Life is tough. Men who are MGTOWs are cowardly by taking themselves out of the game. If there is a battle to be fought regarding men and how they are mistreated, then fight it instead of becoming disengaged cowards! Or, better, realize that there was no battle and learn to be empathetic towards women (and minorities and anyone else who is not a white male). When you mature, you gain empathy and you can begin to understand others and make peace with them.
You wanna get a girlfriend? Follow this recipe: 1. Listen to her. Just listen. She needs that more than you solving her problems. 2. Make her laugh. 3. Be manly enough to give her the support she needs when she asks for it, but 4. Give her the freedom to discover and be herself (so don't be a whiny or argumentative control freak which lots of men are).
For the record I am active duty and have served with the best of men and even they breakdown because their wives leave them and take everything away. But somehow it’s their fault, I don’t think so.
Hey, I'm sorry regarding what you went through. I never claimed women were angels...
In fact, her leaving you is indicative of a generational problem that got serious with boomers and since - being immature and giving up. That sounds like what your woman did to you.
Realize many women are not like that and donvt give up on them by becoming a MGTOW.
It didn’t happen to me but my best friends went through it. I’m not going to blame it on them nor do I blame women. There are many women who are abusers but it’s not their fault. They’re just trying to find the best men they can get. My point is telling people to grow up is not a valid solution.
Watch this scene from one of the greatest movies ever made, "The Best Years of Our Lives" which was the Best Picture of 1946.
In this scene, Homer shows Wilma about his life after his injuries in WW II. Wilma was his girlfriend before the war, but he wants to break up with her now to spare her from being a husband of a "helpless cripple". She has courage though... https://youtu.be/t-VB9JnppAU
That’s a movie and I think the problem is you are from a different era where divorces were much lower and people were much more loyal. Now, it’s very difficult for people to trust one another. With the great divide in politics bleeding into every aspect of society, the division widens
That is a movie but it echoed what happened and still happens. Yes, there is a change for the worse in some ways and better in others. In a nutshell, in both cases, it's freedom. We have more freedom which is good but we now have more freedom to remain immature and, which improvements in technology, be lazier and undisciplined not wanting to put in the efforts for things such as the work needed for relationships.
Being in the military, you understand and discipline and work. Continue to be that man. A MGTOW will not. Yes, relationships require two people and one may be lazy, undisciplined, and immature. But, there are those who are not - no matter what the generation or year. Don't give up but find that woman. Don't write them all off.
"The question then rests in what is the solution for these lonely men? Suicide is one of them and evidence shows a lot of men commit suicide. Yet, this is not healthy."
Not healthy :D Excellent choice of words! The solution? As if there is one and only one solution? Such a limited sight is certainly part of the problem.
This whole article is trying to make it look like this MGTOW topic is somehow isolated from one's every other part of daily life. Are these men committing suicide just because of this one issue? I don't think so.
"At the end of the day, we ought to help these men and currently, only MGTOW appears to have a logical solution." Suicide being one of the LOGICAL solutions? oh brother..
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if clearly these lonely men rests their entire purpose on sex and relationship And they fail In fulfilling that purpose is not ending their life to ease a pain a logical solution?
What am I caretaker, now? Shall I rent out a whorehouse for these 'men'? Sex is, after all, a lifechanging experience, isn't it?
I see no purpose in trying to help those that don't want to help themselves. I see that as a logical resolution. What I see in this article is a lot of fingerpointing. Women this, women that, "society" hates us.. blaa blaa blaa blaa.
Well, if guys want to do that and are happy with it, more power to them. It's not for me, though, although I'd certainly agree that marriage is a bad deal for men unless they need a visa and have no other way to get it.
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It’s not for everyone and not meant to be. It’s an option for those who have failed to find a relationship
We already know this... There have been countless 'MyTakes' on this topic on this site... most of them revealing a victim mentality and misogyny... No surprise there.
