feel free to build a time machine and do so. Most of us would rather like in years past 2002.

[darkcloud1945]

The Karen was wrong. The older woman should have been a little more tactful. The Bikini worn is very popular style these days. If the Karen did not like the bathing suit because she thinks it shows too much she should tell her daughter that it is only her opinion and tells her she would not be allowed to wear one. The public rant put her in a bad light.

[NoblesseObligeKK]

You shouldn't push your insecurities on other people, be it models or kids. Karen is wrong to shame someone for wearing a bikini. If it were a micro bikini; id be more sympathetic, but seriously this would be on par with a dude shaming another dude for being shirtless at the beach in trunks.

[QuietRunner]

depends on the backside view and the laws in the area. Could be both, could be the old lady.

However it does takes at least two people to be offended. One person feeling offended and expressing themselves toward a person, the other to feel offended from someone.

[KirstyW]

The backside view is in the video, and I don't think Australia has any laws about this style? But yes, you're right about it taking two...

[QuietRunner]

most likely the older lady. I do like that ass, it is sexy

[Kiran_Yagami]

Meh, they're about the same. I don't blame anyone who finds THOT activity annoying. The unbelievably over-inflated ego of average looking women is absolutely gob-smacking to me. There's nothing dumber than being out on a hike, or at the beach, or in some outdoor setting trying to enjoy the day and relax when some THOT and her simp boyfriend go around filming everything she does. It's distracting and inconsiderate. By the same token, a hot girl in a bikini at a beach is a normal day occurrence. Had she just been rinsing the sand off without her dumbass boyfriend filming absolutely everything I would say crazy Karen was in the wrong. No dog in this fight. Both people are dumb, inconsiderate human beings with inflated senses of self importance.

[joeblow123]

@Kiran_Yagami,

If he is filming his girlfriend so what. Who cares? It's the Karen that is the problem child.

[masonova1]

Dude, she was at the beach, dressed like she was at the beach, while her boyfriend filmed her. What are you talking about

[TiaraGlitzNeon]

What's your problem? Women can wear whatever they like, "average looking" or not.

[MrInteresting]

I was actually gonna say something similar myself but I wouldn't say the lady having a shower is out of order necessarily. I think the filming inflamed the situation. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe the woman would've acted the same but I can see where both were coming from here.

[BeenThereLovedIt]

It's never surprised me at how some people just can't handle nudity. It's natural and nothing to be ashamed of, everyone should go naked if they choose. It makes zero sense how hung up religion is on this. Make no mistake, organized religion has been warring against human bodies since its inception.

[KirstyW]

It didn't sound like she brought religion into it, though? She was just being pretty obnoxious.

[BeenThereLovedIt]

Right, but her views on it were ultimately created by organized religion. We're taught from birth that nudity is something to be ashamed of. We even refer to our body parts as "privates".

[KirstyW]

Hmm, I'm not sure we can extrapolate that, from what she apparently said, personally. My first reaction was that she's not in the best shape herself, so jealousy was probably playing a role somewhere?

[BeenThereLovedIt]

I guess I'm always looking at things from a top-down perspective. The interaction itself was difficult because of the volume and wind, I couldn't make out a word "karen" said. So assuming the younger woman was being honest and truthful in what was said, including the parts not on camera - She needs thicker skin if someone rudely and insultingly approaches her and speaks her mind. That's life, some people do that, and we've all experienced it. handling it with grace and calm is the only real way past it.
Somewhere around 1:50-2:00 in the video, she tosses the insult "then you see a 'wild karen' walking up", which seemed expertly used.

From my point of view, the young woman didn't even need to even mention it, much less give a long talk about it in her blog.. That act made it all about herself and she didn't just use the 'karen' term loosely, she promoted the video, with karen in the title, and posted it to several sites.

So while I have issue with the 'karen' doing what karens do, I also take issue with the young lady's response, which I think was done out of greed for juicy, pointless, drama-fueled reality blogging hoping she will be famous like everyone else. Shallow and sad.
My overall top-down point was that people shouldn't be so offended and afraid of the naked body. We all have them, you know? It's only a big deal because people make it a big deal. And look at the number of crimes, murders, and even wars that have happened in the name of some hangup about sex, and then further up the top - it was organized religion that established our standards and morals. We'd be better off without them, then we could really start to look inward for answers instead of outward.

I'm just more of a 'big picture' type I guess.

[lovelyhoneybones]

She needs to mind her own business. I hate when people are lik "their are kids around" AND SO? Nobody has to live their life to accomodate KIDS. Put a blind fold on your kids or don't go to the beach dumb ass. She's probably mad because SHE couldn't wear something like that grinds my mothafukkin gears.

