Would all guys cheat if they had the opportunity?

[Anonymous]

According to Kevin Samuels they would so just wondering

yes

no

[MrOracle]

It's not quite that simple. Most men don't cheat, but it's also true that most men only have opportunities to cheat fairly rarely. Yes, opportunities do happen from time to time, but for most guys, it's maybe once every couple of years to maybe twice a year for more attractive guys.

However, if we're talking about a top 10% guy, it's a very different story. All the women want a top 10% guy, so women are constantly throwing themselves at those guys, so they have CONSTANT opportunities. A man can pass up occasional opportunities to cheat, but very few men can hold out indefinitely under a constant barrage of opportunity. That's why virtually all top 10% guys cheat, and most cheat often. Many girls even accept this - they would rather share a top 10% guy than have to date a guy in the lower 90%.

Do some "lower 90" guys cheat? Sure - some have no morals, and some are weak, but most don't cheat. Among the top 10%, though, cheating is nearly a certainty, and if you pursue such men, you should just accept that as part of the package, because it is.

[shaysh87]

i don't think most men can pass up opportunities to cheat if they constantly have women throwing themselves at them. 90% of men don't cheat because they simply don't have as many opportunities to cheat.

[MrOracle]

@shaysh87 That's exactly what I said. Which is why women who go after the hot/popular/wealthy/celebrity guys need to understand that those men WILL be cheating on them. Those guys have so many women throwing themselves at them that they're going to take advantage of it. You'd have to be delusional to think you could be with a guy like that and he wasn't going to cheat on you.

[shaysh87]

thats not what you said. The question was would all men cheat if the had the opportunity. You just kept talking about the top 10% while ignoring the rest of the 90% of men. you're not even providing an answer to this question.

[MrOracle]

@shaysh87 If you read what I wrote, then obviously you know that it would be true that most men, put in the position of the top 10% guys - i. e., tons of pussy thrown at them constantly - would cheat. There'd be some exceptions, but, yeah, most men can't resist that much temptation indefinitely.

But the vast majority of men don't encounter anything close to that level of temptation on any kind of regular basis, so this is irrelevant.

[shaysh87]

why don't you re-read the question:

Would all guys cheat if they had the opportunity?

why don't you admit it? if all guys had the opportunity to cheat, they would cheat.

[shaysh87]

you seem to be avoiding the real question being asked. you're just meandering around the question, beating around the bush, talking about things that make you feel good. You definitely sound like you have a lot of bias.

[MrOracle]

Why don't you re-read my answer? I said Yes, most men would cheat given unlimited opportunities. But most men don't have anything close to that - only the top guys do.

[shaysh87]

I reread your answer. You never mentioned all men would cheat if they had the opportunity to. You just kept complaining how women chase top 20% of all men and complaining that these women deserve it.

I don’t know what the huge deal is since 80% of all men chase womne in their 20s. You can dish it out but you can’t take it yourself

[anonbrunette99]

this is interesting but what about the ones who actually sought out opportunities to cheat and pursue and chase other woman… and what about woman? how come they can turn down guys more frequently without giving in.. I truly believe all men would cheat if they had complete reassurance that their wife or girlfriend wouldn’t ever know to get hurt by it.

[MrOracle]

@anonbrunette99 Women do not have the biological imperative to "spread their seed" that men have - doing that is literally our job. For the vast majority of the last half-million years, the number of humans was fairly small, and men needed to both breed at every opportunity and to breed with as diverse a group of women as possible in order to widen the gene pool and grow the species, or we'd have gone extinct - as did a number of other branches of the species tree. Civilization, in even the most basic form, is only about 10,000 years old, which is only 2% of human history.

Women - especially before the BC pill - had far bigger consequences for sleeping around, so women have always been far more reluctant to do so (until BC). It's not that they didn't want to, but because most could do the math and decided it wasn't worth it. BC and Radical Feminism (aka Marxism) removed those barriers starting in the 1960s, but that's incredibly recent when talking about human development.

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[shaysh87]

@MrOracle

Women in their 30s can very well breed and have kids. In fact data shows that vast majority of modern mothers ARE in their 30s. It’s just that you want the most beautiful women , not fertility

So Quit complaining about 80% of all women going for top 20% of all men. Because guess what? 80% of men only go for top 20% of women too. You have no right to complain

[MrOracle]

@shaysh87 "Women in their 30s can very well breed and have kids. In fact data shows that vast majority of modern mothers ARE in their 30s."

Of course they are - because women in their 20s have largely stopped having kids - down 81% since the 1970s. And the birthrate overall has plummeted. It's not that women in their 30s are having MORE kids than they used to - that number has barely changed. It's that women in their 20s are choosing careers over families, and a huge number will end up with no family at all.

"It’s just that you want the most beautiful women , not fertility."

Nothing I wrote here is about ME. I'm making generalizations that apply to much of the world.

"Because guess what? 80% of men only go for top 20% of women too."

There is abundant data to show that this is not true. The majority of men have always understood value, and that an "8" guy would probably get a girl who was an "8" at best, and a "5" guy would get a "5" girl at best. Prior to Radical Feminism, marriage rates were around 80%, and that wouldn't have been possible had what you say is true. Even recent studies show that, while guys value looks, they also aren't nearly as picky about looks as is commonly imagined. It's modern WOMEN who are obsessed with looks, mostly due to media and social media influence.

Here's a study - performed by a a female researcher, in fact:

www.livescience.com/...-more-than-personality.html

[shaysh87]

@MrOracle

The title of this article is :

For the First Time Ever, Thirty-Something Women Are Having More Babies Than Their Twenty-Something Counterparts

slate.com/.../...than-women-in-their-twenties.html

The title is = For the First Time Ever, Thirty-Something Women Are Having More Babies Than Their Twenty-Something Counterparts

NOT :

30 something yr old women are now having more kids than 30 something yr olds in 1970.

Nice try

[shaysh87]

@MrOracle

[There is abundant data to show that this is not true. The majority of men have always understood value, and that an "8" guy would probably get a girl who was an "8" at best, and a "5" guy would get a "5" girl at best. Prior to Radical Feminism, marriage rates were around 80%, and that wouldn't have been possible had what you say is true. Even recent studies show that, while guys value looks, they also aren't nearly as picky about looks as is commonly imagined. It's modern WOMEN who are obsessed with looks, mostly due to media and social media influence.]

HOW ARE MEN NOT OBSESSED WITH LOOKS IF YOU SAY VAST MAJORITY OF MEN aren't INTERESTED IN DATING A WOMAN OVER 30?

Certainly it’s not because a woman in her 30s is infertile.

Why do men only go for women in their 20s Ans never a woman in her 30s?

[shaysh87]

@MrOracle

IF LOOKS DONT MATTER , THEN DATE A WOMAN IN HER 30s.

IF LOOKS DONT MATTER TO MEN, THEN WHY ARE MEN ALWAYS DATING YOUNGER WOMEN?

IF LOOKS DONT MATTER TO YOU, THEN WHY WOULD YOU SPEND YOUR WHOLE LIFE ON HERE SHITTING ON 30 YR OLD WOMEN?

[shaysh87]

It’s hella funny how a troll like you spend your entire life writing about how 30 yr old women are so unattractive , so undesirable , so out of her prime.

