The fall of marriage and relationships: It's relation to Feminism (Page 2)

[ccp16]

I'd say I hope you are a troll, but I know you aren't as this was a lot of work...

I have and will continue to date fiercely strong and independent women. I have had very strong relationships and foresee no issues in marriage someday with an equal partner I respect and value.

Now I agree, modern feminism can take things a bit far and we nee dot focus on eradicating BOTH sides of the negative values form gender roles (yes men are hurt by gender roles as well and I advocate for us as well). But in the end, the onlything that can be blamed for many men's relationship problems are their refusal to grow up and get with the modern times.

[myTake Owner]

You are wrong, you cannot NOT blame men for not "growing up".
53% of all marriages fail. If the woman fails the contract then she will get all your money and resources, if you failed then she gets all the money and resources, if both didn't fail but just want to end the contract then she will end up with the resources. In 1975 a new child support law was created even though alimony was for the woman and for the child has been around for a very long time to support the children. This is when feminism took off, they support women leaving their husbands for whatever reason, they support the prejudice laws all in the name of them being "oppressed".
You think this was happening before divorce? You think the wife would of been able to take all the financial resources if she cheated back in the day?

By todays LAWS women can do no wrong.

so what the hell does "growing up" have anything to do with that?
How about you grow up and look at the stats.

[ccp16]

I already stated that mens rights need to be protected on equal levels, I support everything you jsut said, now that woman are becoming more independent, we don't need to give them an easier time in court, it will take time to change, but it needs to be a more fair system.

I am saying men need to grow up in that many are blind to the privileges we hold... just the other day I was talking with a flatmate and she got a taxi home form a place not even 15 min walk away from our building, which I laughed at. But being a big guy, I never once thought about my safety in that area, where as for a woman it can be a very frightening and dangerous even.

I just mean I would never date or marry a woman who holds on to old social norms, i want her to be equal with me, have drive a good career (where is paid even). I think blaming feminism for divorce rates is out right dumb. people have always wanted divorces, society started accepting them more so more people feel okay doing it.

[ccp16]

I have had very successful relationship with strong feminist women, I never once felt like they were tying put me down or be better than me, they just want the same thing out of life is all, and you can't fault them for that.

[myTake Owner]

Then you are lying.
Stop neck-bearding, if you date a feminist then the simple fact is that you cannot get a women so the only women you can get is one that hates men.
And if it is so successful how come you "had" it and not still in it?

[ccp16]

See, you are too blind for your hate to feminism, let me repeat, MODERN FEMINISM IS AWFUL! But

and because I am 23... I don't want to settle down all the way yet, not even close! I have lived with two exes though. I guess I just come form a very loving family, all my aunts and uncles are also still very happily married, so maybe I am optimistic or lucky, but I think it is worth what ever risks you are so afraid of (financial, which is very unimportant to me)

claiming all feminists hate men is childish though, many can be seething at the mouth idiots, sure, but there are still far more level headed women out there

[myTake Owner]

it is feminists who have "male tears" mugs
it is feminists who started "#killallmen", "#throwrocksatboys" "#castrateallmen"

and if you don't believe feminism is a hate movement here are women laughing at men because his penis was cut off and thrown into the garbage bin: www.youtube.com/watch

[ccp16]

dude, I don't know what kind of women you hang around, but I have not once in my life met a girl who says or does any of those things... you clearly have some poor company, lots of divorce and lots of 5% of feminazis who give the rest of us a bad name.

As for the video, that is sick and wrong, but come on, do you really think that is representative of the movement? Its celebrities... The wife of Ozzy Osborne for goodness sake!

In the end, you are going to go away form women and use them for sex through life and not have a relationship, and that is fine, no one is forcing you to, but for me, I know I will have no problem finding a solid wife and settling down and make it work. Money is the least of my worries, I'm a teacher, I won't be making sh$@ to give out hahahaha

[myTake Owner]

hahah 5%?
are you shittting me? Dude feminists even believe that the 77 cents to a dollar myth was REAL! even though it was proven to be wrong by feminists and economists.
The is the most recent of shannigans of feminism "air condition is sexist" this shit is on the "professional major" NEWS. and you tell me it's only 5%? www.youtube.com/watch

Whether extremists or not feminism has no reason to exist anymore, there isn't a single law that discriminates against them actually there are laws the benefit them, some of them being in divorce court which is not "equal" or "fair" anymore.
tell me what reason do you have to be a "male feminist"?

[ccp16]

No the 75cents thing si a myth you are right, but the problem goes deeper to adolescence I think, where men and women are pushed for different paths in life. air condition is in fact sexist but in a funny way I don't think anyone I have ever met takes seriously... it is commonly known that women feel a breeze more, so in my school, when a female teacher requests a temperature change, often they just shut her fan off or on, but that actually solves the problem, I agree nothing to be upset with.

Clearly you are looking for these extremists though... i have many great friends, two going on for a decade who are for sure feminists but have never once said or thought anything like what you are pulling here... Maybe I got lucky and only know really down to earth feminists who have very real problems I can sympathize with.

What I get out of it is respecting all people equally, I don't need materiel advantages or threats about divorce and money or what ever it is you are so worried

[myTake Owner]

I would say that this is extremism except for the fact that news media reported on this and agreed. and it was shared by other feminists.www.telegraph.co.uk/.../...sexist.-True-story.html
seriously that wasn't extreme.

I get it, you truly do care about these females and really think you are doing the right thing.
i am sorry for attacking you, but you have to wake up and see that these females are not right in the head...

[ccp16]

I see, a different story than I thought and it is a silly one, though can't you believe that that really is the worst? I could see being upset by that as a woman, but at the same time, practically speaking, we can only take so many clothes off professionally you can always put more on... a 2 degree difference? How can you really get any more int he middle...

Well listening to large media outlets is your mistake, they just want click bait and things that will upset people so they get more traffic on their sites for revenue... modern journalism is truly dying. The telegraph is certainly not the best place to go to in my opinion... but it is just so hard to find true good stories anymore...

anyway, happy we could walk away form this peacefully, too often on here you butt heads with someone and it ends with either an angry rant and block or someone just stop responding

[ccp16]

And I do care, I know so many who are just so.. normal and not like this and we all deserve an equal playing field and I want to fight for that. We are a t a very strange time in history right now, right in between centuries of old fashioned gender roles and change, so policies and attitudes are all over the place and will take time to level out.

but just because I sometimes identify as a feminist (though I do wish there was a more equal word out there, but equality sounds dumb.) I don't forget that their are many negative effects form these gender roles for men, such as not being able to be as emotionally open or be stay at home fathers, etc. One thing I always advocate for is male rape victims. Being one myself, I know what it is like to have the law against my gender, Who is going to arrest a woman for raping a man after all?

[myTake Owner]

you say "centuries old gender types" like it's a bad thing.
I mean lions have been eating zebra and gazelles for centuries why should we stop that?
It's natural for men to be the providers and females to be the managers and care takers.

we are different by nature, not just physically but also our brains are wired differently.
And at that time it was males who would go out and work in dangerous jobs that risks their life. While the "oppressed" females would stay at home and take care of the kids. If anything we were the oppressed.

[ccp16]

True, but I think our society has developed in ways where we stopped evolving in many ways (not all) long ago and our lives and society have changed a bit more than a lion's has... and now that most of the West is not industrial based, I think there is no longer any real reason to keep old gender roles, so I guess to me it is a negative, but I am also very liberal. There will always be things one does more and better than the other, but I don't think that means we should be pushing one gender one direction and the other someplace different. We should all have the same options and starting platform to become what we want, not woman as baby sitters and guys as scientists, sure we may have a predisposition for these things (guys are better at mental 3D imagining in general) but I think nurture has far more of an impact on us than nature.

but again, I am assuming you will vary on this as a conservative (I am assuming?) and heavy handed evolutionist- which is fine!

[myTake Owner]

You are correct i don't think we should be pushing anyone towards anywhere.
BUT it is feminists who are pushing the narrative "masculinity is toxic" and attempting to make boys follow female behavior pattern.
It is feminists who put down women who choose to be stay at home mothers.
Actually i am just a conservative in matters of economic policy i love Milton Friedman, Hayek, and Sowell.
Here i promise you will be glued to this economist and you will be amazed by the debates that people used to have, he even had help from his wife who he met in his economics class. www.youtube.com/watch

[evenlift]

So, you don't date feminists then? There's nothing independent about wanting the regulatory-welfare state, which almost all feminists support.

[Anonymous]

You are giving feminism too much credit here, the fall of marriage and relationships is not relation to feminism but the fall of religion causing the fall of moral.

No God, means no responsibility/accountability, hence no need for marriage, trust etc., we can do whatever we want and we only live once.

Feminism is a pest for sure, and a anti humanitarian philosophy, however don't blame them for everything. Even feminism is innocent at times.

[ccp16]

I just had a very interesting conversation how those who are religious and usually economically conservative, which means every man for themselves and standing up for yourself. Correct me if I am wrong, but don't most religious preach caring for your neighbor and not taking such pride in the material world? Why is that socialists tend to be atheist, yet the entire concept is based off of the common good and providing for those who need help?

