Do you eat dairy? Why?

[Anonymous]

Thinking about reducing my dairy intake because I want to lose weight a little quicker, and my tummy is super sensitive. :(
It really doesn't give you that much calcium it actually makes your bones weaker. So I don't see much reason to keep it up. :p
What do you think? :)

I do eat dairy, here is why!

I don't eat dairy, here's why!

[rjroy3]

Milk doesn't make your bones weaker.
The only way milk can make you weaker is having some kind of intolerance to it. The calcium in the milk along with the vitamin D is what allows the body to use the calcium to strengthen our bones.

e-nrp.org/DOIx.php?id=10.4162/nrp.2013.7.5.409

Study done on the exact subject in late 2013.

That said, I personally don't eat as much dairy as I used to because it's really easy to consume a lot of dairy fast and it's relatively high calorie. So if fat loss is your goal, cutting out dairy for awhile is a helpful tool in fat loss. It's best to avoid all liquid calories if fat loss is the goal. You want satiating foods that leave you feeling satisfied AND fall within your calorie restrictions. Picking foods that taste good is ideal.

[Asker]

I've seen that article and unless it cites its "serveral studies" I discount it, as that usually means its studies are funded by the dairy industry themselves.
I agree dairy should be taken out if you're losing fat, because it is basically liquid flesh lok

[rjroy3]

*shrugs*
Well there's really not any solid science or physical evidence behind claiming it weakens your bones. You have to be an ardent defender of a cause to feel otherwise. But from a purely scientific standpoint there's no evidence.

Yea. I'd give leeway to adding cheese on a fatloss program. But moderate obviously. You still need a certain amount of fats and carbs.

[Asker]

Yes there is, I will explain. Studies were done by a man at Cornell university. When the administration saw his findings he was let go because the dairy industry had been funding their studies, and his were not in their favor (shows just how little studies of truth could get out)

[Asker]

The studies basically said:
Like all animal protein, milk acidifies the body pH which in turn triggers a biological correction. Calcium is an excellent acid neutralizer and the biggest storage of calcium in the body is in the bones. So the very same calcium that our bones need to stay strong is utilized to neutralize the acidifying effect of milk. Once calcium is pulled out of the bones, it leaves the body via the urine, so that the surprising net result after this is an actual calcium deficit.

In fact, statistics show that countries with the lowest consumption of dairy products also have the lowest fracture incidence in their population

[rjroy3]

And that's a great story with no sources.

I'm to take your word that "someone" with no name at a major well known university did a study. That the man didn't like and therefore fired him. And that there was physical proof the dairy industry as a whole (which is actually a series of companies unrelated to one another, including local farms) funded said study.

That sounds like a movie script

[rjroy3]

The body does self regulate it's pH levels, but it doesn't extract calcium from your bones. It can only use free flowing calcium in the blood

[Asker]

False. I had a couple cites for this but it's lost in my browser history haha
Watch the documentary forks over knives, they have studies that aren't funded by the dairy industry. Once you look at studies proven to be funded by a third party, then we could debate. But for now the cites you have shown are not third party

[Asker]

Calcium from milk is hardly absorbed into bone, most remains in the blood

[rjroy3]

Lost in your browser history = you have no sources.

Forks over knives is vegan propaganda so they're hardly unbiased and I don't see how their studies can be considered third party since they have skin in the game. They hate meat and dairy, therfore anything that promotes those being bad for humans is good for them.
Like I said before, unless you're an ardent defender for a cause. There's no solid science backing the claim that calcium weakens bones, nor physical evidence.

And for bone absorption is dependant upon the vitamin D content. If you're vitamin D deficient then no your bones won't absorb that much. That's why most milk now is D fortified, because in the US most people are vitamin D deficient. But even a low level of vitamin D in milk goes a long way for absorption.

[Asker]

Why do you say that? Because they are right? What's wrong with promoting veganism if it has helped many people be healthy?
In that case, NOTHING is unbiased. If you had found research to show something Americans were regularly consuming is dangerous, would you not stand behind that cause?
Also, what reason would they have? Healthy people do not make money, sick and fat people do.
There is no need to attack my character. Here are sources. Damn.

https://saveourbones.com/osteoporosis-milk-myth/

anhinternational.org/.../

www.realfarmacy.com/.../

The reason I believe studies like this is because they are not funded by the industry themselves.

