Does a woman’s age lessen or broaden her options in life and love? Ladies, what do you think of men who look at ageism as a bad thing?

[Pinay_ako]

A woman at her 40s should settle for what is thrown at her… A woman in her 20s has a lot of options. What kind of thinking is that? Men, what do you think? No mean answers please. Thanks

[RJJ33666]

Well, as a woman's age increases their options do lessen and its not exactly a bad thing because as many know women reach maturity much earlier and this maturity helps them to carve way to better options. Having proper maturity may lessen down the options but it also narrows things down to better and rational possibilities in the woman's life. Even the matter of love, women can be picky about it. In the matter of sex and love, older women know what they want and need which makes it difficult but ultimately satisfying when they do find someone.
And as it comes to men looking at ageism as the wrong thing, a lot of men out there actually prefer a little older women than you would expect. I mean of course their are those people who always want to go for the 25 year old hot yoga teacher types, but those are just for self esteem boosts and hot sex, but in the end all men really want some affection and love. I am not saying younger women can't provide that, but men know that older women have more experience in that factor and hence older women are better for a long term romantic relationship.

[Wonderwhat]

I believe it lessens her options. I believe that mother nature made men sexually attracted to youth and beauty because of fertility. I think men are more likely to get sexually aroused to young fertile women to ensure the survival of the human species and reproduce and give birth to healthy children. The older she is the less likely a man gets aroused by her (unless it is a fetish thing) because the older she is the more likely the child will be born with birth defects.

I am not ageist or anything I just believe this is what male sexual attraction is. Of there is more to a woman than just her looks and age. Only picking a woman because of her looks is shallow.

[Seinna]

Depends purely on what you want from life. If it's just companionship then you'll find it at any age if you're relatively attractive which often just boils down to taking care of yourself and not having mental or emotional problems. If you don't want children then age really shouldn't be an issue.

If you want to build a family however, then age is very important for both men and women. I wouldn't be with a 40 year old man and trying to build a family with him and I wouldn't expect from men to want that with me when I'm in my thirties... there is a time for those things and once that time is over it's over.

That's because:

1) fertility dicreases with age, with women it's past 35 and with men past 40 so there's a risk we wouldn't be able to have any children at all. Today, people at 25 have the fertility their grandparents had at 35, read up on the testosterone levels in men.

2) eggs and sperm quality is lower which leads to more miscarriages (genetic problems with the embryo) and even if born, children are more likely to have health problems, genetic, mental and chromosomal issues etc

3) social problems; my parents had me at 39 after my brothers who are 12/13 years older. I never got to experience my parents like they did, they were too tired. I missed out on a quality time with my parents and quess what, I didn't care that they had more money to give to my brother's girlfriend to take me wherever I wanted to go. And now I get to see my parents age really fast and not be able to be there for me for some important milestones. Having a choice, would you want that for your child?

4) after 40 all people start loosing their strength but I think for a woman to be pregnant so late it's even worse, it really takes a toll on their bodies, they start menopause earlier etc so why would you want that for yourself or your partner?

Aging is no joke, we can't cheat nature and time. Yes, it's stupid to discriminate because of age in some circumstances but this is not one of them. Age and health are paramount for building a healthy family.

[shaysh87]

My parents had me at 37 and my brother at 40. My parents complain that they are growing old and their kids are still not grown. Parenting is harder when the parent is older. Not as fun for the child too. Teaching your kid how to ride a bike or swim or run around with them at the park is part of a childhood experience.

[DarkWinterNights]

No nonsense answer. People are too quick to dismiss uncomfortable truths and then are surprised when it happens to them.

[Screenwriter]

Well, based on physicality alone: women's options narrow. Men's tendencies are toward the youngest, fittest BIOLOGICAL exemplars so they can pass along their GENES/DNA.

And. young men are hardly stable creatures, themselves. They're looking at someone's booty, boobies... Not THEIR LONGTERM STABILITY to parent and be a partner.

It only takes about five years to raise a viable human specimen. VIABLE, not emotionally and physically TOPNOTCH human.

Humans have an extremely long latency period. They need a SOLID 10 to 12 years of safety, love and education to do very well for a lifetime.

On the OTHER HAND, older women, in the past, who inherited money from older, dead husbands, were often very good choices for men who were FINANCIALLY unstable, but brought strength and ingenuity to the table when their older husbands might not have been able to. At 40 they could still have a child or two, so they offered the DNA passage, and with money, they could seed an inventive man's business possibilities and that MAN could enhance the widow's status in society!

Today, people are engaging in second and third marriages that improve upon their first, very young failed efforts. Though odds are still against second and third marriages with failure rates of about 70 percent, vs 50 percent, there are the minority of marriages that succeed.

Some of these have to be men choosing older, wise women. These men may likely be ones who have already filled their biological roles of passing along their DNA and have raised successful offspring. There's no need for them to find another young woman to father more children, which in advanced age are a financial AND physical burden to take on if the man isn't well positioned.

If he chooses an elder, wise and financially stable woman, he can close his life out with generativity: Giving to the younger generation: Maybe even. his OWN ADULT OFFSPRING who are fathering and mothering their children, his grandchildren.

This holds true for older women and their roles as grandparents. In addition, there is the community aspect of being an older woman who can support other women's adult or young adult children who have missing or failed parents, for dozens of reasons from physical to mental illnesses to drug addiction and imprisonment to poverty.

