I mean guys claim it hurts a lot to be hit in the groin and I do trust them but they usually don't wear a cup.
I mean of course it does not happen very often but I'm a bit confused since it seems it hurts a lot
I was in a lot of sports but I never felt the need to wear a cup. I've never worn one, but I imagine they are uncomfortable. So I wouldn't wear one unless I felt there was a good reason to. I wore a jock strap in wrestling. I can't remember if I wore one in any other sports.
A guy's nuts are not as vulnerable as you may think. In most sports there is no significant risk.
The pain from getting hit in the nuts is more of a sharp shocking pain, kinda like hitting your funny bone but worse. Normally it's not a long lasting pain. Guys react strongly because of the shock. It's possible for it to be a serious injury. But the vast majority of the times it's a relatively short lasting pain with no real injury.
Also, the groin is not the nuts. Men and women both have groins.
Cups tend to protect more for direct hits from the front. Works well for things like a baseball or hockey puck flying at you. Things like soccer or basketball where the issue is more a potential knee or something coming from below it's not as helpful. There are special ones for hockey goalies that protect more from below but they would t be comfortable while running around like in soccer.
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It depends on the sport. When I played baseball, I never wore a cup, unless I was filling in as a catcher, which I seldom did. I was fast enough, and had reflexes good enough, that I was never hit in the balls. That was after a number of years of playing baseball. When it comes to racquetball, etc., wearing a cup would be a hinderance, and the ball would not hurt as much as in baseball. Even with racquetball, having played many hundreds of games, I was only lightly hit in the balls once, and it didn't hurt nearly enough to warrant wearing an uncomfortable cup.
Depends what kind of sport. I've only done soccer and krav maga.
In soccer we only trained with he boys until the age of 12, so I don't know what happened after that, but until then they didn't wear cups. Sometimes a boy would get hit there, it happens, but they move on.
In krav maga things were very different. Guys almost always wore cups, and when they didn't, if they come to regret it, they really regretted it. I had a friend who had the habit of aiming there intentionally if he knew a guy didn't wear one. I thought it was just mean, and I told him that when he forgets his cup they will take revenge, but he said he would never forget the cup, and he never did.
Yes in soccer they move on but it usually causes great pain for a while from what I've seen.
Your friend aimed for the testicles on purpose? Why did the teacher not exclude him? At least I think they have never forgotten the cup again. But I thought the first thing we learn in combat sports was to never hit someone in the testicles because it is very debilitating.
I don't think the instructor new he was doing it on purpose. Groin kicks are part of krav maga, precisely because they're debilitating.
Yes of course in a real fight. But when sparring you're supposed to hold back and especially for a kick to the testicles you need to stop your move before the kick actually reaches the spot.
You never told the instructor of that behaviour? I think a good instructor would still have prevented him from practising kicks to the testicles once he had "accidentally" hurt several guys
It gave the boys extra incentive not to forget their cups
Well I am pretty sure in krav maga, even us girls need to wear protection, it's not a place you are getting kicked and aren't regretting.
Cups can be uncomfortable and restrictive, which may affect how someone performs. I guess wearing one should be optional and up to the guy really. I have done a form of kickboxing for years and cups have always been optional, but I find they affect my movement, my stance and my kicking technique, so I stopped wearing them a long time ago. Guys have a ‘code’ so they don’t go there anyway. Girls don’t have that ‘code’, so the risk of being kicked there is far greater when sparring with girls. But guys have many natural physical advantages over girls, so wearing a cup when sparring with a girl feels a little cowardly. Mostly though I won’t compromise my own performance by wearing something so restrictive. I guess each guy should be able to choose for themselves whether to wear one.
Most martial arts don’t allow groin strikes, but occasionally some do. It is rare, but I train in a form of kickboxing that traditionally allows groin strikes. Cups are optional though, so it’s not an issue for those who wear them. For all the natural physical advantages that guys have over girls, I feel it is a little cowardly to wear a cup when sparring against a girl. Plus I find them a little uncomfortable and restrictive like I said. So yeah, when sparring against girls there is always the risk of a full force kick to the groin. But guys can use their physical advantages too, so it’s pretty fair.
Depends on the sport, and the type of practice it is. I never wore a cup when I played: soccer, basketball, or football. However, I ALWAYS wore a cup whenever I practiced or played hockey. Baseball I wore one when required. I never played catcher so I didn't feel it was necessary.
