Do women want to be strong and independent?

[Anonymous]

[CallyKat89]

Not all women want to be strong and independent. But they have to be.

Young women don’t have the same societal support structure that enabled the stay-at-home lifestyle their mothers may have enjoyed. The cost of living is higher, single women are expected to work, and the dating market has morphed into a hook-up culture. Unless you’re one of the lucky few women who has found their forever partner early in life, most women have to weed through men who may not have their best interest at heart while trying to support themselves.

The 3rd leading cause of death for young women ages 1-19 is homicide. 76% of female murders are committed by a man that they know. Of that 76% statistic, 34% of those women were killed by a romantic partner. (https://www.cdc.gov/women/lcod/2018/all-races-origins/index.htm) Women need to be strong. Women need to be smart.

When you expand the age range to 44, homicide ranks in at number 5. Women understandably, shouldn’t blindly trust men to protect them. (https://epublications.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1489&context=psych_fac ) This reinforces the fact that young women need to be strong and independent. Not to mention the fact that when women are assaulted or attacked in public, men habitually do not interfere to protect them. This male bystander effect forces women into a position where the perpetrator can successfully commit public assault with an audience without intervention. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5868745/)

For better or for worse, times have changed. Men and women have changed. Men and women can enter relationships with each other and still be strong and independent. Women need to be able to still be themselves while in a relationship with another person. The same is true for men.

All in all, it would be nice to have a partner that enables me to stay at home and not have to work. This means that they have the power over the household finances. I am taking a risk placing my agency and autonomy in the hands of this person. Statistically speaking, I should not take this risk.

[love_conquers_lust]

Men’s death rates eclipse yours.

Women in the workplace is driving society’s productivity per capita down. So is being overworked. I’m afraid feminism has large part to blame in wealth inequality.

[CallyKat89]

@love_conquers_lust “Men’s death rates eclipse yours.”
That is true. However, men kill women significantly more often than women kill men. I think you missed the point about the inherent danger that men on average pose to women. See sources linked above.

“Women in the workplace is driving society’s productivity per capita down. So is being overworked.”
This is a misconception. Let’s look at the most recent labor productivity data. In 2020, the share of women who participated in the labor force fell by 1.2 percentage points to 56.2 percent, the lowest rate since 1987. (https://www. bls. gov/opub/reports/womens-databook/2021/home. htm). However, labor productivity grew at an annualized rate of 11.2 percent in 2020q2 and the average hourly wage increased sharply. (https://www. bls. gov/osmr/research-papers/2022/ec220010. htm).
“I’m afraid feminism has large part to blame in wealth inequality.”
I don’t understand why you are talking about wealth inequality. This statement also does not make sense and I’m not sure what you mean by it. Logically, one would assume that feminism advocates for equal, if not higher wages for women in comparison to men.
Wage gap statistics regarding men and women tend to look at average pay spreads across professions. In the most egalitarian countries, women tend to prefer entering career fields that pay less than the fields that men choose to enter. Examples would be the overrepresentation of females in nursing or teaching and the overrepresentation of males in engineering. I’ve linked household data annual averages from the Bureau of Labor Statistics to support this summary. (http://www. bls. gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cftb0292. pdf)

[CallyKat89]

My links pasted strangely
Links to showing how women re-entering the workforce increased labor productivity: www.bls.gov/.../home.htm
www.bls.gov/osmr/research-papers/2022/ec220010.htm

Link household data annual averages from the Bureau of Labor Statistics: http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cftb0292.pdf

[love_conquers_lust]

“ I think you missed the point about the inherent danger that men on average pose to women.”. I didn’t miss it, because I agree with it. Men are hazardous to both sexes, though more so to men.

“men habitually do not interfere to protect them. This male bystander effect forces women into a position where the perpetrator can successfully commit public assault with an audience without intervention.”. I think a decrease in crime rates is why we are seeing this. We’re trending towards a society where people are forgetting how to protect women because it is becoming obsolete, they aren’t getting attacked as often, neither are men.

I think I’m partially wrong and partially correct on women driving down productivity. I hadn’t looked at hard data and was going on past experience.