So wise men often choose older, wise women. Some of these men are even younger than the women they choose, which offsets the 7-year death difference between men and women.

In general to biological drives mess up everyone's big brains. But thoughtful humans can make more thoughtful choices in the long run.

[Lliam]

Wow. That was great, Screenwriter.

[Screenwriter]

@Lliam You hang around long enough and read a little, you know some shit...

[Lliam]

True. I've also found that to be the case. :-)

[letsbelovin]

Interesting question, and some very interesting answers. I see quite a few answers where it is said that an older man dating a younger woman must mean there is something wrong with the man, either he's egocentric, or is looking for some validation for himself through younger women, is desperate and even cynically labelled predators, or whatever, it's usually argued in the negative.

Yet when a woman dates much younger men they're praised and encouraged and called "cougars". Really? What's the difference?
One is said out of spite, anger and jealousy towards men, even from younger men, and the other is said as a revenge or retribution towards men.

The stupid thing is who gives a rat's razoo about either.

That leads me to the question, it's never that simple, as some have already alluded to in this post, there's many variables at play why some prefer to be with someone closer to their age or someone with a significant age gap. Of course there will be those who are looking for validation by dating someone younger, usually because of their own insecurities, that doesn't make them bad people. And by the same token, it doesn't make the younger person bad either.

Personally speaking, I've dated women who have been younger than me, but still relatively close in age, and a couple of women one or two years older than me. The latter was my recent ex partner, but the break up had nothing to do with age.

Dating the women I did, none of it was intentional regarding their ages, it just happened that way. I suppose it's all about the law of attraction, you will attract into your life whatever you focus on. Not so much the age thing, but what you want in a partner.

Options in life and love are what you make of it, whatever you believe will be true. If you think there's little chance when you're older than that'll be your truth, if you believe their will be opportunities then that will be true too. And what you attract into your own life says a lot more about who you are and your own self-beliefs rather than who the other person may be.

[Lliam]

The only thing that lessens a woman's options in her 40s is 1) the number of men who want children and 2) the number of men who are mature enough to appreciate a woman in her 40s.

What I mean by that second point is, there are men who think women in their 20s are in their physical prime in terms of looks. But that kind of thinking doesn't account for personality, experience, and mental and emotional maturity. Besides, many women in the 40s or older these days are hot af. They know how to care for themselves.

I read that 30s and 40s is the time of life when women's sex drive may be the strongest. One study showed that women between 27 and 45 had more frequent and more intense sexual fantasies than younger or older women. They also had more sex and were more likely to have it sooner in a relationship.

Other than the reasons I listed for lessening women's options, the field is wide open for older women. I mean, they know what to do sexually. Also, due to life experience, they are mature enough to choose a quality partner, meaning someone who is mentally, emotionally and financially stable.

I got into my first relationship when I was 16. I've had several girlfriends in my life and was infatuated with all of them. But I didn't want to settle down, get married, have to be responsible for kids. I also wanted to live life to the fullest and knew that I was too immature to be burdened with responsibility.

It wasn't until my mid-30s that I started to consider the possibility of finding a life partner and settling down. I met my (future) wife when I was 40 and married her two years later. Both of us had lived full lives but we had never been married before. Neither of us "settled". We wound up with exactly what we wanted. We've been happily married now for over 25 years. We've built a great life together and have also had a lot of fun. I love her with all my heart.

So I'd say that there are definite advantages to age, even if the field is more limited. I guess it depends on what a person is looking for.

[Novacane]

Sadly it lessens as much as you would want to push back on that, but dont get me wrong, that doesn't mean she won't have options to find love, of course, she will still have more options than most men (men will always have it hard regardless of their age) but she won't have as many options as she once did. But I think the older you get the more likely you find someone that is actually kind at heart because when you are young you are clouded with all the things that seem important due to social media but once you get older you will realize all that did not matter one bit. I wouldn't say it's Ageism it's more preference, it is equivalent to saying that why does a man with money have more options than a man without money, and why does a taller guy have more options than a shorter man? They all fall under the same realm, so if you want to call that "preference" then sadly age would also be that, a preference, as sad as it may sound. I wish it was different and everyone had an equal chance and sadly that's not how things work. The reason why people say it's different for men is that what women look for in men vs what men look for in women are completely different.

Let me know what you think.

[godfatherfan]

I don't know why you would think they would. I do think the biggest issue for us older people is we get too picky. At 40, this isn't you yet. But those of us that are over 45 or 50 and single, usually we are either divorced or had been in very long term relationships. We forget about the early period of a relationship and how much work it is as far as compromises go. Very few people fit perfectly. The older we get, the more time we have spent being single. Some of us for the first time since we left our parents house. Other then the time in the military, I never lived on my own. I was 25, got married, then I moved in with her. So at 46 I was living on my own for really the first time ( I am 53). Now it has been 8 years since my divorce. I love being able to do what I want, when I want. Eat what I want, when I want. Watch what I want, when I want.
Now I am starting to get lonely more and more and would like someone in my life. But I find myself being way more picky about the women I am seeing online. I haven't even dated in 3 years. I think the woman are WAY worse when it comes to this. We have to remember it takes time to know the other person. Women bail on relationship way too fast. I know, I have done that myself. But overall, I only regret 1 time.

