I'm talking about in real life ans over the apps. The apps is literally makes it easy to ask a girl out. Yet, I've found a ton of men who want the female attention through messages with no intention of asking her out.
These are just a few examples. You can be the "perfect" guy - good-looking, huge income, vacations, helps around the house, etc., and it's never enough - and all a woman has to do is decide that "she's not happy" because she was expecting some kind of perfect life where she was always happy every minute of every day - and the guy is devastated and often financially raped and/or loses access to his children.
Plus, too many women are addicted to gossip and drama and conflict, and create a home environment of conflict and chaos instead of one of peace, and what men need at home is PEACE.
Then, let's talk about the ENDLESS list of "icks" that women have - the most recent one was a woman who is upset at the idea that a man might order a SOFT DRINK for dinner - you know, when (in her words) he takes her out to a high-end steakhouse to eat tomahawk steaks, and she has to "sit there and listen to the bubbles" and "be embarrassed because he's not drinking a grown-up drink (read: liquor). There's a guy who is collecting the "icks" women are reporting, and he's currently up around 2600 "icks". Some of those "icks" include the man being cold, the man playing with his kids, drinking out of a bottle (any kind), and wearing anything other than dress shoes (because "men" cannot wear sneakers outside a gym).
And while the Asker may be great and not have any of these issues, SO MANY women do that tons of men have just written women off completely, and are choosing to find other things to do rather than invest any of their time, money, or effort into women. Most of these men aren't part of any group, and they don't really talk about it - they just silently decided "no more" and just go about their lives, not avoiding women but avoiding establishing relationships with women.
I don't personally agree with that solution, but I certainly understand the motivation. Most women, when they think about what things are like as a man, always think of a top 1% man - the handsome, wealthy, popular, social, high-status man that she's so attracted to - but those men lead COMPLETELY different lives than the vast majority of men, who are largely invisible to most women. The majority of women have NO IDEA what average men experience, and the few women who have experienced a bit of that have been shocked by how terrible women treat men. Writer Norah Vincent, who tried to live as a man for 2 years (and had to stop after 18 months, because her depression was so intense) ended up killing herself because she was so devastated by her experience living as a man, in particular because - in stark contrast to when she lived as a woman - she realized that NO ONE CARED ABOUT HER when she was living as a man.
There are multiple reasons, but to sum it all up, women and relationships are not what they used to be. In the past, the goal of any straight man was to find a good woman, marry her, settle down and start a family. That was the carrot, so to speak, that motivated men to date. But marriage today looks nothing like marriage of the past, so that carrot is more like a rotten apple. Half of marriages end in divorce, women file 80% of them, and it's no secret that men typically get screwed in divorce court and child custody.
Those are the risks men face in marriage today, but the rewards have also dwindled. In the past, a man worked hard at his job all day and looked forward to coming home to a prepared meal and a relaxing evening with his family. But today, women are working too, so all of the chores that used to get done during the day have to be done in the evening and on the weekends. And men are expected to do half of those or be scorned for being a jerk.
Add to that the fact that casual sex is the norm today, whereas in the past most people waited for marriage. Sex was part of that carrot I mentioned, but it isn't anymore. The expectation is that men can get sex without having to subject themselves to the risks and costs of marriage, and even without a committed relationship.
In short, women have made marriage too expensive, and sex too cheap. Women changed the rules and expected men to just go along with it and keep playing the game, but they're not. Men are playing a different game now, and it's about satisfying their sexual needs without committment. And women are pressured to play that game too because they know if they don't, the next woman will. Women have truly shot themselves in the foot and ruined things for both sexes, and society as a whole.
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Why would a man ask a woman out these days? We all know that he's going to end up broke and she will leave him in the middle of the road and find someone else to carry on!
I saw a lot of women doing this, just using men for their own benefits...
A man asks a woman out o get to know each other, get engaged and than ger married, ofc if everything works out with them...
These days it ain't like that anymore, women are just using men and some men thinks that if he pays the bill than he will receive a sexual service but receives this instead 🖕🏻
Because women have so many expectations (many of them unrealistic) and always looking for nonexistant subtext to everything a guy says, the lack of straightforward honesty, and the ghosting, that guys are tired of the bullshite.
Also, people just want to hookups nowadays, then jump into relationships if the sex is good, instead of getting to know each other.
Dating is almost dead and mainly for those already in relationships.