Then now you’re saying looks dont matter to you. Or that men don’t care about looks. If you don’t care about looks , then go date a woman in her 30s. Quit talking shit about older women and date them

[MrOracle]

@shaysh87 That's called "framing" - taking a set of facts and spinning them to support your narrative. What they're saying is true, but far from the whole story. They don't want to include the whole context, because THAT would go against their narrative.

The media does these things all day long, every day, to manipulate people into believing a narrative they're trying to sell. I just gave you a bunch more context. The basic facts are the same, but when you add the additional context, the MEANING of those facts changes quite a bit.



This is exactly what "Fiery, but 'mostly peaceful' protests" means when standing in front of an inferno that used to be a bunch of small businesses and a police station before rioters destroyed them all. Looting stores, lighting cars, and barricading police in their station and setting it on fire is apparently "mostly peaceful" to some people.

[Vegasrunner]

@MrOracle Are you saying all top 10% men have no morals?

[MrOracle]

In this area, because of the amount of women throwing themselves at them, the overwhelming majority of these men will cheat, or won't commit to a relationship in the first place, yes.

[shaysh87]

@MrOracle

i don't see why you're complaining about women only dating top 20% of all men if men are only willing to date a woman in her 20s.

double standards much?

[MrOracle]

@shaysh87 You're putting words into my mouth that I never stated. Plenty of men are willing to date women older than 30. Marriage is something else - men are much less interested in marrying women much over 30 - but dating, sure.

I'm not telling women not to date top 10% men - I'm just saying, expect them to cheat on you, because they likely will. That's just how it is.

Note that you've never heard me say that a woman who is an 8 should date men who are 3s. I'm saying that people should be realistic about what their level is, and look for partners on their level. But a lot of women don't want to hear that (some completely get it and agree - I'm fully aware that those women exist), because they feel entitled to the top guys - and while those guys might sleep with them, they almost never date them. That's fact - but a lot of women just keep getting used over and over by hot guys, always believing she'll lock down the next one. Is that good for women? I don't think so. But you'd rather argue against me asking women to think about this, and perhaps accepting some limitations, and let those women keep doing what they're doing even when it hurts them and the continue to suffer.

[shaysh87]

@MrOracle

[You're putting words into my mouth that I never stated. Plenty of men are willing to date women older than 30. Marriage is something else - men are much less interested in marrying women much over 30 - but dating, sure.]

this paragraph proves that what im saying is right. Men have extremely HIGH STANDARDS too. Do you realize that the population of women in their 20s is only a TINY PORTION of the female population? so this proves that the claim "80% of men go only go for the top 20% of the female population" is exactly true.

why are you complaining that 80% of women are going for the top 20% of men , if 80% of men are only going for women in their 20s? there simply aren't enough women in their 20s to go around for so many men.

[shaysh87]

@MrOracle

if you're saying you don't want to have a family with a woman in her 30s, it means you only want a woman in her 20s. Now you're saying your standards are not high?

I don't believe in the BS that men only want women in their 20s. I've seen plenty of women get married and pop out kids in their 30s. No joke. Its all around me. Sure, she may have a better chance of finding hotter guys in her 20s but it doesn't mean all hope is lost for a woman in her 30s.

[shaysh87]

@MrOracle

[I'm not telling women not to date top 10% men - I'm just saying, expect them to cheat on you, because they likely will. That's just how it is.]

I have a feeling this line is just said out of jealousy because you clearly aren't included in the top 10% of men.

how about you telling saggy unattractive old men that they shouldn't get a hot girl in her 20s because she'll just cheat on him? you'll never say that, you're in favor of patriarchy. you think hot girls throw themselves at saggy, wrinkly, old men suffering from hair loss and erectile dysfunction.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 He's not saying that because it's not true you just have a difficult time dealing w/ the reality of the world.

[MrOracle]

@shaysh87

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De9UZyUi99o

[shaysh87]

@MrOracle

so why are you complaining about 80% of women going for top 20% of men, if 90% of men only want to date women in their 20s?

didn't even care to watch the video , by the way. pathetic people don't deserve my attention.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

if you were a handsome young man, you wouldn't be arguing with me.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 Lol, TY for sharing I'm sure it's much easier to convince yourself of that than acknowledge your own shortcomings. I just hope you get the help you need.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

mr saggy and wrinkly thinks he's hot.

[Sixgunsound]

It’s an unfortunate reality that hot and crazy tend to increase in proportion to each or her, not always but there is a noticeable tendency. Between a beautiful whole person and a hot mess I would always choose beautiful, as I did with my wife. A man is as loyal as his integrity, not his options. Cheating is a choice, not a physics equation. Tab A does not have an irresistible magnetic attraction to any slot B in existence, at least for emotionally mature adults. If that’s not in the cards for you then don’t settle down, but you forfeit having a life partner for a temporary sex partner, you have worse sex and statistically less of it single, kids are an accident not a blessing in a hookup situation, and you miss out on all the greatest joys in life of growing old with another person instead of growing bitter, empty, and lonely with a high body count which counts for nothing in the end but shows you that you wasted your life as a piece of meat doing community service for equally bitter and lonely women who are using you just as you are using them.

[KnightKissedbyFire]

No. Cheating is a broad term as well. Emotional, physical, mental, sexual. What is cheating to one person isn't cheating to another. But yes, say you both have the same standards of cheating. Women are just as sexual as men. If given the opportunity to "cheat" it depends on if the individual is happy in their complete life not just relationship or sexual life. Sometimes "cheating" or acting out of turn is a form of filling a hole in another part of your life thats empty. Men are not the only ones guilty of this.

[SkyCastle90]

I believe a majority of men aren't that scummy or foolish. Nowadays, women have more freedom to lie, blackmail, threaten, manipulate, and have the support of other women ready to believe/fight for her with a full emotional arsenal to S. I. G. N. each and every man who opposes them.

Even if given the opportunity, what's the benefit? Sex? If that's the case, then we should just make prostitution legal already. Men can't find true companionship in cheating, it only causes more problems.

[Anonymous]

That's like asking if all women would cheat, "if they had the opportunity". Let's just say women are more likely to. Guys will or won't as a matter of principle. Don't get mad this isn't a slight against women. guys just don't view cheating the same as women. Yes temptation arises with everyone. But women think emotionally rather than rationally. They are more likely to give in if the feel their needs are not being met. They mostly cheat either out of revenge or feeling abandoned.. Men on the otherhand CAN separate sex from their feelings. It's the main reason why guys are so hesitant to form a relationship with women these days. Also women generally don't throw themselves at guys like men do women. What I'm saying is guys are used to only getting the 10th of the attention women get. Even a woman that's a potential person to cheat with doesn't give a guy anymore attention than his wife does generally lol. In other words cheating for a guy is still work. And if a guy has character it's not that hard to say no. At that point a guy can easily look at it rationally and say. My wife who gave me my children, who regardless of what she says or acts on the surface deep down loves me, who I've built a life and have deep emotionally ties to (a bond). Or a cheap fling that strokes my males ego that is a few hrs of gratification. Hmm. Not really a choice!

[Jake_Evans]

I would never do that. By the way, I never had a girlfriend at all in my whole high school life. I only did in college. This is because during my whole high school life, I had this idea that the "lovers" in my high school are just fake egotistic fucks who don't truly love each other and are only hooking up in order to gain popularity and attention.