[IronLady6354]

I'm not sure if my experience is unusual, but I'll share it anyways.
I think women can actually be "agist" in the sense that they won't give younger men who are interested in them even a little consideration when it comes to the possibility of a relationship. In fact, my now husband (who is 14 years younger) had to work really hard to convince me to give him any sort of decent chance in terms of a romantic relationship. However, once I did give him a half decent shot I fell in love super quickly (and have always been there).
I think sometimes women limit their options by cutting off the possibility of younger men (not necessarily the other way around). I think younger men are often more interested in older women than many realize. Oftentimes it's the women who aren't giving the younger man a real chance. Moreover, by refusing to consider a younger man a woman is significantly lessening the options she has for love (which may include her best options. I know it did with me)

[TheSpaceGnome]

Most people do not take care of their bodies, so after hitting 30 they start to degrade physically, exceptions do exist, but they are sadly rare.

Also, by the time a person is 40, most of their peers are taken already, so you end up with a lot less options than you had 20 years ago, because most of your prior options are now married to other people.

At some point, every single perfect match might be taken, at that point you would need to settle or stay single. What age that happens at would vary based on starting number of peers, how likely they are to date often, how likely they are to find a match, your interests and hobbies, and how much of an age gap you tolerate.

I like female nerds who are home all the time drawing, gaming, and watching tv, and those types tend to not have great luck finding other people who also are home drawing, gaming, and watching tv. So many of my matches will likely still be single when I'm 40.

But... if you like outgoing outdoorsey people, or people who hit clubs and bars and other "large crowd" type places. Then your matches will dwindle very fast, most will be taken by the time you hit 30.

[backdoorman]

I think the answer to this question comes down to what nature has programmed the sexes to look for and value in each other. For better or worse, nature has programmed men to value youth and beauty in women because those things represent the greatest ability to bear and raise healthy children for a father. Nature has also programmed women to value those things in men, but to a lesser degree because the things that have always made men valuable (and thus desirable) to women are their ability to protect and provide for women and their children. It's true that those genetically programmed instincts are not as important in today's world as they were in the past when the world was a harsher place and survival was dependent on very different things, but that hasn't changed our genetic programming.

It is also important to note that the qualities that make women valuable to men are at their peak when women are in their late teens and 20s, whereas the qualities that make men valuable to women tend to continue increasing with age well beyond age 30. That's because us men tend to mature more slowly than women and we usually don't have our shit together until a little later in life. Our emotional maturity, our careers and our earning ability typically continues to increase, and those things tend to overshadow our waning physical attractiveness to women, so our overall desirability to the opposite sex is not as directly tied to our physical attractiveness as it is for women.

In the end, women have most of the power in the dating game in their late teens and 20s, but much less so after that. I don't mean that to sound harsh to either sex. I think that reality of human nature is equally harsh to both men and women but in different ways and at different stages in their lives.

[JustAnj]

I never understood this concept of aging is bad or aging is ugly or aging means your gonna be single if your in your 40s and up.

I'm sorry but to me thats pretty immature and is based off this idea that everyone wants a family once they are past the age of 30.

Age is not just a number though if your chasing after a young girl and your an older dude and the compatibility is not there because your decades old you are a desperate adult honing for a young girl who needs time to discover who she is and what she wants in life. I see these girls as soul babies because they have not got the chance to grow up and learn life. Reason why it's selfish to have a relationship with someone so young.

But logically people do not think about life like this they see it with a perspective of "what you got to give me for me" over "Who will be my partner that can be my team player with a opinion of thier own and with tools for both of our lives to be peaceful?"

Growing is beautiful not just in men but in women too. I wished everyone could see that. Time will only tell. ❤️

To much getting caught up in the social lie orlver the community love.

So does it lessen your chances, no, why? Most men might be married or taken already, some have the belief they will never find love now, others simply wait and others assume they are taken. Why? This constant stigma that's why. So no you might have less bachelors but you do not have less options due to age. 💋

Have a blessed life everyone. 🙋😘

[nitsuj86]

Might sound bad on paper, but in general, it is true.

I'm 35, I'm dating someone now, but I have dated quite a bit in the past. My current girlfriend is 28, and that is for a variety of reasons.

Most of the women my age have children. I don't want to take care of another man's child. I want my own family.

Even if she didn't have kids, a 35-year-old woman would have a much harder time giving me multiple children safely. And to be crude, it would probably destroy her body and my wallet in the process. Ladies talk about IVF, but that is like 10k just to try, you don't get that money back if it doesn't work.

Along with that, 35+ women have a lot more "expectations" of what a man should be doing for them. They have dated a lot more men, a lot of which have screwed them over and imprinted this warped view of what type of man I am when they see me. Younger women have less of this. They are just more pleasant to be around.

I also find that it's appreciated more by younger women. If I make good money and do nice things for her, she views me as a good man, whereas an older woman might just see it as me doing what I'm supposed to do, nothing special.

[nitsuj86]

I will say, the type of woman to ask this question, is usually the 35+ woman that I was describing. She decided to not chase marriage/children until she is older, now sees there are less options and guys are going for younger women and is bitter about it. Not a pleasant person to be around usually.

You getting mad about it won't change how men act. All you can do is work with what you got. If you are pleasant to be around and do nice things for your man. There will always be someone for you. If you decide to be bitter and hateful, you will continue to be alone, not matter how hot you are.