Why is that as an atheist, I feel more compassionate and self sacrificial than many of those of faith?

[myTake Owner]

It's because you do not understand the power of individualism.
absolute power corrupts, and giving government power takes away from the individual to take upon himself to make change.
Do not mistake allowing someone else to take care of your affairs as any better then doing it yourself.

[bryon]

In a society where we 9both men as well as women) all shouldn't be in such an all fired hurry to form attachments to a potential mate. what is the all fired hurry to commit for life to a person that you ( REALLY ) don't know that you can or would want to spend the rest of your life with? Feminist DO contribute to the down fall of marriage whether it be traditional marriage or a more modern marriage. In all reality , it the culmination of both individuals that either make or break a marriage , you either nourish the union or you starve it. period..

[pnl86]

Umm, not sure if this is really a guy writing this "question," or if it's just a feminist posing as a guy trying to build a stawman to point to online and say, "You see, look at how stupid guys are?"

The whole structure of that read was:

1. Let me hook you with what promises to be an interesting read
2. Let me try to somehow connect marriage and feminism
3. Listen to my rant on feminism
4. Conclusion, feminism sucks and I don't want to get married

Wow. . . that is all. . . just wow

[myTake Owner]

Marriage and feminism does connect.
It was feminism that convinced women that getting divorce is okay even if you are just "bored".
Many feminists believe that the destruction of the "nuclear family" is the right thing and promote promiscuity which obviously is not a thing to participate in if you want a serious marriage that lasts.
Feminism puts down stay at home mothers while promoting the "working women" who would rather work and hire a nanny rather then stay at home with the child.
what about the fathers day commercial where feminists made it about mothers: www.youtube.com/watch

53% of all marriages end in divorce, If the women cheats then she can still have your money and alimony. Did you know some states, if you find out that the child isn't yours and want divorce you will still have to pay the woman money, and basically lose everything and also pay for the children that are not yours.
Why on earth would i take such a deal? why on earth would you take such a deal?
it was femisism

[myTake Owner]

Umm, not sure if this is really a guy writing this "question," or if it's just a feminist posing as a guy trying to build a stawman to point to online and say, "You see, look at how stupid guys are?

What a silly comment.

[pnl86]

Look, you have a lot of misdirected anger and hate, which is causing you to "conflate" everything you're angry at into one huge Hodge pot. Marriage is bad for its own reasons, "independent" of Feminism. "Feminism" is bad for its own reasons, "independent" of marriage.

To even try to connect the two and attribute the negatives of one onto the other is more of the natural conclusion of your emotional rage than of any sort of well-thought out rational analysis.

[myTake Owner]

there is no emotional rage.
I didn't connect these myself or try to put them together.
It IS together, it was feminists who support alimony and child support even though if the female cheats, but if the male cheats then thats even worse, but if it was the female then it's because of abuse or some other victim problem.
I am looking at the facts, and that is that the laws are immensely against men in divorce court, to a point where women can almost do no wrong. I mean i could link you to recent horror stories like :https://home.earthlink.net/~ynot/divorce.html and

Again i have to make it clear there is no emotions in this i am just being logical
imagine if you were in a phone contract for life and if the phone co.. "fail" then you had to pay them fees and all this money and if you fail then you still have to pay them fees and all this money on top of that you find out that that 53% of all contracts fail...
why do you think i am being emotional in this argument?

[pnl86]

Okay, without taking this the wrong way or getting defensive... as someone who has actually had to take both Family Law, and then Family Law Practice... in law school... I just want to point out one simple fact... (drumroll) ... the law of "alimony" (now called spousal "maintenance") existed "way before" Feminism. In fact, the law of extra-marital "child support" (i. e., the legal obligation to support a child regardless whether the parents are married) first arose in the early 1600s through the Elizabethian Poor Laws in England. Both of the topics you're attributing "Feminism" to "pre-dated" Feminism.

[pnl86]

"Feminism" isn't what destroys relationships between two people who are married. The marriage "contract" is what destroys relationships between two people. As an example, consider "at-will" employment versus "contractual" employment. If I have an employment "contract," my position with the employer is reasonably "secure." That means, for as long as I don't violate the terms of the contract, I have "the legal right" to remain employed (or if earlier terminated, entitled to "damages" for "early" or "wrongful" termination; breach of contract damages). So, my "incentive" to make my employer happy or care about what makes him unhappy, or "modify" by behavior as circumstances change is "extremely limited." Compare and contrast with the "at-will" relationship, where my employment may be "terminated at any time and with no reason." Yikes! How happy my employer is with me is really the only thing holding that relationship together, so I have all the incentive in the world to keep him happy.

[myTake Owner]

this for a fact i know.
the difference then and now is that if the women cheated then she would not have gotten anything because she broke the contract, but if it was just because things didn't work out then it would be awarded to her. It was also because at that time it would of been hard for a woman to get a job if she was only a housewife all her life and the alimony would of been for her and the children, but then child support came into action in 1975 which doesn't make sesnse since there was already alimony.

America also has a billion dollar divorce industry obviously from the messed up laws.www.youtube.com/watch

so again i ask: imagine if you were in a phone contract for life and if the phone co. "fail" then you had to pay them fees and all this money, and if you fail then you still have to pay them fees and all this money. on top of that you find out that that 53% of all contracts fail...
why do you keep protecting marriage when it's obvious it's completely illogical to do so.

[pnl86]

Because not only can I be terminated if I start "slacking" and objectively (in the "overall" sense) don't "perform" as an employee, I can also just simply be "replaced"! That's right, if someone with more energy, more qualifications, who is willing and able to work harder and longer hours than me comes alone, and they're simply better than me, I'm out of a job!

With "at will" employment, I "constantly" have incentive to "keep bettering myself," keep looking for ways to make my employer "prefer" me being employed as opposed to: (a) replacing me with someone else, or (b) terminating the relationship.

It's the dynamic of "contract law" that "destroys the economic incentive" people have to continue caring and making an effort towards their partners' happiness and satisfaction in the relationship. Once you take that away, the relationship obviously suffers. It's behavioral economics 101. The "evidence" of that theory is in the divorce rate.

[myTake Owner]

You are correct about employment and contracts but there are still more reasons to use contracts that could also benefit the company itself.
But my argument isn't that feminism destroys marriage, it's that people do so. BUT feminism encourages women to divorce, and gives them victimhood status in courts and men lose everything.
I cannot blame an ideology for the failing of marriage it's multiple factors BUT feminism has a huge role in relationships and marriage in america.

[pnl86]

I see and understand what you're saying. I can tell you that it's not exactly "Feminism" that influences courts in the slightest bit. "The law" is just a set of rules the legislature either drafts, or that judges has shared their "opinion" about through cases (i. e., the "common law"). That "history" of judicial opinions establishes something called "precedent." The whole reason lawyers can give advice and people know how to behave is because the law does not "constantly" change "overnight." The law slowly develops over hundreds of years. "Family law" is a "huge" problem area of the law, because the "rationale" from all the "precedent" was once true in the 1600s, but is no longer true today. That doesn't mean that judges receive bribes or secret instructions from "Feminists" in the mail urging the family court judges one way or another on all alimony or child support cases. No, it's simply a case of the law failing to catch up with the times fast enough.

[pnl86]

Take "parenthood" as an example. "Parenthood" is a legal status. "Nature" has no such thing as "parenthood." Nature has something called "biological affinity" (e. g., the "genetic" parent). But, we know that "genetic" parenthood is not the same as "legal" parenthood. People may "adopt" children, or a child may be fathered by one man, but because of the "marital presumption," the "legal" father may be the "husband" of the wife that gave birth to the child. Additionally, "parenthood" may be "destroyed." A mother may either "terminate" her pregnancy (e. g., abortion, morning-after pill), or leave a child at a "safe haven," no questions asked. A "frozen pre-zygote" may either be implanted in a surrogate, or destroyed. So, "biology" has less to do with the "creation" or "destruction" of "parenthood" (i. e., the legal rights and duties with respect to a child) as much as "personal choice" does.

[pnl86]

This was not the case in the 1600s. In the 1600s, if a woman became pregnant, pregnancy equaled children. In other words, "to become pregnant" meant and was tantamount to "becoming a parent." Therefore, the Elizabethian Poor Laws made "equitable" sense. If men "caused" a woman to become pregnant, they it was only "fair" that they should be legally responsible for the resulting child (because the presupposition was, that there would be a resulting child, and that the woman had no other choice). Yet, prior to the Elizabethian Poor Laws, "contract law" took care of things like "parenthood" and "child support." The "marriage contract" carried the implicit term of creating "third party beneficiary" rights to any child born "of the marriage" (again, not necessarily the "genetic" child of the father). By agreeing to the contract, the husband was "consenting" to have parental rights and duties "created" should the wife become pregnant (even to another man's child).

