
Why do you think 42% of marriages end in divorce?


Honestly? Because they don't know how to work things out and their is outside encouragement to do so. The fact is that over 53% of people who initiated divorce stated they regretted it (it is primarily women who initiate at some where between 70-80% and its usually irreconcilable differences claims of falling "out of love" and not feeling the "spark" are frequently reported) over 40% reported regretting it within the first week. I think its because women are constantly being told "not to settle" an that they can do better so when things don't work out they think they can just trade in the guy for a new one and things are just going to be fine (not all women of course but it seems since women are the ones doing most of the filing (about 60% of all male filed divorces are due to infidelity on the womans part) and I think being bombarded with that message from other women, from society as a whole has convinced many, but especially women since they are usually the target of these messages, that if things are not perfect, if they are not feeling the fairy tale romance and constant thrill of the relationship then they are not truly in love with the person and they need to find some one else. That of course is not how relationships work, they confuse contentment with boring and in our society that is frowned upon. They have also removed most negative consequences for divorce for women (women almost always get custody of children and they get alimony/child support 80% of the time) so their is less outside pressure to stay and work things out. Of course I am not saying this is womens fault and they are to be blamed, I am saying when any one is constantly bombarded by this it is going to have an effect and when a guy hears divorce he will lose out so he has an incentive to try and find the solutions to problems while women really don't have as much incentive to do so. So its not that women are the problem so much as women are for what ever reason the target of the message. I think women overly romanticize relationships while men are pretty conditioned to know how much hard work goes into it. As Stephen Burns (comedian) pointed out we teach children about relationships through stories and fairly tales so a girl is told that all she has to do is sit in the castle and wait for her prince, its that easy, the boy is told that he has to travel the world, slay ogres and monsters, kill a dragon climb a tower kill a witch then wake the sleeping princess.
https://youtu.be/qfouwh-NiP8
Obviously he is joking but I do think that their is some truth to it (as most comedy does). The fact is you hear how women talk about falling out of love but that's not what love is, love is something you have to work on, something that takes years and years and I think that for what ever reason women are more prone to accept and are more likely to be told that if they are not happy or if they don't get those "butterflies" or if things are "boring" then the relationship is over. In fact one women said as much: www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...ow-Im-childless-42.html
So I think that is the issue this romantacising of marriage and relationships and the fact that we tend to gloss over the parts of it that are difficult, we don't point out that some times you just have to communicate
.(and yes, as a man I find that women are less likely to communicate, at least in a way that I will understand. They tend to be passive and subtle to the point where I don't realize something is a problem or a big problem and then they take that as if I/the man is actively ignoring the problem when in fact he is just not being made aware of it so he can fix it. That's why on here when ever I see a woman ask about questions or asking if they should not talk to a person to get them to understand that they are upset to just stop and tell them, don't hint to suggest out right state in no uncertain terms what the problem is. Most men will be happy to try and fix the problem and work with you, its just a matter of him realizing that you have a problem.) I think also women tend to under value men in our day and age. You hear constantly how men are never doing enough for the woman, how men can treat women better etc. but never the opposite which creates/reinforces biases.
That's not to say men don't have their problems, they do but it seems that women are the ones filing for divorce almost exclusively at this point and it seems like they are the ones regretting it hence me addressing the womans side of it (plus as I pointed out we are all more then happy to point out everything a man does wrong but in this case I think we need to look at women since they are the ones dissatisfied and divorcing then regretting it).
@Brah63926 I mean that's also a possibility but again, that doesn't explain just how frequent it is, there are way to many divorces to be accounted for by just that. But yeah that's also a thing.
Because couples get together for the wrong reasons with unrealistic expectations. Because they aren't in the mode of giving, they want only to 'get'. And the terms 'honor' and 'loyalty' are a bygone concept - no one is willing to stick it out and be willing to meet the other halfway - they stick to their guns and refuse to budge.
Too many are stuck in this disneyland-dream world of unrealistic expectations of what a real relationship is. When those expectations are not met then they are deemed 'unhappy'. And bail.