Now, I don't want to be judgmental... You know what? Fuck this shit. I'll say it now and I don't give a fuck if you think that I am an asshole but most of the "romantic couples" in my whole high school were really just egotistic fucks who are only hooking up in order to brag it to their friends and to the whole school. That's really how I believe even to this day. It didn't even help that they often cheat on their "partners". Yeah, that's how I believe even to this day. I am not saying that all lovers in my high school were like this but damn most of them are. It's just laughable.

Now I am saying this to you in order to prove that I really am not the type to cheat on women. This is because women for me should be respected. They should be loved by being truly loved and not as objects that you can use just for your social status. They're also not objects that you can just throw away in the trash and replace instantly. Now there's probably women out there who would say to me that they are okay to be treated like that as a way of proving me wrong but honestly for me, I just think you're a pathetic cheap trash of a woman if you love letting yourself be treated like that.

Anyways, I don't know if all guys in the whole world would cheat if they had the opportunity but I will say that I saw a lot of my guy relatives who cheated on their girlfriends even when they were already adults.

Hope this opinion helps!

[Razp_Sorbet]

Saw a story recently about a guy who cheated in an open relationship. He had an open relationship with this girl and they had 2 rules, which was basically he could go out with whoever he wants as long as they know about eachother and he uses protection. Pretty simple... Anything outside of that is obviously cheating, which he did. Funny thing was the girl he cheated with was super into the other girl so they could have had a 3 way but he chose to fuck it up.

Will all guys cheat if given the opportunity? No probably not. But some guys do be stupid af.

[molonski2]

Would depend on the status of the current relationship , a lot of men " love a backstop " most who say " No " could also be correct on two fronts , their relationship has maintained a highly sexual element ( their sack is basically empty ) , or they simply are not the type of person who is appealing , or can create opportunity.

So in 90 % of circumstances , the answer is YES , as per the wording of the question , and dependent on relationship status , particularly the sexual element. Maybe sad for some , but these are the actual facts.

[ZackBan]

Kevin Samuels is a smart man but he's too much of a red piller and that can cloud his insight sometimes.
There is no such thing as "all". Now would most guys cheat if they had the opportunity and knew they can get away with it? Probably. But most will also live to regret it even if they don't get caught.
That being said there are guys who are happy with their women and will not see the point of cheating. Especially if they are getting regular sex in which case they will be too tired to.

[mobjay82]

Why don’t start your will anybody cheat big they had the opportunity. Quick facts on chesting it’s about the partner why people cheat it has to do with their past or child hood. Guys will cheat out low self esteem and insecurities sane as females. People are twisted both sexes you will choose someone with low self esteem thinking if she or he feels shitty she/he will not want to lose me.! Well this energy transforms into yes other traits of low self esteem cocky, egotistic, narcissistic, arrogant, possessive. These behaviors stems from low self esteem, feeling not good enough, insecure. Soneobe with confidence has integrity self worth does not have a reasons to ever compare himself to know one. I never had yo chest on
My ex she was enough for me but I guess wasn’t in that decision she fogged the way I looked at myself lost confidence. I had reflect on myself remind myself who I am snd there’s no way I can let a human being
Make me change my view of me

[t-8900]

Nah sounds like Kevin is projecting what he saw from his own father onto the rest of us. I've already had many opertunities to cheat and never have. I believe in honor and integrity. Kevin Samuels sees the world through money and numbers. It's shallow thinking

[Anonymous]

Depends on the relationship and what issues there are in it.

Honesty think if men had the freedom and if it was the normal then all men and woman would do it.
That why
I feel there needs to be lot of open relationships
Most men are good men and wouldn’t do that to there partner. If anyone believes in karma you would know why. As what comes around goes around.
even if the man is thinking about cheating. It’s signs that relationship is on the rocks and they need to have talks.
If they to choose open relationship option they both can be happy fair enough.

but For me would just go back to things that are similar old friends and old routines. And Think if my partner cheated I would just stay single lol 😆

[godfatherfan]

of course not. So if someone says something that asinine you just believe them? I was with my ex wife 25 years. I knew her 30 days before going into the military. I had all kinds of opportunity to cheat on her if I wanted to, she never would have known. But I would have known.

[Alyssa_11]

Chesters love to make it out as if everyone else is a cheater so they don’t feel bad about themselves because internally they know they’re in the wrong.


Believe it or not, a lot of men would love to be in an exclusive relationship and loyal to their partners. And they’re afraid of being cheated on just as some woman are.


On the other hand, a lot of woman would also cheat if they had the opportunity but no one seems to talk about that.

[Vegasrunner]

@alyssa_11 A mans only as faithful as his options. Women dont like to hear it because they're clueless on the subject but guys are going to always want to bang something new.

[Alyssa_11]

Ugly guys cheat too

[Vegasrunner]

@alyssa_11 If they have money then yes probably

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@alyssa_11 don't listen to @Vegasrunner. Men regardless of options can be loyal. Is a choice they make.

[Alyssa_11]

Yeah sure. I know! :)

[Vegasrunner]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Lol, that sounds good however every single piece of evidence in recorded history proves otherwise. That's literally a big part of why you have so many women on sites like this complaining about not being able to keep a high value man. You're not helping them by lying to them.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Vegasrunner by all means tell me those pieces of evidence throughout history that you have.

[Alyssa_11]

It seems like vegasrunner is self reflecting some of his own insecurities.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Let's give him time. I am curious to what he is going to say.

[Vegasrunner]

@Alyssa_11 Having sex w/ women ='s insecurities, hows that?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Vegasrunner oh wait I remember you. You are the supposed dating coach. We talked before.
Still haven't grown I see. But by all means do tell the historical evidences you have.

[Vegasrunner]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 You want historical evidence of men w/ options being unfaithful? Lol how many do you need?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Vegasrunner no. I want proof that all men with options will cheat. I know there are those who will. Your claim is that they all will. Prove it.

[Vegasrunner]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 What constitutes "proof"?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Vegasrunner you said you had it. So you tell me. I assumed you had a social study or something similar since you talked about historical proof.

[Vegasrunner]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Interesting you want a social study on how many men w/ options cheat? Is there a social study available that proves they dont?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Vegasrunner you said you had evidences. Turns out you don't. You know besides "because I say so"
As far of if I have any proof that not all do? It's called common sense. People are vastly different. Some will give in to temptation others won't. Simple.

[Vegasrunner]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 That is false. You said I have evidence. What I said is "every single piece of recorded evidence in history proves otherwise" You seem to have a habit of lying and then asking people to prove your lie. Case in point I never told you "I'm a dating coach" I told you I help guys that come to me to help understand women better. Also I asked you specifically how many examples fo you need and you never responded. Soooooo?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Vegasrunner I know you are a dating coach you already told the that on another debate. Irrelevant. No group, religious, ethnical, political, social, has every people on it thinking and acting exactly the same. To even put that hypothesis is ridiculous. That is my proof. Common sense.
While you, have... nothing. When you said that you did.