When I was playing baseball in school (3rd base) I wore a hard cup. I was a good fielder, but not Golden Glove, and a missed line drive could prove painful. My playing days are long over. These days, a pair of jockey shorts worn on the golf course or at the shooting range is does the job.
It depends on the sport, but I would certainly wear one if I was doing something like hockey or baseball where you have some object traveling at you at super high speeds.
For something like martial arts, I would be more inclined to wear one if I was training against another guy. If I was going against a woman, I would only wear it if I was pretty sure she wouldn't know I was wearing a cup. Otherwise I would go with no cup.
It just makes a difference psychologically, not physically. I know it would be a risk to not wear a cup - a big risk even - but I don't like the idea of me wearing extra protection that my opponent doesn't wear, especially if she knew I was wearing it. So against a female I opt for no cup, and I would just try to protect my testicles really well. I really am very, very sensitive to pain there (even a gentle tap on them hurts) but I wouldn't want to feel like I need special measures taken in order to compete.
Yes but you know, we girls don't wear it because though it is painful we surely can take a blow to the groin without being incapacitated to the ground whereas you guys probably can't.
I tend to think you need extra protection, especially when you consider yourself very sensitive to pain and when I see how other guys react to this kind of thing. I'm afraid you won't be able to handle it
Okay so in your case, you are saying a blow to your groin would probably hurt, but you would also probably be able to take the blow without doubling over and continue fighting? Is that right? That's kind of how I would be if I was wearing a good cup... If my female opponent was not going to know that I was wearing a cup I would wear one. And I wouldn't say I'm very sensitive to pain generally, actually I'd say kind of the opposite, that I am quite tough... But my testicles are just kind of my weak spot. You're right that a blow to the testicles would leave me (as you stated) incapacitated on the ground.
What changes if my opponent knew that is that I was wearing a cup while she wasn't, is that it's tantamount to me saying "I can only compete with you if I have some special protection". I have a competitive spirit. I'm admitting this about wearing a cup to you, but not in person lol. The truth is my testicles are so sensitive to pain that if they were to get slapped with the sort of force you would squish a mosquito on your arm with, I would be doubled over in pain just from that. But I would much prefer my female opponent to think I can take a groin kick as well as she can.
I see but to be honest it is not some big secret, she probably knows it.
And what is going to happen if she accidentally lands a low kick. I mean it is not like you are going to pretend it doesn't hurt and keep fighting. I'm sure you'll regret not wearing a cup because of the pain and everyone will see you incapacitated on the ground
You are not wrong about any of that. I definitely would have to make sure above all else that I didn't get kicked down there when I have no cup on, that's for sure. I have good height (6ft 3) so I am able to control distance well when I'm sparring which will help. It might seem silly to you but it hurts my pride a bit to admit to a sparring partner "I can't take a kick to the groin and keep fighting the way you can"... I don't know if you are an athlete of any sort, but if you had a male sparring partner who suggested that both of you wear protective cups, would you do it?
Thank you for being so honest, it is really helpful
I understand it is a pride issue but you guys often have misplaced pride. To be honest you don't have to say anything to your partner. And it is not like you can't compete without protection, it is more like you don't want to be hurt enough to be incapacitated to the ground.
For your idea, I'd be surprised and probably explain it is not needed for girls.
Otherwise I think I could do the opposite as you lol, pretend I wear it and don't do it.
Glad my honesty here can help you :) Yes it might be misplaced pride... You don't think it's realistic that female sparring partners might think I can take a groin kick as well as they can? And that's funny about doing the opposite from me, saying you'll wear a cup but not doing it. Maybe if I was training with you, I would wear a cup and you not but we would each say we were doing the opposite lol.
Personally, I've done mostly boxing and newly started a bit of kick boxing (this has a much higher risk of getting hit in the testicles). I have trained only with one woman so far, three separate times, and I did not wear a cup for any of those spars. But I would consider wearing a cup if I could keep it discreet or if she would wear a cup too (or at least pretend I guess lol). So far I haven't gotten kicked in the testicles. But I don't have a ton of experience yet.