But even as I get older, I have less options. At some point you just have to choose one and be happy with it. Even if it's not the person you THINK you deserve.

[Pinay_ako]

Lmao. You assume I am not married with kids? You don’t know anything

[nitsuj86]

I didn't assume anything. I just said the woman that USUALLY has an issue with this is older, single/divorced. If you are married with children, then why do you care what single men want?

[Pinay_ako]

I didn’t care about what single men want. Someone (a man) told me I’m 40 I should just accept what I can get. Lmao. Like I was asking for people to date me. I wasn’t and I am not.

[nitsuj86]

Well again. If you are married with kids, then why do you care what some random man said to you? Maybe he didn't say it in a nice way, but he was telling the truth. Men like younger women, even older men.

If you are happy with your husband and your life, how did the subject even come up? Why do you care if you can still get men at your age?

You already "accepted what you could get" when you got married.

So when you get upset about it. It seems like maybe you would like to be out there again. Or maybe you "just want the option" to if you choose. But I think you should be more concerned with your husband, children, and life with them than a life without them. Then something someone here or on the street said to you.

If a woman told me that 18-year-old girls don't want to fuck me now that I'm 35, I would just laugh and say "yeah, so what?" I'm not trying to get 18-year-olds anyway, so why do I care if they like me or not? You're not 20 with no kids anymore, of course, you are going to have fewer options at 40 with kid (s). Men do to.

[Pinay_ako]

I just don’t agree with it, that’s all. But we don’t have to be mad at each other just because we disagree.

[nitsuj86]

Of course. No anger here. Just trying to answer honestly.

It's something I see women get upset about a lot, and I get it. But the thing is, there are things that women like that I don't agree with either. It is just the reality of things. Sometimes you just have to accept the things that you can't control. No one is going to change the minds of men, and why should they. People want what they want.

A lot of women won't date a man shorter or even the same height as them. They have to be able to wear heels and still be shorter, that's not really fair to short guys, but we all know it's a thing. I've heard plenty complain about it, I give them the same speech. Are women going to start dating shorter men because short men don't like it? No. Would it be right to get mad at them for it? No. It's just the way things are, they have to accept it or find someone that doesn't care.

We all just need to understand each other a bit more. Not just the nice shit people say in public and social media.

[shaysh87]

@Pinay_ako

if you wanted a child, you should've just had a child before your child bearing years are over. There are plenty of single women who have kids on their own nowadays. Its not unheard of or uncommon. With modern technology such as IVF, you can even have kids after 40 but that is only if you could afford it.

[HighValue]

Biologically, if someone wants healthy kids, the woman should have all of her kids before she turns 35. That means if someone wanted 3 kids, wanted her to take one year off in between each kid to fully recover, and he also wanted to date for one year, then live together for one year to make sure the relationship was likely to last long term, she would need to be no older than 28 when they begin dating if they wanted 3 healthy kids.
The chances of getting pregnant and having a healthy kid after 35 decrease significantly for women. Regardless of people's feelings or wishful thinking, biological reality matters. That is assuming she didn't have a past of drug use too because she already had her eggs, so even if she used drugs in her teens and stopped for 10 years, you could still get one of the damaged eggs and have a kid with disabilities.
Learning disabilities are becoming more common and it is usually from women that had kids when they were older, or the ones that have a history of drug use or heavy alcohol use.
I have seen it for years while working in schools.

Men's chances of having healthy kids decreases with age too, but that is after age 55 for men, and it has a gradual decrease, not a sharp decrease like women do. Also, men that have a history of continual drug use do contribute to their kids having disabilities. Those disabilities tend to be more physical such as early eye problems, even when the child isn't even school age yet, and asthma at an early age without environmental influence.

So the point of this is that if someone wants healthy kids:
1. Don't be with a woman past 30 to begin a new relationship.
2. Don't be with a woman OR man that has a history of recreational drug use or heavy alcohol consumption.
Yes, that means women that want healthy kids should also avoid the party type of guys that use drugs or drink a lot.

[HoneyButterCup525]

I'm a 30 year old virgin woman who doesn't want kids... Just saying..

[HighValue]

@HoneyButterCup525 Then you have nothing to be concerned about if you don't want kids.

[HoneyButterCup525]

Well that's great to know :)

[Djaay]

HoneyButterCup525... Why did you even interject with a comment? Like what are you really implimenting or insinuating?

[HoneyButterCup525]

@Djaay I don't know I guess I wanted to know if I'm okay of my situation about relationships and not wanting kids and also wanted to imply my situation which is the opposite of others and see what they say. It seems people who want kids and are aging seems to be going through a tough process of wanting kids and not finding the right person to have them and time is going by. But as for me I find older men who are 40+ and they want kids and I find guys my age but they are emotional and they cry and say I'm not affectionate and leave me so like I don't know what to do these days..

[Seinna]

Unfortunately that age for men is 40, not 55. After 40 sperm quality deteriorates dramatically and increases the likelihood of genetic problems in children.

Also, it's not just a medical problem but also social, maybe to a higher degree because you can still have a healthy child at a later age. But who would want that for their child anyways? Even having your child at 40 means you likely won't live to see your grandchildren. You'll have little energy to care for them when they're young and need you the most. I know that because I'm a late child (parents had me at 39) and I missed out compared to my much older brothers. 40 years of age is really not the time to be deciding on children, if you can even get them.