[pnl86]

You can see the problem in 2015, with following laws that were created with a supporting rationale that was once relevant in 1583, but no longer applicable in 2015. Suppose a man and a woman take their eggs and sperm to a lab, and "create" a "frozen pre-zygote" (i. e., conceive a child). Now, suppose that "custody and possession" of that pre-zygote belongs exclusively with the woman. The man wants to be a father, but the woman say, "You know what, I feel like going back to school, and I'm not ready to be a mom yet." Can the man "force" the woman to be a mother? No. Now, flip it. The woman wants to be a mother, but the man says, "Hey, I'm just starting my career, and I'm not financially stable yet, I want to wait before I'm a parent." Can the woman "force" the man to be a father? Yes. So much for, "if the right to liberty is to mean anything, it is the right of a person to be able to choose whether to bare or beget a child." I guess "liberty" only applies to women, or men aren't people.

[myTake Owner]

But that's the thing though the law changed fast enough for the feminists when they talked about it in 1975, that's when feminism really took off and that's when they set out to change the laws.
Thousands and thousands of fathers being depleted completely later and it's still not changed.
These laws of alimony was set out because they simply couldn't afford a place of their own or take care of the children, that even applied up till the 30's. Females then starting to get overwhelmingly in the workforce during the war, taking on more "manly" jobs. Now Alimony is just a way to suck mens fortune out, while women having no trouble getting a job and even to the fact that more women are in college then men.
It is Feminism that not only allows but still supports these laws, again i can't blame feminism on this 100% since it's a billion dollar industry and people are winning heavily by it. So there is a lot of incentive to keep it that rhetoric going for them when it comes to marriage.

[myTake Owner]

truthfully i think feminism is used by these people to keep themselves in business.

[pnl86]

That's not why "alimony" arose, nor why it continues to exist today as "spousal maintenance." When two people are married, they have a duty of "spousal support." Granted, they do not have a duty "to work." So, even though they each have a duty to "support" the other, it can quickly turn into a game of "chicken." (i. e., I'm going to stay home and take care of the kids, while you can go out to work and "support" me). Nevertheless, the "theory" of alimony is that once the marriage has "terminated," (abruptly), the "dependent" spouse now finds herself in a situation where the "right to receive spousal support" has suddenly terminated overnight. In order to maintain "the status quo," the courts allow the "duty of spousal support" to continue in a limited sense "after" the marriage contract has been dissolved... something once called "alimony," now called spousal "maintenance." (i. e., to "maintain" your spouse's "standard of living" that she has become accustomed to during the marriage).

[pnl86]

What keeps "family court judges and lawyers" ... "in business" is not "feminism." "Children" keep these people in business. When there are no children in a marriage, then it's just a simple dissolution of a partnership. When "children" are in the picture, a court will "withhold" a final divorce decree until "all issues" are finally resolved and determined. Because issues of "custody and visitation" are (not directly financial), but important and emotional, spouses usually use issues related to "children" as bargaining chips in order to gain leverage and negotiate other terms like "maintenance" or "equitable distribution of the assets." It's not "feminism" that ties up or complicates divorce proceedings - it's "children."

[Anonymous]

I'm a man, and I'm a feminist, and I have a fine -ass woman, also a feminist, who begs me to tie her up and fuck her in the ass. U mad?

Most of the shit you're talking about that negatively affects males exist because of the patriarchy. The patriarchy teaches boys to shun jobs they enjoy for dangerous ones that pay well. The patriarchy only makes boys sign for draft because women are weak. The patriarchy punishes men more strongly than women because men are violent and aggressive while women are passive and peaceful. The patriarchy tells suicidal men to man the fuck up instead of offering help.

The shit you're complaining about is shit that was being perpetuated long before feminism bro. Don't blame women for that shit. The patriarchy fucks men just as bad as it's fucked women.

[evenlift]

If this is true, then where is the feminist opposition to all of this? Feminists claim to oppose the patriarchy.

You are right, however, to imply that there is continuity. Feminism is just a slightly-modified continuation of traditionalism. But, if traditionalism is bad (and you think it is, and I agree), what does that say about feminism?

Furthermore, I wonder how many upvotes you would have received from women, if your first paragraph were "I'm a man, and I'm an anti-feminist, and I have a fine -ass woman, also an anti-feminist, who begs me to tie her up and fuck her in the ass. U mad?". It seems that the feminist outrage against the sexual 'objectification' of women is rather selective.

[myTake Owner]

THE PAY-TREE-ARE-KEY!
And what the hell dude, why didn't you attend last months patriarchy meeting? We had cookies and discussed about ways how we can oppress women.

[VampireEmpress]

so you're a feminist because you knew girls would find it hot? and I agree with you about patriarchy hurting men too. you're the only guy who's mentioned that.

[Minxxie]

yeah the patriarchy buts such a huge burden on men and boys to carry the cross of "ultra masculinity" at all times or else. and how dare human males have NORMAL HUMAN EMOTIONS!! It's so sick. My boyfriend is a feminist too, he actually asked me before we started dating straight up "do you believe in feminism? because I do and I don't want to have clashing views.." I think it's good to sort out that kind of thing before a relationship too. But I'm sick of men repeatedly fucking each other over, and shunning each other the minute one of them lets down the "ultra masculinity" expectation for half a fucking second and then they blame women for it!

[myTake Owner]

nice story minx
you should add that to your diary. Does your imaginary boyfriend also love it when you accuse him of enjoying women being raped and hurt because he disagrees with you like on your opinion?
Calm your mental ass down.

[myTake Owner]

"my boyfriend got scouted to be a model" story was a pretty good one. Let's start with that one story.
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q1525381-my-boyfriend-got-scouted-to-be-a-model-i-feel-weird-about-it

[MisterWhiskey]

shit dude someone's fucking jealous! stop stalking that girl freak.

[VampireEmpress]

I think most divorces happen because of debt/money issues.

and "Feminism takes the responsibility and accountability from the women and gives it to the man." I agree with that. people should handle their own issues.

if that makes the world competitive, then I like that. I've been reading lately about married couples living apart, and I think it's a really interesting way to have a relationship. so I like how things are more flexible now.

[hellionthesage]

80% of divorces are filed by women the most sited reason being irreconcilable diffrences ie no fault. Married couples living apart? Why is that interesting way to have relationship?

[VampireEmpress]

@hellionthesage that doesn't mean that was the real reason. there have been other studies that say what I did, and lots of stories too... and , it sounds a lot better to say that, instead of admitting there were money issues don't you think?

and that's interesting to me, because lots of couples who do it say they still really like each other. but when people are separated, they don't want anything to do with each other. I

[VampireEmpress]

like how it's not what you would expect.

[hellionthesage]

The most sited word in divorce papers is "facebook". No fault divorce, I have never seen issues that say money is the problem since there are many tax breaks for married couples and being in a a single house with two working people is much more cost effective then two homes with one bread winner each.

[VampireEmpress]

@hellionthesage oh, there can be plenty of reasons why people divorce for money! like one partner might get into debt, and then starts putting bills in the other partner's name so they don't have to pay it... except the other partner didn't know how bad the debt was until too late. and that's just one example. divorce might be messy, but at least the finances are finally separate.

[VampireEmpress]

@Take Owner it just hit me that you replied to almost all the other girls' posts except for mine LOL

[myTake Owner]

I'm sorry I'll give you more attention, the man in me likes to answer to the more combative females. I'm pretty sure it's a form of autism.
But Debt and money issues isn't what a man thinks about when going into marriage. One thinks about laws, stats, partner trust etc. But Debt and money isn't that big a thought, when thinking about partnering for life with someone you love.

[VampireEmpress]

@Take Owner I don't believe that. money is a huge issue for people. but... no one really wants to admit to it. think about it: grown adult people who've been paying bills and living paycheck to paycheck for a long time, finally have the opportunity to do something different. if they were like 18-20 I might agree with you. but the older people have been supporting themselves for a long time... money is a huge factor. and I don't believe people that age would marry for emotional reasons.

[myTake Owner]

I'm sure that's true for them.
But they are not what is important. Their time has passed.
It's the people that have babies and continue the population of whatever country.
Europeans and Americans do not have babies, No one in america is encouraging it.
Younger people i would hope DO worry about money, but i'm damn sure they don't worry about their partner doing something scummy like that to them.
What you are speaking of are small points.

[VampireEmpress]

it's a pretty huge point, since it can make or break a marriage, and effect people for years on end.

[myTake Owner]

I'm not sure why your so stuck up on the partner using divorce for some sort of finical escape thing.
You are more likely to be cheated on, or as a man to be raising children that you don't know is your own. Then to be financially scammed and your partner to commit fraud.
I as a man, knowing a plethora of other men know that being scammed isn't a worry to me. Cause it's a small statistical amount of women, very small.
What a man looks at is the divorce laws, the divorce stats. Not because he is planning on or thinking on divorce but because he is logical and wants to think things out before just acting and making a life decision like a life contract.

[VampireEmpress]

especially since the economy has been so terrible over the years. i think money and debt would be a gigantic factor for people now, way more than they were in the past.

[myTake Owner]

you don't know is not your own****

[VampireEmpress]

what does that mean?

[VampireEmpress]

yours isn't the only mytake I've seen that hasn't mentioned money and divorces. or marriages... I haven't read a marriage/traditional family mytake on here that does mention money. everyone really avoids that point.

