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It used to be fear of rejection. That was when I was a kid. But then around age 19 or 20 everything completely changed. I grew up and "glew" up (yes, I know that's not a word lol), and I became very confident. But the women changed. And I could tell that. And I was thoroughly disgusted and put off by their actions. So I retreated and walked away from the dating scene, because the prospects just didn't appeal to me anymore.
I never meet any anymore. Never was into meeting girls at bars and clubs - those places are more for getting drunk in a socially acceptable milieu. I used to go to social gatherings but those are rare due to covid. I've been working remotely, though that hasn't made a big difference since in my line of work it's 90% male anyway.
The only real possibility is to walk up to women on the street or in stores, which seems rather creepy.
Because some of us are being pursued by girls. Those who aren't have anyway no chance even if they pursue. There is the third fraction, which are pursued by girls but it's not enough for them, they still pursue girls as well. Those guys are the source for stereotypes which affect negatively the first group.
Sexual Harassment. Going to jail.
Getting kicked out of bars and restaurants. Being alienated and called perverts and stalkers. Its real in todays political correctness system.
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It's not worth the effort. There is so much to do that actually is giving results and isn't dependent on others.
Then don't bitch your single
I don't bitch, I simply don't want to date a person that are more work then rewarding. It's a losers deal. Women that expect me to do all the work is therefore automatically a bad choice. Hench I better of single where I live as I like.
Well I'm sure you don't but many do bitch
Well most people bitch about women not understanding their own behavior and they have to hear them bitching about where all good men went when all they done in their life is to drain their values to guys while raising their expectations at the same time. So if the odds to actually find someone was reasonable it could be worth the effort to approach women. And that odds are completely in the hands of women.
Too easy for your life to be ruined because a woman says you did something inappropriate.
Like I don't even converse with any of my female coworkers unless I have to and it's about work. Just nothing really to gain, only things to be lost
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Hmm yeah I may have over exaggerated a little but just to put it better hopefully: dealing with women requires waaay to much walking on eggshells around her. Don't be too pushy or you'll be labeled a creep or get accused of something and be found immediately guilty in the land of social media. Don't be too soft to where you're a pushover and not a decent challenge for her to win over, etc
And even talking about the word "pursue" is tricky. You meet a woman at a bar, talk for a bit, and seem to be connecting, so you ask her for her phone number and she says "no." Now what? Some women want you to fight for her even though she initially declined, some women mean "no" as "no" cause they're not interested. So continuing to pursue her in this situation could either be exactly what she wants, or it could get your drink thrown in your face and being labeled a creep
Well, in my case. I am married, would be wrong to pursue women. Though if i am honest with you, i have never really pursued any one. I've always been the one getting pursued. So i guess i have just never needed to.
Uh no some men who are ugly who did compliment women did end up getting arrested. Whether or not they got sentenced I'm not sure because news outlets usually don't follow these cases unless it involves rape.
It's silly
It's just not worth the headache and effort. Forget about the "pain" of rejection; most men are so used to it that we don't really care about it. We don't pursue women because it's a waste of time.
Men are becoming gunshy. Approach the wrong chick and she could have you arrested. That takes all the fun out of a possible relationship.
Arrested for a compliment must be a new charge
If a lady doesn't want interaction with a certain gentleman, and he continues to pursue her attention, then if she seeks legal restraints, he gets the hint when police handed him a restraining order. Perhaps he was so enamored with the lady he didn't wish to give up.
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Men should stop watching porn😂.. that's all I say to my desperate single friends😂... Guys just do this one thing & everything will be fine❤️
I did, you didn't respond to me. Without harrassing you I tried to be subtle about it, if you were more responsive in a positive manner I would gave pursued it further.
Good luck
Lol 😂
There really isn't any risk benefit now these days. Back then the worst she could say is no now these days you can get a no and a whole mouthful and possibly something even worse.
Not being alone forever would be a benefit
I'd much rather be alone than in a toxic relationship. There is another big risk. You have a very small chance of being with someone that will make you happy.
Yes, if you find the right person!
Yes, I think we do weigh the risk/reward benefit in our minds before deciding if they are worth the try.
Probably fear of rejection. 🤷🏻♀️ I don’t like being rejected either.
Nobody does but it's 1out of millions
Some have had worse experience with rejection than others. I agree it would behoove them to get a thicker skin. But easier said than done.
I guess
Given the general attitude towards men, I can't blame them. I don't think it has as much to do with fear as it does with recognizing that women don't want male attention. They want to be left alone
Modern life is too demanding and women today are too much into head games and scapegoating their personal hangups onto men for the effort to be balanced by the upside. Not healthy to hold a job/career that sucks most of the energy out of you and risk spending the rest of your waking hours with an emotionally needy woman-child in dire need of validation and perhaps a whipping-boy for her frustrations. Simply put, the juice is not often worth the squeeze nowadays.