It's not a victim mentality if they're demonstrably victimized. It's not misogyny if the point of this is to avoid harm -- not because they hate women.
I never think of it that way. I am not married because it would be too expensive, a wife gets old, whereas my girlfriends never do, and I like some variety.
Several women have lived with me and my current girlfriend would be living with me right now if it were not for the commute to her school being inconvenient for her. Several women have wanted to marry me, even before I was rich. My current girlfriend would marry me literally tomorrow if I asked her.
Sounds like a cult. Like in pich perfect how they couldn't go after the trebles. Can you leave MGTOW if you find someone? A temporar bus shelter for those who are feeling forsaken by love? Did their parents not have a set by example stellar relationship? Someone down the line must have for them to be born though.. But logically it would help the human race die out and that would be good news for everyone.
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It’s a lifestyle and not a cult; there’s no god to worship. Just some guidelines
You don't leave MGTOW because you don't join MGTOW. It's an outlined personal philosophy, you just do it. Like here's a bunch of ideas you might like to take on board as a suggestion, take it or leave it or half-ass it, whatever, that's all.
Many became MGTOW after things went sideways, very few guys are just automatically MGTOW their whole life because of a family situation.
No one is proposing it as a philosophy everyone should be involved in. It's understood that it doesn't make for continuity of the species, but it keeps you safe until culture and society changes. Like weathering a storm.
You can call it a cult if you want but that is to say it has a evil motive behind the MGTOW movement but what is the goal of MGTOW? Is it too convince people to buy something or sacrifice something? No, it’s a suggestion of a way of life to solve a problem
The present system provides a fertile breeding ground for movements like MGTOW. The truth, however, is: Disfranchising men in favour of women and Disfranchising women in men's favour are alike, swollen with the poison of hypocrisy and ultimately self-defeating and futile.
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True but the reality is men need to survive but if they are constantly attacked, what can they do?
Well i consider myself a MGTOW, but really and honestly the main and most necessary principle of the MGTOW is the third one, or finding your purpose in life, while i am not strict about number one or two and if someone good enought to fit my lifestyle appears and i had a chance i wouldn´t dismiss it, number 3 is the real pillar of MGTOW and people that follow this path should focus on finding their purpose in life instead of bashing women in social media like Gag, reddit and so on.
For one thing, the abbreviation needs to be changed to 'WGTOW' -- wimps going their own way... lol. I'm what you would call an incel by choice, because not getting any pussy just makes me so sweet and attentive, etc. However, I don't hold any grudges against women for my lowly status, because it's what I want anyway.
Can MGTOW cure incels? I feel MGTOW is not a place for them, because they are involuntarily celibates, while MGTOW suggests a lifestyle to me where the guys do get to have sex, but they don't want marriage.
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MGTOW can have sex but the focus is more on finding one’s meaning without the necessity of having sex.
and MGTOW as was first conceived in Japan has a very specific political agenda to change the way men were being unfairly financially burdened first in relationships and then a higher tax rate implemented on single men
You can't deny most of those points are real. Now, making it a way of life? Nah. I might be a dreamer, but despite having met only bitches in my life, I still think they're not all the same. And I wouldn't want to miss the chance to meet a good one. Does society favors and protect women? Clearly. But backing off and doing nothing won't fix this.
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As long as you understand the risks of relationship, that’s your right. Feminism won a long time ago and the assault on western men will continue. The only way this is solved is if society erodes. The MRA has failed.
you come in a gynocentric dating site to preach your mgtow nonsense? dude you lack at logic. if this was your working environment without the anonymity of the internet you'd be crucified. discretion is your friend.
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Of course, that’s why I present the information because of anonymity; otherwise I would tow the line
Very good explanation. I still think it's a cop-out, but I get it.
I've been chasing skirts since I was a teenager. Just love pussy. :) But there comes a time when the fucking you're getting isn't worth the fucking you're getting. LOL
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Sir, it’s not a cop out; a cop out is what that man did with the van or Eliot Rodgers did.