[boggboss]

The older women was yes u can share your opinion but its still rude along as the women was doing nothing inappropriate which she was not

[KirstyW]

This is what bugs me - the younger lady was genuinely minding her own business, and wasn't bothering anybody, so why make it into a fight?

[boggboss]

Entitlement many people are like this its out there just many dont expirance it we get caught up thinking most people have some level of commen decency on not being a dick not starting issues for no reason but no many people think there opinikns are fact and everyone must know it if they think it

[TMom53]

I truly believe it was out of spite. The woman in the bikini was showering and minding her business. The older woman could have kept on walking. She's most likely ticked because she can't wear even a 2 piece swimsuit. Also, her kids werent around at that time.

[realeyeofthetiger]

she was wearing a 2 piece underneath. you can see it. Love the assumptions drawn. Picture a unknown man in a tiny ass thong that makes a sorry ass attempt to cover his dick and balls. Now you see him hover around your five year old kid.

Many places will call that indecent exposure and possibly sexual harassment.

[JoshMacDonald]

Unless it is strictly prohibited by law, the older lady is in the wrong. You can have your personal opinions and maybe morally there’s a huge portion of the population that feel the same way. However, if it’s not illegal then it’s none of your business. Imagine if that old lady was in Spain. On all beaches outside city limits you can bathe naked. On most beaches in France you can go topless. In comparison that’s not that bad.

[Shiver]

Bruh, that bikini's not even that bad, what's the old hag so pissed off about?
Imagine taking your kids to the beach where you KNOW people are dressed in very little and then complain about girls in bikinis.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Said the exact same thing. Lotta people here are prunes though my gawd.

[foxrider77]

The younger women is 100% right especially with that fit sexy body. Wow she looked amazing in that thong. Why couldn’t they wear them when I was younger. That old rat is just jealous she doesn’t have a sexy bod like that.

[Chriscunning]

I think it's rude to comment on someone's outfit somewhat 'out of the blue' and get into their space.

But having said that I don't think g-strings are the best choice. Most guys will likely only view you as a sexual object. Also were is the line of 'to little'. Can she walk around naked or a thin little string hanging over. Is that alright? Is it the g-string? Or is it pants that are to short?

[ObscuredBeyond]

The combination of badly-fitting bra and clashing red and black top and bottom could be considered a fashion faux pas. But honestly, I'd try to ignore it. To get that vicious, the older lady indicates having an issue inside herself. In all fairness, I'd avoid either.

[DrunkAss]

The cameraman and who edited this shit is the ultimate asshole in my opinion. The fat mother might be crude and intolerant but she's just a fattie and she's a mother with kids. The people who make a point off the fatties are the real assholes. Or maybe everyone is an asshole. It is a shame to me that hot girl with nice ass has to make a point out of this shit. I am tired of this victim culture -- whether it's the fatties or the hot ones.

[DrunkAss]

My prescription is to put you all in internment camps. Then you can learn to appreciate each other.

[MarkVDV]

You're right. It should be obvious she's in the wrong - but that doesn't mean she deserves this public trial. Whether she's a 'fattie' or not is besides the point by the way - but it does seem like her insecurities and frustrations took over. I'm happy no one is there to film me when that happens to me. And it does - it happens to all of us from time to time.

[DrunkAss]

Cheers! I might have gone a bit rambly and pissed for that one. I just don't like the way people get "set up" in their worst moments for the media with the cameras rolling. They might be in the wrong but I don't like using PR as a weapon because, unfortunately, the masses are like angry mobs. The majority seem lacking in their abilities to reflect and realize that most of us are guilty of some ignorance or vulnerable to bad days here and there. If I'm trying to spot "victims" in the scenarios and perpetrators, I often think the victims are the ones being filmed and the people who recorded that incident and exposed it to the masses.

Like the Christian Bale incident on Terminator: Salvation. I don't know if Christian Bale is an asshole. He might be. His little tantrum made him sound like an egomaniacal asshole if I ignore context and the fact that I can also have the worst days here and there. I don't know if he's an asshole. But I think whoever recorded him and published this audio recording for everyone to listen to is a calculated, manipulative asshole for sure.
https://youtu.be/0auwpvAU2YA

[DrunkAss]

[...] and the [perprerators] who recorded that incident and exposed it to the masses. [...]
And I refuse to be like the masses and become outraged over some video or audio clip that is almost certainly intended to try to ruin this person's reputation... in such a cowardly way. It is bullying in my eyes. It is the weakest way to attack a person. And it is effective... but so is poisoning someone's food, or murdering them in their sleep, or stabbing them in the back. There is no honor here.