[rjroy3]

You're making assumptions about my reasoning and responding to your assumptions, not what was actually said.

I never said anything was wrong with promoting veganism. There isn't. What I said was, because their ultimate goal is to convince everyone to switch to a vegan diet that is a big enough reason for them to pay scientists to give them results they want. So they can use it to convince others.

Which if you think about it is the exact same reasoning, when you think "the dairy industry" pays for other studies. Also, you never stated how you know how funded what study. Where is the proof that shows it was funded by companies in the dairy industry? Because the study was done in Korea and paid for by Korean companies. It sounds like you don't trust it, because it says something you don't already believe.

And I wasn't attacking your character. My goal was for you to present your sources instead of just saying you have them and tried using that as proof. You did :), so thank you

[Asker]

"their ultimate goal is to convince everyone to switch to a vegan diet" and you know there motives how? Why would they want to change everyone's diet if there is no money in that? No-- they are simply promoting health from their findings.
I didn't say yours was for sure funded by the dairy industry, I said I don't trust it because if it doesn't prove it wasn't, then it could very well be.

[rjroy3]

I'm reading these one by one.

You second source is not a good one.
That site has a link to the actual study.
That study was not peer reviewed by anyone to make sure it was done properly (which is what I mean when I say, "solid science").
But even as just a basic level, all they did was give people questionnaires on their food habits. Then took some notes on it.
They didn't verify that these people actually ate what they said they do. There was no measure of how much junk food they may or may not have eaten. It's all over the place. The way they conducted the stud there's no way to know if your conclusions are even remotely true.

[Asker]

Okay cool 1 of 3.
We are even talking about the issue

[Asker]

Aren't

[rjroy3]

This is a direct quote from your third study.

"6 However, although higher milk consumption during formative years can contribute to greater bone density, it is also associated with greater height,17,18 which is an independent risk factor for hip fracture.19,20"

They straight up say milk leads to higher bone density in later life. The issues that you run into when you're older is usually due to the height of the individual. Not that milk made your bones weaker

[Asker]

Yup. Later. But it does say other issues.

[rjroy3]

The first source you gave I'm last because it's the biggest.

The articles first claim "Milk depletes the calcium from your bones".

She never presents a study that proves this to be the case. Yes, she has a master's. But many others with masters degrees disagree with her on this subject.

[Asker]

Actually she DIRECTLY quotes the American Journal of Epidemiology.

“Consumption of dairy products, particularly at age 20 years, was associated with an increased risk of hip fracture in old age. (“Case-Control Study of Risk Factors for Hip Fractures in the Elderly”. American Journal of Epidemiology. Vol. 139, No. 5, 1994).

[Asker]

You have not disproven anything love.

[rjroy3]

Her following claim "Scientific studies show that milk increases fracture risk" is quoted by a study I don't have access to. I'm only finding the abstract, so I can't speak on that study

[rjroy3]

Read your own source.

The first statement she makes there is no Study to prove it.

The quote you are talking about is to prove the second statement. And that's te quote from the study I can't access

[Asker]

Yeah not on the internet x3
Its a direct quote.

[Asker]

I did read it and it proves my point. You disagreeing means nothing.

[Anonymous]

Yeah I eat greek yogurt at night with some casein protein mixed. Pretty much taste like chocolate pudding.. so good. But I'm cutting weight I definitely avoid dairy. You want your protein sources to derive from lean chicken breast and fish. Carbs from vegetables. Good fats like avocados and nuts. Don't worry about calcium defiency you are so young that it will not really matter. I might be a bodybuilder and I'm sure that's not what you trying do lol. Either way I'm good at manipulating body composition.

[NoClueFrau]

I like milk in the morning because apart from calcium too it has many benefits like being liquid it digests faster than most solids and fills the tummy.
Buttermilk is actually really helpful for digestion. A bit of salt in it does miracle.
Jogurt also has same benefits for the gut.
I am not a fan of cheese though it is tasty.