Although they make some decent socio-political points. Majority of MGTOWs are sell outs they still chase and copulate with women. If they didn't go through that traumatic experience with women MGTOW wouldn't exist. Incels are better MGTOWs than MGTOW themselves. MGTOW is still young we incels have been preaching red pill facts since the 1900s. The mgtow monks however I have huge respect for.
You're calling the shots in a few decades. if it goes well, you've change the world. If not, you fucked up a lot of people and future generations. Then something balances out your damage.
Don't see this happening personality, but I see a lot of thought went into it so I wish you well.
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MGTOWs need to grow up.
Stop being douches and you'll get along with women just fine and even get laid.
Life is unfair. Stop whining.
I appreciate you proving the “man up” and shaming concept
You're welcome. MGTOWs DO need to man-up. Maybe women are smelling the lack of cojones which is why MGTIWs can't get far with them.
Do you tell veterans the same thing?
What do veterans have to do with having a shitty and immature attitude toward women?
Telling them to man up
You are young and have much to learn.
Here's a lesson from a very famous veteran:
https://youtu.be/YrtS2_TfbeY
Life is tough. Men who are MGTOWs are cowardly by taking themselves out of the game. If there is a battle to be fought regarding men and how they are mistreated, then fight it instead of becoming disengaged cowards! Or, better, realize that there was no battle and learn to be empathetic towards women (and minorities and anyone else who is not a white male). When you mature, you gain empathy and you can begin to understand others and make peace with them.
You wanna get a girlfriend? Follow this recipe:
1. Listen to her. Just listen. She needs that more than you solving her problems.
2. Make her laugh.
3. Be manly enough to give her the support she needs when she asks for it, but
4. Give her the freedom to discover and be herself (so don't be a whiny or argumentative control freak which lots of men are).
Except when you are accused of rape and everyone abandons you, what then?
For the record I am active duty and have served with the best of men and even they breakdown because their wives leave them and take everything away. But somehow it’s their fault, I don’t think so.
Hey, I'm sorry regarding what you went through. I never claimed women were angels...
In fact, her leaving you is indicative of a generational problem that got serious with boomers and since - being immature and giving up. That sounds like what your woman did to you.
Realize many women are not like that and donvt give up on them by becoming a MGTOW.
It didn’t happen to me but my best friends went through it. I’m not going to blame it on them nor do I blame women. There are many women who are abusers but it’s not their fault. They’re just trying to find the best men they can get. My point is telling people to grow up is not a valid solution.
Watch this scene from one of the greatest movies ever made, "The Best Years of Our Lives" which was the Best Picture of 1946.
In this scene, Homer shows Wilma about his life after his injuries in WW II. Wilma was his girlfriend before the war, but he wants to break up with her now to spare her from being a husband of a "helpless cripple". She has courage though...
https://youtu.be/t-VB9JnppAU
That’s a movie and I think the problem is you are from a different era where divorces were much lower and people were much more loyal. Now, it’s very difficult for people to trust one another. With the great divide in politics bleeding into every aspect of society, the division widens
That is a movie but it echoed what happened and still happens. Yes, there is a change for the worse in some ways and better in others. In a nutshell, in both cases, it's freedom. We have more freedom which is good but we now have more freedom to remain immature and, which improvements in technology, be lazier and undisciplined not wanting to put in the efforts for things such as the work needed for relationships.
Being in the military, you understand and discipline and work. Continue to be that man. A MGTOW will not. Yes, relationships require two people and one may be lazy, undisciplined, and immature. But, there are those who are not - no matter what the generation or year. Don't give up but find that woman. Don't write them all off.
Me personally I’m not part of the movement but I understand the perspective; I’m not going to actively seek marriage because there are no benefits.
"The question then rests in what is the solution for these lonely men? Suicide is one of them and evidence shows a lot of men commit suicide. Yet, this is not healthy."
Not healthy :D Excellent choice of words!
The solution? As if there is one and only one solution? Such a limited sight is certainly part of the problem.