I can't talk for everyone of course but as I said it is well known a groin kick will hurt enough to incapacitate a guy. So, I kinda doubt it but as we girls can't relate to it, everything is possible you know. Maybe if she has never saw it happened before she'll trust you
Good you started kick boxing. If you feel comfortable that way then it is fine. I truly hope you won't regret it later. At least if there is only one girl, there is not much risk
Thanks - but this convo is making me wonder if maybe I should slip in a cup after all... If I could do so in a discrete way and have female opponents not know I need the extra protection. I know you said you wouldn't wear a cup as a female. I assume your opinion is that you would wear a cup if you had testicles.
It wasn't during sports, but years ago I did catch an accidental knee to the groin once from an ex girlfriend. So I have experienced what it's like to be completely incapacitated from the pain of a hit to the testicles. Be very happy you can't relate. lol
You're correct on both points lol. It did hurt like hell. It was one of those hits where not only do your testicles hurt but you also feel horrible pain in the lower abdomen too. She felt really guilty/worried about it, I even got a text about whether I was really okay after I went home that night lol. Fortunately the anatomy was not damaged as I went on to father a baby a few years later.
I got hit by a push kick my opponent threw with just moderate strength, but the bad news is that I was still dropped/incapacitated. She's only about 5'4 or so, I guess it's easy to miss low on a push kick to a 6'3 guy's abdomen. You were right when your warned me. I think I might quit kick boxing and stick with regular boxing.
Yeah I did not return to practice after. It was a pretty direct, compressing hit; I wasn't going to be able to brush it off. And I always get unbelievably intense lower abdominal cramps after getting hit in the testicles, in addition of course to incapacitating pain in the testicles.
I was super embarrassed, I don't know about her. Part of the reason I'm considering giving up the kick boxing thing. I did regular boxing for almost 2 years before.
To be honest not being a guy I only knew about the incapacitating pain. I was just guessing if you don't move it minimizes the cramps.
Maybe you can just wear a cup as now everyone saw you couldn't take the low blow well. So no need to pretend anymore. I feel bad this is the only reason why you give up
Lol I guess she would probably feel very guilty if I quit. I would've felt guilty if I knocked someone down in boxing and they didn't come back. And maybe she will accept my suggestion to both wear groin protectors.
And yes, we sign waivers for this stuff... I'd recommend trying combat sports, even just a little if you have the curiosity to do it.
I guess she ordered me a nutty buddy cup in size xxl. I ordered her one from lobloo in size small. I'm going to wear mine. I will for sure try to land a "cup check" kick to her groin at some point. I hope she wears her cup I gift so we can be on an even playing field, but from what she said before about how her groin is not one of her weakspots, i have my doubts.
Oh I don't mean to do her any harm. She's a perfectly nice, shy, 19 year old young lady. I was just talking about during a spar giving a cup check kind of a kick - using relatively modest force to an area of her body that she said isn't a weak spot. You think she won't be able to take it, or just that she's gonna be upset that I'm treating her different than a guy?
Depends on the sport.. for something like swimming or running, ofc not, for football or something that is attacking someone else and involves force against another person, if you want to, probs
For you to even have to mention swimming shows how bad society has gotten lol
Right. Imagine walking out of the locker room in a jock strap with a speedo to cover? That dude would look to be packing a monster.
They say it's uncomfortable.
The ones who do get their 'bells rung' hard, do wear one from that point on. Why do they have to learn the hard way individually and not as a group? I have no idea...
Maybe yes, that would explain the 50-50.
But I've also seen guys still not wearing a cup even after being paralyzed in great pain. I don't really get why, especially when everyone already knows that being hit in the testicles will render anyone unable to stand.
And some said it is not really helpful to wear a cup. Maybe they feel that they'll be able to handle the pain better or that other people are exaggerating the pain.
I don't think they think other people are exaggerating the pain.
I saw only two guys get struck hard down there with no cup, and that was the last time they didn't wear a cup.
They didn't have to go to the hospital, if that's what you mean, but I know one of them still had some pain and swelling the day after
What sport do you play where you saw them getting smacked?
@Kitty26cat I've been doing Krav Maga, but there the boys are pretty sensible about wearing it. What I was talking about is mainly my experience with exes and male friends playing sports like basketball, soccer, football, baseball... 🤦♀️
Ohhh OK I don't care about other sports but I am pretty sure the krav maga isn't gender specific and can hurt us pretty bad as well, I have done krav maga and a lot of women practitioners wear female groin protectors too.