Apart from all the benefits. Milk is tasty <3

[Asker]

Milk in moderation can have benefits yes.
You're lucky! Any form of dairy brings my digestive system to a stop :(

[NoClueFrau]

Milk is like a wholesome food
Actually milk after lunch does me a lot bad :D but I have buttermilk with salt instead.

www.elixirwanted.com/.../

[Asker]

Sometimes and I'm moderation. I'm not sure what you mean by wholesome

[NoClueFrau]

Wholesome as in milk is a combination of protein, fat, calcium, and a low calorie sweetener called lactose... a combo of many nutrients in minute quantities.
Are you lactose intolerant?

[Asker]

I have not been tested so I cannot say for sure. I believe that milk does more harm than good in the amount the American diet consists of.

[NoClueFrau]

If it is in extreme levels of consumption in American diet, then it would do much harm. Milk does isn't suiting your body.

[NoClueFrau]

*remove does xD

[Asker]

I agree. I listen to my body and it says no haha

[NoClueFrau]

Then listen to it ;) Statistics may lie but body doesn't :D

[Cmasterson]

I don't eat dairy solely because it doesn't make me feel good- and in the past I've been lactose intolerant so that also hinders.

[Asker]

Same

[Flex4Ever]

The industry is filled with torture, exploitation and physical and mental abuse. It's also bad for humans to consume any animal product at all. That's why I don't buy or drink/eat dairy products.

[Asker]

Agree. I worked on a dairy farm and it was scary.

[AWiserFool]

I have a little greek yogurt and some milk weekly. Mostly, I don't want become a lactie and spend the rest of my life bitching about not being able to eat pizza, cereal, yogurt, mexican food, cheeseburgers, etc. Those people are annoying and if I can prevent becoming one, I will.

Also, a little milk cannot be bad for you. My grandmother both lived to be over 96 and drank milk pretty often

[Asker]

My great grandpa smoked and lived to 92. Smoking can't be bad for you.

[AWiserFool]

Point taken. I do wish I could get unpasterized milk but though. It should be healthier if it doesn't give you a baterial disease.

[Asker]

Very true!

[justbanANNAz]

i do eat dairy, here's why:
BECAUSE I LIKE IT! :D

as u said though, eating too much isn't a good idea, but everything in moderation is fine and exercising is always recommended of course.

[lumos]

I do eat dairy products because I love milk. And I love cheese too, we just had raclette with the family a couple of days ago. Considering that I'm underweight, gaining weight is not something I have to worry about.

[AllegedCanadian]

I don't eat dairy because of animals rights reasons and because there are plenty of dairy-free substitutes that taste delicious.

[allahu_snackbar]

I do, because milk is tasty, cheese is tasty, ice cream is tasty.

[rgb008]

I do, but it makes me feel gross.
I've been cutting it out lately.

[Asker]

Same it gives me acne

[rgb008]

I just started drinking almond milk and it's amazing. Tastes better than actual milk and doesn't make me feel disgusting lol.

[Asker]

I too drink almond milk!! Best milk substitute for sure!!

[kambo_trick3y]

Yeah, I love cheese. Thank God I'm not lactose intolerant like my family.

[MissNowhere]

Yeah, but not too much.
Why? Cause I'm vegetarian, not vegan. At least not yet. Need it sometimes.

[ScruffynateAK]

I eat it because it's delicious.
It's probably the only halfway nutritious thing I eat, apart from a bunch of eggs.

[blondfrog]

Yeah so I can grow strong bones I am a big boy now.

[Asker]

It makes your bones weaker :p

[blondfrog]

no it don't like :P lol its especially important for women since higher levels of estrogen has been linked to arthritis like diseases.

[Asker]

You have been misinformed

[CoolSky01]

i think you are misinformed...

[Asker]

@CoolSky01 okay, how? Always open to learning.

[rjroy3]

No you're not lol

[rjroy3]

Sorry to hijack your comment blondfrog.
She blocked me, because she didn't like the fact she can't dispute what I said.

