I think adopted fathers should be expected to pay for the child. Seeing as they agreed to take on the responsibility. What I disagree with is men who aren't adopted fathers being forced to pay for another man's child simply because they lived with their mother. I don't think anyone should be forced to pay for a child that isn't theirs, unless they agreed to take on that responsibility.
"women go around provoking to get fucked by dressing up provocatively"
-Can you hear yourself?
"blame the guy for knocking them up?"
-Who else can they 'blame'? Me? DNA don't lie.
"men should be collecting child support from women for provoking us men."
- You are provoking me, aren't you? I should be financially compensated.
'Your Honor, the money was just sitting there teasing me, provoking me to steal it. Ofc I couldn't help but steal it. Can you blame me for taking it? It HAD to be taken! If I didn't take it, then some other guy would. The person who left the money should be punished, not me, who actually stole it. Afterall, if they had not left the money I would not have taken it. So I'm innocent. Thank you, The Defence rests.'
@Guardian45 I dont know what ur trying to tell me, are u telling me that men are guilty for women getting pregnant?, ill tell u outloud, IM NOT INTERESTED!. im not interested in going back in fourth with you. im right, ur wrong, and thats end of discussion.
That is the most selfish, ludicrous idea ever. Unless you have the only child on the planet who doesn't wear clothes, get sick, eat, drink, go to school, or need anything at all and lives in the forest.
Nope, if a guy helped make a kid, he's responsible for it's well being. Thus, he must pay. The only situation where he shouldn't pay is if it was paternity fraud or if the woman lied about contraception.
If the woman makes a lot more money than the man & he don’t want his child & the woman may not want him to pay. I wonder if guys pay child support in France.
This is one of the biggest reasons why men are afraid of marriages nowadays. If the courts weren’t so biased in favor of women then I believe that the marriage rate would skyrocket overnight.
Pink: Where I live, the man can sign away his rights, and still be liable for child support. I also don't understand why a real man would want to walk away from his child and not try to at least financially support him/her. If you have sex, then you accept the responsibility of a possible pregnancy, and all that goes with it. Just as you have responsibility for a spent arrow and spoken words.
@nathanp97" What is a financial abortion right? Does that mean he has the responsibility to pay for an abortion? If that is the case, I know of no place where that is the case.
It was proposed in Sweden. Basically it allows the man to opt of all parental responsibilities including paying for the kid. It has nothing to do with paying for an abortion.
I totally agree with you that both parties should take responsibility but that often times isn't the case. In the US either party has the right to sign away their parental rights. As a mother myself I wouldn't force someone to be in my children's lives. Thankfully my ex is a better dad than he was a spouse.
You can sign away your parental rights, but you can still get stuck paying child support, unless the other parent decides not to get child support payments from you.
@nathanp97 : That's because the courts are concerned about the welfare of the innocent child, more than the parents who were involved in the conceiving, who knew they were taking a chance of pregnancy when having sex.
@nathanp97 : A fetus is in the woman, not the man. She is the one who will bear the child if it is to be born. It's her body that will go through massive change during pregnancy. That's why it is her choice.
And when it is born it is the guys life, his money, his time. If he isn't ready he shouldn't have to be responsible for it. It is sexist to say that women have a choice with what happens in their life and men don't. Why are men held responsible for their mistakes, but women aren't.
@nathanp97 : You are voicing the age old dilemma of some guys. They want the pleasure to fuck and fuck, but don't want the responsibility of the results. It's the difference between being selfishly immature, and being a responsible person adult, particularly a responsible parent.
@nathanp97 : That is what you said, not what I said. There are many reasons for getting an abortion, being immature is only one possibility. But the real issue is, once the child is born, the child deserves proper financial and emotional support. We don't have slavery, and we can't make a parent give emotional support. But a parent can be made to give financial support that the child needs. It's best if the get both from each parent.
You said it about men, so I just changed it to be about women, so is is what you said. Yes, and if a family can't or won't provided that they shouldn't bring a kid into the world. Forcing a man to pay/take care of a kid they don't want sounds like slavery to me. If you don't ever want to be in your kids life are you really a parent? You are the biological dad, but that is it. At sperm clinics the biological father isn't responsible for the kid, because the mother knows that going in, so if the mother gets pregnant and has the option to get an abortion and chooses not to, knowing the father won't be giving any support than it is the same thing.
@nathanp97 : Your argument sounds like that of a narcissist. Do what I want, have sex with whom I please, and never have any responsibility for my actions. Let the child wither on the vine, I don't care, as long as I don't have to take responsibility for my actions.