So, I think we have to consider physical labor becoming less essential. We’re continuing to try to eliminate those jobs and replace it them with mentally intensive ones. In that arena, women and men have the same average IQ, although women have a tighter band. I wrote a MyTake on it if you are bored.

What’s interesting to note is productivity has continued to rise after women’s work force participation leveled off. That tells me that women’s workforce participation is not causal to those productivity gains, nor is it men’s. If we look at it on the flip, productivity has gone up while men’s participation has gone down. That could lead one to conclude men are actually worse workers. What’s particularly deceiving is it doesn’t break down productivity by gender. I couldn’t find data on that. I bet if you did, it would show that it’s gone up for both genders.

I agree with you on wage gap. Longer hours and shittier jobs are why, but the gap is closing for same aforementioned reasons.

[love_conquers_lust]

On wealth inequality, this is a big topic and I was too crass in blaming feminism. I was specifically referring to pay gap. Since 1980, the pay gap has continued to widen. Republicans slashed tax rates defunding the federal government. Democrats are known for being war hungry and people were mad about Viet Nam and stagflation. So, they opened the lid off the American economy. In doing so, union power was decimated. Unionship closely parallels with feminism. So, by that perception, lack of feminism has driven the pay gap. However, as I mentioned, increasing productivity and less reliance on physical labor has actually opened the door for women’s increased workplace participation. I’ve said this before, technology and innovation has done more to advance women’s equality than any politician ever did.

We’ve lost the power to negotiate better wages as women have entered the workforce. Feminism hasn’t really done much to help us in this regard. I argue it might have made it worse because as women got more buying power, they forgot to ask for more money at work, so did men. So, the rich have taken feminism and exploited it for their gain. They gladly advertise to women to sell them stuff, be strong, and have it all. Then turn around and call it communism when it comes to paying those same women more money. Men haven’t helped things any because they’re getting screwed too. A handful of men and women at the top are benefitting. There’s also a racial diversity component to it as well.

Thank you for the thought out responses.

[love_conquers_lust]

One other very important thing to note about productivity and workforce participation. Men’s participation has continued to drop from the 1960s as productivity has gone up. Women’s workforce participation has also dropped after leveling off in 2010…productivity, has continued to go up…

[CallyKat89]

@love_conquers_lust Okay, I acknowledge that a lot was said here and that I cannot address each point you made. I can, however, suggest that you do some research. Your anecdotal evidence usually does not hold true when extrapolated to the wider human experience. I was also surprised to see your comment on crime. Crime has increased by 30%. Crime has been increasing. What are you talking about? (https://wisevoter. com/state-rankings/crime-rate-by-state/#tracker_introduction) (https://www. macrotrends. net/countries/USA/united-states/murder-homicide-rate).

It sounds like you have a lot of lived experience. It sounds like you have a very clear view of the world and how it works. I suggest before solidifying those perspectives, you dig into the data to see if that is, in fact, the reality of the situation. I would love to see what resources you have used to help you draw your conclusions.

[CallyKat89]

Something happened with my links again. Crime stats links:
wisevoter.com/.../#tracker_introduction
www.macrotrends.net/.../murder-homicide-rate

[love_conquers_lust]

For participation, select table 2: www.bls.gov/.../home.htm

This is productivity and pay gap in one:
www.epi.org/.../
^^I don’t agree with their recommendations, but I think their data is accurate

On crime since 1990:
www.statista.com/.../
Since 1960:
https://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

Like it or not, the Western world is trying to create a society where women are independent and don’t have to rely on men so they are free to pursue their own happiness without living in fear. That includes pursuing men. So, it’s tricky with all the inherent gender differences. It’s further complicated exponentially with racial differences.

So, my interpretations and intwining of feminism is complicated. I see both good and bad. I don’t like it when feminism embraces and celebrates the right to be like the worst in men, it should be condemned for both. Saying prostitution is empowering is technically equality, but that doesn’t make it healthy.

