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Trending & News A high value man is far more valuable than a beautiful woman; beauty is cheap. While woman have an abundance mentality in the sense of many male suitors, only few guys actual stand out as actually datable in their eyes. Hence the term "Where are all the good men" being used by modern women a lot these days.
So when you are a woman and you finally get your "prince charming" and all other male options are just toads in your eyes, you are going to tolerate and be forgiving of cheating because the prospect of having to go back on dating market is a bleak though in her eyes. Kevin talks about this in his video below with Jessica Lee Wong who is a model in Miami.
Now why are men less tolerant of cheating? For one sex can lead to babies and many women will often keep their affairs secret and stick the guy she thinks would be the best dad for her child with the bill of raising him/her regardless of if he is the actual father. In addition, states reinforce this behavior because on an individual level government does not want to pay the bill of having to take care of this human.
Another reason men are far less forgiving is pride and emasculation. Many men see a woman cheating on him and going for another male as her basically saying he is not manly enough for her and it takes a big blow to a male's ego when he finds out his woman wants another male.
Men are also less forgiving about cheating because men have the reverse of what women have. While there are many men on planet, women only see a handful (top 20% of males) as datable.

For men, we see beautiful women all the time and even appreciate the average 5/10 girl as a potential prospect of a mate on a genuine level. So when a girl cheats we are willing to pack up shot and go for another girl because there are thousands out there. Granted it will take an average man longer to get another girl post breakup and yes some men are pathetic enough to remain after cheating.
There are 7100 languages in the world and you chose to speak facts.
To me, it's about attitude, motive, and exact third party. If she thought I'd dropped off the map, and tried to move on, but couldn't, then felt guilty when I returned, I could forgive. If she's cheating with multiple partners, isn't sorry, expects me to be a cuck full time, laughs at my grief, and still expects me to be at her beck and call? That girl is getting thrown to the curb, and isn't getting another chance!
Likewise, if a man is simply weak, women might forgive, due to nurturing instinct. And because he's a survival ticket if society collapses. Natural instinct tells her that throwing him out should be a last resort. Now, if he's a complete asshole, that changes things. Then, she can be understood to kick him to the curb.
In hunter-gatherer days, mothers were essential for children until about the age of six. Fathers became the primary teachers and nurturers after that, with mothers assuming a role of lesser responsibility. Things equaled out. In the modern era, nothing is so readily predictable. Yet, if the man has lost hope of meaningful family planning and paternity, then a woman needs to be of value outside of biology to be needed. So women who betray that, devalue what's left of their value. Making men less inclined to forgive.
I suspect this is a hold over from back when women pretty much needed a husband. Women gained the right to open their own bank account in the 60s. "Women's jobs" didn't pay very much. It was extremely difficult to support yourself without a husband. So, back then, if your man cheated, you probably looked the other way to protect your own quality of life. To this day, while it's not nearly as severe, women still tend to make less money than men, struggle with negotiating for raises, and can be discriminated against based on things like "oh, she could get pregnant and take maternity leave, and then want to spend more time with the kids, so better not give her the big promotion" even if she's completely single.
So... it could very well be financially motivated. Even if she doesn't realize it is or is well-off financially herself, she may have been taught that all men cheat and it's not a big deal and that a good woman forgives and forgets from the older women (or even the men) in her family who passed down the idea that you need a man to be stable. These things can be generational.
As for men, I would suspect it's the pregnancy thing. I don't think not wanting to be cheated on needs much justification, but I would assume doubt over paternity would make it worse.
Not a lot of experience to know on this, I would have to guess. The one girl I knew that her husband cheated on her, forgave him cause she had like 25 sexual partners before they met, and he had 3... so she was still like, I'm way ahead of you. In this case, he wasn't emotionally cheating, just physically.
I suspect that if two people were each others first, got married and all it might be much harder for one to forgive the other though... seems in those cases people always go for divorce.
Otherwise I think it is one of those things you never know if you'll forgive or not until your in that situation. We can say we never will but then if it happens have to re-evaluate that pre-made decision.
what kind of a guy would marry a girl with that high of a body count when he’s only had 3? 😂
@dolemite89 Clearly this guy, maybe he thought he'd never get a girl or something so he settled.
sounds like the definition of a simp 🤣
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Girls don't tend to build their self worth around their sexual prowess like men do. To most girls sex is best experienced as a way to enhance their feelings for someone. And when a guy cheats the main reason women are upset about it is because they take it as an indication that their guy is trying to get emotionally involved in someone else. So, when a guy insists it was just for the sex women, assuming she believes him, tend to view it with much the same disapproval that they would if they caught him masturbating but that's not enough to end a relationship.
Of course, many women have trouble believing sex is just for the sake of sex. Even if the guy means it they know the girl he slept with usually doesn't - a man can only squirt so much into a girl's mouth before he either has to move on or stay forever, after all.