[Vegasrunner]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Thank you for sharing but not sure why you feel the need to tag me. Lol, I'm 100% positive I'm not a dating coach despite your odd need to tell me I am. Also w/ you providing an answer to my question not sure how this discussion can move forward. I'm happy I made an impression on you, Unfortunately you didn't make one on me so I have no clue what you're talking about but I hope you feel heard.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Vegasrunner weren't you the dating coach? I am confusing you with other dude then.
Regardless if the other conversation I remember was with you or not my point on this topic stands.

[Vegasrunner]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 You did what most losers on SM Forms do. I told you that I gave advice to guys when they ask me. You decided that that makes me a "dating coach" because it helped you justify a belief that you hold. It's probably difficult for an average guy like you to believe that there are guys out there that have success w/ women so u have to find some sort of justification. If I remember correctly your the guy who got advice about women from his sisters and wife which are the absolute worse people to give advice about women.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Vegasrunner so it was you, but don't seem to remember everything. I never had an issue getting girls. I am very aware that many guys get tons of girls and honestly is not that hard.
And yes it was the advice from the girls in my life that gave me the success that I had while I was dating. Worked like a charm.
I really remembered you saying you were a dating coach. But is irrelevant to the discussion.
I said and I keep it, to say all super successful men cheat on their wives is false. Absolutely false.

[Vegasrunner]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 You are welcome to believe what you like. I just enjoy the fact that the guy who said he learned about women from is now acting like one. You've spent this entire discussion focused on possibilities vs probability and are to focused on attempting to be right to let the truth get in the way. You're acting as if every man in the world w/ options has to be unfaithful for the statement to he true. There are exceptions to every rule however every man who has or has had options understands he is only going to be as faithful as his options. The most obvious reality is that you probably haven't had a lot of options.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Vegasrunner note that you claimed that every piece of evidence pointed in that direction and yet you have none. Not this is the same for the majority much less that that it happens with all. You gave literally nothing. And now you are recurring to shaming tactics for lack of something better. Very men like of you for sure.

About the last statement let me give you an example. Do you know when you see a news that someone did an atrocity and you are like "how could he ever do that?". Because you are so different from that person you don't understand how that person could do that. You could never do it even under the same circumstances.
Same thing here. Is not that I didn't had options, the thing is that you could never be loyal yourself and don't understand how someone could. You identity with that and extrapolate that to everyone else. So you think most act like you would. Easy to understand right? Is not that men with options aren't loyal, you are not loyal.

[Vegasrunner]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Every piece of evidence is not the same as every single person that's something you're just making up to help you deal w/ an uncomfortable reality which is a female trait. Too your second part that is false. Again you are attempting to frame a narrative so it's more palatable to you. Your words and actions are not congruent w/ a man that has options. Do you know how I know? Besides from myself, my circle includes Athletes, entertainers and Celebrities the very people that are categorized as the top tier men. NONE of them Limit themselves to one woman. So you may not like it but reality is you're not in that category, you couldn't come around my circle and get any respect whereas if I came into your circle I would instantly be the center of attention. A 6'3 Black man w/ a net worth of close to 7 figures multiple cars multiple houses. I can pick who I want on the night I want them. You just haven't experienced that in your lifetime is all.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Vegasrunner you don't seem to be able to read.
I never said that every piece of evidences means every person. From the start I said that there are those who do cheat. My only point, is that you have no evidence to say that even most of them cheat. And you continue to not have it besides anecdotal evidence. If we go that route I also know football players and they are loyal to their women.
Continuing on the subject of not reading, I said I had options during the times I was dating. I never said I had the same that an actor or a athlete does. I know they have more. Irrelevant. Regardless if you have 10 or 100 women messaging you if you are going to cheat you only need one to text you. Cheaters will cheat. That is all.
And again shaming tactics keep having no effect or relevance to the conversation besides showing you lack of maturity.

[Vegasrunner]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Now your backpedaling? You've attempted to use 100% as the benchmark for my statement throughout this conversation. You keep saying "there's no evidence" my response would be just because you choose to ignore the evidence doesn't mean there's none. You could do a google search of the most powerful men in America look at how many of them have mistresses and side pieces. Bill Gates had a side piece for over 30 years (hopefully your intelligent enough to realize that this is one example and not the sum total of all examples) Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, etc, etc essentially any man that you can think of as a public figure is going to have multiple women. You may not like it but it's a clear and obvious fact. You keep claiming that you had options but all evidence points to the contrary. You're attempting to compare options that a square like you has verses high value men and there's no comparison and when you through in where you're getting your advice plus your statements it's clear that you are more feminine than masculine. My guess is you were the guy that hung around in the group hoping to eventually get one of the girls in said group.

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@Vegasrunner Never have I said 100%. People are different and I inclusivity said "no group, religious, political, social etc has only people that think and act the same way."
Yes those are examples of the ones that had side pieces, still doesn't mean all or even most have them. That is your assumption.
Again, assumptions after assumptions. My conquests were never among my group of friends. Exactly because they were my friends. I was always honest about this, I never had hundreds of girls in my DM's without me doing anything. But I never spend a night that I wanted some alone either. And yes with advice for other girls. Works perfectly. I am proof of that.
And yes I am comparing. Like I said a cheater will cheat. Regardless of how many options he has.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 You literally contradicted yourself in your 1st two paragraphs. You first claim "never have I said 100%" Then you say "Those are examples... still doesn't mean all" Which one is it?

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@Vegasrunner in what way did I contradicted myself? You really are not the sharpest one are you?
First paragraph I said no group of people all think the same way. On the second, I keep that. You gave examples of guys who fall into what you say. I agreed that men that have a side piece do exist, aknowledging that people are different. Whoever you assume that they represent most.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Very obvious contradiction you say you dont need 100% to satisfy the statement but then say the examples given aren't enough and you won't set a tangible number. And notice how you won't answer a direct question (another female trait) You're holding a belief based on evidence yet feel entitled to question me yet when presented w/ evidence you decide that it's not enough information to satisfy the statement? That's called verbal gymnastics. You know your wrong so your only chance is to keep moving the goalpost until you can reach an unattainable point. It doesn't take all, it doesn't take most, and the examples given dont satisfy so I'lm ask you again how many examples do you need?

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@Vegasrunner I am repeating myself at this point. I never said that my statement was about 100%. That was your point in fact. I always said, yes, some men do cheat regardless if how successful they are.
I said from the start what I want, show me proof that your assumption that most successful men cheat. You said three or four examples. I can Google celebrity names, search their marital status and I won't have any info regarding a side chick and use them as examples as well. Of course you will say that the examples I give also have side pieces, but they just keep it hidden so what's the point. You only believe what you want to believe.
What question didn't I answered directly?

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 I asked you how many examples would you need to satisfy the original statement you have yet to answer which proves my point. You understand that if you give a reasonable tangible answer you'll be proven wrong because we both know that men are only as faithful as their options. Instead you're more concerned about being right to let the truth get in the way. So what you do is set intangible benchmarks that can never be hit (another female trait by the way). I'll ask you again how many examples do you need? (Watch the nonanswer)

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@Vegasrunner I already answered that more than once. I want proof of your assumption. That most, yes not a few most, act they way you say they do. I already said this many times. Do you read?
I don't know that. In fact I know that's not how it works. Cheaters will cheat. Again I said this plenty of times. Yet you talked like I agreed with literally the thing that I disagree with from the start. Somehow you are still confused on that.
What truth am I not letting in? This is funny you don't get that you, now being able to give me the proof I asked, all you have is assumptions and that your words mean as much as mine?