This whole article is trying to make it look like this MGTOW topic is somehow isolated from one's every other part of daily life. Are these men committing suicide just because of this one issue? I don't think so.
"At the end of the day, we ought to help these men and currently, only MGTOW appears to have a logical solution."
Suicide being one of the LOGICAL solutions?
oh brother..
if clearly these lonely men rests their entire purpose on sex and relationship And they fail In fulfilling that purpose is not ending their life to ease a pain a logical solution?
What the hell is with this recent trend of 'tear baiting'? Oh boohoo, he hasn't had sex, surely that's a reason to commit suicide.
Thanks for proving my point; shaming these men without any resolution is not going to solve the problem.
What am I caretaker, now? Shall I rent out a whorehouse for these 'men'? Sex is, after all, a lifechanging experience, isn't it?
I see no purpose in trying to help those that don't want to help themselves. I see that as a logical resolution.
What I see in this article is a lot of fingerpointing. Women this, women that, "society" hates us.. blaa blaa blaa blaa.
That’s where MGTOW comes in for them; it’s a solution
Well, if guys want to do that and are happy with it, more power to them. It's not for me, though, although I'd certainly agree that marriage is a bad deal for men unless they need a visa and have no other way to get it.
It’s not for everyone and not meant to be. It’s an option for those who have failed to find a relationship
Men judge women by their natural merits like personality and physical beauty.
Women primarily judge men based on... HYPERGOMY.
I am a sexy and attractive guy. Beautiful women have sex with me but won't be long term official because I dont have a car.
We already know this...
There have been countless 'MyTakes' on this topic on this site... most of them revealing a victim mentality and misogyny... No surprise there.
Okay...”great incite”
It's not a victim mentality if they're demonstrably victimized.
It's not misogyny if the point of this is to avoid harm -- not because they hate women.
I never think of it that way. I am not married because it would be too expensive, a wife gets old, whereas my girlfriends never do, and I like some variety.
Several women have lived with me and my current girlfriend would be living with me right now if it were not for the commute to her school being inconvenient for her. Several women have wanted to marry me, even before I was rich. My current girlfriend would marry me literally tomorrow if I asked her.
Don’t do it
Don't get married. Just by a woman that hates you a house.
Sounds like a cult.
Like in pich perfect how they couldn't go after the trebles.
Can you leave MGTOW if you find someone?
A temporar bus shelter for those who are feeling forsaken by love?
Did their parents not have a set by example stellar relationship? Someone down the line must have for them to be born though..
But logically it would help the human race die out and that would be good news for everyone.
It’s a lifestyle and not a cult; there’s no god to worship. Just some guidelines
Guidelines.. so does that mean you pick and choose aspects you want to follow?
How ld do you have to be? Do siblings and parents count?
That’s up to the individual man but generally they follow the principle o have listed above
Can a woman be MGTOW?
It would be WGTOW
You don't leave MGTOW because you don't join MGTOW. It's an outlined personal philosophy, you just do it. Like here's a bunch of ideas you might like to take on board as a suggestion, take it or leave it or half-ass it, whatever, that's all.
Many became MGTOW after things went sideways, very few guys are just automatically MGTOW their whole life because of a family situation.
No one is proposing it as a philosophy everyone should be involved in. It's understood that it doesn't make for continuity of the species, but it keeps you safe until culture and society changes. Like weathering a storm.
amway is cult
What it stand for? I only read the numbered points.. . sorry
"It’s a lifestyle and not a cult; there’s no god to worship. Just some guidelines "
Amway is a financial cult nothing to do with god worship.
@burnitdown What you gettin at?
@burnitdown it’s a pyramid scheme
You can call it a cult if you want but that is to say it has a evil motive behind the MGTOW movement but what is the goal of MGTOW? Is it too convince people to buy something or sacrifice something? No, it’s a suggestion of a way of life to solve a problem
The problem isn't everyone though.