[VampireEmpress]

and... a lot of long term marriages didn't stay together because of the kids/love but because of money too. the opposite can happen. like if the husband and wife have a mortgage, then if they divorce neither one can make the payments, so it's either lose or sell the house. so even if they hate each other, they'll stay married because they don't want to lose all their money, or have to pay off leftover debt. I really don't think older people are emotional about these things.

[ThisDudeHere]

God, the hate you received from certain women was predictable yet sad at the same time. But good take. I like how you didn't cloud your judgement with emotions like other male naysayers (for lack of a better word) do.

[myTake Owner]

i know i find it hilarious.
It's not up to the females whether they agree or not, this is up to the males.
i simply pointed out that logistically speaking marriage is a very bad idea.

[Sara413]

Dude... the whole take was an emotional, angry rant lol

But I guess I forgot, it's only "emotional" when it's coming from a woman... lol

[ThisDudeHere]

There was no emotion in ot. Just because a fact is hard to swallow doesn't mean you can brush it off as emotional.

[myTake Owner]

Where was the emotion sara?

[Dandeus]

Another sad, miserable fuck...

The problems you list for men are problems that either predate feminism, or exist separately from it as a result of men imposing certain behavior on each other.

And, like all MRAs, you don't talk about men's issues in any other context except to blame feminists for not fixing them for you. Not a very masculine approach to solving your problems, is it?

In fact, I'd wager that if you weren't anonymous, I might be able to comb through your posting history to find statements from you expressing antipathy towards those men who dropped out of college, who got locked up, who killed themselves. Would-be alphas like yourself have nothing but disdain for other men, especially if they're not like you.

I'm sure the women of the world are about as upset that you're taking yourself "off the market" as drivers are when defective cars get recalled.

[myTake Owner]

Oh look another sad feminist white knighting.
It's so sad watching you fools protect feminists.
I bet you really believe that feminism is about equality of both sexes.
"would be alpha" I'm assuming you got some girl stolen from you and found that men to be more of a man then you, then found the feminist movement that believes that "masculinity is toxic" go be a tumblerite somewhere else, fucking social justice warrior.

and oh no how dare i ever want rights for men.

[myTake Owner]

And good god you are a sad excuse of a man, i mean not only do you know that feminism started this bullshit with the females being able to take every penny you own if they cheat, but also if you raise children that aren't yours then not only will you have to support the children that are not yours, you will have to pay for the women too.
prenups are thrown out because they could say that "she was stressed".
These are logical points that a MAN looks at and thinks to himself "hmm 53% of marriages fail, and no matter what happens the divorce courts on are the womens side" and the people that protect these cheating women are feminists.
and why are you so emotional about this?
go Mcintosh somewhere else. and cry to your feminists on how "misogynistic" i was pathetic little beta.

[myTake Owner]

"I'd wager that if you weren't anonymous, I might be able to comb through your posting history to find statements from you expressing antipathy towards those men who dropped out of college, who got locked up, who killed themselves. Would-be alphas like yourself have nothing but disdain for other men, especially if they're not like you."

that's a big assumption let me make on of you.

I bet you are a fat neck-beard male feminist that probably hates all white males for being so "privileged".
Trust me dude, your not going to get laid just because you call yourself a feminists, and if you do get laid more then likely they will accuse you of rape.

[myTake Owner]

one on you*

[Dandeus]

Funny how when you guys get pressed, you always seem to fall back to worrying about your money, and all the faux worry about suicide rates and and college admissions flies out the window. I find it amusing at least.

It's interesting to note that alimony laws as we know them date to the 19th century before women even had the right to vote, and certainly long before women held elected office. Now, who do you suppose passed these horrible laws? That's right! It was men. And before no-fault divorce (which coincided with the second wave of feminism), alimony was granted for life. You sure you really want to go back to those days? Be my guest.

Your hatred of non-traditional men is readily apparent. So much for your supposed concern for men's rights.

[Dandeus]

Also, real alphas are busy winning at life. They have better things to do than sit at home on a Friday night ranting anonymously on the internet about women running off with their money. Your obsession and anger with being cheated on is pretty telling, yet somehow I'm the one that must have had my money run off with (hint: it never happened). I can only assume you're deflecting your own experiences to me.

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littlegreenfootballs.com/.../mensrights.jpg

[myTake Owner]

you're the little bitch who called me a "miserable fuck if you wanted a debate then i would of loved one and it wouldn't of been as "aggressive" as this. and to me i don't see anything non-traditional then any other man in histroy, combatative and ignorant.

I have not been cheated on and i have not have had some "bad" experience when it comes to girlfriends. But when i did have a girlfriend i looked into marriage and other things, eventually i came into knowledge of these laws.
Why would i worry about my money and women if i am willing to provide for the woman and take care of her?
i am willing for a woman to have total access to the money i make if i would trust her.

if you would of read my take i said that logistically speaking without emotions, marriage is a risky prospect. You never know how a person turns out after living with them for more than a few years.

[myTake Owner]

And I blame feminism because they are the only people protecting cheating women when it comes to divorce. They support this prejudice in divorce courts on the bullshit basis that women are oppressed.

Oh by the way, this is feminism today, "air conditioning is sexist" www.youtube.com/watch

www.telegraph.co.uk/.../...sexist.-True-story.html

www.inc.com/.../...r-cold-office-temperatures.html

feminism is first world children complaining about first world problems

[checkyesjulietx]

This guy gets it ^^

[Minxxie]

I love the little burn at the end there it's so true! he's up there "warning me" that I will never find a man even though if he'd taken a peek at my profile he'd see I already have found a great relationship with a non-psycho. I really do appreciate when these MGTOW babies "take themselves off the market" it makes so much fewer little man-child shitbags for single straight women to have to sort through!

[myTake Owner]

OH who said anyone was a MGTOW here?
You are the one who was accusing me of enjoying women being raped and hurt just because i a dare to disagree with you. I asked you quote where i said that and you cannot, so you go to other comments to talk shit about me?
You can't answer a single one of my debates and all you do is start calling me names.
Fucking feminists. everyone hates you.

[Anonymous]

Do you not like women? Relationships? Feminism? Or any of them?

[myTake Owner]

I love women, just not relationship or marriage or feminism.
And feminism and marriage is a deadly combination for the male, unless he is a masochist.

[Opinion Owner]

Okay, I sort of understand where you're coming from. However, you shouldn't let your past experiences or other peoples experiences hold you back from finding that 'special one'. Things can go wrong, of course they can, people can get hurt, people can lie - but that happens throughout everyone's life. You just need to find someone right for you. Just think how many people in the world are happily married, living some great memories. Of course there's more to life than marriage, but don't let all these things you hear make you think that its such a bad thing.
The idea of feminism is a great thing. It's changed the roles of women so much and for the better. In most countries man and women are pretty much equals. However, I will admit that sometimes even women have the upper hand. In addition a few of the followers of feminism have turned it into a hateful organisation towards men and women who don't believe in it. We need to see people as individuals and accept that jobs need doing.

[Opinion Owner]

I'd happily work for the day or I'd happily clean the house for a day if it needs doing. I can do the 'typical' jobs without thinking men have it better or that I'm not equal to them.

[myTake Owner]

I would totally agree with you except the fact that it is WAY to much of a gamble. Imagine if you had to gamble a life long contract that fails 53% of the time and if you do something wrong to break this contract you lose all your money, and if she cheats then you lose all your money.
Marriage is a beautiful thing, but i am not sweeped by poetic rhetoric and emotions, i look at the facts and i see that half of marriages fail and women have the upperhand.
I understand that you believe i am making an emotion choice but i assure you if i was i would really want to get married because it sounds amazing, i would love to provide for and protect my wife. But not with such bad laws and bad numbers.

and as far as feminism goes it's time for them to disband, they have nothing left except saying stuff like "air conditioning is sexist towards women" www.youtube.com/watch

[myTake Owner]

and wow you are a gem.

[Opinion Owner]

Yeah, I understand how you feel. I guess a lot of people don't get married - either because it's too expensive or they just don't feel like marriage means much to them. You could always stay in a relationship with someone but not get married. In that way you get the best of both worlds, enjoy the memories and the company but you're also not tied down if things start to go wrong.
Oh those kind of feminist arguments are pathetic. They make the whole thing look like a joke. Haha, I just understand both sides really.

[myTake Owner]

You are totally correct.
But the sad fact is (i guess good for you) is that you are a rare female. not many can go against the crowd like you.
and for a fact men will chase you and fight for you.
And honestly i wouldn't expect meeting someone like you in real life.
Most of the females i know are feminists, the other don't call themselves that but they believe in their ideology. (whatever they decide that feminists ideology is)

[Opinion Owner]

Well thank you for that :)
I guess you just got to put yourself out there, you'll discover that more and more women don't agree with what feminism has become. But don't get me wrong, the original idea - of equality between men and women (in fact equality between everyone) is something I do believe in but I do accept its never going to be perfect and everyone suffers from it.
But as I said, I'm happy to do whatever job needs doing if it benefits people in some way :)

[myTake Owner]

But i do go out, and this is how i came to the conclusion of relationships and marriage being risky (besides the marriage laws and stats)
It's just hordes of them do, why go through all that if i can just get hookers and video games?
seriously there are millions of men choosing this route: www.breitbart.com/.../ (even though i disagree with some of his views he does make an accurate report of men just checking out of relationships and marriage. not wanting to participate)
I feel bad for females who actually do want marriage cause i'm afraid that a lot of them will not get what they wished for.