And many couples fail to hold up their obligation to the other. Both get fat and lazy and fail to honor the other sexually. Women in particular become bored if their husband doesn't uphold his burden of performance - it truly is on the man to lead, but we have a whole crop of weak beta whiny guys and the women get to where they simply loathe them. So they either shut down sexually, or bail, or cheat. The guys will do this too, she's shut down so he goes elsewhere for sex, or becomes addicted to porn.
It's a vicious cycle - but these are the primary reasons why the divorce rate is so high.
Because they aren't ordained of the Lord. I know people hate hearing it but when a man and woman has a weak foundation, it will always crumple. That's why marriage of people of different faiths always fall apart. People need a strong foundation, willing to let self get out of the way and put God first. God ordained marriage, not man. Atheists can blah blah all they want. They know the truth. That is also why there is no much thing as homosexual marriage because it is not true love. You can never have the deep bond on a sexual and marital level that a 1-man, 1-woman relationship joined together as a 1-flesh relationship can have. Sure, the government may call it homosexual marriage but we all know there's no such thing. Yeah, all the haters! Hate but deep down you know there is not a such thing as homosexual marriage. Marriage was meant to produce fruit. Sure, there are infertile people but God didn't cause your infertility. But with 2 men or 2 women, there's never a chance to yield fruits of your sex. So yeah, the "marriage" can never in any case, regardless how healthy they are ever produce a baby. Yep, you heard me right. A man and a man can never have a baby. A woman and a woman can never have a baby. Yep, An infertile man or woman can have a baby in a heterosexual marriage because there is always a chance the infertility can be reversed, even if doctors say it can't.
I hate to say you sir are correct even if it's kind of sad homosexuals can't have a family of thier own
All you have to do is look at GAG and see that people focus on the wrong things when looking for someone to date, let alone marry.
It seems like the average woman nowadays cares more about what a man has than about how he treats her, and then she's surprised when this guy who makes good money, had his own house before he met her, his own car before he met her, a college degree, has a great career and looks amazing cheats on her, is an alkie, is abusive, is a liar or whatever.
And the average man seems to look for how stereotypically feminine the woman is, i. e. gender roles, attitude/demeanor, looks. And then he's surprised when she turns out to be crazy/emotionally unstable, a liar, a huge b1tch once she's comfortable with him, dumb, doesn't know how to do schitt, is either a huge wh0re or a huge prude, is fake as hell (i. e. fake eyelashes, fake hair, fake lips, fake @ss, fake boobs, looks totally different without makeup), etc. And both men and women take pointless crap such as liking the same music and pasttimes as signs of compatibility.
Nobody gets to know anybody; it's all about meeting someone's dumb, shallow list that has nothing to do with *what kind of person you are.* People basically marry body parts and material things, not people, and then they're surprised that doesn't work.
I think people jump into marriage too soon in a lot of cases. In some instances, people also marry someone they are incompatible with. They would have known this perhaps if they paid attention or didn't just stay with the person for superficial reasons or simply out of comfort. Too many people see red flags early on but just ignore it or think it will "change" or "Get better". I see this with a friend of mine who has been with her partner for 8 years. It's CLEAR as fcking daylight they are not compatible but she just says she stays with him cause he's all she knows and that she is used to him and doesn't want to leave.
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Because feminism taught women that taking on any traditional responsibility is oppressive, while still very much holding men to traditional standards.
So any expectations to fulfill duties that traditionally have been female, will now cause resentment, no matter how those duties are divided.
Working a full-time, or even a part-time job, has placed additional stress on women, on top of whatever domestic duties they still might do.
And since women break easier from stress (scientificly proven), and any sort of traditional domestic duties are considered oppressive, this will more often than not result her in concluding that her male partner 'isn't pulling his weight', even though he's still bound by his traditional responsibility + a share of her traditional responsibilities.
This causes domestic disputes and dissatisfaction, and may even lead to adultery on either part.
The statistics back it up, with approximately 70% of divorces instigated by women, with no-fault general dissatisfaction as the major cause.
The materialistic driven nature, and constant craving for more, bigger, and better, adds another element, which is the neccesary cash-flow that comes from women pulling in an income.
And since most of the useless shit that money is spent on, is debt based, married couples are usually locked, without room to adjust to something that actually works, and with no acceptance of cutting lifestyle luxuries and standard of living.