So I'd say for women try to have all the children you want before you turn 35 and for a man, before you turn 40. And that's at the latest.

[Djaay]

Well i have twelve children , 10 from my first wife who trajectly passed and two from my second younger wife of 6 years.. Thats the life i and both of my wifes wanted. I guess you must have to have a burning desire for procreation and a meek sense of family. My uncle has 13 kids and my other cousin has 10 of his own all from the same mother.. All the others have nothing less than 4 . I come from a huge Samoan family and our culture is different than the USA. So i dont know really what to tell you other than find the fire inside you and make it happen.

[HighValue]

@Seinna 40 and not 55 for men? So you are saying my biology textbook is wrong? My biology teachers were wrong? And I am wrong too even though I passed the CA state educator's test on the first attempt? CSET

Wow, so how do you know better than the people that actually teach the information? I know how, you are either very misinformed or are intentionally lying.

[Seinna]

I know many things better than people who feel entitled to teach others, that's simply the world we live in :)

[HighValue]

@Seinna And yet, here you are being incorrect.

[Seinna]

You tell yourself that and wait till 55. You're only hurting yourself, your future partner and unfortunately your future children if you have any.

[pass_the_celery98]

In my opinion, I think when a girl goes past age 8 or 9 is when people notice what she likes and dislikes. But I firmly believe the importance of a strong male father figure is incredibly important. I am not saying a young woman or a woman cannot be a loving, caring, sympathetic individual if she had a rough childhood or dealt with loveless relationships and etc. But for most part it plays a vital role. Females genuinely need more love and attention. However, we are all human and the same goes for guys/men. The problem is who she surrounds herself around. I knew guys from elementary who were soft spoken, quiet and nice and eventually by the time Jr. High rolled in, those guys got involved with sex, booze and drugs plus didn't care about school.

If I followed their path my life would be much different today in a negative sense. I would say when a girl is in her teens and mid 20's she experiments with different guys with different things. Usually, it takes heart break, bad experiences to learn and change. To appreciate life and real love. I think when a girl is in her 20s, she may have an immature mindset of dating a hot guy. Before any girl or woman reads this, I am not applying that to all. Heart break often makes one realize what they should fix or rectify. Unfortunately, there are women and men who let failures encompass their minds with a negative outlook on life and it becomes a continuous cycle.

[pass_the_celery98]

I believe, a woman broadens her options as she gets older but with men who seem more serious and do not seem like sex hounds. Problem is, I'm sure any girl who is reading this who is in her late teens or 20s or even early 30s will push away the reserved dude with good morals who doesn't do stupid things. Young woman want to be rambunctious, break the rules and do stupid things as well. Nowadays, young woman aren't looking to settle down, they want to be check what's out there and be sexy. Eventually, I think we all realize when we need to be more serious. As we get older, people move on, they move to different countries, they get married, they ditch old friends, they have careers, that's life. Once women realize there aren't many options out there with good, hard working, loyal men who are healthy and decent looking becomes limited in my opinion. There are some shitty men out there, no one is perfect but let's just say I've seen men out there who just care about sex or only cares about himself and his strong political views. I'll just stop right there. I don't want to rant lol.

[OlderAndWiser]

When I was 20, I thought that only girls between age 16 and 25 were pretty.
When I was 30, I thought that only girls between age 16 and 35 were pretty.
When I was 40, I thought that only girls between age 16 and 45 were pretty.
When I was 50, I thought that only girls between age 16 and 55 were pretty.
etc.

(But the fact that I think a 16 year old girl can be attractive doesn't mean that I am chasing after them, or chasing after younger women in general. I have dated very few women who were more than 10 years younger than me.)

What younger people think about older people's options is irrelevant because they are seeing it only from the perspective of a younger person. I have seen some women who were 50 or 60 and very hot!

[Smoke-n-Growls]

Personally, I feel the older I get the more options I have.

I know more about who I am, what I like, what I don't like, and what I won't tolerate.

It makes it easier to reject unsuitable candidates, and I feel more empowered to go for people I am interested in. Which, admittedly right now, is no one. I'm in a part of my life where I want to focus just on me, and getting myself to a happy point.

Once I'm more settled in a life that makes me happy, it'll be easier for me to find someone who fits into that life. Someone who will thrive alongside me, and whom I can also support and thrive alongside.

[ManOnFire]

Although MGTOW and RedPillers want people to believe all that garbage about a woman "hitting the wall" at 40 and whatnot, this is actually hilariously untrue. There are women in their 40s and 50s who are still attractive, still getting hit on, and who are even still having casual sex or being literal sluts. Age doesn't change it.

And I am one of the men who has done some of the flirting and having sex with them, so I'm part of the proof. Personally I believe an older woman has a better chance of keeping a man than younger ones do because they've learned enough.

[hahahmm]

Yes and no. Think of how when people buy a car they consider the mileage. A woman could be 40 with low mileage or she could be 40 with a million miles. They're very different! In women mileage is stuff like 'bad relationships', 'spent too much time around the wrong people' (same thing, I guess). Of course feminists will claim that mileage is a myth and/or should be ignored. But men don't do things because women wish it. Men are men.

Our ancestors solved most of the problems people are grasping to solve now. When we did away with most of the traditions we created new problems.