Also sorry I see what you were getting at now :)
Of course it's not everyone's fault, but it's a similar sentiment of the black community and the police.
What theyre just gonna ignore each other now are they? I see that working swimmingly.
The present system provides a fertile breeding ground for movements like MGTOW. The truth, however, is: Disfranchising men in favour of women and Disfranchising women in men's favour are alike, swollen with the poison of hypocrisy and ultimately self-defeating and futile.
True but the reality is men need to survive but if they are constantly attacked, what can they do?
Well i consider myself a MGTOW, but really and honestly the main and most necessary principle of the MGTOW is the third one, or finding your purpose in life, while i am not strict about number one or two and if someone good enought to fit my lifestyle appears and i had a chance i wouldn´t dismiss it, number 3 is the real pillar of MGTOW and people that follow this path should focus on finding their purpose in life instead of bashing women in social media like Gag, reddit and so on.
For one thing, the abbreviation needs to be changed to 'WGTOW' -- wimps going their own way... lol. I'm what you would call an incel by choice, because not getting any pussy just makes me so sweet and attentive, etc. However, I don't hold any grudges against women for my lowly status, because it's what I want anyway.
MGTOW is the way for any smart, self-respecting man. However, the MGTOW community is pretty cancerous.
It’s because men are at different stages of grief in the MGTOW community
Women already had their Liberation from all responsibilities to society, while still holding men to theirs.
Think of MGTOW as men's Liberation.
We don't owe you anything.
Can MGTOW cure incels? I feel MGTOW is not a place for them, because they are involuntarily celibates, while MGTOW suggests a lifestyle to me where the guys do get to have sex, but they don't want marriage.
MGTOW can have sex but the focus is more on finding one’s meaning without the necessity of having sex.
I see. Sounds a lot like what nuns/monks/priests do minus the religion.
you are right MGTOW is no place for us incels
@TheUglyMan it’s an option
They are a bunch of whiny religious crybabies who hate women
Go live in Saudi Arabia, they treat women like shit
You didn’t read the take did you?
Not want to read a bunch of garbage
Well then why comment on something if you didn’t read it. That’s just ignorant
He likes getting tied up and fucked in the ass by women. Just ignore this clown he's a cuck.
and MGTOW as was first conceived in Japan has a very specific political agenda to change the way men were being unfairly financially burdened first in relationships and then a higher tax rate implemented on single men
You can't deny most of those points are real. Now, making it a way of life? Nah. I might be a dreamer, but despite having met only bitches in my life, I still think they're not all the same. And I wouldn't want to miss the chance to meet a good one.
Does society favors and protect women? Clearly. But backing off and doing nothing won't fix this.
As long as you understand the risks of relationship, that’s your right. Feminism won a long time ago and the assault on western men will continue. The only way this is solved is if society erodes. The MRA has failed.
you come in a gynocentric dating site to preach your mgtow nonsense? dude you lack at logic. if this was your working environment without the anonymity of the internet you'd be crucified. discretion is your friend.
Of course, that’s why I present the information because of anonymity; otherwise I would tow the line
GAG is a dating site?
Very good explanation.
I still think it's a cop-out, but I get it.
I've been chasing skirts since I was a teenager. Just love pussy. :)
But there comes a time when the fucking you're getting isn't worth the fucking you're getting. LOL
Sir, it’s not a cop out; a cop out is what that man did with the van or Eliot Rodgers did.
Although they make some decent socio-political points. Majority of MGTOWs are sell outs they still chase and copulate with women. If they didn't go through that traumatic experience with women MGTOW wouldn't exist. Incels are better MGTOWs than MGTOW themselves. MGTOW is still young we incels have been preaching red pill facts since the 1900s. The mgtow monks however I have huge respect for.
You're calling the shots in a few decades. if it goes well, you've change the world. If not, you fucked up a lot of people and future generations.
Then something balances out your damage.
Don't see this happening personality, but I see a lot of thought went into it so I wish you well.