And should a male for some reason become unemployed for a lenghty period of time, and hence, not be able to fulfill his traditional responsibility, that is a risk factor as well.
Because of hypergamy, this scenario is highly undesireable, especially if the woman is pulling an income.
You can be damn sure she'll be looking to monkeybranch first chance she gets.
Yeah sure NAWALT, but it's the exceptions than confirm the general trend.
So, as by placing any sort of responsibility on an woman is considered oppressive, and by making a marital contract a worthless document that can be annulled on a whim, marriage has lost it's cohesion.
And all because the Neo-Marxist feminist movement managed to succeed in tricking women into believing that fulfilling her duties as a wife and mother, was degrading, and a tool of oppression.
Now, women are taking facials from different guys 5 days a week, by guys who treat the like shit, in celebration of their sexual liberation and throwing down the shackles of marital obligations.
This is true... whether girls want to admit it or not. I wish i live 50+ years ago dammit... women were classy.
@TheUsername27
Yes it is. That's why it's called Red Pill Truth.
It's a bitter pill to swallow, if you're not preperaed.
Marriage was originally created to ensure a safe and secure environment for kids to grow up, since human offspring has a long maturity cycle, compared to to pretty much any other species on the planet.
Where women could do what they're biologically coded to do, under the safeguard and provision of a man coded to do exactly that.
Now, they basically want to pay women of lower socioeconomic status for raising their kids, so they can go do whatever dumb shit, and not have to actually bother with raising children themselves.
Marriage is dead, serves no purpose, and that is why men are turning their backs on marriage like never before.
They just watch from the sidelines, as blue piller after blue piller gets stripped in divorce.
It's a huge victory for the communists, in breaking down the family unit, 1984 style.
@TheUsername27 I also wish I was born in the past. 😐
@Calwri Yeah I'm sure men were more gentlemen like. Some girls like that stuff. But in the defense of men... i don't think it is us that stopped that. The whole nice guy finishes last notion + feminism has made men look at women differently. Seriously if i dropped my jacket on a puddle to let a woman cross she would run or walk very quickly away probably assuming i want to bang her.
''Marriage is dead, serves no purpose, and that is why men are turning their backs on marriage like never before.''
Most women when they get a divorce make it their duty to try and suck as much money out of their husband. My Dad dirvorced his ex-wife.. she went to court and got quite a lot of money. For a reason i can't remember he had £20k hiding away which he gave to his 2 daughters but the wife took it and spent half that money on going back to court to get more money off him (taking away her childs university money). And I'm sure most men who set-up alimony end up getting it disregarding or something? I hope I'm wrong...
EDIT: She tried getting more money off him because she felt her lawyers didn't try hard enough o get more. She failed and wasted 60% of that 20k...
A marriage destined to succeed and for all the right reasons involves God, Man, Woman. It also involves 100% His plan, 100% commitment from the woman, and 100% commitment from the man. Any less than that, and there will be danger.
If it was never meant to be, all the scheming on this planet will fail, or have disastrous consequences. The greater the determined hubris, the more tragic the outcome.
If the man or woman is selfish, has serious character flaws and won't get them treated, etc., then it's only a matter of time before things are on the rocks.
Although more and more science and history every day are confirming that Men Are Without Excuse, a massive portion of the population still identifies as "non-religious" (meaning, self or the State is their god.)
So trying to work toward His plan and serving it can be thrown out the window to begin with.
That being said, without that, selfish reasons become the biggest reasons to get married. Which, are automatically inferior reasons.
From there, the danger always exists that the selfish want will one day decide that the marriage no longer suits said want. And then, self-destruct is all but inevitable.
70% of first-timers stay married. But of the remaining 30%, repeated multiple marriages and divorces throughout life have become the norm. This has skewered the statistics to the point that nearly half of the total number end in divorce.
Which means, that 30% consists of those who never learn from their mistakes.
Many think simply avoiding marriage means never having to be part of those shameful statistics.
Except, to pursue selfish sexual goals and refuse to get married is an even more shameful de facto position. And many of that crowd not only never learn from their mistakes, but think losing is winning! Like Wimp-Lo from Kung Pow! And yet, flaunt their narcissism today like never before.