[hahahmm]

And realize that getting sexual attention is easy. Getting a guy to take you seriously - especially a guy with options/higher value is VERY HARD. You could be the hottest looking woman on earth and the quality dudes will never take you seriously if looks are all you have. And if you say, "well a half as good guy is fine enough." Those guys are already taken by the hot looking, shallow women.

[shaysh87]

I think men are more shallow than women. I have seen broke, poor 48 yr old single dads with kids who refuse to date a woman in her 40s. Meanwhile a woman in her 40 has no such standards.

[hahahmm]

@shaysh87 "I think men are more shallow than women." I'd say that as traditional ways have become more and more watered down the percentage of guys who act like women has increased. Still, I'd bet that 98% of the attention whores in western society are female.

[shaysh87]

@hahahmm

i don't know of an older single mom with standards such as I will only date a man 15 -30 years younger or that he needs to make at least 6 figures a year.

[hahahmm]

@shaysh87 And? For every dude saying he will only date younger there's 50 women saying they need a guy of a certain height, salary & so on. And there's 100 women acting like empty minded whores online.

[shaysh87]

Vast majority of older women do not have a salary requirement for when it comes to dating. Women do not expect men to be rich but just financially stable and not work minimum wage at McDonalds. Women do not expect men to be tall either. All she wants is a man who is just same height or a bit taller. Vast majority of men are taller than women anyways so its not a hard requirement to fulfill.

Meanwhile old guys, who look like shit still expect to date women 15-30 years younger, won't date a woman who makes more than him due to his insecurity issues. This is why men always say dating is so hard for them. Single dads still want to date a young woman who looks great and doesn't have kids. Why would a young woman who looks great settle for an old unattractive single dad?

When guys in their 20s,30s, 40s, 50s are only going for women in their 20s to early 30s, of course finding a woman will be hard for you. There are simply not enough women in their early 20s to early 30s to go around.

There are claims that men do not have high standards. But I beg to differ. I believe that men have higher standards than women.

[shaysh87]

And if you are going for girls who have a height requirement such as he must be 6'0'' or make 200k a year, these are high value girls. High value girls can demand higher standards because they can afford to do so. If you don't fit the requirements, don't complain, it just means you are not a high value man.

[hahahmm]

@shaysh87 Your "Women do not expect men to be rich but just financially stable and not work minimum wage at McDonalds." Just proves my point. By your own admission here, men are less shallow than women since men don't require women to "not work minimum wage". Next. It's also hilarious that you write: "High value girls can demand higher standards because they can afford to do so. If you don't fit the requirements, don't complain, it just means you are not a high value man" -- As if height isn't a shallow requirement. Personally I don't care if a woman has a requirement like that but you need to check yourself cause you're not making any sense.

[shaysh87]

[Your "Women do not expect men to be rich but just financially stable and not work minimum wage at McDonalds." Just proves my point. By your own admission here, men are less shallow than women since men don't require women to "not work minimum wage". ]

men DO NOT like to date / marry women who make more money than them because it makes them feel insecure.

Men are more shallow than women because they expect a woman to be 15-30 years younger than them. why would you date someone 5 years younger? why wouldn't you date someone 2 years younger? Men's expectations are extreme.

Meanwhile women DO NOT have such EXTREME requirements. Women do not care how much a man makes as long as he's not making minimum wage. There are plenty of women who are dating / married to guys that make just slightly more than her. They don't expect a rich man. There are plenty of women out there dating poor guys who make 30-40k.

But when it comes to dating a 45 yr old women? 90% of guys will say no.

[shaysh87]

["High value girls can demand higher standards because they can afford to do so. If you don't fit the requirements, don't complain, it just means you are not a high value man" -- As if height isn't a shallow requirement. Personally I don't care if a woman has a requirement like that but you need to check yourself cause you're not making any sense.]

Vast majority of older women do not have a height requirement or salary requirement. If she does have a height or salary requirement, it means is a young woman with a ton of men chasing her so she can afford to have high requirements. why would an attractive young lady want a short broke guy, if she has millions of men chasing her?

the better question is: why do old unattractive 48 yr old single dads still think they are entitled to an attractive 25 yr old woman without kids?

[hahahmm]

@shaysh87 "men DO NOT like to date / marry women who make more money than them because it makes them feel insecure." -- That's your interpretation. As a man I'd say it's because it isn't natural and almost all women resent a man who makes less than her and/or expect him to buy her things and use his money on her as if he made more than her because it makes her feel good to get that treatment. So a man with half a brain knows it wouldn't make sense for him to date a rich woman if he's broke. I mean if he actually wants a healthy relationship. There are moochers who just want money and will go for that situation tho.
"Men are more shallow than women because they expect a woman to be 15-30 years younger than them. why would you date someone 5 years younger? why wouldn't you date someone 2 years younger? Men's expectations are extreme." -- Hey, it's not a man's fault if you chose to waste the best years of your life whoring around with guys who either weren't serious or who you didn't think were worth being serious with. Feminism tells women to put off important life decisions that involve family/relationships as long as possible but most men don't care about your problems. Biology doesn't care either. Your eggs are rotting fast when you wait. No amount of screaming at men will change it. Anyhow, there's guys who are totally open to older women BUT they expect her to have valuable traits. The funny thing is that a lot of women don't bother to develop valuable traits when they're young since they don't have to. And they don't do it when they're older because they're too set in their ways. Pickings are slim for guys who want a woman with good character these days.