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 An answer would include an actual number you have yet to present one so you're just proving my point.

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@Vegasrunner so I gave you an answer. Multiple times. And you just don't like it because you can't provide what I have been asking from the start. Meaning you are the one not able to answer me.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Ahh so no number that's what I thought. You're ok pretending you're belief holds weight but when faced w/ having to provide actual substance you can't.

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@Vegasrunner I don't need a number to ask the question that I have. You are the one that simply can't answer it. But you know what I can give a number.
Prove me that more than 50% of highly successful men cheat.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 there's nothing to answer. Not my responsibility to make you feel better about your beliefs 50% is an extremely low number which proves how clueless you are. Reality us you've closed your mind to the reality, I've already given you a place to start you've decided to ignore that info because it challenges your belief. (Another female trait). You simply dont like it so your going through all these semantics to make yourself feel better.

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@Vegasrunner From the start, you have been misinterpreting what I said. Pretending that I didn't said thing that I had. Making a bunch of assumptions. Using nonsensical shaming tactics to try make me lose it or focus on your provocations and not on the point. Avoiding the main point because you have no way around it. And I am the one with the women like behavior? Sure thing.

Note that you and I have different views. You haven't any method to prove your claims besides "because I say so" witch is very irrational and egocentric, yet you act like what you saying is obvious just because you believe in it. And I am the closed minded one.

So projecting on all fronts so far...

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 You may want to re-read because most normal people reading this interaction are probably going to tag you w/ the labels you are attempting to tag others w. Yes your behaviors are female like and I highlighted each behavior. You seem to be a selective reader completely ignoring truths presented to you. You're making a claim as well and haven't presented any evidence.. When you were presented w/ evidence you decided it was enough because it goes against your narrative and then said that you dont have to put a tangible number on evidence you just want someone to show you an infinite about of examples. Sp yes that's a female like attitude you've taken the position that others need to "prove" something to you and only you will be the judge of the proof and when proof is presented you will need more proof. It's simply anargumentitive tactic used by low level thinkers unable to carry an intelligent discussion if the information challenges their beliefs ie very female.

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@Vegasrunner From the start my claim and asking for evidences didn't changed. My argument was always regarding most high value men, feel free to scroll up and see it. Now you can't provide evidences for that, like you claimed. And that is that.
You call a feminine behavior to ask for evidences of ones claims? Do you have any idea how nonsensical you sound. But I get get it you are backed into a corner and looking for anyway out no matter how illogical.
You can try to project all you want. I just gave you a list of very feminine like behaviors that you showed using the exact same logic you used on me. But I shouldn't be surprised that someone that tries to get out of giving proof of their claims with cheap insults to not be able to self reflection. Literally every piece of this discussion would show anyone that reads it how much you just live in your own world not in the real world.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 As far as anyone can tell you're claim is that people need to provide evidence to you w/o you being able to define evidence. And yes that is a very female trait. Females typically take the position of you must prove something to me w/o me proving anything to you and I will be judge and jury of your proof. I sincerely hope people read this exchange as it is the sole reason of my engaging on this platform. If someone was to read this they would see that it began w/ you asking for evidence of a private matter. You were then presented not only evidence but resources for you to do even further research. You then decided that that evidence was not "enough" when asked for you to put a tangible number you declined. Like most females you're unable to deal w/ uncomfortable truths so you have decided to pretend that it simply doesn't exist to protect your feelings.

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@Vegasrunner but I did defined evidence. From the start. Already said that I have several times. You keep saying the same.
You gave examples of guys who cheated. That was it. Nothing like to refute my initial claim. I didn't decided it was not enough. From the start I never said that no man does it, I know there are the ones who do. From the start the claim you made was that most did. I asked for proof of that you gave three names. Not even close to be enough.
This is like the third time I am writing something similar. You keep having nothing.
Note that you were to one to claim that all historical evidence pointed to your claim. And you fail to prove any. You said you did. You don't.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 You did not. You asked for evidence but never quantified what constitutes evidence. People do this a lot in todays social media culture when they're attempting to argue just for argument's sake. My original statement was men are as faithful as their options your response was "prove all men cheat" You're making up your own metric and then asking others to prove your it. Then even after presented w/ examples you decided it was "not enough" When I asked you repeatedly how many examples you need you refuse to put a number on it. Essentially you're asking someone to prove a belief you made up while continuing to move the goal post. The fact that you have to attempt to narrow the statement proves my point because you realize that if you were to put a number up anyone could provide that number because it's a fact men are only as faithful as their options. The only men that disagree are typically more feminine ones that have lacked options in their life.

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@Vegasrunner if I say that I disagree that most high tier men don't cheat, what kind of evidence do you think I want? Something that proves more than half of them does cheat maybe? Of course three names would never be enough.
You then asked for a number, as if "most" wasn't a metric good enough. I stated the obvious and said over 50%. And so far proof of that is nowhere to be seen. Do you have it? No you don't.

Do you remember the example I gave a few messages ago when an atrocity is on the news most people can't understand how that person was capable of doing that? They are so different from the psychopath that they can't understand him. So in this case, unless you are saying being loyal is not a masculine trait, the issue here is that you are not loyal. Simple as that.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 You disagreeing w/ something doesn't make it false neither does your inability to define proof. There's no evidence of God yet people believe in him so not sure what you're talking about. I gave you 3 examples and even prefaced by saying hopefully you're intelligent enough to realize this doesn't represent every example (apparently you are not). Not sure what you're babbling about in your last paragraph but if you're equating loyalty to sexual fidelity then you're simply mistaken, however I dont expect you to understand because you've been trained to have more feminine traits.

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@Vegasrunner "You disagreeing w/ something doesn't make it false neither does your inability to define proof."
Right back at you.
Yes believe in a lot of nonsense without any proof. Does that mean we should never ask for proof in our lives and just believe everything we are told?
"if you're equating loyalty to sexual fidelity" out of all the nonsense you said so far this takes the cake. This is not about being feminine this is about being logical. You are either loyal or you are not. Having sex with someone else while in a relationship, unless is a polyamorous relationship, is cheating. Period.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Technically you're disagreeing w/ me so you should be taking your own advice correct? Show proof that men aren't only as faithful as their options and I will end this conversation immediately.

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@Vegasrunner I never said I have proof of that. You did said that you had proof of otherwise.
But don't try to throw sand in my eyes here, you just said that loyalty and sexual fidelity are not the same?

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Well sativa minute. Are you saying that only I have to prove a belief to you while you're allowed to hold a belief w/ having evidence to prove it? No sexual fedelity and loyalty are not the same things.

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@Vegasrunner you were the one that said you had proof. I have me beliefs, but I never said I could prove it.
How are they not the same thing?

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 For starters I actually provided proof you simply claimed it wasn't "enough" (you never disagreed w/ it which again validates my point) You haven't provided anything preferring to spend your time moving the goalpost. Not to mention you can literally google any high value male public figure and add cheating scandal and everyone will be attached to one so not even sure how you can willingly be so ignorant on this topic unless you were afraid to face a reality that challenged your belief. (Another female trait by the way)

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@Vegasrunner three people is not proof. We have been over this.
Just did with my country prime mister. No cheating scandal. See how easy it is to find isolated examples?