I will give few reasons that i think are related based on real life experience with such people :
1- Usually divorces are intiated by women for a simple reason, they had way too many expectations and failed to realize their husband is only a human, he can't be super rich, he can't be ripped most of the time and he has other responsibilities than being lovey dovey all day long.
2- She is simply unfit for being a wife and want to stay young and party, some women can't cook, can't clean, dont want children, and if they do dont even wanna take care of them, they want the easy way out of it, and when the husband says he can't take it anymore she files for divorce.
3- Age plays a role as well, those who are the same age usually get into arguments and fights more often, an ideal situation would be a husband who is at least 3-4 years older than his wife, that way they're on the same level mentally, she likes him more, he is attracted to her more and arguments are less likely to happen since they're more comfortable in that position and there is no competition or anything similiar (plus the guy is more established) .
4- cheating, both of them can do it, men do it for an extra booty and women do it for "emotional" reasons or just for another dick , either way its bad and it can lead to divorces.
5- Not enough money : basically we need money and when both dont make enough fights begin to arise and at some point the woman (usually) decides she's had enough and asks for divorce to find a better partner or a better job, i think its wrong but what can we do really.
6- or that partner is simply a shitty one and doesn't care at all
"I'm going to be the worst person to be married to."
Do you know anyone who declare this before getting married? I think we know what to emulate to be marriage material but emulation is a mere mask. I won't go into too much detail for one to really think about that.
But where does this expectations come from? I can give you the mundane answer of movies, tv shows, and social media. Great! Thanks for displaying your love for each other publicly. There's nothing wrong with it but what is the motivation for that? Insecurity.
If we are truly content in our relationships, and I'm talking of that "old kind of love," you would not look for others for approval or envy. You'd be content. Yet there's always some type of indirect input from someone. Agree or disagree but human nature has tendency for temptation to comparison.
Lastly there are those who believe not talking about discontentment is the answer. Are you not lying if you try to hide you have a desire to hide but later use that reason for divorce, what foolish good riddance these type of people are. These people always think that they are better of the two. Communication error doesn't have to go this way but errors such as these happen.
So difficult to know how to have a lasting marriage looking at the above yea? But key to marriage is not fixing the above but being able to handle the above. We love someone who will hurt us but we forgive because we don't keep track. We love someone who doesn't deserve us because of their failures but we forget and lead them. We love to learn to love someone who destroys our expectations. Discipline and attitude is key not only to life but also marriage.
Could be even more than 42%. I am not quite sure how the divorce rate is calculated. Like does it mean 58% of marriages never end in divorce and they stay together until death, or does it only mean that 58% of marriages last until 10 years ( or whatever period they track them over) and then may or may not get divorced after that point?
Because personally, I think it is hard to believe that only 42% of all marriages end in divorce. I don't believe most people actually stay with the person they married until death like the vows say.
Regardless, I don't believe lifelong monogamy to one person is natural. Not saying it isn't possible or worthwhile to pursue, I just think it is instinctual for us to only be monogamous for the time it would take for an infant to be raised to the point of being able to fend for itself.
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In addition to that, I think a lot of people have their most passionate sexual and emotional relationships when in their late teens and early 20's and then the person they marry is usually chosen based on stability. Plus when kids come into the picture it is pretty common for the passion in the relationship to die.
Divorce is also less scrutinized and easier to do than in the past. Women usually know they will be walking away with the kids, alimony, and child support payments from their partner so there is also good incentive for them to do it except for in the rare cases where the woman married a man who earns less than she does.
Normally divorce rate is the amount of the divorces in a given year compared to the amount of new marriages in the same year. Which you're right is not a very accurate, it actually makes it seem much higher than it actually is.
The reason the "divorce rate" is higher than let's say 30 years ago is not necessarily because of fewer divorces but because fewer people get married in any given year
Secondly the people who are divorcing are not the same who are marrying. Divorce rate is the last generations divorce rate. It has absolutely nothing to do with people getting married now
@nalaa
"it actually makes it seem much higher than it actually is"
Well not necessarily since we don't really know what rate it actually is.
It also depends on how you are thinking of it. Like do you believe most married couples stay with the person they originally married until death?