[Opinion Owner]

Hmm that was an interesting link and is something I'll have to look into further. But women have more confidence and support now, they're less vulnerable and it's more acceptable for them to make their own choices. Some women have taken this in a good way and have made something of their lives and career, but others have used the support as a way to make themselves richer through their ex-husbands. We need to stop focusing on just men or just woman, and need the start focusing on everyone, individuals. Then we wouldn't have this education problem etc. Also the point about boys not wanting to approach a girl, that's to do with an individual girl's attitude and personality, one girl would've called him a creep and the other would've taken it as a compliment. See where I'm coming from?

[myTake Owner]

i have to disagree, you cannot just ignore the problem and say that all individuals have to get attention, it's really just men that are suffering from systematic oppression.
93% of prison population are males,
93% of work place deaths are males
males commit four times as much suicide.
males get longer sentences for the same crime.
and males are more likely to get raped then women when including prison assaults

These problems have been completely ignored for the past 40 years. this need attention, because this cannot go well and it will have dire consequences in the future if not addressed. You have to admit those are dire problems...

[Opinion Owner]

It's not at all ignoring the problem but instead addressing the fact that women and men suffer from these problems but some men and women don't.
There's no denying that feminism has changed things and given women a much fairer life chance compared to men. It's not perfect but it's a start.
To be honest it's almost pathetic if men are feeling such a systematic oppression just because women now have more chances in life..
Yes. Men do commit more crime, and maybe there are more work deaths of males. But how's that connected to feminism? We've done our bit, we've supported the women out there to get to the men's level.
I guess you're feeling like women have been given more attention and men have been ignored. That's because the majority of men dominated women, but we've changed things over time. What men need to do is make their voices heard and get things changed without blaming it on feminism.
Men get longer sentences for the same crime? Men get more pay for the same job.

[Opinion Owner]

Males are more likely to get raped than women when including prison assaults? Women are more likely to get raped on the streets. You see where I'm coming from? I'm not saying women have it worse - what I'm saying is we all have our problems.

[myTake Owner]

So your justification of men having longer sentences and going into prison where they would experience such cruelty is because of the false statement of women making less money for the same job? you do know that is illegal to do correct? and any economist would laugh at that.
here is a feminist who disputes that:www.huffingtonpost.com/.../wage-gap_b_2073804.html

here is another one: www.slate.com/.../..._77_cents_to_every_man_s.html

i take back what i said about men going to want you. if you somehow think that a longer prison term where a man can die, or experience rape, or extreme violence to a misleading and basically lying stat then you will get an awakening that the men you want won't want you. and why would they want such a female?
that's pretty damn vile.

It's connected to feminism because you feminists keep saying feminism is about equality of the sexes but NEVER have they mentioned about males problems.

This is feminism "Air conditioners are sexist"ohh the womanly problems.

[myTake Owner]

And women have not been "dominated". How the hell do you think women have been dominated when it was the men that went out to go to work and risk their lives during a time where it was very common for workplace deaths to happen (males suffered 99% of all workplaces death in that time) and all the women had to do was stay home and take care of the kids, and go out shopping for food. oh the dominance and oppression.
you're not going to fool me.

[myTake Owner]

www.youtube.com/watch
here is your feminism today, it's about how air conditioning is sexist :)

[Opinion Owner]

You need to chill. You're on a forum where you ask for people's opinions so you're going to get them.
In no way was I saying that men being raped was okay because women get paid less in some jobs. I was simply pointing out the fact that there are problems that men face and there are problems that women face. You read that completely wrong.
I don't care if men want me or not, that's not a worry to me and it shouldn't be a concern to you. It's not vile because you read it wrong.
Okay that's fair enough that feminism doesn't point out the male problems. So why don't men point them out instead of complaining about feminism and making parody accounts on social media?
Maybe it was my fault for explaining myself in a bad way, but you have completely misunderstood me.

[Opinion Owner]

You've already shown me that video and I've explained to you how its pathetic. I believe in equality between men and women. That's all I care about, I don't care about air conditioning. I just want to see people treated fairly.

[myTake Owner]

I am perfectly fine and not mad, i just pointed out a fact that you said this:
"Men get longer sentences for the same crime? Men get more pay for the same job."
you know exactly what you said, don't try to go back on your words.
what kind of person are to say such horrible things?

anyways i gave you my sources and it is a proven fact by economists that the statistic was misleading.
even the feminists would say so.

Then you say women were "dominated" which i'm assuming that in feminist language just means oppressed, and that would mean they had to suffer from some sort of cruelty, but they stayed home with their children while men went out and risked their life. It was men who were drafted and forced to fight a war not women.
hell you women even live longer and less likely to get sick.
anyways i have no use talking to a woman who says such things as "Men get longer sentences for the same crime? Men get more pay for the same job."

you have a great day.

[myTake Owner]

"I just want to see people treated fairly."
is the same person that said:
"Men get longer sentences for the same crime? Men get more pay for the same job"

You're that feminist, you may laugh at the air conditioning feminist. but you tried justifying men suffering in cruel conditions where they die, get raped or experience violence. because of your false misleading stat which was disproven by feminists.
i have no idea why you said such things but you did.
soo good luck with that, and have a good day.

[Opinion Owner]

Hmm, I think you've started letting your past emotions in which has started to cloud your argument. I know exactly what I said, I'm sorry I didn't make those two points clearer that they were different and not completely related.
I'm not horrible and I'm not vile because that's what I didn't mean to say. You need to understand that.
Women were expected to fall silently into the society crafted by men, since they were regarded as irrational and sensitive. Women weren't allowed rights, you should know that at your age.
At least I have the decency to admit I made a mistake in how I've written my argument. The least you could do is accept it.

[myTake Owner]

I know exactly what you said to, i read it and you can just scroll up.
Simple fact is no one is going to want to marry a women who feels like justifying that. You did attempt it.

"To be honest it's almost pathetic if men are feeling such a systematic oppression just because women now have more chances in life.. " we are dying left and right, we are ignored and expected to feel that you are the oppressed one.
men were there for you when early feminism was taking off, and you just want to say "fuck you men" now that you have what you wanted?
You can go, and know that you will not have a man that you want if you tell them that you are a feminist.
Especially after trying to justify longer prison sentences with a false stat.
I'm also pretty sure you once owned a "male tears" mug
either way don't expect men to be lining up to you. absolutely no reason to.

[hellionthesage]

Can you truly like any one who tells you your violent/rapist/murderers/sexist/oppressors? That is the basis of feminism, that all men oppressed women, even though all evidence contradicts this. Are you a feminist and do you hate men? I am honestly asking that because to be a feminist you need to hate men because you believe they are the cause of all your problems, look at these comments. When mens issues are brought up, when things bother them and they are concerned what happens? There told to shut up, ironicly some on here when arguing about male suicide (80% of all suicide victims are male) they say its "toxic masculinity" that they don't try to seek help, yet look at the response to this take, how it is immediatley ridiculed and not just this one but every time an issue dealing with men is brought up. Just something to think about.

[Opinion Owner]

Correct, I did say that - but I didn't imply it. I meant them as two individual points. If I had put them into two separate bullet points you wouldn't have bat an eyelid. But I'm not going to explain myself to you, especially as you seem to have the inability to move on.
We have been oppressed, and feminism has quietened down a little because it's not as important as it was in the past - especially in more developed countries.
You're going by such a typical stereotype if you think feminists think "fuck you men". Because they don't. I have no problem with men, I think they're great. I also have no problem with women, I think they're great.
Who are you to tell me that no man will want me because I'm a feminist? Pretty much every woman is a feminist - why wouldn't they want equality? It's just some believe more strongly about it than others.
That's such a pointless thing to say. Grow up.

[Opinion Owner]

Feminism isn't about calling men sexist or calling them rapists, it's all about letting people know that there are problems that need sorting. We don't walk down the street avoiding or spitting on men because we assume they're going to rape someone.
I guess I am a feminist, but no I don't hate men. I'll hate certain people but no men overall. I don't know what started the whole 'men are better than women' but it's wrong and all I care about is changing that so we're equals. There's no point in hating men over it because it's a thing that happened in the past and is being sorted. Yes there's a stereotype that men are strong and don't cry, and that needs changing. Support for men is very quiet but that's not something to blame feminists over.