Now why are you running from my question?
So far you said that asking for proof and being loyal are feminine traits. Which is nonsensical. I already gave a list of feminine traits that you displayed over this conversation and avoiding topics that are uncomfortable to you is one of them. Case and point, you are not addressing the question I just made.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Lol. You prime minister? What country? And I though you said 3 examples aren't enough so ob61 example isn't enough correct?

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@Vegasrunner I am from Portugal.
I have always said that I didn't had proof that more than half of top men were loyal. You said that you had proof they weren't. You gave three examples, not nearly proof enough for "most". Then you said to Google, your own words, literally any high value public figure and I would find a cheating story.
In other words I asked for "most" and you asked for "literally any". I know you are slow but even you must get this one.
But you know what? Just for my fun. Add to my prime minister, Henry Cavill, Luís Figo and Hugh Jackman. Of course there are rumours around those, but nothing proven.

You continue to ignore my question. I believe you would consider fear is a female trait you know?

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Now it makes sense there's a language barrier. So as I originally mentioned hopefully you realize 3 examples is not the extent of all examples. Secondly Henry Cavill isn't married and Hugh Jackman has had a ton of infidelity scandals including w/ both men and women so are you using these examples to make my point even more?

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@Vegasrunner You said you proof that most men with lots of option were not loyal. Next you gave three examples. Is not about language is about logic.
I googled them before I posted it. He never really cheated. Henry is not married, but never had a cheated either.

Why are you still trying to dodge my question? You are actively ignoring it. You know thta just proves my point right?

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 I dont even understand your point and the examples you gave seem to validate my point.

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@Vegasrunner they didn't cheat so not really. Still evading my question?

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 The one that isn't married can't cheat and the other two have already had scandal so not sure what you're talking about if anything you've just proved what I was saying.

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@Vegasrunner Luis Figo did not had a scandal. Neither did my prime misnister. Hugh Jackman never cheated, it was rumors. Only married guys count? Just being on relationship doesn't count as being loyal? That is news to me.
But this proves nothing. I am consistent in my argument. Just giving 4 examples of loyal men doesn't prove most are loyal. Just like you giving examples of 3 that cheat doesn't prove most are not loyal. Reagradless you asked for "literally any". I gave.
Still avoiding my question. You are the one proving me right.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 I have no idea who Figo is but when I looked him up literally the first thing that came up is that he had an affair w/ another man. So that makes it for 3. You keep talking about "proof" are you saying the only proof you'll accept is if you get to watch these guys have sex? That sounds kinda weird no? Not only have you not given an example you've added 3 more people to my list so I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make.

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@Vegasrunner a rumor nothing more. So all the ones I told were loyal.
I already told you what constitutes evidence. Something that proves over 50%.
And from now on I am not answering anything until you answer my question.

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@Vegasrunner in case you forgot it's this:
"How are sexual fedelity and loyalty are not the same thing?"

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 You haven't even shown me 1 that was loyal all the examples you gave were guys that have scandals. That's why I asked you what constitutes "proof" You just keep saying the proof is something you'll determine w/o sharing.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 No sexual Fedility and Loyalty are not the same thing. Why would you think they are? I dont mean to be rude are you make or female?

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@Vegasrunner scandal is not the same as cheating. Nothing but rumors.

Stop hiding behind nonsensical accusations. You already lost all credibility on that when you said that asking for proof was a female trair and when you displayed many female traits yourself.
Loyalty includes sexual fedelity. Duh!

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 If the scandal is a cheating scandal then it is. I never said that that's something you're just making up to deflect from the fact that you've been proven wrong in this discussion. So you're saying all your friends can only have sex w/ you?

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@Vegasrunner sure because what you see one sensational magazines is always true...
Unless you give me that over 50% proof I am the one who is right here.
Didn't understand your question. What one thing has to do with the other?

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Yes if you finally have come to understand that men are only as faithful as their options. You've already provided 3 more examples to support that.

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@Vegasrunner I provided four examples of the opposite actually. But you do you.

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@Vegasrunner also stop running from the other topic.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 I dont remember the 4th but of the three guys you mentioned two instantly were associated w/ a cheating scandal. The other one wasn't married.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 What "other" topic are you referring to now?

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@Vegasrunner the fourth was my prime minister. You don't cheat only if you are married. And the scandals were fake news. I am going to copy paste this next time you ask.

About loyalty and sexually fidelity.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 That guy was in his 60's so I would have to go back and see when he came to power. Just saying something is fake because you dont like the info doesn't make it fake.

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@Vegasrunner you are not only ignoring reality, you are also running away from the other topic where you know you will also lose. This is getting boring.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Losing should be boring to so it makes sense. You're more than welcome to not reply you've already validated my point.

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@Vegasrunner there you go again denying reality.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Reality is men are only as faithful as their options.

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@Vegasrunner and you keep doing it.

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@Vegasrunner cheaters will be cheaters. Loyal men will be loyal. That is all.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 TY I'm glad I was able to help educate you.

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@Vegasrunner right back at you. 👍

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Yes that is certainly a position that a man w/ limited options would take. It doesn't surprise me that you feel that way, if I understand you only had one woman.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 TY for helping validate men are only as faithful as their options you added 3 more to the list.

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@Vegasrunner if you are a person that can't be loyal, that can't keep his word, that can't control his own impulse, aka weak. That is a you problem. I know you try to make it a high tier men thing to justify it, but you are only fooling yourself.

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@Vegasrunner I said I would just copy paste it and here it is!

"You don't cheat only if you are married. And the scandals were fake news. I am going to copy paste this next time you ask."

Thanks in being so predictable.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 That's simply something you need to believe to justify your own beliefs. The irony of your statement is the original question is based on the same saying from a high tier man, so much like a female you're attempting to disqualify everyone until you hear something that makes you feel better.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Every single cheating scandal is fake news? That sound realistic to you?

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@Vegasrunner unless you are in a polygamous relationship you made a commitment. So you have two options.
1. Either you cheated because you can't resist. In that case you are just a weak minded fool who thinks with this dick instead of his brain.
2. You could resist but you did it anyway so you are a degenerate liar who can't keeps word commitment and honor.

Those are the only two options. Neither of them describe a man worthy of respect.

If I think every single scandal is false? No.
Do you think every single scandal is true?

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 That is certainly a POV you are free to hold however your "respect" holds little to no value. Every "scandal doesn't need to be true for my statement to be valid just enough cheating scandals combined w/ the ones you never hear about to validate that men are only as faithful as their options. You wouldn't be the best to speak on this because you dont have many options.

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@Vegasrunner just because I don't have a chainsaw and never murder anyone doesn't mean I can't judge a murderer. Just because I never had as much options as some men do doesn't mean I can't accurately judge the ethics of their wrong doing.

You don't need to be or do the same as another to know whatever what they do is wrong or not. Obviously.

So Wich one is it? Number one or number two.

Please the only two that have scandals are supposed scandals with other men. Do you want to believe them be my guess.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 No but it does mean you dont understand how to kill so you would be ignorant on the subject. Judgement is free and anyone can do it so that's not really saying much. You're more than welcome to your opinion as most people's come from their background and as you stated your background comes from women giving you your dating advice so your opinion is exactly how I would imagine it would be.