[joeblow123]

@drunkass

Blame the guy and excuse the Karen. You are a total white knight pussy.

[joeblow123]

@drunkass

"My prescription is to put you all in internment camps."

Try it. It will literally be the last thing you ever attempt to try.

[DrunkAss]

@joeblow123 Look around, fuck face. I'm defending the fat old woman. Projecting much? I'm the precise opposite of you feminist simp incel MGTOW whatever-the-fuck whiny spoiled brat types you are. You have no idea about hardship, toughness, discipline. You one of those vegans? I mean let me know what type of faggot I've offended this time.

[joeblow123]

@drunkass,

"I'm defending the fat old woman."

I know that. That is why I am jumping your shit. Because she is in the wrong.

" I'm the precise opposite of you feminist simp incel MGTOW whatever-the-fuck whiny spoiled brat types you are. You have no idea about hardship, toughness, discipline."

You don't know the first thing about me so shut the fuck up.

If you want to see a faggot look in the mirror.

[DrunkAss]

@joeblow123 Respect. :-D Well, I think you confused an asshole for a simp. I did a lot of work in Hollywood (not a celebrity but I worked with many in the film industry and hung out with them) so my whole kind of bias is that I get pissed by people shining cameras on people and ruining their reputations for saying some disagreeable shit, just as I'd get pissed if you lost your job over our fun exchange. I've become a bit belligerent and drunk over the years so I also say shit here and there, but I do it privately/anonymously like on here. I at least learned that about this PR stuff in Hollywood that being too impulsive and assertive and saying shit people don't like can cost someone their entire career. But my thing is that I hate how the world is shining cameras on people, or firing people over a Twitter comment, or some shit like that. You know what I'm saying? I don't even think we're on opposing sides here.

[joeblow123]

@drunkass

I hate Hollywood. I can't stand the place. I don't like drunks either.

[Anonymous]

See this is the down side of using dolphin friendly fishing nets that 'they' dont want you to hear about.

Without keeping sea monster numbers in check they end up coming onto the land and bothering people.

We've already seen Tokoyo in ruins, its only a matter of time before we have another Godzilla incident, next time we could see Australia on fire.

One thing does puzzle me though, was that the 11th sea monster of the year or are they all called Karen?

[errorgoodnameunfound]

I formally nominate you VP as part of my reign as king o trolling on this here site. Kudos sir. :D

[joeblow123]

Male celebrities have been attacked: mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/.../...assaulted.html

[errorgoodnameunfound]

@joeblow123 That's a bit... off topic. But is that your blog? I will say I'm interested. Please don't tell me your one of those automated ad bots/users..

[jshm2]

The Karen of course.

It's allegedly a "free country" so they both should be free to wear what they like.

As for role model. It's up to the mother, not others, to be a role model to her kids.

[yofuknutz]

I lived with old people, they are a pain in the azz!

[KirstyW]

I don't think all of them are, but this particular one seems really entitled, like @boggboss says?

[yofuknutz]

I have met a handful sweet as honey the rest was Sour like vinegar

[Ghostloli]

It’s not like she was topless or something, so yeah older person was in wrong.

But the other woman was also wrong for the need to post it on internet, who cares.

Then also just WHY? wear a bike helmet in the kitchen in underwear / bra or whatever that top was, that’s jus bad on so many levels.

[realeyeofthetiger]

Her ass was completely showing. If you look at her blog, apart from fitness content she has photos in clothes that barely cover anything. So she is part time into fitness, and part time just posting SEXY photos (probably to gain viewership). Same thing with blasting this video on the internet, it won't be completely insane if she wore that tiny bikini and thong in a video (with at least 2 families and kids in the background) just to trigger backlash and then post it on social media for attention and publicity... to boost her blog and youtube.

Personally, I don't think her thong is appropriate in front of kids. Girls and boys. Just imagine a guy walking around your daughter in a tiny revealing thonged speedo... that would be ok to wear and expose to an underage girl?

There is literally no function to wearing that tiny swimsuit other than 'be sexy'. They can do that in a more adult setting instead having a sexual fest of feeling/being/showing sexy in a family setting.

[Goodwifie]

Older lady for sure.
Look I wouldn't wear a bikini like that but it doesn't mean that other ladies shouldn't.

[MannMitAntworten]

It never ceases to amaze me how critical women are towards other women... The old gal wouldn’t have said a word if she could have rocked the same attire.