[hellionthesage]

But it never happened. Women where never oppressed and it could very easily be argued have been more privledged then men through out history. In scandinavia, historicly if a man was called ergi or unmasculin this was justification for a duel to a death, justified to the point where he was forced by society to duel a man accusing him of this. He was not allowed to participate in most of the religion, since divining and consulting the gods was a womans right. Howver if that same women wished to take on a male role of a warrior lets say, she could and did. The man was forced into a nitch role while a woman was free to do as she wished. This was also true for the scythians, and various tribes in the americas and africa. Jump forward to a more recent time and you have the woman and children first policy that abandones men to save women. When the titanic sank it killed 100 women, and 1358 men because they where expected to stay behind and die, there lives had that little value compared to a

[hellionthesage]

womans. That is not oppression, you cannot be treating a person as nothing but property and then treat there lives as being more valuable then the property owners. Women could own property unless they where married. The reason was because the husband had all financial responsibility there fore any land own by his wife was his responsibility, that is, he was expected to pay the taxes on it, if he could not he would be imprisioned not her. This also whent for any debt the wife incurred. Men got the right to vote, in the US around 1850s, solely based upon the fact that they could and where routinley drafted into war against there will. Since they where expected to fight and die they where finally given the right to have a voice in the governemnt. This voice was only given to them 70 years or one life time before women. What did women sacrifice for the vote? Nothing. They recieved the privledge without the responsibility attached to it. When women where abused by there husbands it was

[hellionthesage]

common practice to publicly flog them (actual incident of this occured in the early fifties to a man due to the law still being on the books) yet a man who was beaten by his wife or henpecked (called this to trivialise his abuse) was publicly humiliated, usually by being placed on a wagon or the back of a donkey and led through the streets as people would throw rocks manure or anything else they could get there hands on at him. The only crimes women where ever convicted of was murder or infidelity otherwise there crimes where placed in terms that would suggest it to be accidental or that she didn't know any better or any thing else that would remove responsibility (Andrea Yeates killing her eight children comes to mind as well as a woman who killed her two children and claimed it was due to post partum depression despite not being pregnant, it worked). There is a lot of reasons why feminism is a terrible thing. It is misleading and abusive.

[KidanisCortes]

Femisms is useless now a days but I don't think it has destroyed marriage

[myTake Owner]

agreed. no need to marry when you will lose everything if she cheats and 53% of all marriages fail.
not a great stat.

[hellionthesage]

"Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women’s movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage." Sheila Cronin, the leader of the feminist organization NOW

[KidanisCortes]

I did say feminism is useless by the way and It HAS participated but it's not the SOLE reason why marriage is destroyed.

[Sexualchrist]

Hahahaha! And the bitchery ensues.

I always find it hilarious how much of a backlash there is whenever someone acknowledges the truth.

[myTake Owner]

It's their emotional response to being told that more then likely they will not get married.
I don't mean to be mean, I just wanted to state the truth.

[FriedChickeneisha]

Because feminism just applies to the west right? Forget the women in other countries that don't have rights and are child brides, beaten, dont have the opportunity to get an education right, etc?

[RandomStudent]

He obviously is talking about feminists in the west though. Obviously education for women and equal rights should be a thing, we just shouldn't be so biased towards women like western feminists want so badly.

[evenlift]

The solution to one form of irrationality is not another form of irrationality. The solution to Islam, for example, is not feminism any more than it is Christianity. And, by the way, those countries also hugely violate the rights of men and boys.

[Rawrzz]

This has nothing to do with women in other countries. Those are CLEAR human right's violations.

And, why is it feminism? Why isn't it egalitarianism? It's simple human rights, but we make it about females. Isn't that kind of thinking clearly unequal? Obviously, women are treated quite horribly in the middle east, so that should be the primary concern--of course. But, why is it feminism and not egalitarianism?

And, are you comparing woman suffrage in the middle east to the West? Is that what you are trying to say?

[VampireEmpress]

@Rawrzz because those things used to all be normal even in the usa. I would think the men who did it to them thought they were being egalitarian, since they owned everything.

[Rawrzz]

You make no sense. Waste of time talking with you. Your comment is completely irrelevant to everything. Literally everything.

[FriedChickeneisha]

Bare with me, because this might be a little long

[FriedChickeneisha]

First of all, I can't express to you enough how much I hate generalizations. Anyone who calls them self a feminist and is seeking special treatment as a female, rather than equality is not a trues feminist. Do I like the concept of feminism? Of course. Are there problems in the feminist community and flaws in the movement? Yes, there is. Just like any other movement created for the advancement of one group. It sounds as if you are blaming Islam for the bad treatment of women in other countries. Islam does not teach people to belittle women or treat them like any less of a person. You are sadly mistaken. And no, feminism is not the solution. It is just a way to help by raising awareness. And no one is denying the fact that some countries also violate the rights of men and boys. But that is a separate issue and movement from feminism, which I wasn't discussing. But don't mistake that statement for me thinking that men's rights are irrelevant. Because I do care about men's rights. Why is it

[FriedChickeneisha]

feminism? Because women were given the short end of the stick for several hundred years. I like to think of feminism as a subsection of egalitarianism. Feminism is focused on gender equality, while egalitarianism is focused on equality for everyone. You basically are a feminist if you are an egalitarian (because you believe in gender equality), but a feminist is not necessarily an egalitarian. But a lot of people choose not to identify as a feminist because of the bad rep it has been given from the radical feminist or "white" feminist. The objective of feminism is to raise awareness. No one is taking away from the idea that men's rights matter, too. The fact that people are going out of their way to deny the importance of the issue shows that there is zero tolerance for the social issues that women face daily. Egalitarians can be just as silly as feminist. Instead of saying we need "less of this and more of that", how about we acknowledge that there needs to be more people willing to

[FriedChickeneisha]

fix what is wrong. Debating over who is better than who is pointless and makes you silly. And honestly, the whole label thing shouldn't matter. I am an ACTIVIST. It doesn't matter what you label yourself as at the end of the day, feminist or egalitarian, because those movements have one thing in common, EQUALITY. You are so concerned about labels when it doesn't matter.
No one even said anything about the middle east. You just made an assumption *check my comment*. And not once did I compare suffrage in the middle east to the west. I simply said feminism is important when there are other women in other countries struggling and that feminism isn't strictly aimed towards western women. I think you need to actually read my post, rather than be so quick to make assumptions, so you have a reason to argue with me about feminism

[VampireEmpress]

"there needs to be more people willing to fix what is wrong" that's what I meant. you can argue about labels all day, but that doesn't mean anyone's really fixing anything. @Rawrzz the men in the past were happy with how things were, so I meant that they wouldn't have any reason to not see themselves as being egalitarian, because they didn't see women or minorities as equal humans in the first place!

[normalice]

about sums it up, but has nothing to do with feminism

www.nairaland.com/.../2677685_fbimg1438061764379_jpegdb9a1f5a443bbf0e11caaab70ba84044

[normalice]

well, that link didn't work... nvm

[KAZ-2Y5]

"i have an idea lets blame feminism for all our problems"

"yeah thats a great idea"

hating women won't end sexism thats oppressing men just like how hating men won't end sexism opressing women hate won't end hate

[myTake Owner]

Yes i love the part in my take where i said "i hate women all men hate women"
I'm only blaming feminism for the portion of women being unattractive little spoiled brats.

[KAZ-2Y5]

yes but there's a lot of things that contribute to the end of a marriage alcohol or drug problems, large ego, being condescending, trying to change your partner, disrespecting their family, etc

[myTake Owner]

Those are emotional human unquantifiable factors.
What is quantifiable is the stat that 53% of marriages fail, If the man cheats he loses all his money and resources, If a women cheats he still loses all his resources and money. If both do nothing wrong but just want to dissolve the contract then he still loses all his money and resources.
These are things that men look at, these are facts. This is why i am saying that marriages will fall.
And feminism is to blame for this because these prejudice laws against men began in the 60's. It is feminists who protect women who cheat in a marriage and believe that they should be able to take their resources.
Even prenups are thrown out the window. Because they would say "she was stressed at the time when she signed it"
Do you see why marriage is more of a bad idea for men? I'm sure females have plenty of incentive including love, but males ONLY have love. It's nothing but a risk that can ruin a mans life.

[KAZ-2Y5]

okay dude believe what you want but remember that hate won't end hate

[myTake Owner]

I only hate the ideology of feminism, because they hate men.

[KAZ-2Y5]

i am a feminist and i dont hate men because i realize hating men won't end sexism

[myTake Owner]

This is feminism today, "air conditioning is sexist": www.inc.com/.../...r-cold-office-temperatures.html

www.youtube.com/watch

and you wonder why most men have a problem with you.

[KAZ-2Y5]

i dont see the logic in this. How can air be sexist? so by this logic winter is sexist? but winter is my favorite season... and no men dont have a problem with me. i very rarely have a problem with anybody really.

[myTake Owner]

Well these are your feminists, and the people you stand up for. Feminists are first world children complaining about first world problems.
There is absolutely no reason for feminists to exist, but they do, and they do more harm then good.

[KAZ-2Y5]

Well every group has its radicals and its idiots and I stand for what I stand for. Like how in the Middle East women get acid poured on their faces for dressing immodestly

[badboymacho]

Here's a better Idea. . . Why don't we all blame men for all our problems. Oh wait!

[KAZ-2Y5]

Blaming men for all our problems won't solve anything

[myTake Owner]

then why do it?

[KAZ-2Y5]

feminism is literally equality between the two sexes misandry is hatred towards men and misogyny is hatred towards women anybody calls themselves a "feminist" yet hates men are not feminists plain and simple dont make it more complicated then it has to be.