I know several girls who talk about men actively pursuing them to take them off the market. So I know it's happening. Just a matter of who and are they pursuing you
I agree with most of the excuses except 6,7, and 8 are BS lol
Some guys really have legitimate trouble trying to ‘compliment a womans ego’ as you put it.
lol wtf is this, I’m not trying to appease anyones ego.
I just introduce myself and ask What’s your name and how are you?
If A woman that likes me gives me the cold shoulder for fun, lol why would i possibly keep trying with the same person. I respect boundaries, and there’s plenty of women who know what they want
If I was single I would be pursuing women. Now that I am older I bet I would be better than average at it.
All your points are valid except 6: It is kind of rocket science because guys need to be witty/funny to be attractive to most women. And my Asperger’s/ADHD makes it very hard to think of a comeback or respond in a playful way.
You are different my dear in your case it's understandable
If you don’t understand what autism is, there’s no point in talking with you. You can say that I’m self-pitying, and I will respond by saying you’re not a Christian because you lack empathy. Love thy neighbor.
Because its a net loss to do so nowadays. Many women are simply not worth it anymore and you are always at risk of being accused of any form of sexual assault. Just not worth it.
Man just how are you guys approaching these girls that they’re screaming sexual assault? I mean I have chatted up more girls then I can remember and never have any of them said anything close to something like that and back when I was younger I was pretty blatant and bold a lot of times approaching girls
We're equal now. You can pursue sweetie!
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Hs3JKvQiJI8Then again there's always the obvious answer.
Cuz they might get arrested for stalking or harassment. Or simply cuz men are tired of ALWAYS being the one who has to pursue; can't she pursue him too? My most memorable relationships were the ones where my girlfriend pursued me.
We do fear rejection and I rather a woman/ girl approach me
Yes, I met my late wife when she approached me and asked me if I would like to dance!
@gag2021 Aww sorry about your loss 👼🙏
Thanks, life has to go on!
Many guys are perusing me. It’s just that I’m focused on my education right now so I can’t date.
I hope that you realize wanting to fuck and wanting to pursue are not the same thing
@BigKevHanma 🤣
Wow haters are really gonna hate. All I did was share my experience. Yikes. stay mad kids Mauh
I’m not hating I’m putting you up on game 😂 obviously you didn’t know that
Listen hon. Ofc there’s guys that just wanna hit it too and I keep them around for when I wanna like make out. But as the topic suggests, we’re talking about perusing for a relationship. So staying on topic, I’m talking about these ones.
You need to learn the difference between love and lust and from the way your talking it’s gonna be a hard lesson have fun with that
It’s okay. I just need to know the difference between jealous and butt hurt. With you there isn’t one 😙
Like you said focus on your education sweetie your too naive atm
You better hurry up with that education cause at 91 years old you probably don’t have a lot of time left you might need to drop some classes
Men still do pursue women, but they also do a risk - benefit analysis to see if the woman is worth the pursuit, and from the men's POV many women today are not worth it and so must be avoided.
It's because if the girl finds them unattractive, they scream assault
I was never a social butterfly. I did, however pursue for quite some time. After being rejected by every woman i wanted to date for fourteen years, I haven't bothered for three. it seems like everyone is either taken or not interested.
Do you ask men out? Women mostly win in the end. Men have to do the first everything, while you just sit their looking pretty. I'm just fed up of it all. Seems very one sided. And building trust with a stranger! Oh a tough one.
I would beg to differ, men are definitely still pursuing women, the fact that there are more male accounts than female on this website is proof of that. Even though this is not a dating site it still has some aspects to one.
Hmmmmm,
The world is replete with couples and marriages.
Is the premise of this thread really true?
Women think they can bring pussy to the table we can buy that for reasonable price some of us get for free at 6.2 feet so they should bring something higher value than only their vagina
maybe a lot of guys, men, don't want to risk being labeled as harassing or weird, creepy anymore? unfortuneately, a lot of guys get labeled that way even if they mean no harm towards the woman
Well we still do, if we find someone worthy to be pursued.
I wouldn't do it because I am not that young anymore and heartbreak has taught me many things also I think the hunger for one another should be mutual.
It's useless and waste of time.
I'd rather go to an escort
Fair
Ain't nobody got time for that. If a girl sees something she likes; why can't she just go for it?
Doesn't have to
Neither do we lol.
I approach bitches. For quick fuck.
And I get girls for hook up easily. Bkoz I spend enough dollars on big boobs.
Your charges?
Lmao. Legend
When you're a 6/10 annoying 5'3 manlet with a whole arsenal of bizarre fetishes and a weird, child-like sense of humor whom tries way too hard to be funny, it's just best to leave women alone.
Because, equal rights, and equal social standing, also come with the social obligation of pursuing equally, it's not only the man's job to pursue anymore.
Are you talking to me?
No sir
Since when. Nobody told me and I love seducing women.