The point is while there is some competition among women for who is better at sex it is almost laughable compared to the mountain of emotional mudslides that is the male competition for it. So, when a woman cheats it cuts to the core of what we build our self esteem around. This is also where the concept of "emotional cheating" comes from. It's something women get really upset about if a man does it but women can do it in front of their man and half the time he won't even notice - the other half is probably just happy she's getting all that out in someone else's ear. Words and worries are what women have instead if ejaculate. The sort of girl who would pay for her guy to have a prostitute is equivalent to the sort of guy who would pay for his girl to have a therapist.
One of the major problems with guys cheating is women are generally more attracted to taken men vs single men when all else equal. Men (for the most part) are not more drawn to taken women. But women unfortunately enable these shitty scenarios. When I was in a relationship in the past it was insane how much more “friendly” other women acted towards me. Actually pissed me off. Where were you when I was single?
Anyway when it comes to women likeability = respect. They have a much harder time understanding the difference.
They will tolerate prolonged abuse from a man they like including cheating. They also don’t feel as much guilt for cheating on a man they do NOT really like. They often try to do mental gymnastics to justify that bs.
I am glad you came to acknowledge that your past actions were wrong. You understand that your bs emotions didn’t justify what you did. That’s another difference between men and women. I don’t see as many women taking ownership for their bs vs how men do it.
Because men take being cheated on as a way more serious and huge hit to their ego than women do.
Yeah, we get sad and offended that you chose to be disloyal to us in that manner. But we also know there's a line up of 100s more waiting to get a chance to please us too.
We can and will get over it quickly. Now, if she forgives you, consider yourself lucky.. There's a lot of bitches out there that won't give you the time of day after something like that, and I am one of those bitches lol. If you don't respect me enough to just end it with me like a real man once you're realizing I'm just not what you think you want anymore, then you ain't worth a lick of my time anyway.
Boy bye! 🙅♀️💁♀️🤷♀️
It definitely is an ego thing for men , What attracts us to a girl other than her beauty and personality is the fact that she is loyal to us and only has eyes for us and stays faithful to us and gives us lots of sex without really having to initiate it when she comes to us it’s a huge turn on , When a guy hears that the girl he gave his heart to has been screwed by other guys it’s a turn off to most men , why so many guys are against being with a girl that already has kids with someone else. For most guys to be happy and content in a relationship he needs to feel valued and respected and wanted by his girl for him to provide and protect her and to stay loyal to her and yes sex. Little do most girls realize sex is huge for a man , when a girl constantly says No to her man when he tries to have sex with her , it kills his ego, He feels she doesn’t value him and he
Feels the she doesn’t find him attractive anymore , when she constantly pushes him away he is more prone to accepting it From elsewhere, being drawn to another girl that will make him feel valued and wanted , And yes it’s ok if she says No at times but if she is constantly saying No she is damaging him inside. He will blame her for his actions and feel justified to cheat on her. The girl I cheated on was a girl that used sex as a weapon towards me she made
Me feel like I had to earn it and once in a blue moon she would throw me a bone , it felt like she was just stringing me along when before having sex with her wasn’t a hard task whatso ever When she started saying No to me constantly and criticizing me and making me feel like I was just a convenience to her , another girl that had her eyes set on me started moving in on me , I was drawn to how this other girl was treating me and thought to myself damn my girlfriend is a fucking bitch compared to this girl , this girl makes me feel good about myself , she is nothing but positive and my girlfriend is nothing but negative , I started thinking why
Am I tolerating this abuse from my girlfriend when I have this beautiful girl complimenting me and making me feel better about myself? So I was drawn to it and ended up having amazing sex with with this other girl , even though I felt guilty for what I was doing I felt justified not realizing I was just a selfish piece of shit that cheating wasn’t the answer , No relationship is perfect and we are all imperfect people so my thing now is if I am in a committed relationship and things are bad , I am going
To do my best to fix it and make it work as long as she is willing as well , if I end up cheating or she ends up cheating then just walk away and realize you deserve someone that is going to fight for you like you will fight for them , removing selfishness for each other and sacrificing for each other is what makes love grow , That’s the only way I will be in a committed relationship with someone. If not then it’s just a waste of time I will just stay single and be selfish I am not
Going To pretend that I honestly love someone if I can’t do those things for her , So by me being a piece of shit in my past to me was a learning experience