[myTake Owner]

How can feminism be about the equality of the two sexes when the very name is "sexist".
The name is "femin"-"ism"
Femin means female, which is derived from the word "feminine"
And yet you want us to believe that you are for the both sexes? How stupid do you think we are?

[Sara413]

Literally every feminist here has told you we DON'T blame all men for all our problems. Some men cause some of our problems, but many are simply societal.

[myTake Owner]

Yes but we don't care about what feminists say anymore.
If we did we would probably be beating ourselves and apologizing for being born male.

[KAZ-2Y5]

i am sorry were you born stupid or were you dropped on your head as a baby? you know what dude? believe whatever the hell you want to believe I AM A FEMINIST MEANING I BELIEVE IN EQUALITY FOR BOTH SEXES I BELIEVE MEN ARE RAPED EVERYDAY AND ARE TOLD TO DEAL WITH IT AND NOT GIVEN THE ATTENTION AND CARE THEY NEED WHILE 97% OF CUSTODY RIGHTS GO TO WOMEN.

I WILL SAY THIS ONE MORE TIME TO MAKE SURE IT GETS THROUGH YOUR PEA SIZED BRAIN I AM A FEMINIST I AM NOT ABOUT TO LET YOU TELL ME WHAT I AM AND WHAT I AM NOT.

[KAZ-2Y5]

In scars from the lion king tone of voice, "i am surroundered by idiots"

[myTake Owner]

My my. The anger when i said that we don't listen to you feminists.
I guess the femi-furher has spoken.

[KAZ-2Y5]

so i just another angry feminist because i my words through one ear and out the other probably because there is nothing in between to hold it in no i just have anger when i talk to idiots not feminists next time try plan D for dumbass

[myTake Owner]

Why are you so mad that someone rejects and disagrees with you?
Calm down, and accept the fact that most males don't like feminists. Calling them names will not achieve anything.

[KAZ-2Y5]

I have openly told a lot of males that I am a feminist and no one has had a problem with it until I talked to you. Which is due to the fact that no I don't hate men. So you obviously need to get out more. Plus you either believe in equality or you don't meaning you are either a feminist, misogynist, or mysandranist. They is no "other" option available

[myTake Owner]

Wow the authoritarian views you have is amazing.
You really need to examine the hubris you have acquired.

[KAZ-2Y5]

ok apparently i have acquired a hubris what am i doing that i am unaware of am i even typing this? i dont know since you seem to know so much about me

[myTake Owner]

"Plus you either believe in equality or you don't meaning you are either a feminist, misogynist, or mysandranist. They is no "other" option available"- KAZ-2Y5

[KAZ-2Y5]

was i even born in a hospital? am i am listening to van halen right now? am i really 18 or 30? i dont know. you answer these since you know so much about me.

[KAZ-2Y5]

okay thank you? for copying and pasting what i already said i dont know what i would do without you.

[myTake Owner]

"Plus you either believe in equality or you don't meaning you are either a feminist, misogynist, or mysandranist. They is no "other" option available"- KAZ-2Y5
I'll keep posting this until you wake up to the fact that you actually said that.
I'm just waiting for you to say that all men need to die.

[KAZ-2Y5]

thats stupid how will we reproduce plus i love my boyfriend. keep reposting to your hearts desire dumbfuck.

[KAZ-2Y5]

plus if i typed the damn thing i am aware i said it. you either believe in equality or you dont.

[myTake Owner]

"Plus you either believe in equality or you don't meaning you are either a feminist, misogynist, or mysandranist. They is no "other" option available"- KAZ-2Y5"

I will keep reposting this everytime you reply.
to let everyone know that you said this. keep calling me names, it's taking you far.

[KAZ-2Y5]

ok as you can see everybody pays attention to my posts plus i am the queen of sass and give zero fucks

[myTake Owner]

"Plus you either believe in equality or you don't meaning you are either a feminist, misogynist, or mysandranist. They is no "other" option available"- KAZ-2Y5"

"ok as you can see everybody pays attention to my posts plus i am the queen of sass" - KAZ-2Y5

Feminism^

[KAZ-2Y5]

i like how you define feminism even though you have no idea what it means. google it. google is a beautiful tool. yes i am the queen of sass get used to it.

[myTake Owner]

"Plus you either believe in equality or you don't meaning you are either a feminist, misogynist, or mysandranist. They is no "other" option available"- KAZ-2Y5"

"ok as you can see everybody pays attention to my posts plus i am the queen of sass" - KAZ-2Y5

Just keep replying, this list just get's bigger and it's hilarious.

[KAZ-2Y5]

ok i have no life this gives me something to do.

[myTake Owner]

Do you just try to make my list bigger? Is this all real or are you trolling?
I can't tell if you're really a feminist or just a trolling.

"Plus you either believe in equality or you don't meaning you are either a feminist, misogynist, or mysandranist. They is no "other" option available"- KAZ-2Y5"

"ok as you can see everybody pays attention to my posts plus i am the queen of sass" - KAZ-2Y5

"ok i have no life this gives me something to do" - KAZ-2Y5

seriously, are you trolling?

[KAZ-2Y5]

no i am really a feminist i thought you got it the first time but i have obviously assumed you were more intelligent than you really are. My mistake. i will say it again i believe in equality. dont care if you are white, black, hispanic, gay, straight, transexual, or have purple skin everyone deserves equality.

[myTake Owner]

what is equality for you? what are the principles? the word "equal" is a mathematical term.
Unless you are thinking that humans are no more than numbers?

"Plus you either believe in equality or you don't meaning you are either a feminist, misogynist, or mysandranist. They is no "other" option available"- KAZ-2Y5"

"ok as you can see everybody pays attention to my posts plus i am the queen of sass" - KAZ-2Y5

"ok i have no life this gives me something to do" - KAZ-2Y5

[KAZ-2Y5]

you can call me an egalitarianist since the root word femin offends you equality for me is equal status, rights and opportunities does not matter if you are straight, LGBT, what your gender, nationality, or skin color is.

[myTake Owner]

What rights and opportunities?
Are you trying to say that the root of egalitarianism is feminist? or that i am offended by the word femin?
Cause either way is a false statement.
I'm loving your social justice warrior tendencies of authoritarian views.

"Plus you either believe in equality or you don't meaning you are either a feminist, misogynist, or mysandranist. They is no "other" option available"- KAZ-2Y5"

"ok as you can see everybody pays attention to my posts plus i am the queen of sass" - KAZ-2Y5

"ok i have no life this gives me something to do" - KAZ-2Y5

[KAZ-2Y5]

i am loving your asshole attitude i am not about to have an argument with an idiot you are dragging me dwon to your level and will beat me with experience you are obviously offended by the femin since you called it sexist. must i repeat what you already said back to you?

[VampireEmpress]

@Take Owner how did feminism cause you to suffer? what did it make happen that forced you to suffer?

[MisterWhiskey]

he just wants a reason to blame his personal failures in life on someone else to make himself feel better. I see pathetic "men" like this all the time. They use feminists are a scapegoat so they don't have to come to terms with their own shortcomings and failures. It's truly pathetic.

[KAZ-2Y5]

agreed ^^^^^^^^

[MisterWhiskey]

You should just re-name this take "I REALLY fucking hate women, and here is why I think they should suffer" because we all know what kind of person you are, no need to feign any sort of logic. What a loser.

[jacquesvol]

Indeed.

[Anonymous]

i love how guys blam EVERYTHING on feminism, periods, friend zones

"man such a hot weather!"
"it's always like that in the friendzone"

and yea women get less the sentence for the same crime, men get paid more for the same job

[myTake Owner]

never blamed period or friend zones.
just feminism.
And that stat is complete bullshit, it is illegal to discriminate against women to not pay them less for the same job in the same company.
Any economist would laugh at the figure since it doesn't account for pregnancy, females choosing to be mothers, females working less then men on average and all those other things.
What that stat did is just gave an average for ALL women and ALL men.

And you're vile if you actually believe in males getting longer sentences then females.

And you wonder why less and less of us are available in relationships and marriage when makes statements like "and yea women get less the sentence for the same crime, men get paid more for the same job"
what about males suffering 93% of all work place related deaths when they are 53% of the workforce?
Get out of here with your bullshit oppression lies. you western females are the most privileged creatures on the planet.

[Opinion Owner]

"Females get shorter sentences for the same exact crime than males. "

direct "vile" quote
right from your "vile" take

[Opinion Owner]

less and less males are not available for marriage because there are cheap #$!@#$!@#% who give it up too easily, men just choose to sleep around because a lot of them can't handle comitment

where is your proof of these stats?
and i seriously doubt that feminism or women killed those men so yea...

hahahahahahaha awww poor little victim you

[myTake Owner]

There are more females in america then there are males: https://www.geohive.com/earth/pop_gender.aspx
you will see that males are at 153,139,563 and females at 157,244,385.
Now account for the fact that men commit 4 times (i made a mistake because i said it was 3) more suicide then females www.bloombergview.com/.../why-do-more-men-commit-suicide
females get shorter sentences for the same crime: www.huffingtonpost.com/.../...r-gap_n_1874742.html

I never said that these women are killing these men, please stop accusing me of things i never said when you can simply scroll up. I am saying that already the playing field for you is competitive, and feminism is only destroying that.