[hahahmm]

@shaysh87

"Meanwhile women DO NOT have such EXTREME requirements. Women do not care how much a man makes as long as he's not making minimum wage. " -- So who gets to determine what's extreme and what's not? Not you. You don't get to tell men when their preferences are wrong/right. It's fine for you to have your own standards & it's fine if men think it's not shallow to want a woman who stays fit & doesn't look/act like a dude.

"But when it comes to dating a 45 yr old women? 90% of guys will say no." - Why should a man be eager to date someone based on her age? There's lots of 25 year olds no man would date too. You need more than a vagina to get a man. Hate to break it to you. And the older you get the more extra stuff you need. I guess it's the flip side of how a man is expected to have resources when he's older that he's not expected to have when he's 20. It'd be a shame for a 45 year-old man to be living with roommates but it's not for a 20 year-old. You yourself said women don't want men with minimum wage jobs so I'm sure you get it.

[shaysh87]

@hahahmm

No, its not because women in their 40s can't have kids, even SINGLE 45 yr old DADS want a woman 20 years younger. They rather stay single than date a woman around their age. how shallow is that?

if you look like shit at 45, then why wouldn't you date another 45 yr old woman? why do you think you're entitled to someone 20 years younger? Not many 20 yr olds want 40 yr old men. Thats the truth. I'm 26, and I am not looking for a man in his 40s. Its quite hilarious how 49 yr old men look like crap but then shit on 49 yr old women for looking like crap. I'm not attracted to you either , ok?

[Anyhow, there's guys who are totally open to older women BUT they expect her to have valuable traits. The funny thing is that a lot of women don't bother to develop valuable traits when they're young since they don't have to. And they don't do it when they're older because they're too set in their ways. Pickings are slim for guys who want a woman with good character these days.]

I don't think any valuable traits would make shallow men date an older woman. They rather date a hot gold digger than an older woman who loves him for who he is.

[shaysh87]

[And the older you get the more extra stuff you need. I guess it's the flip side of how a man is expected to have resources when he's older that he's not expected to have when he's 20. It'd be a shame for a 45 year-old man to be living with roommates but it's not for a 20 year-old. You yourself said women don't want men with minimum wage jobs so I'm sure you get it.]

Older women do not expect men to be rich. They would gladly date a poor man who makes 45k a year. There are plenty of women dating poor guys. There are plenty of poor guys who are married with children. But on the other hand, old ugly 49 yr old men don't want to date a 40 yr old woman but a 20 yr old woman. You want the best of the best. You want the cream of the crop, while you look like shit.

You don't want a younger woman, you want the YOUNGEST woman. A woman does not need the richest man, she just wants a man who makes a bit more than her.

Of course you need more stuff as you age, because without additional stuff, you cannot attract women in their 20s. You would do absolutely anything to get a woman in her 20s. You rather do prostitution and buy a girlfriend in her 20s than to date a woman in her 40s.

You like to claim that you women have higher standards. But in actuality men have higher standards. This is why all of you constantly claim you can't find dates or its so hard to get a woman. Its so hard for you to get a woman because there simply aren't enough women in their late teens or 20s to go around.

[hahahmm]

"Vast majority of older women do not have a height requirement or salary requirement. If she does have a height or salary requirement, it means is a young woman with a ton of men chasing her so she can afford to have high requirements. why would an attractive young lady want a short broke guy, if she has millions of men chasing her?"

Uh, this is exactly why I don't get why you're whining about a guy not being into an older woman. He has other options. And the older a guy gets the wiser he tends to be about what's valuable and what's not so if all she has to offer is what she had when she was 20s.. except now it's more worn/aged, that's not looking good for her since the average woman has zilch beyond looks.

"the better question is: why do old unattractive 48 yr old single dads still think they are entitled to an attractive 25 yr old woman without kids?"

First off, for all of human history men were never judged by their looks. They were judged by their accomplishments. And that's still true of any guy of value today. You should be asking why the most vocal feminists believe that acting & dressing like a wh@re is empowerment. Why flaunting their body and using it to get things from men is considered an achievement. We don't have to ask a man why him having put tons of energy into doing all of the things women expect of men and MORE makes him valuable to women.

[shaysh87]

[Uh, this is exactly why I don't get why you're whining about a guy not being into an older woman. He has other options. And the older a guy gets the wiser he tends to be about what's valuable and what's not so if all she has to offer is what she had when she was 20s.. except now it's more worn/aged, that's not looking good for her since the average woman has zilch beyond looks.]

Actually older men do not have other options. I have seen plenty of 48 yr old single dads who cannot get a woman in her 20s but yet still won't date a woman around his age. I have seen single 40 something yr old dads prefer to date gold diggers 20 years younger that he has absolutely nothing in common with than a woman around his age who has more in common with him.

[First off, for all of human history men were never judged by their looks. They were judged by their accomplishments. And that's still true of any guy of value today. You should be asking why the most vocal feminists believe that acting & dressing like a wh@re is empowerment. Why flaunting their body and using it to get things from men is considered an achievement. We don't have to ask a man why him having put tons of energy into doing all of the things women expect of men and MORE makes him valuable to women.]

what have you accomplished at your age? are you a high status man? NO. are you wealthy? NO.

so what have you accomplished other than the fact that you're just an unattractive, ugly old guy?

what makes you entitled to the youngest of all women?