I can’t speak for all men I can only really speak of my experiences, considering we are all individual people and we all have freewill and experienced our own journey in life , the one thing I can say about all of us , is we are all imperfect people , and we all have our own beliefs and outlooks on things and we all have made good and bad decisions and we all have selfishness in us. Life to me is two sides of a coin , just because I agree with something it doesn’t mean you will agree with me. And that is ok, it doesn’t make you a bad person , I can only base my perceptions off Of things I experienced and witnessed throughout my life. Me personally feels relationships today are harder than they were back then , I blame a lot of it on social media , and technology that we are drawn to and all the useless knowledge we warp our brains into , I look at my parents that were married for over 50 years that were inseparable , when shit went wrong in their relationship they fixed it instead of jumping to someone else to save them , my parents didn’t carry around cell phones and going on social media apps they made each other their priority because times were different then, nowadays people have easy access into each other’s lives with a few clicks from a device that we carry with us at all times People today aren’t as content as they were back then cuz we are drawn to nonsense that we see on our phones , or talking to people from our past that we probably never would of seen or heard from again but all of a sudden they are only a few clicks away. When I go on social media apps all I see is all girl’s cheat all guys cheat blah blah blah , if your partner is doing this they are more than likely cheating on you , we as people are easily drawn to this nonsense , we all have insecurities we all want to be valued and loved and wanted not compared and feel worthless , Social media is a marketing tool to make
Money it’s designed to draw people in , I can go on and on about
Why I feel social media has damaged us and has damaged relationships, and why marriages don’t make it as much anymore , Think about it , Divorce is a money maker keeps the Lawyers in business, Advertisements etc. This whole world is focused on money and power we live in a controlled society our government is the biggest joke their is , let’s legalize marijuana so we can control the people more when they are high they won’t give 2 shits the Marijuana industry is making a killing all of a sudden marijuana has health benefits it stops anxiety and stress etc. Again I can go on and on but the one thing I believe in is love , finding someone that will stand by me like I stand by them , someone that will sacrifice for me like I sacrifice for them , Without that we really don’t have nothing on this planet , I don’t need a girl to stand by me , I am capable of supporting myself but I want a girl to stand by me cuz she wants to be loved the same way I love her , we as people can only give what we receive , we can’t force someone to love us we can only fight for them to stand by us , removing selfishness and sacrificing for each other is the only way love will grow , if you can’t remove selfishness for someone then they can’t remove selfishness for you
Because men see everything as a conquest, and giving good sex to women is a conquest.
A man wants to see the woman he fucks lose her mind over how good he is at fucking.
However if he gets cucked, he takes it as, that his woman is publicly declaring to others that he is not good at bed, and therefore it makes him feel very ashamed and emasculated.
Women on the other hand have a bias about men that "MEN" are sexual creatures and they like to fuck around because that makes them feel like such an alpha male... So they take it more as "his dick couldn't resist"... they still get upset but blame it on physiology.
A woman will be more baffled if her man is "Emotionally" withdrawn from her because she is supposed to be this nice and comforting lover to her man.
For Whore men yes that’s a conquest , But for a guy with morals that actually values and loves his girl he wants to make sure she gets off before he does , He won’t be satisfied unless she is. But it’s interesting that you mentioned this cuz I dated girls that told me if I cheated on them just make sure I didn’t fall in love with them , which to me was a fucked up thing to say , so basically she is saying she is fucking other guys as well is how I took it , which was a huge turn off to me Or girls that say oh it’s just sex like it doesn’t mean anything , to me those girls are just straight up whores or they are using it as a manipulative tactic who knows but that’s why those girls aren’t in my life anymore , No guy wants a girl he gives his heart to to be pounded by some other guy , if he does than he is a twisted individual and if a girl is ok with me banging other girls as long as I don’t fall in love , she is a twisted individual as well , I don’t commit to be single bottom line , if a girl can’t be faithful to me then I sure as hell can’t be faithful to her bottom line
@Finchie40
i don't think you're aware of what the average modern young man is like. Modern young guys hookup and sleep around. Modern young guys do not care about a woman getting off before he does. In fact most modern guys dont even like to do foreplay. They see foreplay as a hassle. The old times where a woman's sexual satisfaction / pleasure comes first is long gone. The old days where it was frowned upon to sleep around has drastically faded. Most modern young people have hooked up in one way or the other. YOu see this in urban areas a lot
Sadly I been starting to see it and just have to say this world has gone to hell in a hand basket because the shit that has been going on and they way people think today is just beyond selfishness , social media I feel played a big factor on how people look at each other today and it’s just sad , Everyone is a cheater and everyone is selfish and thinks grass is greener on the other side to the point of love really exists
When i was young and naive, it was easier to forgive because you always thought with your emotions/heart rather than with logic/brain. As i got older, i never forget and only forgive enough to find peace/closure and remain cordial. I would only take back a cheater if i didn't have options or had a low self esteem. My esteem is not high but its high enough to know i have options and that there are too many fish in the sea to go back to a cheater
1. On average, men tend to make more money than women. A woman leaving her husband may have a lot of financial consequences for her when she has to raise her kids all on her own. Yes, its usually always the mother who ends up with the kids: working full time and raising the kids.
2. Men tend to cheat out due to sexual reasons while women tend to cheat for emotional reasons. Women tend to figure this out. Its not as bad if your partner cheated for sex compared to cheating because she loves someone else.