[Apple1996]

Nope not all women want to be independent. I'm a stay at home mom so it's definitely possible. The girl in the video could choose a different life if she wanted

[AnusNdaPainus]

Once again you were no help at all

[Apple1996]

@AnusNdaPainus help with what? I'm just saying this girl in the vid shouldn't be complaining

[AnusNdaPainus]

Why shouldn’t she? Women had a good thing going until feminist decided to attack nuclear families

[Apple1996]

@AnusNdaPainus not sure feminism did that. It has made families better. Back then lots of abuse since women couldn't leave their spouse

[AnusNdaPainus]

What is the purpose of a family unit?

[Noether]

@AnusNdaPainus
To have each other’s backs and love and be warm and kind to each other in a cold world and be there for one another even when things are hard, to encourage each other and to do the same for any children of the family so they’ll learn from your example and grow up to be kind, loving people as well and form positive relationships of their own.

[AnusNdaPainus]

@Noether incorrect!

[AnusNdaPainus]

@Noether the purpose is to provide the best possible start for your offspring

Asian people prioritize family

This is why they are the richest demographic and so strict with their children

Asian people will stay married to someone they hate for their child’s benefit

[Noether]

@AnusNdaPainus

Asian countries have some of the lowest rates of marriage in the world and they’re just continuing to decline. They won’t be able to maintain a stable population on their own at this point which is why Japan is now pursuing a policy of encouraging immigration and China turns a blind eye to the sex trafficking of Tibetan women and is (unsuccessfully) trying to convince more Chinese women to marry using a strategy of public shaming. The West is also having fertility issues but the decline isn’t as sharp as in East Asian countries.

Your family includes your siblings, spouse, children, your nieces, nephews, cousins etc. The question of what family is for includes “what are older siblings for?” etc.

Good families provide a network of support for one another, treat each other with kindness and love and are close to each other.

Children can sense when their parents hate each other and develop mental health issues and behavioral issues as a result because it’s unhealthy to grow up in such a tense, stressful environment. Of course, growing up in a single parent household os also often stressful and is also correlated with poor mental health and behavioral issues in children.

This is exactly why it’s so important for people to learn how to form and maintain healthy, loving relationships (and people who grow up in loving homes are at an advantage there) and all people should work on their own mental health before they have children.

[AnusNdaPainus]

@Noether first off I think it’s really ignorant and racist that when I say Asian you immediately assume “Chinese or Japanese”

Secondly you’re talking about a fantasy to expect a marriage to just be happy and full of support and benevolence if two people who hate each other have a child the best thing to do is to stay together for the child’s benefit divorce is much more damaging than living with parents who don’t always get along any psychologist will tell you what’s best for children is to be with THEIR parents not a stepdad, not a stepmom THEIR parents no matter if they don’t like each other

Ever hear someone say “You two are like an old married couple” they always argue

[Noether]

It’s true of South Korea and Thailand as well, and marriage rates are decreasing in India.

It’s not an unrealistic expectation for people in a relationship to work out their differences between and not hate each other’s guts. Adult siblings and friends also argue with each other sometimes, but they should never abuse each other physically or emotionally and should get along with each other for the most part if they’re living together.

Some children are better off being raised by divorced parents, some even turn out all the better for being taken in by a relative who isn’t their parent, or even from being adopted by people who aren’t biologically related, but provide them with safe and loving home environment. In fact adopted children in general fare better overall than others in their biological families in terms of income and health, especially when one or both of their parents are abusive and/or emotionally unstable.

[Noether]

@AnusNdaPainus

^biological

[AnusNdaPainus]

@Noether what you aren’t understanding is the cultural difference

They go into marriage thinking about their legacy
(children/ grandchildren)

In the West women go into marriage thinking about their own happiness and personal gain

This is why Asian people are the richest and most successful demographic because they prioritize FAMILY first and build a community around them to give them everything that they need to succeed and thrive to ultimately create generational wealth

Fuck your happy Disney fantasy marriage

[Noether]

@AnusNdaPainus

The people getting married are the foundation of the marriage, emotionally healthy, stable people coming together results in a stable, healthy marriage and vice versa.

Viewing your future children simply as a means of propagate your legacy and increase your wealth while disregarding their mental health and well-being by not taking the time to form and maintain a healthy relationship and making sure you’re mentally stable and emotionally as prepared as possible before you have children and modeling this for them is selfish. Fuck your codependent “marriage” based on nothing but the vain pursuit of glory via personal legacy and money.

