Why are women terrified of accidentally cutting their babies fingers but feel no remorse circumcizing them?

[Filthy_Immigrant]

I thought circumsizion was one of the most inhuman things anyone can do to an newborn child.

obviously not only are you taking away something the boy is literally born with and needs to function but this is a painful ass procedure as well, all for fucking nothing! since after all there are still no concrete evidence that circumsizion prevents infection and STD/STIs, etc. its not like these things were ever that common either way.

till then I find ironic how so many women are terrified of hurting their baby when they are clipping their nales, bathing them, etc. yet feel no guilt/remorse when it comes to circumcizing their child. where the hell are the maternal instincts on that?

PS: by the way, vaginal infection is far more common than penis infection, so why aren't women not getting circumsized? what makes them so special that they actually make soap specially designed for them?

[madhatters4]

this is a rather absurd comparison. one is a surgical procedure the other is not. one has (whether real or not a perceived) desired outcome/result the other one really doesn't. also who's to say that women aren't nervous, remorseful, or concerned about circumcision (or parents in general because it takes two to baby)

[Filthy_Immigrant]

an unnecessary surgical procedure where the baby still surfer and you're taking away from him something he needs to perform as a human

[madhatters4]

you don't need foreskin to perform. nonetheless you are comparing apples and oranges. i'm not in favor circumcision but this is not an apt comparison

[Filthy_Immigrant]

during sex both parties are suppose to feel pleasure. so when you are taking away a child's foreskin you are depriving him of the ability to feel pleasure during sex

[madhatters4]

not true. i am circumcised. sex feels incredible to me.
and it still is not something someone NEEDS to perform as a human.

[strateguy632]

surgical? surgery is if has conditions for surgery like medical need and no other alternative to respond to a problem not for healthy baby. any "unnecesary" surgery is considered a dreadful crime except this but equal.

[madhatters4]

@strateguy632 no it's not. surgery is a medical procedure that's it. there are 100s of surgical procedures that do not treat a "medical need" (breast enhancement?)

[NamerOfStars]

Because they're conditioned to lack empathy, and to avoid deviating from social expectations on top of that. In any great social or political movement, good or bad, the majority of the movers and shakers are men; it's just how the sexes are wired. The fact that so few men openly oppose it is also a huge factor; it obviously makes women think it's not a big deal.

That, to my mind, is the truly depressing part: that there's almost no malice involved. It's just inertia.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

A lot of it has to do with what they have been conditioned with by other males around them. Some prefer a cleaner look personally and inflict that on their child.

Personally I think it should be up to the child if they want circumcision done or not. It's their body to modify however they would like. I just see it as a cruel act inflicted on boys for vanity.

[Apple1996]

It's sad that so many people think circumcision is normal. It's mutilation and should never be done to anyone. I kept all my boys intact. It's their body so it's their choice.

Also I no longer clip my babies nails cause of a accident I had with my 1st. File or bite them but never use clippers

[liel443]

I'd say I'm way more terrified of a mistake trimming my baby's foreskin than his fingernails. Do I take my baby to a surgeon every time he needs his fingernails trimmed? No, I do it myself, that's how little I'm afraid of it.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

surgeon or not the baby clearly still suffers when you circumsize him as the picture above shows. I've even seen a few live videos that were just too depressing to watch

[liel443]

Any surgery would look grotesque if you do it in public and without anesthesia. Let a surgeon do it in a surgery room and it's fine.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

the video I speak of was done on a real hospital by licensed surgeons. the poor baby literally cried out his lungs right after they clipped his flesh

[liel443]

You don't clip the flash, only skin. Yeah, of course it hurts, but if it's with anesthesia he shouldn't even feel it.

Surgery is not a fun thing, but in this case the result is really worth the discomfort.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

our skin is flesh and how the fuck is mutalating someone "worth the discomfort"?

[liel443]

I've known adult men who chose to do it, I've never met an adult man who wishes it wasn't done on him.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

Well newborn babies are not men, they still got a long way to go in life

[liel443]

Most men that I know who were circumcised, which are almost all of the men whose penis I've seen, are very very glad this was done to them as babies and not left for them to make that decision as adults.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

Good for them, I’m pretty sure they would all be singing a different tune if it was done to them later on in their life when they were able to remember the pain and torment.

And they’re probably misguided just like most of the women in the west when it comes to believing that not having a foreskin makes a man cleaner

[Bryce325]

They see it as beneficial to the long term health and success of their child to be circumcised.