@nathanp97 : You seem oblivious to the fact, that women are the one's that get pregnant, but only with a man being involved. Of course the woman has more choices, as she is taking on all of the physical burned and the massive changes that will take place in her body. I'm beginning to wonder if you are capable of empathy for a child or pregnant woman. Like I said, your argument seems like the argument that a narcissist would make.
So men aren't burdened by kids and don't suffer massive changes? Many women get abortions because they aren't ready for kids. They want a career and education before they have kids, wouldn't it make sense to give men that option. She can still decide to have or not have the kid when the man tells her he won't be giving her any support.
How am I a narcissist? I'm not talking about myself or my problems. I'm trying to protect men in general from having to provide for a kid they never wanted all because the women wanted it. Any feminist should support it because it gives men freedom of choice and the rights to their lives. Unless feminists really don't give a crap about men.
What should be outlawed is child support without visitation. What I went through was them telling me that support was mandated but there was no provision about visitation. Very one sided.
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No, however guys shouldn't have to pay for kids that aren't biologically theirs.
While I agree in principle with what you are saying, in the eyes of the law that can be a slippery slope.
For example, what about adoptive fathers?
I think adopted fathers should be expected to pay for the child. Seeing as they agreed to take on the responsibility.
What I disagree with is men who aren't adopted fathers being forced to pay for another man's child simply because they lived with their mother. I don't think anyone should be forced to pay for a child that isn't theirs, unless they agreed to take on that responsibility.
How did they not agree? A real mother doesn't choose to abandon her own child. It's one option only; she comes with the child.
If such a woman exists, that doesn't want her own child, then I don't want anything to do with her.
it should! because women should and can keep their legs closed.
women go around provoking to get fucked by dressing up provocatively, and then blame the guy for knocking them up?
if anything, us men should be collecting child support from women for provoking us men.
Hmm. Ever heard of coercion, rape, or incest? Or are you living in Alabama?
@Guardian45 no, im from Georgia.
@rufurrealz.
Women "can keep their legs closed".
- Are you for real?
"women go around provoking to get fucked by dressing up provocatively"
-Can you hear yourself?
"blame the guy for knocking them up?"
-Who else can they 'blame'? Me? DNA don't lie.
"men should be collecting child support from women for provoking us men."
- You are provoking me, aren't you? I should be financially compensated.
'Your Honor, the money was just sitting there teasing me, provoking me to steal it. Ofc I couldn't help but steal it. Can you blame me for taking it? It HAD to be taken! If I didn't take it, then some other guy would. The person who left the money should be punished, not me, who actually stole it. Afterall, if they had not left the money I would not have taken it. So I'm innocent. Thank you, The Defence rests.'
@Guardian45 I dont know what ur trying to tell me, are u telling me that men are guilty for women getting pregnant?, ill tell u outloud, IM NOT INTERESTED!. im not interested in going back in fourth with you. im right, ur wrong, and thats end of discussion.
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@Guardian45 no, i am correct.
That is the most selfish, ludicrous idea ever. Unless you have the only child on the planet who doesn't wear clothes, get sick, eat, drink, go to school, or need anything at all and lives in the forest.
Nope, if a guy helped make a kid, he's responsible for it's well being. Thus, he must pay.
The only situation where he shouldn't pay is if it was paternity fraud or if the woman lied about contraception.
If the woman makes a lot more money than the man & he don’t want his child & the woman may not want him to pay. I wonder if guys pay child support in France.
This is one of the biggest reasons why men are afraid of marriages nowadays. If the courts weren’t so biased in favor of women then I believe that the marriage rate would skyrocket overnight.
Men do have the option to walk away and not pay child support by signing away their rights.
Pink: Where I live, the man can sign away his rights, and still be liable for child support. I also don't understand why a real man would want to walk away from his child and not try to at least financially support him/her. If you have sex, then you accept the responsibility of a possible pregnancy, and all that goes with it. Just as you have responsibility for a spent arrow and spoken words.
Not true. I don't know any country that has financial abortion rights for men.
@nathanp97" What is a financial abortion right? Does that mean he has the responsibility to pay for an abortion? If that is the case, I know of no place where that is the case.
It was proposed in Sweden. Basically it allows the man to opt of all parental responsibilities including paying for the kid. It has nothing to do with paying for an abortion.
@nathanp97 : Kind of a like a guy having a fuck all he wants, and get away free card. Leave all the responsibility on the woman.