[Pegases]

I don't think so. I think feminism pressures women to be strong and independent, but most women I know aren't thrilled about it. That's why there is this soft girl trend currently. They are tired of believing that they have to do it all alone.

[genericname85]

no they don't. they wanna be loved and validated like pretty much every human being. being strong is not something people "like to be". it's a necessary evil.

[Noether]

@Opinion Owner

^should not

[genericname85]

@Noether should not what?

[Noether]

@genericname85

Sorry, that response was meant for someone else.

[A_Bell]

Frankly, most of us don't deserve a stable relationship with the sabotage and self destructive behavior we seem to bring to relationships.

Girls are no long taught to take responsibility or give deference to people with more experience or wisdom. Everything is "the patriarchy's" fault, not their spoiled nature or unearned inflated self-worth.

I have seen my much older sisters and my mom deal with men my entire life. I don't remember ever seeing them apologize for anything they've done to the men or boys in their lives, but I've seen the opposite happen numerous times.

Even in my friends, especially in college, the opinions toward guys was similar for the most part, save for a girl here of there.

I don't want to end up as a sarcastic, wine swirling harpy living alone with a fresh rotation of boyfriends that I can ghost when I get bored.

I want a committed family, with kids, probably less wealthy and maybe less "strength" and "independence" but greater fulfillment.

What corporate ratrace culture has sold us is toxic.

[Pegases]

Wow, I rarely hear this from women. I think the fact that I'm starting to see this observation a bit more, implies that women are starting to take more accountability for their choices. Slowly but surely. Well said.

[thatshydork]

I do sometimes because I sometimes feel like if I don’t pay for my stuff then people will hold it over my head and be like “well I paid for x y z so you owe me” or like that thing isn’t really mine. It’s nice to have someone to depend on when I need it, but I also like being independent for certain things like paying for my own stuff most of the time or doing things on my own and not really having to rely on others too much. I won’t fight someone if they want to pay for me, but I won’t just not reach for my wallet either. Plus I like working because I feel like I really earned the money I have.

[Billlewis]

Well said!

[thatshydork]

@Billlewis thank you

[CubsterShura]

That's like asking if children like to go to school lol. Most hate it, but education is still important. Almost everyone, including men, would choose to just stay at home and chill if they could.

The woman in the video is speaking nonsense. She can still opt out of going to college and choose to stay at home for her husband and kids if she wants to, as an adult she has the choice to pick that lifestyle for herself and also take all the risks that come with that in the present day.

The best way to put it is that feminism has given women the choice to stay at home and cook and clean but men no longer have the choice to beat their wives or sell them in the market like they could in the 1800's.

[Anonymous]

I'm not a feminist so I don't walk around with a neon sign over my head screaming "I am a strong and independent woman and I don't need a man".

Healthy relationships are about depending on one another. I can be a strong woman and still be dependent on my man just like he is dependent on me. That's how it's supposed to be. That's how soulmates work.

[MrOracle]

[Noether]

The key is to be strong and *interdependent*, not codependent or 100% independent when you’re in a relationship

[Opinion Owner]

Haha, thank you @MrOracle. I take that as a real compliment coming from you.

@Noether I agree! But it's important to trust your partner enough to allow yourself to be vulnerable, and also to make them feel valued (aka, needed).

[Noether]

@Opinion Owner
You shouldn’t really want to feel “needed” in the literal sense of the word. Wanted, loved deeply, appreciated, yes, but not like the other person literally could not live without you, like they wouldn’t just miss you, cry and grieve but eventually find the strength to move on and think of you fondly if something terrible happened but would actually kill themselves if they were widowed, or if they can’t function in life and sink into a depressed state whenever you need to travel on a business trip and can’t even take care of everyday affairs of even look after your kids properly because they do not know how to function for any period of time without you. That’s what codependency is and it may sound romantic in a fairytale but is not nearly as pretty in real life.