[myTake Owner]

You maybe angry all you want but that doesn't change the fact that more than likely since you are a feminist you will not find a man.

oh and your false stat about woman getting paid less for the same job being proven wrong... by feminists :www.huffingtonpost.com/.../wage-gap_b_2073804.html

[myTake Owner]

I also forgot to mention the fact that men die about 10 years earlier and are more likely to get sick.
add that to the suicide rate, prison rate, and men just not wanting to get married due to marriage being a way of losing all your money and maybe even children even if you are the wronged party.

But please explain your logic about why you believe that men should get longer sentences for the same crime?

[Opinion Owner]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH
IM the angry one here? xD

lmao im out

[ccp16]

wow I just read through all of this, complete and utter non sense.. Anon, I can vouch that in all my years of knowing plenty of men, we are all still looking for women to marry... Not sure what dark corners of the internet troll lair this guy comes form, but I highly doubt millions upon millions of men no longer want to date or marry women... just the kids who have been spurned.

[myTake Owner]

oh silly neckbeard beta male feminist.
If you want to get married into a institution that gives females no accountability of responsibility or anything then go ahead.
But most men are logical enough to look at that and say to themselves "why the fuck would i marry?"
Hell even prenups get thrown out of court because they would just say "she was stressed at the time of signing"

enough with your male feminism, and just letting you know just because you are white knighting for these females doesn't mean they will sleep with you.
away McIntosh.

[Opinion Owner]

@ccp16
lol thanks ^_^
i really hope that guy is a troll haha

i dont really like having discussions with people blinded by anger like that... like im willing to talk things over but what's the point ifthe other party is just gonna be screaming in rage ya know lol

and nevermind the stuff he called you
you're good (y)

[evenlift]

Even if men were paid more for the same work, the fact is, you do not have the right to someone else's money. Stop being so entitled!

[Rawrzz]

Do you get paid less for the job you do than your male counterpart? I'm honestly asking.

And, if you truly want equality, then why be a feminist instead of an egalitarian? Aren't you focusing on women? Do you care about men at all?

[Opinion Owner]

im a student actually (and im not american)

men already have their rights, women are the ones who had to fight for it since before our grandmothers were even born

[myTake Owner]

Wrong, women were the most privileged creatures on the planet.
Men would go out to hard and deadly jobs while females would stay at home with the kids, and it was expected of men to sacrifice like this to their wives. It was men who were drafted or forced to go into war throughout history, and they were the ones who died.
Even in the titanic, do you remember the saying "Women and children first" ?
Ohh the oppression

[Opinion Owner]

yea yea yea.. blah blah

[myTake Owner]

The essence of feminism^

[Opinion Owner]

if that's what you wanna believe

[Rawrzz]

"Yeah yeah bla bla bla." That's the kind of response you get when you talk about male rights.

If women were oppressed for millennia--which is the foundation of feminism--then women were the only group of people unable to ever rise up against their oppressors. Is there a better argument for women's innate inferiority? If you are a feminist, that is what you claim. That women are weak, stupid, and oppressed. THAT is why I'm not a feminist.

[FedoraTheExplora]

Gotta love MRAs vs Feminists debates...

[evenlift]

It's not really a debate, when one side is pointing guns. It's not a debate whether I, for example, hand over my money to feminist causes. I am forced to, and the feminists don't even have the guts to do it themselves.

[WhaChaChaKing]

Feminist don't want to be with people like you and people like you don't want to be with feminist so what's the point in all of this? All these takes on feminism are getting old.

[badboymacho]

Build your on city fulll of feminist. Why leech on men?

[myTake Owner]

I'm assuming then you want the "male feminist"?
Go right at them.
But the men that you do want, are not going to date a feminist unless they are a masochists.

[evenlift]

Feminists are more than happy to take money by force from the rest of us.

Feminists, go and live by yourselves. Stop leeching off us. Then we will stop talking about feminism.

[MisterWhiskey]

I'd happily live in a Feminist utopia, no little bitchy man babies to contend with. good riddance!

[MrChadeo920]

You are the exact reason why men can ever talk about ther issues. Pulling the old "These takes on feminism are getting old" trick I see.
Your probably the same woman who gets in a relationship with a man and after several months you complain to your girlfriends that he doesn't talk to you anymore. News flash: Men have thoughts and feelings as well. The problem is women never want to listen to us.

[Anonymous]

You're off the 'market'? Damn that's such a blow!!! You sound like a barrel of laughs

[myTake Owner]

not just me but million of men don't want anything to do with women.
you can be alittle cunt about it, but it doesn't change the fact that you will not be married.

[Opinion Owner]

Who are these millions of men you speak of? I see absolutely no shortage of men looking for a girl to marry from where I'm standing. You're deluded

[myTake Owner]

look up MGTOW
or any anti feminist video and you'll see them
just because they don't make themselves herd by screaming like feminists doesn't mean they are not there.
and you are lying. maybe on the internet you may see them, but you as a feminist will not get married.
every man i know, that i have ever met is repulsed by feminists even ex feminists are to be avoided.

I'm the man here, your the angry female that feels challenged when she hears the truth.
i will promise you that you will not get married, and if you do; it will not be the man that you wished for.
what man would go into marriage, knowing that if you cheated then you can take all his fortune and never allow him to see his children?

[myTake Owner]

the delusional one here, is the female that thinks males are excited to get into marriage where they will have everything taken from them if the woman feels like it.

[Opinion Owner]

I'm actually engaged. The joke is on you my friend. Bitterness ain't cute

[myTake Owner]

no you're not.
everyone who will read this will roll their eyes.
no need to lie to look cool :)
i'm not bitter or anything, i'm just letting females know that they will not all marry and if they want to, they will have to compete cause there are less men then women, more men in america and Europe are going to foreign countries to find wives.
And you are a feminist. no man on earth would ever touch a feminist

[myTake Owner]

so if there are less men then woman, more and more men are choosing not to be in relationships... you are not seeing the problem here?:)

[Opinion Owner]

Awkward when I'm not lying. My fiancé also believes in equality so why wouldn't he touch me on that basis?

[myTake Owner]

Becuase two tings
A) you are a feminist. We men avoid feminists like the plaque.
B) If a man gets married then the woman cheats on him, he will have to pay money to her in the divorce, he will lose everything including his children. and 53% of all marriages fail, so why on earth when looking at that would a man want to do that?
I'm sure a relationship would do, but marriage is just not worth it anymore, there is a 53% that we will lose everything.
there is no "equality" in that.

[myTake Owner]

53% chance*

[Opinion Owner]

Don't speak on behalf of 'most' men when you haven't the faintest clue what you're talking about

[myTake Owner]

you are a feminst.
you hate men.
53% of all marriages FAIL. all men lose everything in marriage
men have been through divorce with their parents and saw how the mother took everything
every male i have known, and i've known plenty and including my college says the same thing.
"wtf is the point if she cheats and we lose everything"
if you honestly believe that when we look at marriage that we think we want that. then you little liar, who is obviously not engaged has a rude awakening
face it, you will not find a man, especially because you are a feminist.
you can get angry and call me names, and do whatever. but it's a fact, men look at the stats and the result of divorce and they see that it is against them. no reason to do it, when you can just have a relationship or hookers (hookers are cheaper then wives)
face it, soon you will be replaced.

[myTake Owner]

the only bitter one is see is the female trying to tell a male what other males think.
keep getting salty cause you're about to reach dead sea level salt.

[Opinion Owner]

I don't hate men. I <3 men. I just hate men like you who have a superiority complex. My marriage won't end in divorce so he has nothing to worry about

[myTake Owner]

you are a feminist, more than likely you owned a "male tears" cup which also mean "sperm" in japan.
more than likely you used the hashtag "#killallmen" or "#castrateallmen"
I have NEVER met a man who doesn't avoid feminists.
don't attempt to lie otherwise, we really do hate you feminists. seriously google it, and you will find nothing but males watching anti-feminist videos

53% of all marriages fail. that is the number you have to compete with. if let's say that you are actually engaged, then that means your man would have to know that 53% of all marriages fail, and that if you cheat or decide to leave him because you are bored then he will have everything taken away from him. this is LAW.

so good luck with knowing all of that, and good luck with knowing that there are less males then females and millions and i mean MILLIONS of men are waking up and asking themselves "Wtf" and "whats the point of marriage aside from stealing my money legally"?

[Opinion Owner]

You're so dumb this is fun

[myTake Owner]

okay :)
call me names, but i am stating facts.
less men exist, and more and more men don't want marriage.
that's a fact.
are you going to argue against the fact that men look at the stats and their personal experience in drove of their parents and decide to not marry?

good luck with your mental gymnastics.

[myTake Owner]

divorce* not drove

[Opinion Owner]

This is bs. Not facf

[Anonymous]

There's a difference between feminism and femiNAZISM. Know it!

[Dipsy]

You mean between equality and feminism?