I love the electricity that happens between myself and women I find attractive. It's part of the thrill and I'd hate to not have that to enjoy. Some of the sexiest moments are between 2 people while their clothes are still on
Because you aren't worth the effort. Ohh look space ghost is on
i dont pursue because i got turned down a fee times i know thats life
it still sucks
the rigth girl will come along i think
Because too many bad apples ruined it for the rest of us. Ladies have grown jaded to a man approaching... Though I still make it a point to make an attempt every single day.
@WowwGirl Some men won't pursue women anymore because they believe dating is equivalent to playing Russian roulette.
It's pathetic
@WowwGirl With 50% of dating or marriages failing, does it logically make sense to pursue women?
If you want a partner
We still do, but our network is exponentially bigger, if a woman is playing games, hard to get, etc. We can just go to the next woman.
You guys don't have the guts to ask any out
Men all over this site whinnying about it.
I wouldn't say this site is a very accurate representation of the average male, lol.
I don't identify myself in that one, so I can't say much about that.
There are barely any women left worth pursuing tbh.
Because women are not worth it. As the average womans value decreases it just means men are willing to put in less and less effort.
Maybe they are growing tired and resentful of being the hunters?
Enjoy being alone
I never understood what is the goddamn logic behind why going after what you want is a masculine thing
Women come to me man and I am autistic. Don't listen to her.
@Juxtapose, are you saying you have had women ask you out or make the first move?
Yes! I have never had a relationship start by me making the first move, all of my girlfriends have asked me out first.
I have even had an older woman take me out to dinner and offer to pay for it. My current girlfriend is 19, calls me "daddy" & does what I say. She made the first move.
@Juxtapose Well God bless those women
@Juxtapose Im happy you got a new lady💛
But you are good looking and charming when you so desire. Those are factors in being approached
The social movement is towards respecting 'no means no'. Ask once then move on. It's time women learn to make up their mind when asked the first time.
I guess its part fear and anxiety. Cause i get strong emotions when im about to do it and it makes me think I already failed
Simply because there is already a 60 or 70% chance that he would get rejected.
So? Next
Don't want to be accused of harassment or sexual harassment.
See above
Anymore the definition of harassment has be branded to cover all of that. Maybe not in court but in society and it can ruin a guy just because accused of it.
Sure
Kid at my work was fired for send a "dick pic" to a associate. Mean while i learned from the one that it was supposedly sent to, that was the first she heard of it. Meaning it was never sent to her.
@WowwGirl
too scared that if the woman takes a dislike she will just turn on the metoo card etc
Over asking her out😂
No dear
Over grabbing her ass maybe
@WowwGirl
ye but to gain attraction there has to be some playful touching etc and its so hard to read the boundaries so now its easier to wait for woman to make the first move then its clear she is interested and wants to go further
Not at all words work fine. I don't know who told you this stuff but they lied. The woman should touch first unless you want a problem. Just be charming
It's very easy to flatter someone's ego to get their interest
@WowwGirl
ye but there is no school to learn flattery or be charming :(
@rebeliouse one time a 16 year old boy in my country tried to talk to a girl and was shot dead.
@WowwGirl
not buying been scared!
you try getting shot down especially when girls dont do it in a nice way and make fun of the guy and treat them like shit for trying
@WowwGirl
what does this even mean
7. A guy who really wants a woman will get told 9 times to hear the word yes once.
if it means he is going to get knocked back 9 times then why bother! a girl playing hard to get is just a insecure attention seeker
@Dchrls78104 whatever 😂 it's to ridiculous to debate
@WowwGirl
why rediculouse to debate surly the whole point of this site is debating
He's not afraid of rejection. He has balls
Why bother is you want a mate. You don't want one that bad then
I've been shot down wasn't a big deal I just went to another. Lots of guys out there
8. Flirting and Harassment are very different things.
depends on the point of view of the person which is what makes it so dam hard you could perseeve something as flirting the other can take offense and then it police time.
its not taught and there is no book on it besides pua which are borderline bad
@WowwGirl
funny thing is women want equality but still want guys to chase after them as usual smacks of double standards. if you like a guy just go chat to him instead of this bs he's got to ask me out crap
Maybe they don't in Missouri, but they still do in the rest of the world. :-D
“You are losing nothing you came with.”
My self esteem is at stake.
Their egos are growing huge.
@politespeaker yes I've approached my crush, he said yes, hugged me but then later he expected me to even chase him more. So that's ego issues only. I wanted no games so I left him. Because as a girl I did my part to approach. Rest was his immaturity to expect more and more chase. Also I don't wear makeup or ever shaped my brows so yeah all girls are not the same. I'm confident in myself.
No. Most of these little boys think females should just come to them. Not knowing that men are natural hunter’s. And most females like to be chased.
Prostitutes strippers and porn and also normal women aren’t very good in bed so everything you go through in an attempt to get laid just feels like a waste of time
Hold on…. I think I might have seen it once or twice at school. Not a bad start