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@Vegasrunner you are not getting it. I don't I ow how to kill... Oh wait I do. Just like I know how to cheat. Not on my wife but I have done it in a relationship before. I was young and stupid.
I never killed, but I can. And even if I couldn't, I could still say it's wrong. Even if I had never cheated, I could still say it's wrong.
It's as simple as that it is wrong. Regardless of what reason it is you broke a commitment you had with another person for a futile reason. Regardless of the excuses and justifications one can tell it is what it is.

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@Vegasrunner so which one is it? Number one or number two?

1. Either you cheated because you can't resist. In that case you are just a weak minded fool who thinks with this dick instead of his brain.
2. You could resist but you did it anyway so you are a degenerate liar who can't keeps word commitment and honor.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 You've just invalidated your stance. You've even admitted you've cheated yet now because asuage your own guilt you've decided to take a moral stance against it. You should probably stop and think b4 responding because know you've added hypocrisy to your belief.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 I would not be the best person to speak on someone else's beliefs. This is an opinion and premise held by you so only you could answer that question.

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@Vegasrunner but I admitted. I was young and stupid. If you are giving me reason then you are also insulting the ones you call high value men.
I look back with shame and regret. I had zero repercussions from it, but I have a conscious.

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@Vegasrunner this is not an opinion. You only have those two choices.
So number one or number two?

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Lol that doesn't change the fact that you did it. If anything it invalidates your entire argument as even a basic dude like you took advantage of another option. So to then preach and pretend as if this concept is foreign is extremely disingenuous. To continue my theme that is a very female trait.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Your premise is simply an opinion and you saying that it isn't doesn't change that. You see this a lot today where people pretend their belief is a world view. In reality is just an opinion and unfortunately I can't answer a question based on an opinion I dont hold. You would have to first find someone that holds that POV and ask them.

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@Vegasrunner Yes I did. Because I was young and stupid. Unless you are calling all men that you consider high value stupid then my point does stand. As if men all are incapable of making good decisions. Specially since I had opportunities to cheat after that and I have never done it again.

It's not an opinion. It's logic. If you made a commitment it's either one or the other. I don't need to ask. Just like I don't need to ask a murderer POV to know what it was done was wrong. Just like you can.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 You would have to remind me what your point is again.

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@Vegasrunner you know what? Nevermind. This is never going anywhere anyway.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 That's probably a good idea. Sounds like you need more experience to accurately discuss this topic.

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@Vegasrunner experience doing or believing something that is wrong only makes you sunk faster.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 You're to caught up on subjective terms like right and wrong good and bad. If you dont feel comfortable doing something no one is telling you to do it. I think the issue comes when you believe everyone else needs to adhere to your moral standards (another female trait by the way)

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@Vegasrunner do you think breaking a commitment on no good reason is subjective? Ignoring your honour, your word and the love you have for another? That is subjective?

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Breaking is commitment is tangible. Honor and Love are not.

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@Vegasrunner with that I agree. Depending on who you are you can cheat and still live the person you are committed with as well as not feel your honor tainted. Takes a very wired person for that, but I have to agree it's possible.
But like you just said, commitment was broken regardless. The value of the cheater's word is less valuable than pussy. You call that a man?

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Do I call what a man?

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@Vegasrunner someone who fails to his word and integrity for pussy.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 There may be a language barrier. Are you asking me do I call someone who fails to keep their word a man?

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@Vegasrunner do you call a man someone who fails to keep his word and integrity for pussy?

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 I dont really understand your question. There may be a language barrier because the question doesn't really make sense and I'm not sure what you're trying to ask or what it has to do w/ the original conversation.

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@Vegasrunner how don't you understand the question? I can make it here, since we are on a site about questions and we will see if it's a language barrier or you are the one who doesn't want to answer.

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@Vegasrunner Do you understand better like this?
Do you call someone who fails to keep his word and integrity for pussy a man?

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Yea you can post it and maybe someone else will understand it better.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Unfortunately I can only say I dont understand the question and I would have to write a book to thoroughly articulate the confusion.

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@Vegasrunner I have. 2 thought it was a troll question. Other two answered it. One called the guy a simp for chosing pussy over his word.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Vegasrunner I got answers so the issue is not the language. Maybe you just don't want to answer.

[Vegasrunner]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Nice! So you got an answer so you dont need one from me?

[Vegasrunner]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 We'll we dont really know that because it would depend on where the other two guys are from.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Vegasrunner you still want to play this? You have understood the question you just don't want to answer it. Anyway I agree with the guy. Turning your back on your commitment over pussy is attitude of a simp.
Do you have anything else to say?

[Vegasrunner]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 There's nothing for me to "say". In todays world a lot of people will go and search for someone to agree w/ their beliefs because a lot of average people have a difficult time accepting other POV's that differ from them. I dont understand the question nor the over arching premise but if you got an answer not sure why you need my opinion. I dont judge people for their opinions I just listen which is probably what's made me so successful in life.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Vegasrunner I agree with that. I have been around this site enough to know that. Still I like to argue.

[Vegasrunner]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 That's not uncommon in todays society. For me GAG has been an invaluable source of information and in my opinion has made me even more successful w/ women. I've always wondered what would happen if men were allowed to speak openly regarding relationships fortunately a few platforms like GAG allow for the ability to do that a little.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Vegasrunner I just come here to debate. I like to discuss ideas.

[Vegasrunner]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Gotcha. I'm less interested in debating as I am in listening and learning other POV's.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Vegasrunner anyway this was fun.

[Vegasrunner]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Ditto

[Cathy7734]

I do not believe ALL men would cheat if they had the opportunity.
There are many men who are faithful to their wives and wouldn't cheat.
There are men who want to live a celibate lifestyle.
There are men who wouldn't cheat because of the repercussions.
There are men who hate people and want nothing to do with anyone.
And the list goes on.

[Anonymous]

If you've a great guy there's always some where that thinks they can take him from you. I make sure my man has no jam left in his jar when he goes out.

[UniquelyBasic]

Is that raven?

[Kaamraj]

Then you kust define what constitutes as cheating as per Mr. Kevin Samuels. A man shows his loyalty by being exclusive with his resources not sexually. So as long as you are the main woman in his life, you have the last name, marital home, claim on his resources, he's not cheating.

[crossdressingrihno]

No I can guarantee you I specifically wouldn't

Honestly I'm the kind of guy who would rather just pour everything into one person then have to deal with the crap of a whole bunch of people

Cheating is not an option for me emotionally speaking that said if my emotional needs are not getting met I'm going to give you a warning and then I leave because a relationship that doesn't feel good where efforts not getting put in just isn't worth my time

[robbenn69]

I think the 80% of guys are being disingenuous. I don't believe the majority of men go around looking to cheat. But if a woman comes onto a man, men have easily bruised egos, so a woman hitting on him is a definite ego boost and he might be more likely to cheat. Also, it depends on the guy. Some are more faithful and dependable than others. But I would be curious to have the question the other way. Because girls are constantly being hit on, what is the likelihood of them not cheating?

[jestergent]

Yes, it's natural instinct. This goes for women aswell. I did a lot of article hunting and info gather for 10 years periodically on cheating. It happened a lot to me. Then I go in and say what is going on. I don't cheat? Wait... a woman saying as I am?