I know thats not easy to get stats on, but that to me is ideally how it should be calculated. That actually answers the question of "what percentage of marriages end in divorce".
Well no, it DOES necessarily inflate it.
Image last year 1000 people got married and 60 divorced, that's a 6% divorce rate. Now imagine the next year 100 people get married and again 60 get divorced, suddenly you have 60% divorce rate.
I do think most people stay with the person they first married. And also that some people get married and divorced over and over again, which further inflates the numbers.
@nalaa
Well yeah, more divorces in one year can inflate the figure when compared to a different year.
However when we are comparing that figure (divorces/marriages) to the actual percentage of married couples who get divorced we can't say for sure which is higher since we don't actually know the acctual percentage.
What are you defining as most?
The bare minimum of 51% or even higher..
@nalaa
Ok, I see your point about the declining number of marriages inflating that metric, but what I am talking about when I think of the "actual divorce rate" is what percent of those 1,000 people that got married last year are still together 10 or 20 years down the road and what percent of the 100 people married next year will still be married 10 or years from their wedding date...
So maybe in 10 years , 600 out of that population of 1,000 original marriages have already divorced which would be a 60% divorce rate based on that metric as well.
I know most means over 50%, but it is a big range. When you say most you could mean 51% all the way up to 99%. So what I was asking is how liberal are you being when you say most couples stay with the person they first married?
Are you suggesting just 51% or 60% or 70% or 80%?
Being incompatible with the other person exterior (looks) are just a coverage we all like but the interior (personality) taste will make a deal with future.
Lies, compromises and fights. First lies creates untrust to one self and the person you are with also some people are pretty jealous and posesive.
Compromises are worse because can lead to insatisfaction in one self, that's why is better to feel what you desire and actual see the outcome/consequence then to feel fustrated the whole life with "Wonder how it would be if i did that instead of.."
Fights comes from financial instability, chores, schedule (lack of time spend togheter) and also lack of understanding and this comes from having different perspective over life and future some people want something and other wants different thing. That why compatibility is the first and most common issue.
Last but not least is comunication , others can't really figure out what's happening to you especially if you're a girl, guys pick body language harder then girls do.
I hope I say it all. is there something else?
1. Money troubles.
2. Stress.
3. Differing values.
4. Unreconciliable disagreements.
5. Misunderstandings.
6. Inability to look over another person's weaknesses.
7. Inability to look over trivial disputes.
8. Inability to sacrifice oneself for the sake of the other.
9. Too much emphasis on personal goals and desires at the expense of the other.
Bottom line: marriage is supposed to be about cooperation. It is the ultimate type of cooperation, one that involves the unity of two individuals with the possibility of heirs to inherit the cooperated effort. No cooperation? No successful marriage then.
Ha! Where do I begin? Because monogamy is a farce. Because too many people jump the gun and marry the wrong person. Because too many people marry for the wrong reasons. Because too many people think they will not be happy unless they are married. Because too many people are trying to keep up with the Joneses (And their Facebook friends.) Because too many people have been suckered into the fantasy of "being married with a house and a white picket fence." Because too many people are conformists and just do what everybody else is doing and don't think for themselves until it's too late. Because marriage is hard work and takes true commitment and people are generally lazy and selfish. No, I'm not jaded. Lol.
I think the main reason is unrealistic expectations. How many people sit down before they tie the knot and hash out all the important details? This leads to confusion and frustration down the road that drives wedges between people.
That and I think many women have this naive concept of romantic love and weddings from romantic comedies, fairy tales, etc. Then 5 years 2 kids and 30 extra lbs later they realize it wasn't what they envisioned so hey why not take half his stuff and get alimony and the house and date my new boyfriend?
I totally agree all though it wouldn't be me acting this way
There are a million different reasons, can't pin it down to just one or a few. But I would say it can be summed up in the fact that it's simply very difficult for two different people to get along for 40+ years. Everyone has unique values, goals, needs, desires, and expectations to begin with, and even if those can be reconciled at the start, people change many times throughout the course of their lives. I believe it is possible for some people to stay happily married, but it takes a good match to start with, along with great compassion and empathy from both people. But that's rare. I think we really should change our expectations for marriage and relationships to acknowledge that lifetime monogamy is not natural for most people, and even for those who are monogamous, plenty of space and separate activities are necessary.