[Opinion Owner]

@Noether Let's dispense with the semantics. It's widely aknowledged by psychologists and sociologists that people need to feel needed. That doesn't mean they will commit suicide if they don't.

steverosephd.com/.../

[Noether]

@Opinion Owner
I was referring to the extreme case, the kind of “needing” more like the sort mentioned in this part of the article you linked above. If by making someone feel needed you mean something closer to making them feel loved, wanted and appreciated, this doesn’t apply, but if it’s meant literally needing you in the way you need food or water to survive, that’s extreme and not good:

“When the Need to be Needed is Unhealthy

Although we need to feel needed, we need to be mindful if this turns into a form of addiction. Addiction to the need to be needed can also be called codependency.
Codependency occurs when our desire to contribute stems from a sense of not being enough. We are no longer human beings; we become human doings.
Every basic need has a dark side.
Our basic need for food can turn into an addiction, our need for safety and security can turn into anxiety and obsession, and our need for self-esteem can turn into narcissism.
The dark side of these needs comes from an attempt to fill an inner void with an external substance or behavior.
If our need to be needed is not met, we may overcompensate for our lack of love and belonging by trying to gain acceptance through continually doing things for others.”

[Noether]

@Opinion Owner

“…Emotional dependency is like a spectrum, where emotional independence and self-fulfilment will rest on one end and complete dependence on a partner, friend or loved one is at another end.

Emotionally independent people know how to be emotionally strong and can deal with problems on their own.

They prefer coping with their emotional needs on their own, however, they may face difficulties in becoming vulnerable and open with their partners or loved ones leading to relationship issues.

Interdependent relationships are the healthiest type because they fall in the middle. Interdependence also means that you know your own emotional needs and put in the effort to meet them.

If you can’t meet all your emotional needs, then you may reach out to your partner. In other words, you can depend on them for some emotional needs, but not all of them.

Most people cultivate interdependent relationships with a network of friends, colleagues, mentors and loved ones where each need is met via different relationships leading to more fulfilling and balanced lives without extreme reliance on any one individual or relationship.

Now, at the other end of the emotional spectrum, we have emotional dependence. Here you will usually end up depending on your partner to meet all your emotional needs.

For instance, if you are facing any emotional distress, you may want to rely on your partner immediately before trying to manage them by yourself.

In such a relationship, you may feel like you can’t live without your partner’s emotional support. This suggests that your relationship has gone toward an unhealthy level of dependence.”

“Most individuals have an interconnected web of relationships that fulfill the various needs they need met. However, sometimes individuals become dependent on someone. Placing all your emotional needs on one person slowly turns into unhealthy emotional dependency.”

Source:
Overcoming Emotional Dependency: How to become emotionally strong

[Opinion Owner]

@Noether Sorry, don't have time to read all that. I understand perhaps you've had issues with codependency. I hope you're abe to work through those. But back to the point I was making, it's an important human need to feel needed, and it's important in a relationship to let your partner feel needed. I stand by what I wrote initially.

[Noether]

I haven’t personally but am familiar with it. It’s not just codependency that’s an issue, it’s also emotional dependency which is not the same thing as being interdependent and is unhealthy.

Your need to be needed should not be met by just your romantic partner, since you shouldn’t put all the expectations for meeting your emotional needs on a single person. You should be able to get some of your sense of being needed intrinsically, and when you’re struggling dealing with it on your own then sometimes your need to be needed should be met by reaching out to your friends, sometimes by other family members such as siblings and sometimes by your partner. All the responsibility for meeting your emotional needs should not be dumped on your partner or any other one person, you should develop a network of different kinds of human relationships to meet your emotional various needs and also develop a healthy sense of self esteem through therapy and working on yourself so that you also get much of your sense of being needed intrinsically, in addition from via your friendships, romantic partner and (other) family members.

[Opinion Owner]

@Noether I feel sorry for any partners you've had or will have.