[StarryCrossing]

The older lady was probably jealous so she made up some bs.

[ChrisMaster69]

Yep that’s usually the case

[Paris13]

To the Older Lady: SHUTTTYVILLE, IF YOU WILL. Mind your own business. xx

[na2398]

The old lady is totally at fault. She cannot judge anyone based on their clothes. She's probably jealous that none of her daughters look as good as the young lady in the video. This bikini is pretty normal.

[shortster]

The IG model is in the wrong for wearing a bike helmet inside.

[KirstyW]

Hahaha, have a point for proving you watched it!

[errorgoodnameunfound]

lol clever

[katiesmuff]

Nothing at all wrong with that bikini. I have several myself that show my entire backside.

[Sevenpointfive]

i don't know new zealand laws so i can't say. at least she walked away to jill off in her car to that hot body

[Goodwifie]

This was in Australia.
There's no laws saying that the bikini isn't appropriate.

[Sevenpointfive]

@Goodwifie i mean the karen was rude but it could have been a lot worse

[Goodwifie]

She was an absolute cow.

[Sevenpointfive]

@Goodwifie i bet she'd be showing it off if she had that girls body

[strawberrylipstick]

Just cause she doesn't wanna wear a revealing bathing suit herself doesn't mean other people can't. You'd think the older lady would be a feminist seeing as it effects her too, but that action does the exact opposite for the entire movement

[CasaNorba]

that old karen was obviously jealous and couldnt control herself. but of course she has to be self righteous about it like if she's fully naked and provoking.

[Poppykate]

There is a part of me that feels her bikini isn’t appropriate with small children around... 🤔 but I guess that’s the parent’s responsibility to explain what’s appropriate and inappropriate beach attire. So glad I am not a parent!

[realeyeofthetiger]

Picture a unknown man in a tiny ass thong that makes a sorry ass attempt to cover his dick and balls. Now you see him hover around your five year old kid.

Many places will call that indecent exposure and possibly sexual harassment.

[TruthBringer]

Because it isn't appropriate wearing it with children around. It's more appropriate in adult settings.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

The older lady is in the wrong. The older lady has to mind her business. She doesn't own the beach and has no right to tell another person how to dress.

[Myk13]

I don’t think there is a wrong. The older lady could have asked her politely to cover up. Explaining about her daughters after. They both have the right to do what they did.

[Darcia]

The older lady invading the younger lady while showering and wearing no shoes or socks.

[Finchie40]

The older woman is in the wrong , she had no right saying anything and confronting her

[bigslimone]

The obvious conclusion. the changing times... growing up bathroom use was something you did w/o discussion, today I hear WOMEN saying I have to pee, to me immediate embarrassment is felt, yet speaking ones mind is highly encourage when the data is not to harm, thus one has to except we are between the way it is and was... hello world.

[_no_one_]

The older one can learn how to mind her own business, it was a fucking beach anyways, who gives a fuck about what someone else is wearing on a beach?

[Bigtom155]

For one, the older lady’s daughters weren’t even in the picture as far as I could see. Second, who is the older lady to tell someone what is or is not appropriate. Was she the self appointed swimsuit police?

[Bananaman177]

They're both right.

The young woman is dressed like a slut, and the old lady is a nasty fucking Karen who would be dressed just as slutty if she looked like that. Probably sluttier.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

It's also at the beach though where at some of them, there's a nudist section. There's also always a sluttier outfit. Hers was quite mild by many standards.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

The Older Woman is in the wrong here, the Younger Woman wasn't doing anything wrong?

[Likes2drive]

It’s a beach, nothing wrong with it, she has the body for it, some areas they go top less, I can only imagine how upset she would be with that

[Stephie2369]

Why should anyone be judgmental and tell another what they should and should not wear!

[pokenstroke]

i have a message from gandolph, my level is too low

[ChrisMaster69]

Yeah it’s just crazy, people have freedom and it’s a beach

[BarryLiverstone]

Wow if she complained about that bikini stay off the Florida beaches lol

[OfDeath]

Lol flaunt it while you've got it. Everyone knows that.

[007kingifrit]

i like boobs but that is one hell of a revealing bikini. maybe things have gone a little too far

[boxcarjoe]

Its litteraly a thong, you can see her entire ass

[007kingifrit]

@boxcarjoe i was looking at the top, they're like all the way out there lol

[TruthBringer]

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Dude, all the ones here complaining need to grow a pair. It was a g string bikini. Yah, girls wear them. It's a beach, not a fucking funeral! I've seen similar or worse at school. Stop with the prune tribe pitchforking already.