Way too many factors. Too much unrealistic expectations, believing in that happily ever after fantasy bullshit. Sometimes people just change how they feel about each other, as the spark eventually wears off, the spark and feelings that they had for each other in the beginning of their relationship and marriage. There's also the physical attraction, because people age, they start to get wrinkles or perhaps gain weight or anything that might change their appearance, again not in every single case, but it does happen. Reminds me of a flowers, they appear really good and attractive at first when it blossom or bloom, but then eventually and inevitably all wither up and die. So if anyone focused so much on physical appearance when they married, they might learn things the hard way eventually.
Plenty of other marrying for the wrong reasons in the first place, don't have time to look them all up.
People can be selfish and proud. Their egos can get in the way of doing what's best for their marriage, even by choosing to do nothing at all. That's how people grow apart - they stop trying to connect. Sometimes it's not about being right, or winning but knowing when to just accept and move on.
People get married before they truly know each other, including knowing how their partner will react in adversity and how to handle that together.
Marriage for me is being able to put my husbands wants and needs absolutely even with my own. Sometimes I need more than he does and vice versa, but we're always putting in more than we're taking out
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There are a gazillion responses to this post already with so many different answers, and you know... most of them are correct. The fact that a question has so many different correct answers sort of implies that the real issue is that relationships are just complex and as our society becomes more and more wealthy, we're more willing to forge forward as individuals because it's simply more possible now.
I'm not against marriage, however I don't think that it's something you should do if you're someone who makes a decent amount of money and has assets. Once you get married, you lose at least 50% of the decision making and put your entire future at risk. However, if you're broke... eh, get married all you want.
Because:
1) people decide too quick to get married out of either
i) societal/peer pressure
ii) scared of dying alone
iii) myth of not being able to find anyone right after college
2) Money/financial problems
3) Sexual incompatibility resulting in extramarital affairs
4) Abuse
5) Lack of communication because
i) most people get married with the ones they find "physically attractive"
ii) Couples don't really build things or work on a healthy relationship
6) Addiction
7) Unhappiness (self unhappiness, not satisfied with what you do etc. resulting in negative effect on marriage)
8) Age difference
9) fundamental differences in political ideology, religion, educational background, parental styles etc.
Can't find any more reason lol :D
I think there's many reasons, you could talk about those reasons for days, if not weeks -- there's too many to name. But I think one of the main reasons is that some people get hitched too quickly; they don't take the time to really understand and know everything there is to know about the other person. I'm speaking from experience as my mother, when I was quite young, got married fairly quickly to my now ex step-father who turned out to be emotionally abusive. So I really think that being prudent is key, especially when dating someone and choosing whether or not you should spend the rest of your life with that person, or not.
It's a combination of difficulty and low value. It's most often difficult to make a marriage work, and many people don't see it as worth the effort.
In addition, people rush into it far too easily because they view it as lesser value. I've heard more times than I can remember from young people rashly getting married that 'If it doesn't work, we'll just get a divorce.' So they go into it as sort of a trial or experiment rather than intending for it to be permanent and lasting. And when a person goes into something already expecting it to be temporary, it will most often end up temporary. Just my thoughts
Because people expect the excitement and feeling of being in love / having a crush to last forever, and they aren't meant to last forever. Once you get used to a person and settle into a routine with them, things get way more boring. That's why it's important to figure out if you have similar values and life goals if you're planning on a long term relationship... because after you get used to the relationship and the initial "spark" crap dissipates, that is what will keep you together.
I mean I think it's so common for marriages to fail because people make too strong of decisions based on their initial gut feeling without taking enough time to check that they really have the same long-term vision as the other person.
But the spark doesn't have to die.
I turned to a work colleague for advice on marriage because after 40 years of marriage they still have the look of young love in their eyes when they look at each other.
She'll talk about her love life and it's a case of TMI, but it got me thinking about what it is that they have done so right and that's when I decided to confide in her.
Because they marry too fast. I'd want to go through some of the rough paths with them first before getting married, make sure we both know all our good and bad sides. Sometimes though one part or both don't make the same effort and the marriage fails.