It's no different from women having an abortion. You can't support abortions but not financial abortions because that's hypocritical.
I totally agree with you that both parties should take responsibility but that often times isn't the case. In the US either party has the right to sign away their parental rights. As a mother myself I wouldn't force someone to be in my children's lives. Thankfully my ex is a better dad than he was a spouse.
You can sign away your parental rights, but you can still get stuck paying child support, unless the other parent decides not to get child support payments from you.
@nathanp97 : That's because the courts are concerned about the welfare of the innocent child, more than the parents who were involved in the conceiving, who knew they were taking a chance of pregnancy when having sex.
Yet abortions are okay?
@nathanp97 : A fetus is in the woman, not the man. She is the one who will bear the child if it is to be born. It's her body that will go through massive change during pregnancy. That's why it is her choice.
And when it is born it is the guys life, his money, his time. If he isn't ready he shouldn't have to be responsible for it. It is sexist to say that women have a choice with what happens in their life and men don't. Why are men held responsible for their mistakes, but women aren't.
@nathanp97 : You are voicing the age old dilemma of some guys. They want the pleasure to fuck and fuck, but don't want the responsibility of the results. It's the difference between being selfishly immature, and being a responsible person adult, particularly a responsible parent.
So any women who gets a non medically needed abortion is selfishly immature and is irresponsible? Feminists must love you😂
@nathanp97 : That is what you said, not what I said. There are many reasons for getting an abortion, being immature is only one possibility. But the real issue is, once the child is born, the child deserves proper financial and emotional support. We don't have slavery, and we can't make a parent give emotional support. But a parent can be made to give financial support that the child needs. It's best if the get both from each parent.
You said it about men, so I just changed it to be about women, so is is what you said. Yes, and if a family can't or won't provided that they shouldn't bring a kid into the world. Forcing a man to pay/take care of a kid they don't want sounds like slavery to me. If you don't ever want to be in your kids life are you really a parent? You are the biological dad, but that is it.
At sperm clinics the biological father isn't responsible for the kid, because the mother knows that going in, so if the mother gets pregnant and has the option to get an abortion and chooses not to, knowing the father won't be giving any support than it is the same thing.
@nathanp97 : Your argument sounds like that of a narcissist. Do what I want, have sex with whom I please, and never have any responsibility for my actions. Let the child wither on the vine, I don't care, as long as I don't have to take responsibility for my actions.
And how is a women getting an abortion any different? What's with you and double standards?
@nathanp97 : You seem oblivious to the fact, that women are the one's that get pregnant, but only with a man being involved. Of course the woman has more choices, as she is taking on all of the physical burned and the massive changes that will take place in her body. I'm beginning to wonder if you are capable of empathy for a child or pregnant woman. Like I said, your argument seems like the argument that a narcissist would make.
So men aren't burdened by kids and don't suffer massive changes? Many women get abortions because they aren't ready for kids. They want a career and education before they have kids, wouldn't it make sense to give men that option. She can still decide to have or not have the kid when the man tells her he won't be giving her any support.
How am I a narcissist? I'm not talking about myself or my problems. I'm trying to protect men in general from having to provide for a kid they never wanted all because the women wanted it. Any feminist should support it because it gives men freedom of choice and the rights to their lives. Unless feminists really don't give a crap about men.
It should be voluntary; iff the father wants to pay.
His wallet, his choice.
His seed, his choice.
#HisSeedHisChoice
Nope, if i get a Woman/ Girl pregnant i expect to support my child
My father was forced to pay child support. I am not going to feel bad that he was forced to contribute to my upbringing.
No. Why should responsible people be taxed to support kids because the mom and dad were irresponsible? Let them support their own offspring.
Why? If you created someone, you should be responsible for and held accountable for them.
If you don't like it, suck it up!
There are TOO MANY deadbeat parents! Not to mention screwed up children!
What should be outlawed is child support without visitation. What I went through was them telling me that support was mandated but there was no provision about visitation. Very one sided.
Not banned per se, but more regulated. Those paying child support should be able to verify the money is being spent on the child
Yes, maybe replace it with tax credits. If you can't support kids, don't have them.
Disregard the above. I was thinking about child benefits for some reason. Of course child support needs to be a thing.
Absolutely! It is abused constantly, and used as a weapon against men all the time.
The system is really messed up but I believe the core values are worth keeping for the child's sake
No, but the government should pay, and significantly increase it, to incentive high birth rates
If the guy doesn't want the child then he shouldn't have to pay
Men should provide for their children.