3. Women tend to be more tolerant by nature compared to men.
Because at a certain point in their life women are dependent on men. They invested a lot of time into the relationship, maybe they have a child together. And in general women are less confrontational and prefer to have peace and keep the life they build. They care about stability and it's not like a man can get pregnant and have her unknowingly raise his child as her own. Also, men tend to have more self respect than women. That's why it baffles me that some men think it's women who have control over dating... it might be that women are more selective but they have to be because if they chose the wrong person it's a lot harder for them to walk away from the consequences.
There is this thing called the pareto principle in dating where 90 % of the women are sexually interested in the same 10 % of men, this has been proven from the swipe patterns of women on dating sites where anonymity is guaranteed. So the same 10% of guys are with several women, often simultaneously and can cheat because they are not too concerned about being single. So statistically the perception is that men cheat more than women, but it's actually the elite men who have the options and exercise them.
It does seem that way but I don't tolerate cheating I don't cheat and expect the same. I'm not going to stay with someone who's fucking other people behind my back. I don't know who this field have slept with and I don't know if he used a condom so it's not worth it for me to stay
So I did a little bit of looking into like statistics
I don't know if this is related or not but I'm just bringing it out here cuz I feel like it could be useful too finding the real answer
A study says that 20% of men cheat and 13% of women cheat but that the Gap is closing because women are slowly starting to cheat more not cheat more than men but just cheat more in general
I found this information on fatherly. com and a few other websites they said the same thing but their source for the statistic is the 2018 general social survey
Do with this information as you wish it may or may not help with the topic and you can do as you push just please don't harass me about it because I'm not up to that
It's estimated that anywhere from 60% to 80% of ALL divorces in the US are started by the wives. Don't think women are all that much more forgiving! PEOPLE that cheat are a subhuman POS not worth continuing a relationship with. In my circle of friends, I know roughly 30 people that I call really good friends. About 20 of them are females that kicked their cheating POS husband out on his ass! Some have remarried and some are single now.
@Enigma07 I know this statement is not going to be popular. Based on direct observations of hundreds of attempts at reconciliation, most don't last much past 3 years. Infidelity is a mortal blow regardless if it is a man or woman doing it. A relationship NEVER goes back to what it was. What happens though is what looks like a successful reconciliation. A deeper look shows they become roommates OR the relationship was not all that great to start with. It's not about forgiving a cheater. It's about trusting them again. I spoke to a guy several months ago who finally threw in the towel. His wife got off work at 6 PM, if she was not at home by 6:45 PM his heart stopped. Finally, he could not put up with the stress and moved out. It's really sad, but two people should NEVER live together like that just for the kids. Kids have an uncanny knack for seeing through that BS. Better for them to live in separate homes then be exposed to this BS.
I have no idea, maybe women can answer why they are more willing to stay.
I caught my 1st wife with the landlord.
I left, I had no desire to stay.
I had an ex girlfriend that was cheating and I left that relationship.
My wife caught her ex cheating and left him.
For me it's a matter of trust, once that is gone, so am I.
Life is too short to put up with someone you don't trust.
Listen the fact that you're asking this question is not a good sign. Let me break this down to you. It is harder for guys to cheat than women so typically the caliber of man able to cheat is one that all women want. What goes through a womens head is where can I find another man like this to replace this one and the answer is usually nowhere. A woman cheating is easy and doesn't take much effort so most people loose respect for woman who take advantage of that privilege. Think about it everytime your woman left the house you would know that she could bang anyone she wants at any time, why would man keep that around?
Cuz Girls are good at keeping secrets as well , Through my experiences and things I have witnessed from a majority of Girls is they are very good at keeping things secret , Girl’s night out tends to be crazier than Guys night out , I witnessed more Girl’s cheating then men when I worked as a bouncer at a nightclub so my thinking is a girl that gives a cheating partner another Chance is a girl that has already cheated or plans on cheating once she realizes that she can’t get over the fact that her man cheated on her , why it’s best for people just to part ways once cheating has took place because 2 wrongs don’t make a right
@Finchie40 Sounds like we're discussing two different things. You originally asked why are girls more forgiving than guys and I explained why. I'm not sure what the 1st part of your statement has to do w/ that. As for your second part I worked in the nightlife industry in LV for years and currently have a small steak in a strip club. Unless you're working in some small podunk town where everyone knows everyone, how would you know whose "cheating" simply he being a bouncer? You're theory about why girls forgive is an interesting one, I'm just not sure if the bouncer experience would be the validation.
@Finchie40 So it is a Podunk town. If they know their person is at that one specific nightclub, there's probably not many clubs around. Also you said "her" are we talking 1 girl only?
@Finchie40 Lol, sounds like some small town b. s. I don't think that's representative of the real world.
For most of history men have had more to lose from a woman cheating than a woman has from a man cheating in a species of monogamy.
Its only relatively recently however that either side had mitigating technologies and institutions such as DNA tests and enforced Martial claims.
in general when a woman cheats, a man could end up supporting anther man's child, and for most of history this was regarded as a crime against the man by the other man, not merely a crime of the woman.