[Noether]

@Opinion Owner

Why, because I want my partner and my self to have a strong supportive network of friends and family and to have a healthy sense of self esteem while knowing we will will also rely on each other and care about fostering similar healthy strategies for meeting my own emotional needs so I won’t put too much of a burden on my own partner by expecting him to meet *all* of my emotional needs on his own? Expecting your romantic partner to do all of that on his/her own while not understanding the need to cultivate proper, supportive relationships not only with your partner but also with friends, family and community in the appropriate setting is part of the reason why divorce rates are so high to begin with. People are lonelier than ever in the modern world and many lack a strong sense of community, close friendships and a strong social network. They crave a romantic relationship, expecting it to solve all of these issues and get all of the needs that are meant to be met by a network of different kinds of relationships (family, friends, and community as well as your partner), and then find themselves disappointed and disillusioned or angry and resentful when it becomes apparent that a single person cannot and should be expected to meet all of your emotional needs without you putting in any effort to do things yourself that you know will improve your mental health and lead to you and your partner having a healthy degree of reliance on each other

[Noether]

@Opinion Owner

^should not

[catarecute]

yes we do its the only way foward. if women are not strong we would be completely destroy by a man at some point in their life. i have never met a woman who hasn't either been abused, cheated on, ghosted, insulted, controled, bullied, raped, used, mocked, belitled, druged, or worst by a man at least once in her life. we have to be strong for our survival.

[MrOracle]

Did you ever consider that nearly all of those women CHOSE the men who did that to them? And did you also know that virtually all women choose exclusively from the same top 20% of men (as rated by women)? Hmm...

[AnusNdaPainus]

I’ve never met a man who hasn't either been abused, cheated on, ghosted, insulted, controled, bullied, raped, used, mocked, belitled, druged, or worst by a man at least once in her life.

Only difference is women feel entitled to protection

[catarecute]

@AnusNdaPainus yea but men are suposed to be protecting of women. if you dont want to be that then dont be surprised you wife wants to be strong independent

[AnusNdaPainus]

Here is the thing men are naturally protectors and providers this is what women in other countries know and understand about men and why their relationships with men are stronger

[catarecute]

@AnusNdaPainus yea i noticed that america has a completely different dating culture than Europe. i am starting to see it more as i watch youtube videos and ask questions on this site. its like a complete different world.

[AmeerX]

@catarecute @AnusNdaPainus
You two are fighting like kids. You are both wrong here.
Men wrong woman too you know. And a good man wouldn't do it.
And woman also wronged men as well.

Tell me something you two. All this hue and cry on YouTube about men and women and antagonizing them but we forget about something important.

Real independent woman are the ones who despite being widowed or divorced worked 7 days and brought up their children right. All the while avoiding sleeping around and becoming prostitutes or advocating onlyfans. Why you don't see them? Because they don't show their faces on the internet for likes.

Same for men, the good men I myself have seen have taken care of entire families including their own and still not ask anything in return or recognition. Get out of your chairs and see the world throw the window instead of in a mirror we call YouTube or TikTok. Yes, YouTube will turn you and me crazy because it keeps bombarding us with same information and that's how it's algorithm works

[monorprise]

Have you ever met a man who hasn't been either abused, cheated on, ghosted, insulted, controlled, bullied, used, mocked, belittled, drudged by someone regardless of sex in their life?

Not sure I ever have... There are bullies in the real world hopefully you learned to deal with them as a kid when they only beat you up. If you didn't you are going to have to Grow up and learn to deal with the world of adults.

[AnusNdaPainus]

@AmeerX then tell me why 90 percent of incarceration rates are from single mother homes runaways , substance abusers etc.

Just because you don’t see these issues doesn’t mean they aren’t real problems young men don’t even want to date anymore and that’s a BIG PROBLEM

I don’t even have a strong social media presence the numbers and stats I bring are from real world experiences

[AnusNdaPainus]

Exactly! This is why women from other countries don’t feel entitled to a man’s provision and protection

You’d have to find the gutter trash and scum of mankind to meet a man who if he had everything would keep a single dime away from his wife and children

[catarecute]

@AnusNdaPainus its the opposite, its because they are on drugs that they got knocked up and because they were on drugs they became criminals. the man should have never taken advantage of the drugged up girl.

[AmeerX]

@AnusNdaPainus why are you so 💢😡?
Calm down.
Lots of women, good women are in your country. You idolize Asian women but you forget we have problems too.
Where American girl will probably be busy about independence or feminism, the Asian will be on a whole new boss Level over 9000.
Where American still contributes, Asian women will bleed you dry and not spend any of her money on the children so much as medicine. Stop fantasizing Asian women.