[rjroy3]

And her name is @ShepherdOfFire99

She went anonymous after I sent my last comment : )

[daremetwo]

Where are you getting your info from? Please supply a link?

[Asker]

Documentary on Netflix called Forks over Knives. My sister is studying nutrition and confirms

[daremetwo]

Well I'm still going to eat & drink dairy products.

[Asker]

Lol I don't care silly :p

[PurpleTeardrops]

I don't eat dairy. Don't like it

[Prettygurl12]

I do eat dairy... why? Ice cream.

[Asker]

That's fair lol

[apple24]

I drink diary becauuse it part of my culture!

[jakeofalltrades]

i eat it because it is good

[Asker]

That's fair lol

[Polocrew]

Milk will get you big son

[Asker]

Agree. I'm cutting currently, so why would I eat or drink something that triples newborns size in a few months lol

[Polocrew]

Becuase it'd preserve your muscles while cutting? Duh. Cut or bulk, I drink it everyday with whey thrice a day

[Asker]

You can get plenty of protien for muscles without eating meat OR dairy

[Polocrew]

I know I can but its easier that way, I do 225 g proteins everyday , bulking right now. And 175 usually during cutting

[Asker]

That's fair haha I don't judge how you do you :p
I prefer to take spirulina as it has more protien than meat&& dairy and I put on muscle pretty fast

[Polocrew]

I love my bod but that'd be pretty gay and baha yea? What else :-p My two protein scoops have more proteins then that doe, js:p

[Asker]

Ahhh its a masculine thing okay okay thats fair x3
I take protien powder too :p however spirulina has moreee than enough to substitute meat

[Polocrew]

Bahaha :-p Well that's a very specific choice two tuna cans can cover :p js

[Asker]

My abs don't want them calories silly goose :p

[Polocrew]

My abs love em doe :-p

[Asker]

That's fair you do you 😜

[Polocrew]

Again that'd be pretty gay but I might try lmao :-p

[Asker]

😨 oh my that was not my intention hahah

[Polocrew]

I mean you kinda keep saying that :-p baha

[Asker]

I have no explanation im sorry 😂

[Polocrew]

It's ok, people have far wierder fetishes these days... baba :-p

[Asker]

Huehue. You have no idea. 😂🙈

[Polocrew]

It's ok I won't tell :-p

[bubbletrouble]

I eat dairy products because of calcium

[Anonymous]

Diary is healthy and delicious.

[Asker]

How is it healthy? I'm not attacking, just want to know :)

[Opinion Owner]

It provides vitamins and calcium.

[Asker]

Milk weakens bones, so that discounts the calcium.
Vitamins can be easily attained with plants.
So?

[Opinion Owner]

Science proves you wrong on the first and I like it.

Look we're all going to die, I'd rather eat and drink what I want than to live a shitty, boring healthy life.

[Asker]

Science prove me right darling :)
I do agree that if you like something you should eat it

[Opinion Owner]

It doesn't because calcium strengthens bone density.

I eat so much more dairy than my cousin and I have never broken a bone, he's broken three.

[Asker]

Not only do we barely absorb the calcium in cow’s milk (especially if pasteurized) it actually increases calcium loss from the bones.

Here’s how it happens. Like all animal protein, milk acidifies the body pH which in turn triggers a biological correction. Calcium is an excellent acid neutralizer and the biggest storage of calcium in the body is in the bones. So the very same calcium that our bones need to stay strong is utilized to neutralize the acidifying effect of milk. Once calcium is pulled out of the bones, it leaves the body via the urine, so that the surprising net result after this is an actual calcium deficit.

Knowing this, you’ll understand why statistics show that countries with the lowest consumption of dairy products also have the lowest fracture incidence in their population (there’s more on this later).

But the sad truth is that most mainstream health practitioners ignore these PROVEN FACTS

[Asker]

You vs your cousin is invalid as it could be due to a lot more than dairy consumption like risk factors, other components of diet, etc.

[Opinion Owner]

This is boring the shit out of my asshole, I'd rather stay ignorant. KthanksBi

[Asker]

Next time you say something I suggest you be educated on it. Bye :)

[Opinion Owner]

Yeah fuck off.