When a man cheats the woman is risking a share of his resources going to support the other woman's child. This of course was fixed in most cultures by Marital institutions which simply de-legitimized the other child, protecting the married partner's claim.
I think it's one of two reasons. Either she doesn't have confidence/respect for herself or she doesn't see it as a big deal.
Some women can see that a man cheating (while still totally disgusting and wrong) is very different than a woman cheating (generally)
Men don't need or look for an emotional connection when having sex. Most guys who have sex with lots of women have developed the skill of pretty much faking a connection with women.
Generally speaking, when a woman has sex with someone, they have some kind of emotional attachment to that person. It's a requirement for many women to even get aroused.
But guys don't even really understand this concept. It's almost foreign to us. We just see a women with a nice body and our biology handles the rest. Love and attachment comes after.
There are some women who are less bothered by the man cheating because she knows her relationship with the man is not threatened by it.
That should be obvious because no man has ever convinced his partner that a baby he had with another woman is her baby. However, women do that all the time. Having sex is insignificant compared to spending a quarter of million dollars raising another man's child.
Simple: financial dependence. When a woman has a great career and can stand on her own, she doesn't tolerate nearly as much bullshit as she would if she has a dead-end job and can't make ends meet. They'll use a ton of rationalisations and excuses, but that's what it boils down to if you ask them enough questions.
Guys have much more to lose from being with a cheating girl AKA slut.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MamasBabyPapasMaybe
Yeah, I disagree with this. Cheaters are awful, regardless of the gender, but at least when guys do it, they know they f*cked up, while women tend to make excuses and blame the man when women cheat on their partners. Girls definitely don't seem more forgiving, to me.
Don't know, it's not like women don't know there's likely to be many guys who would love to date them and be loyal. Then again, they are likely to be less attractive or be seen as boring because, as I said, they are going to be loyal, so no danger or risk involved, just everything they say they want in a relationship with none of the additional work, which is somehow unattractive.
women are more evil
you know that right
read the bible
Ecclesiastes 7:28
while I was still searching
but not finding—
I found one upright man among a thousand,
but not one upright WOMAN among them all.

there is a reason less women make it above the dome
Isaiah 3:16
The women of Zion are haughty, walking along with outstretched necks, flirting with their eyes, strutting along with swaying hips, with ornaments jingling on their ankles.
THERE IS NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN
Using a bible to make a point or justify an argument.
Is as meaningful as using 💩 as a foundation when building a house.😗
... you seem to lack the understanding that the men who have sex eith these women also don't make it above the dome 🙃.. I taught you something today. You can pay me.
@LovingLoverReturned
yes the men and women can be forgiven
but they don't want the free gift
so they are screwed
@cookiecrusher
and stop talking atheist you sound stupid
I never understood this as well, if that person actually did cheated on me she messed up I can't do second chances the same way if I done the cheating I kinda hope the girl has backbone to not take me back I messed up badly.
I've been caught cheating several times and it only made them want me MORE. They even started doing shit in the sack that they didn't do before I cheated. Especially when they saw that the chic I cheated on them with was hotter than them. Deep down, women want what other women want/have.
Easy. Modern women pursue the top 5%-10% of men (who have tons of options), and women would rather share a giga-chad than have a regular good man all to themselves.
Men are much more realistic about the women they pursue and as such they have no reason to forgive a woman who cheats.
It depends on the age, how long the relationship/marriage is etc. Imagine you find out that your husband cheated on you after you waste 20 years of your for him. It depends on the culture too. Cheating is not a reason to divorce in Asian/middleeastern culture (?) except the women was the cheater
I personally would not understand why a woman under 35 in a western country forgive cheating except she cheats too
Cuz women think they can change him. "He'll change for my love." NO HE WON'T!!! Once a cheater ALWAYS a cheater. people don't change!!!
It really depends on the nature of the cheating. Guys tend to get much more worked up if their girls have sex with other dudes. Girls tend to get much more worked up if their guys form an emotional bond with another woman.
I didn't give the second chance if they cheated on me. They will cheat again
Because women tend have more available to them, the man will see that the first act of cheating and she could just walk. Hard to describe perhaps, but there's less of a chance for man in the scenario and its a bit of a power play on his partners side because she knows she's got him by the balls (figuratively speaking).
Guys are smarter. Seriously this isn't a slight against women. Women get too emotionally involved. I mean it's a GOOD thing for the success of relationships. The problem is when it's an unsuccessful one the women are stunted here as they are too attached to just abandon ship.
Yes. Because girls aren’t as bothered by their partner having sex with other people. They’re bothered by feelings for others that they don’t permit their guy to have. Women are more bothered by feelings for others and men’s team are more bothered by other sex with other men.
Is this true? I feel like men are more forgiving of their woman cheating because they don't want to give up the pussy and are afraid of having to go on the hunt again.