You should be happy to have a woman who loves and lives.
Look, I had not had much luck in my relationship but I am not bitter about it

[AmeerX]

@catarecute I see a lack of control in your argument. Fine they were drugged, but they need to a kid risky places too. I am not blaming them just that making themselves overly vulnerable is also a problem but not a woman's fault

[catarecute]

@AmeerX they have a drug addiction, thats not easy to control.

[AmeerX]

@catarecute it's alright that's all the more reason to help them out.

[AnusNdaPainus]

Right 🙄 grown women aren’t capable of making their own decisions and therefore shouldn’t be held accountable for them

Are you freaking kidding me?

[AnusNdaPainus]

@AmeerX Asian women are having the same problem this shit happened in china and Japan first where men of warrior age would rather play video games than take a woman out on a date

[AnusNdaPainus]

@AmeerX help them out by giving them a father

[AmeerX]

@AnusNdaPainus well, so sorry but if it did, they should understand that it's their fault.

[havingfun2023]

I'm grateful that many women can be nowadays, and many don't "have to" be either. For those go-getter women, let them. For those women who prefer to be stand-backs, let those women stand back. I see how they all have their use. Think about it from a tax man perspective, I'm not one, and it adds less pieces to a puzzle. Lol, the agenda's out there 👀👀

[Anonymous]

NO. I've been single over 7 years. Despite being an attractive a loyal girl. I always get slightly jealous when others talk about their "supportive" spouse.

Basically when you're coupled up yku have "Social Security"

Someone to help carry the load, 2 Brian's are better than 1.

[KrakenAttackin]

Two Brian's? 😉

[MrOracle]

[Opinion Owner]

@KrakenAttackin 2 🧠 are better than 1. Best for problem solving and getting g through the Hell of life.

[Opinion Owner]

@MrOracle 😉 Thanks

[monorprise]

This is true, sorry you haven't found anyone in soo long.

[jshm2]

What she means to say is that she want's to be a "wifey". Which is great, if she can find the charm to get herself a man into that.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/ULDiDxgYLgI

[apahe4]

Depends on what scenario we’re talking about. For example, wanna be strong and independent on making a living for myself and being able to provide for myself in the near future (since I’m still a minor obv) but then again I’d wanna be dependent on my partner whenever I need to, the same way he’d want to depend on me whenever he needs it.

[Anonymous]

As a woman do you really want to leave your little babies in the care of some other woman? A woman who at best only half pays attention to them as they try to juggle 15 other kids. Something you basically buy a new car every year for said service.

What kind of mom doesn't want to be there for her baby? So see her smile, to nurture her when she cries, to insure she is always loved?

[Radiate143]

It kind of happens over the course of life. Most of us didn't have the luxury of choosing. It became a necessity.

[MJtheCoach]

NO THEY DONT! women dont mean what they say most of the time. When they say these things is because they want men to step up. But men listen to women like they're men.

THEY'RE NOT!

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[HappyWoman34]

I wouldn’t call myself a feminist, I was just brought up to be independent and I’m an only child and autistic, so I’m used to thinking for myself. Some women do, others don’t.

[Anonymous]

I think most don't, but I think a notable and unfortunate amount of women (often from a very early age) are told not being strong and independent is bad and shameful, incentivizing these girls/women down a particular route.

That's not to say there aren't naturally occuring strong and independent women, there are, I just think most naturally are not and that's okay. It's admirable, even. I even have fonder expressions but I'll bite my tongue for the time being.

[FreyaRed]

No, there is nothing better than being dependent on someone's income, mood and whims.

[KostasKouvalis]

Some do, but traditional women want her husband to work and support the family and in return, she takes care of the house and children and gives him sex

[TaureanBull81]

Of course they do lol! 🤣

The woke BS feminist movement jargon was totally bought into and now most women are suddenly realising that they actually do need men in their lives.

Wake up ladies 🚺 🤪

[Anonymous]

yes i like being strong and independent because for all my life all i've been doing is having to wait on men, wait for them to do this or that, when really i can just go do it myself and get it done faster. i was sick of it.

[MikeTheBartender]

If she makes me happy and we get along I really don't care if she's strong and independent or broke.

[BCRanger10]

I wonder if a lot of them are told that's what they should want.