[boxcarjoe]

@errorgoodnameunfound would you still be ok if she wasn't hot? Or maybe if it was a huge hairy dude showing his whole ass.

[TruthBringer]

@boxcarjoe Exactly! I bet he wouldn't like it if it was some obese girl or an old lady/man wearing a G-string. Afterall, it's "just a G string" and on a "fucking beach". So it must be okay! 😂

[boxcarjoe]

If I went anywhere wearing nothing but a banana hammock it would bother people

[errorgoodnameunfound]

@TruthBringer Actually no, I still wouldn't give a crap. If an obese dude wants to wear the same thing, even a dress, I still don't give a fuck. It's called having a pair.

[TruthBringer]

@errorgoodnameunfound If you think that is considered "having a pair", then you've made a fool out of yourself here. One can not be affected when seeing such unpleasantries walking around. Doesn't mean that people can't have an opinion. And you clearly confuse "complaint" with having an opinion. Which is funny because it's you who seems to be mostly affected. So take your own advice about growing a pair.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

@TruthBringer Dude, this is just general debate. Calm down. You think girls should dress like the 1700s. I am more 21st century. We have our differences. It happens. I have thick skin. When you see somebody being burned alive because of a car accident from somebody else drunk driving let me know, as in comparison, a slutty outfit is nothing. Grow some fucking skin and as I said grow a pair. I was told several times the same shit, but I actually listened. Your turn.

[TruthBringer]

@errorgoodnameunfound 1700s. Apparently a normal bikini that doesn't go through your butt is something out of the 1700s 😂. Also, not sure where you got the ideas that I'm not calm. Or that the cognitive dissonance telling you. Chill out mate, I'm simply pointing out the flaws in your comment. Nobody said you can't have your preference. I just simply choose to respect women who don't choose to advertise themselves in sexy lingeries but for swimming, but women who actually wear swimming suits for the sake of swimming. To each their own, buddy ;)

[errorgoodnameunfound]

@TruthBringer So you're OK with a regular bikini, but SPECIFICALLY a very skinny bikini is not OK. Bro, it does the same shit. Especially if she's going swimming with it, WHO CARES? The water will cover it most of the time anyways and there are hundreds of girls in all shapes and sizes at any beach at any time. You don't have to look. If it offends you so much, build your own beach and invite ladies in burkas, get out the accordian and go crazy partying like 1699. Hell, I even even have a song you can play while ya do so :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOfZLb33uCg

[TruthBringer]

@errorgoodnameunfound If it's the same, then why do s many "models" or attention seeking thots wear things like G-strings? Ah, yes. They aren't the same. One simply exposes more than the other. Hence why those who wear them tend to get more sexual attention. Try not to insult people's intelligence next time, buddy. "burkas", "1699" Ah yes, one cannot come up with a valid counter-argument without a bunch of strawmen. Gotta love how you take things so seriously and it seems you're even offended to some degree. The irony of telling someone else to "grow a pair". The projection is obvious 😂. All because there are men out there who value a healthy amoutn of modesty without taking things to a radical level. Take your own advice bud. Seems like you need it.😂

[errorgoodnameunfound]

@TruthBringer Oh how I shudder in fear of how Mr. 1699 is owning me so much. Dude, bikinis are bikinis. Whether literal strings or not, they're gonan draw attention. One may draw a little more but attention is attention. Even porn stars often wear regular bikinis. Please escape that bubble of 1492. :D

[TruthBringer]

@errorgoodnameunfound As I predicted, no intelligent comeback whatsoever. My man as I said, take your own advice on growing a pair. Not everyone is going to see things from your perspective. And that's fine.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

@TruthBringer I never said there was issue with having different opinions. Quite the opposite. "Grow a pair" got dramatically taken outta context. Guys tell each other that all the time. It was meant as an expression, not to offend like it seems to have Mr. 1356. :D

[TruthBringer]

@errorgoodnameunfound 😂🤦‍♂️

[007kingifrit]

@errorgoodnameunfound the sexual displays in public are just going too far. don't try to figure out where the line is just acknowledge the trend

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Dude. It's a beach. It's not near your front lawn. Or at a grocery. it's a beach. Like I said, go watch what happens to bodies after a bad car crash or kids during wartorn areas. Suddenly, a stupid bikini isn't that big a deal.

[TruthBringer]

@007kingifrit "iT's jUsT a BiKiNi!" Don't bother with simple-minded people, mate.

[Wise4myage]

The older lady, she was just jealous of that hot body.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Lol..