I think it's the other way around. Husband cheating is often a reason for divorce, while some guys would like to see their gal with another guy... that's what an MMF threesome is all about.
Girls like guys who can sleep around with multiple girls, it means they are highly desirable and way above average guys. For those guys, they have a huge competition to secure them. I know some girls that forgive their boyfriends as those guys are attractive and to them, it's better to stay with those guys than ugly good guys.
Meanwhile I'm trying to drag a guy out of an abusive relationship. When it comes to love, he's a fool.
Because guys who forgive their wife girlfriends see as something that i do not want to describe that is why they do not want to be seen like that. But if someone does not know that He has been cheated they can forgive easily too. I know many of them.
If a guy cheats, that says he's a high value guy who has options.
If a girl cheats, that says she's unfaithful and he might end up raising the neighbor's kid. Any girl can have 100 partners a year easy, no accomplishment.
Who says your premise is right?
I wouldn't say women forgive more so I'd guess your entire premise is off.
Simple. It’s a symptom of “male privilege”, conditioning done to women, and society
Not really, its more about the relative consequences. A woman knows for certain whom her children are, its only until very recently that a man had to trust the woman.
Thus when a woman is unfaithful a man was risking effectively being tricked into spending his life time and resources supporting anther man's child rather than his own.
A woman by contrast is really only risking a share of her husband's time and resources for her children. A problem that can be fixed with institutions like marriage, guaranteeing her children exclusive claim.
@monorprise Women were property. Men were the cheaters: they made all the rules, set the standards of life, genderlized traits, etc. Women followed their lead because they had no choice. Yes what you said is true, the only way to know if a child was his was to trust the woman but it was only set up that way so women will stay as housewives and baby making machines. If women had rights to own property, their bodies, work, was paid their equal fair for equal work, etc I highly doubt those women would have needed to lie to men so he’ll take care of her and the child she produced
Men made it this way
@_pinkme We must be careful how you define needs.
You are correct Men did dominate for most of human history in most civilizations on the account of being stronger and more aggressive, this power overtime force men to be selected naturally on the quality of their choices and judgement likewise.
Which is partially why men are generally better at controlling their emotions and favor logical reasoning advantageous to technical fields whereas women tend to be more emotional favoring human facing fields and getting them into trouble often.
The other is the nature of the female role in childcare as dictated by the necessity of biology in the maintaining of their personal family line, the broader culture, and even the species as a whole.
That the first 2 are dying off rabidly among such women, with the 3rd soon to follow as a direct result of the unprecedented freedom to choose the modern female brain has been exposed to around the world is no coincident.
As it happens the current female brain is a bit too much like the male brain in very easily being drawn to catastrophically bad choices to meet their real needs, as define by biology whose demands nobody escapes.
Nor should it be any shock what will be the pre-dispostions of the surviving women and cultures. As they will look very much like the cultures and women who are still having kids despite such freedom.
@monorprise Men are not better at controlling their emotions. Society, as sexist as it is has helped in that department, just as society has ‘helped’ women by teaching women to be agreeable and emotional. Naturally, expressing emotions or being sensitive isn’t a genderlized trait, it depends on the person (female or male)
There is no modern female brain. There’s just personality and freedom. When a person control their own life, it makes them themselves instead of being controlled. Of course there are many people who refuse to be controlled even if they don’t have the freedom. And if you look into all the things women were doing during women’s suffrage movement and even before than, women took freedom into their own hands
Again, It isn’t that female brains are like male brains, it’s that we’re all different. The issue is that most men can’t look beyond what men brainwashed the world into believing, in generalized traits. They aren’t real. Yes we have biology but I don’t see what that has to do with what females do vs what males do
No. Brainwashed conditioned women will forever exist regardless. THOSE are the women who will be exactly as the culture that were created by sexist man. There are three types of women: the anti women ones, the scared complicit ones, and the ones who will fight like hell for their freedom and all three of those types of women naturally have that personality
By that logic, Pink, men were property too. Bear in mind, in the Old Testament, the potential penalty for adultery was death for both men and women.
It's called hyperbole but the fact is men went off to die while women stayed in the comfort of the homeland. And this theme plays out time and time again since before recorded history
Men die to protect women and children and take on the burden of having to feed them, protect them, etc
It's not so "privileged" a position. And then you have divorce and alimony which usually side with women.
@bamesjond0069 cause and effect. It isn’t easy to rid oneself from centuries of standards that have been set. You should know this considering double standards and traditions based on (pretty much everything) is still a modern thing today. It’s still taught in household too. Like for example, women as baby makers, cleaning, and cooking for their husbands. It’s seen as wifey duties, being ladylike, and overall a woman. Generations after generations pass this tradition down to their families. It’s this way with pretty much everything in life. So women aren’t really choosing this lifestyle, it’s just taught to us and if we stay brainwashed and don’t educate ourselves, we will pass that mentality down to our children. It’s a cycle that will continue to happen over and over again unless it’s broken. It will never be broken though: however, many will break free and think for themselves
@ObscuredBeyond Yes, men were property; however, men received the better end of the stick compared to women. Both is bad of course but men were taught to be strong, were able to work, make money, own property, have multiple sex partners and it was deemed ok, etc.