There is no context someone would see cutting a finger accidently as helpful.

I'm not advocating for or against the act I am merely stating why they might do it and not interested in debating whether they should.

[inhua]

it's ridiculous that infant male circumcision hasn't been outlawed yet but apparently that's just "whiny" to bring it up

[Filthy_Immigrant]

its only "whiny" when men bring it up as their problems

[strateguy632]

when they outlawed female cut, then equality included male but nobody enforced this equality

[Pohjolan]

Its really weird that Americans cut baby dicks as a fashion choice.

by the way why not elf ears or tattoos instead?

[AviatorTom]

Circumcision is performed by a doctor, a professional, who knows what they are doing.

It's different when a parent cuts their child's finger.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

it doesn't matter who performs it. if you look at the picture above the baby is still suffering

[AviatorTom]

I'm circumcised. I suffer no effects from it, and I don't remember any suffering. What that picture shows is a baby crying... I've had 3 kids, 2 boys and a girl. Babies often cry, for a variety of reasons.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

you must have problems reading facial expressions cause clearly that baby is not just crying. his face is very intense screaming out that he is suffering.

I also seen live videos on then performing it and its heart breaking how those babies break down.

also just because you dont remember does not mean it did not happen. that's like raping a woman and then drugging her to erase her memories; it still happen and the damage has been done

[strateguy632]

that cut doesn't need a doctor so non doctor do it. most cuts are by non doctor non surgeon

[Soldieronmission]

What nonsense are you getting your info from? Read your last paragraph and the stupid fact that goes it.

What is there to circumcise on a female? The natural design is different and sadly that leads to more UTIs for women..

[Filthy_Immigrant]

"sadly that leads to more UTIs for women.."

exactly! you just said it yourself that women get more UTI so why aren't we circumcizing girls instead?

till then you must be a total feminized momma's boy if you are failing to see the sexism and double standards behind this

[Soldieronmission]

You didn't answer what there is to cut off on a women...

[Filthy_Immigrant]

the part of their vagina that holds the most germs. they are already doing it in africa

[Soldieronmission]

No bro that's mutilation not circumcision. Get your facts straight

[Filthy_Immigrant]

the outcomes aren't so different if you think about it

[Soldieronmission]

You got issues man, they're not even the same outcome nor reason. And you work in healthcare? That's scary!

[Filthy_Immigrant]

no I dont work in that field, that was an error made by the website.

but yeah I guess being aware of the double standards means I have issues. but thats ok I take that as a compliment

[Apple1996]

Women have foreskins too. It's actually less painful for a woman to get circumcised then a man. Not that I agree with either since both are mutilation tho

[Jersey2]

My boys are circumcised just as I am. I enjoy the look and the low maintenance and want them to have that as well. It’s all good.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

wtf do you mean by "low maintenance"?

[Jersey2]

Exactly that. More like no maintenance. I wash, i’m done. No extra effort, no smelly growth under some excess skin. Quick and easy. Others, not so much.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

bro you dont need to wash or do anything to a foreskin in order to keep it clean. that shit washes itself with you while your in the shower.

sounds to me like you believe all the myths and propaganda ignorant people throw at you

[Jersey2]

Ya huh:

my.clevelandclinic.org/health/body/23175-foreskin

[strateguy632]

you enjoy... until they realize what they lost and who decided.

[Jersey2]

@strateguy632 Well they are certainly old enough to tell me. And i am certainly old enough to be thankful i had it done with no memory of it. Its awesome!

[Filthy_Immigrant]

@jeysey2 sounds like what YOU and that site you uploaded are trying to say is that the best way to avoid migraine headaches is to chop your own head off

[Filthy_Immigrant]

@strateguy632 he's not alone. me and some other user in this site were talking recently on how so many circumcized men here in America tend to have overly inflated egos and a superior complex cause they swear that circumcized makes them holy somehow

[Jersey2]

Confidence is what you are seeing. May e you aren't used to that where ever you come from.

Perhaps you are new to the US or just under educated, but that site is the Cleveland Clinic which is the number 2 hospital in the US:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Clinic

Given that you didn't know that, i understand your lack of confidence.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

@Jersey2 you will be surprised how many times confidents and INSECURITY get mixed up

[Jersey2]

Surprisingly, I don't care. … anyway, moving on now.

[huntersawyer22]

Because women (and men) in America are conditioned to think that infant male genital mutilation is normal when it is not

[BigDog1989]

I smell an anti-Semite in the making/already made?