I’ve only ever met one trans person irl and she wasn’t confused at all. She was a girl and wanted to be treated like one.
Sorry for my naïveté. I’m just curious how common this is.
Yep but only because I worked at a counselling centre were some of our clients were receiving counselling for various things.
This would often come out during a session, where they would voice their thoughts on how they perceived themselves and how it conflicted with what others said and how others perceived them. This led to various levels of confusion.
Yes a large number of people are very sure and know how they are (by 4) however a bit like sexuality (not the same thing) not everyone is able to admit to themselves or are simply unsure.
it is easier these days as there is far more counselling and also some countries are more accepting of how people are rather than how society says they should be.
The confusion if that’s the right word is more of a questioning, of why do I feel this way.
We would also do family sessions, as it was harder for families to accept than the individual. The individual often knew exactly how they felt and what gender they felt aligned with, they were however a square peg in a round hole and their family kept pushing them back in to the wrong hole.
Ages were 12 - 25 who received counselling, it was sort of a sliding scale from 12 to 25 on level of not knowing what to think.
Not exactly confused as such but more questioning, also this was going back 15 years and a lot of things were not as open as they are now.
Yeah I've been around those problems before. I had a friend that I was close her name was Emily but she acts like a tomboy and I just treated her like a boy until she felt ready to become a girl. We would do a lot of boys stuff together such as video games, rock climbing, basketball, cycling, and she eventually asked me if I see her as a girl and I told her that it didn't really matter. Regardless if Emily was acting like a boy or a girl it wouldn't change the fact that she was my best friend and I accepted her for her. So I just kept pretending that she was a boy and just went with the flow.
There's a pretty big difference between openly talking about being confused about your gender and "how you dress." How you dress does not (necessarily) imply your gender. Women who wear their boyfriends hoodie aren't confused about whether they're a girl or not. Men who wear earrings aren't (necessarily) confused either. But you probably didn't mean it that way it just bugs me when people assume based on an outfit.
Anyway I do know of a person irl who was confused about their gender. They aren't trans though they just had a problem with traditional gender roles. And you don't need to change your gender to change your roles.
I didn’t mean it that was
I didn't think so you seem cool. it just sounded that way.
Loads this pronoun crap is a load of rubbish to make people feel special. My cousin is gender fluid and decides whether she’s male or female day to day I hate it it’s all for attention. After acting like a guy all my life I am female I have female bits it’s a concrete fact I am female I don’t need a title to tell me I am female but act like a guy. Trans is a little different if they are having alterations done but all other genders are mute
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One of my closest friends from way back was super adept at dodging the question of whether they are a guy or a girl.
I just called them by their initials, and online they would act ambiguous and reply something along the lines of ":) , it doesn't matter" to people asking about their gender.
Physically they had the body of a woman and claimed to not be romantically or sexually interested in my gender (which made me super duper sour at the time because they were awesome and like the only person actively rejecting my advances lol).
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Nope, and i would never get how one is confused by there own gender or sexuality because it's just a thing you know really.
Like it's pretty obvious feeling of what you are.
I didn't ever question the fact that i am into women, i didn't ever once question the fact that myself isn't confined by masculine or feminine in the sense of what society imposes therefore i couldn't care if one was to call me he or she and of course i am still aware i am a biological male.
i've never been confused by such things. Nor met anyone alike who has.
No, my sex is obvious. My gender is that of something else it's a mix or not either that of girl or boy nvm my personality disorder that makes it weirder.
So while your right most people call me he and wouldn't think to say otherwise, and i don't correct them cause there is nothing to correct since i don't mind either and it is just easier. Because i am still just a biological male into women and it honestly makes no difference to my relationships.
But i've always know i am not by gender just a guy more of both or neither.
A quote from one of my Ex's "You have an attitude of a man but love like a woman" in my head that's a hard one to wrap around cause i am like attitude of a man what does that even men or love like a woman?
But that was her picking up on my gender. And my ex's have all noticed it in some way.
Like one of my favourite songs "Please don't complicate me, I don't understand, Sometimes I'm feminine, Sometimes I'm masculine, Don't evaluate me as woman or man, It's keeping me awake, Can't differentiate a... Am I a girl? Am I a boy? What does that even mean?
I'm somewhere in between." Now the song is fully on point because i don't care that much that it keeps me awake lol But it get's the theme across.
I've met one or two confused young women who thought they were trans, dressed like boys and wore badges with their preferred pronouns. I pretty much ignored them. I seriously doubt if they were born with gender dysphoria. I'll bet that they are just lesbian but have been confused by the hip, transexual trend. And, of course, they are liberal. I have liberal values, but liberalism has gone off the rails.
I do know two people who genuinely had gender dysphoria. One was a lady who had undergone full transition before I met "him". I wouldn't have even known. She made a really good guy, although short. We actually became friends. He wasn't a weirdo and didn't have an agenda.