To be short about it, I 'feel' we make a conscious effort to be wonderful people, with great morals, that we would never want to hurt one another. We work hard to care for our loved ones, and their feelings.

[VikingWarLord]

Depends how hot the biitch is. If she's under a 7 out of 10 in looks I know I can get hotter. I've also cheated on every ex with small tits. Ironically, the ones who found out wanted me MORE afterwards when they saw the hotter bitches I could snag with bigger tits.

[zeitgeist057]

This. There is a lot of power in "status". The more you have, the more you get.

[Paul09]

That's so f'd up

[Anonymous]

I’m gonna VOTE YES. And because mainly I’ve seen it happen with my own two eyes time and time again.
If the man in question is young and attractive even… he’ll cheat.
99.99999 % that he’ll cheat for sure.

You’re gonna need to find some kind of weak man. Some kinds of beta man. Some kind of simp. Nerd. Weirdo. Who don’t stand a chance and don’t get action like that

[Anonymous]

Well that depens. Because of the timing and circumstances... like you can get along with some women... not just with your girlfriend. you both carry a good conversation, your mind is empty, there is chemistry, the place is beautiful, you are in a good mood... and then you kinda think about to cuddle and lean in for a kiss. I mean all what I am saying is, that it could happen UNPREPARED/NOT PLANNED.

But before this happens, I would talk with your girlfriend about it.

[TonyMetal___86]

And according to me it's a no...
The proof is i never cheat even if i had all the chances in the world to cheat...
If i got married than i'll be loyal to my wife and would never cheat and most important i won't have to cheat because she will be more than enough for me...

[cookiecrusher]

I have plenty of opportunities.

A mans word should mean something.

Guys who cheat are pussies. They are too afraid to tell a woman what they want.

A "high value" man would tell a woman what type of a relationship he is looking for and that he likes to entertain some beautiful women on the side, who mean nothing more than just fun sex.

Not sneak around like a damn fool.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Don't listen to that fool. He says he is a 9.

I had that opportunity. After a farewell dinner at my previous job we went for drinks and a girl there made a move on me. Not super cute, but amazing body.
Told her no I am married.

I am loyal and funny enough that seems to be so rare these days that I am actually proud of it. Even if somehow my love for my wife wasn't enough, my pride would keep me from cheating.

[oralmajiq]

Have been with my wife for 10 years and had an opportunity just about every year, and at this point she's with her mother in Maui, and it's been approximately 5months and still have no reason to do something of the sort... As long as the man is taking care of and truly loved there's no reason to go outside of our "'box"... If you know what I mean 😉

[laurieluvsit]

VOTE C : ALL would not, but MOST would under the right circumstances if they felt that they wouldn't get caught

[Anonymous]

Funny i was on the rocks in a relationship years ago and the thought crossed my mind. I did have a few opportunities. But I did the right thing and abstained out of respect.

She on the other hand f*cking cheated and tried to blame me because she was “upset”.

How often do you see men using the “i was upset” excuse when it comes to cheating? Really.

[proNutro]

I’m going to say no because I still have hope that there’s some guys out there that just never would because they know better.
I know there’s a lot of guys out there that would no matter what

[honeynut-scenarios]

I’d like to think with age, temptation goes away. A man who knows what he has, and doesn’t want to lose it would not cheat.

[once_u_go_black]

Men are visual creatures & they have very little self control when it comes to sex
If any man knew he had the opportunity to get some a** without any consequences/no repercussions I truly believe wholeheartedly that he would take that opportunity & run with it
it’s just in their nature to smash as much tail as possible

[cth96190]

All that I wanted of women was one special woman to love.
When I love a woman, I am not interested in anyone else.
God, decided that I should not have that love.

[Cathy7734]

What do you mean, "God decided that I should not have that love." How do you know this?

[John_Doesnt]

No, it's only because of an alien space wizard casting a spell of sexual addiction.

[MCheetah]

Nah. I don't agree on Kevin Samuels on everything, and this is one of those things he's wrong about.

[Ukrainianbuddafly]

This is absurd. In my younger days I thought like this but only immature emotional unavailable little boys feel like that. A MAN doesn't.

[Adam1978]

If spoiled rotten from birth probably but what man is? So it's usually a certain type that does it. Majority won't if treated right.

[Anonymous]

No. I wouldn't cheat on my wife. Fuck that. I don't care how hot you are. Now if you are just a casual date then I would dump you and then do what I need to do maybe. But if it is my wife. Na. Nobody has shit on my wife. Fuck outta here.

[20yearsolder]

I don't know who Kevin Samuels is but he can't speak for everyone.

[SlothySlob]

Yes and no. Though I lean more towards no.
My reasoning is that, there are men who would weigh their options more than others.

[RationalMale]

No. Some people, men or women, will absolutely cheat if they can. And other people will not and will physically repulsed at the idea of having sex with others.

[RobT312]

Nope. No reason to cheat if you are satisfied in your relationship, not just sexually

[Juxtapose]

I wouldn't, I am far too proud to be laid down so low by my primal impulses.

Shame be cast upon the adulterous swine!

[JustinTheGreat]

I’m happy in my relationship and I would never cheat. Even if I was unhappy, I would either work it out or break up

[Guccigabbana18]

Not if he’s really into/loves the person he’s dating. If he’s not that arsed about her, then yes

[Anonymous]

Of course not. I'm always surprised by questions like this from women considering women your age cheat more than men.

[TommyMountainFigure]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I never have and never would.

[OneNineZero]

It's the same question with women
And the answer is same too

[NathanDavis]

nope... never have, never did, never would, never will...

[DarkWinterNights]

In this day and age and under the right conditions? Probably.

[Shamalien]

Not all, but a lot of people in this world think that if they can get away with something then it’s okay. Choose your man wisely.

[huzail]

Guyz and girls both can cheat , definitely I am giving you easy example. I have android 11T smart phone.. if I have opportunity to get iphone 14 . Definitely I will leave android and get iphone

[Zolly99999]

No.. not if the relationship was going well.. it seems to happen when there is a long time issue with the relationship.. also women are far more likely to cheat as it is much much easier for them..

[IveGotNoName]

No of course not. Some terrible people of course would though.

[megabamse]

Even if i know i could get away with it, I would not if I'm truly are in love

[Paul09]

A real man has respect, loyalty, and self control. No I would never. I do to others what I want done to me

[MountAverage]

That would mean that no man in the history of mankind has ever turned down such an oppurtunity. What an insane thing to believe.

[GMANN56]

PEOPLE cheat. I know just as many women who have cheated as guys.
Hell, most all of the one night stands I ever had was women cheating.

[zagor]

A) No

B) Most generalizations are not true across the board

C) Who TF is Kevin Samuels

[Asker]

c) lol search him on yt

[Anonymous]

If it's with the right girl, at the right time, and if the chance is high that their partner wouldn't find out... yes.

[Tjw78]

I wouldn't cheat, I have too much respect for myself to drop down to that level.

[genericname85]

No. People that day such things are cheaters. That's why they say it.

[Bubbles16]

Not all men are cheaters there are some out there who are really loyal to their partners

[Mangospacho]

Kevin Samuels is a smart guy but it’s more likely that HE would cheat if he had the opportunity.