Ahh I didn’t know men were killed for committing adultery. I’m Atheist so I don’t know much about the Bible but i never heard anything like that. I did hear of young girls and women forced to marry old men, old men who weren’t virgins yet wanted virgin wives, they can accuse her of committing adultery for any reason and she’ll be killed (in horrific ways)
@KrakenAttackin not my fault you don’t take facts seriously
@t-8900 That is a horrible argument. You also forgot to mention that women were FORCED to stay home by men.
That burden you speak of was created by the sexist ideals men created and forced on society when they pretended women’s jobs were to JUST be baby makers, housewives, and a maid. So this issue you speak of is because of men not women. Women fought hard (even after centuries of mistreatment by men) to be treated with respect, have a job, own property, to vote, to exist for ourselves not just man’s pleasure, to not be raped and abused, etc.
Clearly you are very ignorant to the history of Sparta, Rome, and Egypt as well as various Germanic and Celtic tribes and the Sarmatians. News flash: there are things women cannot do better than men, period. Women will never be as effective in combat roles as men. You can have a few outliers but they have always been the exception, not the rule. You think women could hold their own in a hoplite or testudo formation against their male counterparts? You're very much naive. And what's more it's men who made women more free. Men invented contraceptives, women's hygiene and health products. Without those you'd be dead in the water. A army can't stop in the desert heat because half their armies are currently on the rag and debilitated in pain and agony. Also the human race could not continue if the women got killed. Men are easy to replace for society, not women. Women died often in childbirth so they needed replacements if they died in labor. If a tribe has 100 men and 1 woman it's doomed. If it has 100 women and one man it can continue and thrive, allowing male migration in over time if possible or women conceiving children outside of their own generation. But the tribe would live on, so long as. a warlike tribe was not also in the area.
I will also point out that female military leaders historically led to disasters. We've had matriarchies in the past. Cleopatra led her people to their doom, as did Boudica, as did the women of Sparta. How did men get power over women in the first place of they're so equal in physical prowess by the way?
@t-8900 Saying that women could’ve been effective is not saying that they are physically as strong or equal to the strength of men. This isn’t even about fighting, it’s about the fact that women had to fight for their rights regarding everything, including being able to join the military. More things women had to fight for: birth control, condoms, owning property, working, education, bodily autonomy, respect, etc. Many of these things have to do with security that would really make up a person. Without security there’s no confidence or will to live, you’re basically a slave to society
But the point is I guess maybe some women suck at being a soldier or in the military but the basic thing is, Women should’ve had the right to join and push them selves just like any man who pushed him selves to be a soldier, fight, and die like one
@bamesjond0069 no. Even when trying to help women or fight for women’s rights there will always be women who are confident in their stance to be housewives or something so simple like believing women shouldn’t have the right to use birth control or be in leadership roles. What men have made of the world is deeply ingrained, it will never go away.
But remember There will always (mostly) be three types of women: anti women or Republican women, complicit to sexism type of women, and advocates or Democratic women
@bamesjond0069 Also it’s not really freedom. Coercion is a thing
Yes the are being coerced. This is why we need laws to force women to not continue to support the patriarchy. It sounds like you already accept defeat. If you truly want to solve the problem we need to compel women to follow a certain path since women dont know whats best for them.
How is a moral wrong, like fornication, a civil right, Pinkme? How can it be a right? It is destructive.
Oh honey, to say you are damaged goods is an understatement. If you arrived in the mail I would file a claim for complete replacement.
@KrakenAttackin : Her exact form of feminism is beyond the basics . Hers is delusional. She also believes every cliche, and every talking non-point lie and half-truth victim mentality virtue signal claim in the freaking book. Total indoctination.
To her credit, she's not some doxxing, screeching, bloodthirsty misandrist with a posse, ready to demand we all either kowtow to her beliefs, or else she'll tell her posse that we're rapists, and then sic the posse on us. Because I've dealt with that level of batshit more than once from other women. Those types don't just delusionally believe men are all bad or have victimized them; they'll literally see, hear, and read words you never wrote or spoke, and try to use what never happened as grounds for "vengeance"! These types also slit the throat of any woman who takes a man's side, to suppress debate in a mad show of power. Demonic to the core. They only want everyone who doesn't "think" exactly like them to suffer.
We should be thankful Pinkme isn't in that category. It tells me she can still come around. Those others? No hope. A missile launched at their homes would be a legitimate form of preservation of our species ! If nothing else, the demons inside them could be sent back to the Abyss in a blaze of glory!
@ObscuredBeyond She has no clue how easy her life is due to the every day sacrifices of men.