Dating society has devolved into absolute bullshite, that many guys have given up dating for the "just have fun" single life. Just as many women are tired of asshole loser dudes, who can't take rejection and accept it, and have next to no emotional intelligence.
The older generation just has a harder time meeting women. It's not like a 55 year old man can go to the pub and meet a woman like he could when he was in his 20s.
The newer generation is part of the the hook-up culture. Too many women see their sex and bodies as a commodity to flaunt to get attention and sex (See WAP or Anaconda).
Younger men looking for a soul-mate may be confused on where to go, how to figure out which women want what, and so on. It may seem to them women don't want relationships , but just want hooks up.
Yeah but I’ve heard a lot of girls do that too. That being said, it’s the same in high school. Only a few guys are confident enough to ask girls out, and of those only about half get accepted by the girls they ask out. So yeah, dating is rough. I heard it gets better in college though. The guys get more confident.
What reason would men have to risk everything to ask out a woman? Women have made themselves undateable. It is safer financially, physically, mentally, emotionally and legally to not date a woman. Specifically those in western countries. I was lucky and married an Eastern European which in recent years has seen an influx of men as they realize Eastern European women are infinitely better.
I never had a boyfriend and will be 27. I been meeting guys but none are asking for dates it’s very strange…. I see all girls in public with baby and boyfriend but how they got that if men don’t ask for dates anymore?
1. I hardly ever get likes or matches on the apps
2. Either I get unmatched for asking them out too soon, or they ghost me if I wait too long…
3. I’m not conventionally attractive in the eyes of most women, so why would I bother competing with guys who are more desirable? I don’t play games I don’t have a good chance of winning
Men are simply tired of being rejected when they shoot their shot, as well as being treated like dirt so much so that they don't even bother asking anymore.
The Feminism Movement has been incredibly toxic in the global dating scene to the point 👉 where many women have said that they don't need a man and are strong and independent.
Because of this, men are checking out and are simply happy remaining single so they can enjoy their own life in peace and solitude 😊
From my experiences, young women nowadays are incredibly immature and emotional. I just think girls want situationships and nothing significant. I think a lot of girls and young women are jaded by guys/men and then paint all men with one brush. I have dealt with this numerous and I'm tired of girls running their mouth like im a piece of shit when I actually show compassion, real talk, compliment her but not over compliment her, ask how she's doing, don't talk about sex or get sexual so she doesn't view me as "one of those guys". Girls/women are confusing and guys don't want that drama nowadays either.
Simple test. Would you go out with me?
100% serious.
Will you work with me to figure out the logistics and plan out a date?
Possibility of false accusations, women mostly use men for money and bring nothing but stress to a man's life. Plus, realistically, once a woman is past 30, most good quality men that have options won't even consider her.
The #MeToo movement screwed everything up. It's made it unsafe for a man to even step in a woman's direction without being reported for harassment or being creepy. Whether it be in person or online.
It's just not worth the effort. Asking women out usually gets you blown off and/or otherwise treated like shit. And, on the off chance you don't get rejected out of pocket, lots of women intentionally waste your time. Many other times, they'll change their minds at the drop of a dime, so you effectively waste your time that way as well.
A lot of women today treat men like their personal punching bags, so the possible relationships mostly aren't even worth it.
#rant … Real Men ask Real women out all the time , and real men and real women go out on dates and experience real connections , and real men and women don’t keep complaining about rejection or being asked too much … I honestly suffer from fatigue over how often this question is asked and HOW it’s asked in reference to ALL men… then all the typical responses from the incels and bitter men , militant feminists or air-head women etc. just do you !
Because of the "me too" insanity and that it's becoming a crime for a heterosexual male - especially if he's white - to exist around a woman because she might be a feminazi waiting to complain about sexism, harassment and sexual assault.
Guys ask girls out, girls ask guys out. Don’t use apps as they are fairly crap, real world is where you do stuff.
I think some guys walk away from it and leave it to luck, especially if they've been turned down a few times. It goes to their head and makes them feel inadequate.
Well, part of the issue is the fair of being seen as creepy or being falsely accused of assault I feel.
Well #metoo didn’t exactly help much. Yeah it’s been a few year but it did some lasting damage.
Because they’re all into that redpill Manosphere mentality.
Why? because men are all narcissists Scientifically proven, narcissistic.
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