The truth of the matter is, VAST MAJORITY OF 20 something yr old women have no interest in 40 something yr old men. Its an uncommon sight for a 45 yr old to be dating a 25 yr old. Sorry if I hurt you, but its the truth.

[shaysh87]

@hahahmm

and you like to claim that looks don't matter to women? you clearly have no dating experience if you think that looks don't matter to women, especially to women in their 20s when they have a lot of options.

[hahahmm]

@shaysh87 I didn't bother reading your replies until now... let's see:"what have you accomplished at your age? are you a high status man? NO. are you wealthy? NO." -- I'm not the one complaining! Nor do I have any complaints about my personal life. You may want to look in the mirror if you're looking for problems. "so what have you accomplished other than the fact that you're just an unattractive, ugly old guy?" -- Ahh, I can hear the pain in your words. I can imagine the soul crushing depression you must suffer and you go searching for help by lashing out at people like myself who didn't cause your problems. "what makes you entitled to the youngest of all women?" First of, I don't want "the youngest of all women" & secondly having a vagina isn't that special. It's almost like you didn't comprehend a word I wrote above.

"and you like to claim that looks don't matter to women? you clearly have no dating experience if you think that looks don't matter to women, especially to women in their 20s when they have a lot of options." -- Well, I have posted many times on G@G that women who slut around aren't valuable to quality dudes. Of course women who do slut around & the men who don't take them seriously but enjoy sleeping with them may say otherwise.

[hahahmm]

@shaysh877 And of course, at the end of the day, women don't care about looks primarily when picking a serious partner. Looks is just icing on the cake. If she's focused on looks I'd argue that she's not really that serious & 99% of the time she's still trying to attract other men. Not every guy is as dumb as you think. We get how the game works.

[shaysh87]

@hahahmm

I'm a young woman. I can tell you that young girls do not tend to go for old guys unless you're willing to pay her for it. Otherwise , we stick to young guys who are still hot in their prime.

deal with it.

[hahahmm]

@shaysh87 That doesn't contradict anything I said, as far as you women needing and wanting resources. After all, for all of human history the definition of a man being a quality catch and of him being desirable is based on his achievements. It's also why women today are complaining about the lack of guys who they feel measure up. As far as how men look - that varies. Just like the look of females. Although, yes we can find MANY examples of young women in their prime who married very old looking dudes in their late 50s and older.

[shaysh87]

@hahahmm

Most young women are not interested in men 50 years +. We don't find guys around that age to be attractive in any way shape or form. Most of us are interested in hot guys around our age or a little older. Take a look at marriage data. Average age difference if less than 10 years apart. there's nothing that says women in their 20s are marrying men in their 50s. Its just that old , desperate men want young women. But very few young women want old desperate men.

Most of us aren't interested in marrying a guy we don't have to have sex with for money. Sure, there are gold diggers who would do it but not most of us. A relationship without physical attraction is a sham. Just because some young women would date a rich guy, it does not mean they actually want to be with him. They're will marry you for money but fall in love with a young , hot guy around their age with the amazing personality she wants.

Old desperate men like you think that love can be bought. Love can't be bought. Just because a gold digger wants to be with you, it does not mean she finds you attractive. It does not mean she likes you. You will need to continue paying her to stick with you.

Plus, vast majority of men never make it to millions. So I don't know why you're acting as if there are "plenty" of young women marrying guys in their 50s. Thats a huge overstatement.

[shaysh87]

@hahahmm

I'm 26. I would date a millionaire even if I don't actually want him, as long as he pays me. But when it comes to marriage, I would rather marry a poor man that I love rather than a rich man who I don't love. I will never marry an old rich man that I am not attracted to or not interested in having sex with. I want to marry a man that I find attractive and want to have sex with naturally. I don't want to force myself to be with a creepy old guy. No amount of money will make me happy.

Sure there are some young women who would do it, but not most of us.

[shaysh87]

@hahahmm

Another thing is, the young women who do marry rich, desperate men tend to cheat on them with young, hot men. Its not surprising because its very hard being married to a man that you're not in love with and not physically attracted to. Nobody want to give a senior citizen a blow job.

[StrongMale]

Interesting question... The sad but true reality is that the male sexual fixation on the beauty and allure of female youth (which, by the way, is just the way males are naturally wired for procreation) can cause the appeal of ‘older’, more experienced, and more mature women to wane as they age. And while the tendency for men to find younger women more attractive is by design, it should not mean that a woman in her 40s or beyond has less opportunities and prospects in love and life. Like most guys, I can’t deny the appeal a beautiful young woman possesses. And yet, I have found many 40+ women to be wildly alluring and intellectually stimulating. Society would do well to rid itself of the ageism toward women!

[exitseven]

I used to have a thing for a woman who worked for one of my customers. She was in her 40s and I was probably around 30. She was not really beautiful or classically hot but she was just so interesting to talk to and just seemed so worldly (not really the word I am looking for) that I thought she was hot. A person can be attractive at any age.

[PinkMichae]

I felt I had more options at 38 when I became single than I had in my teens and early 20's. I think the reason is when i was younger I had no self esteem. I worried what people thought of me. Dating in my late 30's I could care less what people thought of me and I knew my worth.