@KrakenAttackin : That's true. I'd love to see her join the Grand Ledge Meijer receiving team, and see how long she lasts doing what men have to do to keep the world functioning. It's not even close to the hardest job in the world either, but I remember how hard it has always been for that crew to convince women to stick around. What I had to do there to keep the place going, left me with an ever-expanding hernia that now requires surgery, as I can't even safely work at a gas station anymore without making it worse! If she tried doing half the work I've done, she'd probably be begging for death.
@_pinkme basic human rights weren't even a concept for most of human history #1, so that's pretty much irrelevant. #2 society and tribes crumble if women didn't have kids. Men are easily replaced so them having more freedom doesn't hurt society because birthrates will remain relatively stable so long as women are still having kids. #3 fairness is an alien concept to reality, which has taught us nothing in life is or was supposed to be fair. Fairness is what 5 year old children complain about and throw tantrums over when they don't get the toy they wanted. Women didn't fight for birth control it was invented by men and freely given going back to antiquity. Bodily autonomy is not something men have either. It's illegal for us to take certain substances, drive without a seatbelt, or helmet. Nobody has full bodily autonomy. You call yourself a slave but you have no idea how slaves lived. Women have been trained and recorded and consistently sick ass at the PT meaning they can't make minimum qualifications for foot soldering.
@ObscuredBeyond Very true.
@bamesjond0069 If you want the current generation of women and cultures to thrive you either have to do that, or you have to sway women to act like women and not men.
Neither men nor women can act like the other and be as successful, their physical and medial reality simply is not evolved for that.
Both need to be taught how to work with their nature rather than continue down the disastrous path present pushed in school and culture pretending that reality does not exist.
A male hero to aspire to is like Rambo, a Female hero is like Bella.
The achievements of both are remarkable in their own right and just as important in the long run.
@bamesjond0069 that’s the thing with brainwashing people. Forcing people to do what you believe to be right for them still isn’t right either. It’ll still be brainwashing even with good intentions. It’s their life and if they learn on their own, great but if not, too bad. It sucks but that’s life’s. What’s been done is done
@KrakenAttackin Pretty sure you’re confusing me with people who actually cares what the like of you think lol
Uh, yeah it is. Not only is that not your spouse, so automatically not a pure and right move, but vetting should be done to a minimal degree if you're going there anyway. Yes, they can always lie and stage coverups. But to not even attempt to do the most basic background check to ensure someone is who they claim to be, to throw diligence out the window entirely, for the thrill of a few minutes of wet and hot passion, is beyond irresponsible. At least attempt to verify their singleness first, if nothing else!
"I'm in the moment, I'll worry about it later" on that subject is even worse than taking zero precaution to prevent pregnancy! At least if they're single before getting with you, there's a chance to marry and raise the child together and make things right. But if you throw all caution to the wind and become accomplice to a knowing cheater? The victim doesn't care if you knew or not. Consequences for them are the same.
Because a b! chh can get pregnant and make your raise their brat. The brat of another man.
Is happening now more than ever.
because a man can still impregnate her even if he cheats. whereas a woman giving birth to a child that isn't his still takes resources from his family.
so it literally isn't as big a deal technically speaking
Men tend to manipulate their partners, beg for forgiveness "it'll never happen again" maybe they'll cry, women are easily trusting of people they are close with.
a lot if women are tied to a man economically and rather forgive anything to not lose that
Because women are primarily with men for security. Men are primarily with women for sexual fidelity. So if a man cheats its meh but if a girl cheats then the whole reason for being with her is gone basically.
Due to basic biology. A woman can only have one man's baby per year while a man can impregnate a thousand women per year.
Bc society tells the women they did something for the man to cheat
In my opinion, the girl will understand because they know how it is. Most likely if a women forgive a man really easy is because she already did it. There are some girls that want his partner to cheat so they don't feel bad.
Because girls are good hearted and guys feel like girls have hurt their ego
Because they forgive themselves a lot for not becoming a bad person.
But that forgiveness shatters when she chooses to be bold.
Guys are more intelligent and girls have sampler brains I mean smaller. brains. Could not be bothered to edit that
I reckon when it comes to cheating Society has nothing to do with, It's about the Individual who Cheats and their Relationship.
Same reason why it seem like Guys are more forgiving to their women that cheat then Girls are to their Guys that cheat.
God's design... a girl can produce 1 baby once a year... Guys can fertilize a different girl every Night
I couldn't honestly answer that question mainly because I have not ever cheated on any girl I have ever been with nor will I ever.
Because a girl isn't going to be unknowingly fooled into raising another woman's child.
Because women are more gullible and weaker. They don't have the courage to punish those who cheat on them. Men have the courage and drive to make sure that the cheater will not go unpunished...
Probably because men can't trick women into raising a kid he got while cheating like women can 👍
Girls have to allow someone inside them. Simple biology.
Guys cheat for sex so I feel like women blame themselves
I don't know, I would be very unforgiving.
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