@Kitty26cat it's true it hurts us too, and I also wear a groin guard when I practice, but it's hard to say it's not gender specific. It doesn't hurt us in the same magnitude.
I don't know about guys but it's obviously not gender specific lol, I mean there's obviously a reason for making groin guards for women as well and banning groin strikes in various full on contact martial arts. I can definitely say I have been kicked there and *accuracy and angle* matters a hell lot more for us than guys. If it lands right on the clit spot and crushes it to the pubic bone, it is excruciating and can have a similar reaction as men's but if it misses, then yeh you are certainly right that it's not the same magnitude of pain but still hurts.
@Kitty26cat I'm pretty sure groin shots are so strictly forbidden in marital arts because of men. Martial arts are way more popular among men, so they dictate the rules. Once there's a rule in place that forbids groin shots, it makes no sense allowing it for females.
My groin is guarded but my nose is exposed. Where's the sense in that? It makes sense if you're a man.
I think a fight between women and men should be without balls or groin protection for several reasons: 1. This is how it is in real life and one should learn to protect the crotch and not rely on the protector. 2. Men have many advantages over women and in order to balance the possibility that women will win in higher percentages, kicks to the balls must also be allowed.3. The defense and attack techniques will be greatly improved once there is no defense and it will be allowed to kick there.
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I'm sorry, but these arguments are just supid. You can just decide to stop the fight if someone actually gets hit there, why does he actually needs to feel the pain and risk an injury?
The possibility of being injured by a head injury is much greater and also more dangerous. Injury to the balls ends in almost all cases with temporary pain that passes from a few minutes to several hours. Of course there are exceptions but head injuries and others also happen. The thing is that in most cases men do not learn to protect their balls because they trust the protector and the law that they should not be kicked there. The battles are in reality and this is also what coaches in most martial arts do to hurt the head and the balls so one has to know how to attack and also defend it.
@Jhonrembo
Bollocks. Men have great reflexes for defending their groin, even if they have only been training with a cup.
Believe me I know I have been training for many, many years and I also dealt with it in the army. There is still a very big difference in the fighting strategy, defenses, and security that you are supposedly protected. Unfortunately I have seen so many people with black belts fighting poorly and especially in the field in real life. So I think some things need to change.
@Jhonrembo
I've also been training for many years, in krav maga, and I know that men have very good instincts to protect that area
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Yes, but he was wearing a cup
I would suppose that makes sense, I feel like it's banned considering how damaging it is for them, it can completely stop them from having children and so they think it can cause serious complications for us as well and have banned it. I assume if it would've been just "painful" For them and not "damaging", they would've allowed it regardless of gender, the same way as the liver shots.
If it is during practice they probably do not need it. During a game the cup should be present.
For me personally, it's because it's uncomfortable to wear a cup, and also I feel embarrassed to wear a cup with women around. I don't know how to explain, but it's like telling to women that my manhood needs extra protection.
I see but it is so uncomfortable that you prefer taking the chance to be hit in the groin?
And I don't think you should feel embarrassed for protecting yourself. You're not telling to anyone, I mean everyone knows it hurts a lot to be hit in the groin for guys. And if you eventually get hit in the groin, I guess your reaction will tell everyone that you needed extra protection?
😂 I know what you mean. It's common knowledge that we're super weak down there. I guess it's just my personal insecurity/ego thing.
Tbh, I've never been kicked or hit with force in the groin before. So maybe that plays a role? I know how sensitive they are, because I've felt the electric shock pain when they got handled too roughly, but I've never felt the pain of direct forceful hit. 😂
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They are not always comfortable to wear.
I was speculating about a possible explanation. As for me, the sports I engage in is bicycling, running, and rowing so a cup isn't needed though I have a medical condition that would make a cup unnecessary. I have an internal deformity where if I get hit down there they just pop inside my body hidden away which really confuses the heck out of my urologist.
I think it totally depends on the sports, some sports the are required while others not really needed.
When I played baseball I always wore a cup, but never wore one for Tennis or basketball.
I do martial arts now and mostly wear cups but sometimes the girls in class give me a hard time about it.
I did in baseball. We all did.
Generally no need, except for a catcher
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