I am friends with a married couple. The husband had gender dysphoria and, with his wife's consent did the full transition. You can tell by is face, Adam's apple and height that he used to be a man, but is very happy. And he and his wife are still happily married. They're both really good people.
I have a lot of trans and non-binary friends. Some are genuinely confused and they are trying to figure things out. But many of them are not confused at all, and they have a stronger notion of their own gender than most other people. It’s what happen when you have to think a lot about it, and actively experiment. In the end you get a better understanding of who you are.
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No, I have never known anyone who was openly confused about their gender. It is a pretty low percentage of the population. Although from the way the media makes it sound, you'd think 10% of the population wants to get gender reassignment surgery. LOL...
That’s why I asked this question
I've met people who think gender is a type of mentality, like the way you think, dress, act, what you like, etc. I don't agree with those people though.
To me gender = genital arrangement/biological sex.
This is because thats what it means in animal encyclopedias and medical books, and if people are often breaking gender stereotypes, it makes more sense to simply say the stereotype is wrong, instead of saying they are a different gender or gender fluid or whatever (whenever I hear "gender fluid" i just think "so you mean cum then?")
Well you see... imagine if you lived in a world where you were told that the color blue does not exist. If you see it you must call it "green". In that world, if you say you see blue you're called crazy. Your employer fires you. You could even go to prison. Naturally, you then say there's no such thing as blue.
In modern western society, it's forbidden to say that a lesbian/homosexual/trans person is confused. Even if you would never confuse this person for being a natural born person of the gender they claim to be... you can't say that. You can't even feel that or you're in danger of being arrested by the gestapo. So of course, when we see a FUGLY dude in a dress or even what appears to be a woman who acts and sounds100% like an angry man we're supposed to just overlook it. Pretend it's normal. Pretend that they're normal and in full control of their mind. They can't be confused. They must be special.
I have met two people, a girl and a teenage boy who were not sure of their gender. Both had many issues including a very poor home life. They did not get much help from their parents who refused to talk to them about their feeling. I don’t know what happened to the girl, but the boy eventually had a sex change operation.
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4 who work at Starbucks lol. I don't know if it was just my area. But seemingly over night Starbucks around here hired on people who were trans.
Two who started their hormome cycles and the other two that just leaned more into their feminine. Now that I think about it. All men to female trans too
I've known a lot of people however I don't think most people are open about it, I think its something most people only share with close friends or others they know are going through it if they share at all.
So I guess not 'open' I guess but I knew about it, I'm not surprised most people have never talked about it tho
One of my best friends was. They like being a boy but they’ve decided that they also like being a girl so they’re happy with staying as a girl physically.
That makes sense
Went on a date with a genderfluid chick. She wanted to take some hormones but not get surgery and so be a sort of androgynous middle-gender person. It's weird enough to think that she's full of shit, but people who pay attention to the discourse know these kinds of weirdos are out there.
why are you... like this?
Like what?
I don't know? transphobic? it's so easy to not be a dick.
And what do you think transphobic about it?
"It's weird enough to think that *she's full of shit*, but people who pay attention to the discourse know these kinds of *weirdos* are out there."
@simpforeddie It is very weird. You'll have a very difficult time trying to convince anyone that it's not weird. She may have been serious, that's what I assume, but she could also be making things up to try to ditch me without having to be direct -- girls do that shit. I'll never know for sure if she was truly serious or not.
So everything is fine, don't get all worked up over nothing.
Yes, I know both naturally born males and females who later in life realized the gender that most made them feel most comfortable.
In all cases - they saw something about their life that wasn't working, then they did something about it - good for them.
For those that don't like gender transformations: Don't get one and live YOUR life and quit worry about what other people do - especially when it doesn't impact you in any way shape or form.
Agreed
I've met many trans people and they've all had an idea of what pronouns they prefer and how they feel about their identity being either feminine, maculine, androgynous or fluid.
Very cool
I've only met one person who was happy to discuss it openly and they're slowly transitioning. I've also met about a dozen people who you could tell by the way they look and dress.
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Yes, I have trans friends. It’s actually very common. Some say that it’s more common in real life than in theory!
Cool. Thanks for answering.
U R welcome sweetie.
I've SEEN gays that have dressed like women, and lesbians that have dressed as men. As for transgenders? Unless one came up to me and said they were transgender, I would know or care especially.
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I knew one guy who was confused about his sexual orientation. He identified as straight in the first trimester, gay the second, and bisexual the third. Everyone he talked to it about was very supportive. Of course that college was extremely liberal so that could be why. We had an entire fraternity and house (different than the fraternity) devoted to those that were not heterosexual.
openly confused, never... everyone I met was quite sure of how they felt and how they were, there were others though but maybe I was the one unsure about them and I really didn't know them well so it wasn't my business really... lol
This place is full of them. They're fukkin whack. Maybe why there here in the first place - the epitome of confuzzled.
@Browneye57 I do not agree at all with your characterization. I only liked your opinion cause you were reasonably polite about it.
And you've obviously confused me for someone who gives a shit. :)
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