Selfishness and refusal to compromise with your partner. That, or they are simply not in love and once their hormones calm down they no longer like the person in front of them.
lack of communication
passive aggressiveness
assumptions
not intentionally setting aside time to be together. (no distractons, other people, just these two)
not taking the time to really get to know someone before tying the knot
the ideals of marriage as portrayed by society
Because 50% of marriages if not more should have never happened to begin with. They didn't get to know where the other stood in regards to certain values and didn't care because it was based mostly on emotions of the moment. Which is the same way the divorce came about. Based on the emotions of the moment.
Because they have high expectations and it's a movie love story and we all that's not realistic. And some just can't get it out of there heads so they move to the next let down and they keep doing it til they find that one that mets his/her high expectations.
When two people that don't really know themselves get together, all relationships they have with another is destined to fail. Most of society lives through the ego and have constant inner dialogue, as opposed to inner peace and stillness. People can say money problems, infidelity, boredom, incompatibility but at the root of about 99% of those problems lie the same factor, not knowing thy self.
Because they are not suited for each other. As simple as that.
So far three of my friends have gotten a divorce because all of them married a guy who was absolutely not someone they could get along with. And I don't think the divorce rate is this high because everything is fundamentally different now. It's because for various reasons most people decide to end their marriages instead of leading an unhappy life and suffering like they used to some 60-70 years ago.
Gottman's four horsemen.
He can predict a newly weds chances of getting divorced within the first ten years with a 90% accuracy.
My husband and I almost went our separate ways at the start of this year.
Times have changed and people aren't living with the old adage that you have to be married until death no matter what. Once they realize that they are no longer happy with the person they married and have tried to make it work, they call it quits. I don't think its necessarily a bad thing. However those who have short marriages, I think just jumped the gun and got hitched to soon.
But over 50% of divorced people admit they regret it and believe they divorced their soul mate? I don't think thats the case, I think their is to great an empahsis on excitment and "happiness" that when people reach a stage where they are content they don't know how to deal with it because they have been looking for the thrill so long that without it they don't know how to have a relationship.
Many think it's because of people marrying too young, but people were marrying much younger in the 1950's and 1960's when the divorce rate was much lower.
Better, it is marrying when not mature enough. Some aren't mature enough in their 50's! The option of bailing out is too much on the minds of married people. They don't believe in the "until death do us part" model of marriage. People are into marriage only if it benefits them.
Instead of way saying marriage feel ill tell you how I personally find how you can make a relationship work.
1. Never make a excuses for your girlfriend or boyfriend. If you make excuses for them they will walk all over you.. so stand up for yourself.
2. If you partner does something to upset you talk about it no matter how small. It's never good to hold something in or will come back too kick you in your ass.
3. Always make sure to keep doing the small things that made them fall in love with you.
4. Make sure too always go out and try new things together.
5. Never let a anyone take advantage if a girl or guy not willing to work on your problems move on. Don't make excuses no amount of love is worth dealing with bull shit. A friend of mine kept dating her ex making excuses for him saying she loves him even through he cheated on her 3 times she got back with him again and he then left her with 2 died baby's.
@Goodwifie thank you I wasn't sure how others would feel about it... its just my personal experience. I use to make excuses for my ex since men use too treat her badly and I would let any small thing she did to me go because of this... which was dumb of me. When her parents forced us to break up another story for another day. She blamed it all on me and her family made me feel like I was less then human. I treat this girl like a freaking princess and tried my best never to yell at her. I notice during our break up she didn't support me like I did with her and I notice all the excuses I made for her come back to haunt me and I was so stress out. Am now dating a girl who much much more mature and o follow my own rules to the letter we talk about every small things so we never have any big fights ever. All my friends are jealous and always ask how I have such a great relationship with my great gf? The list above is why.
@Goodwifie thank you enjoy your day
They didn't know each other well enough to make a commitment that way and when they did, they weren't suitable for each other or one or both people didn't want to go into the marriage anyway
In my opinion, most marriages end up as divorces because they start to lose communication and that results in not giving their partner attention. you can be best friends but if they don't talk and show each other attention, then they're going to go find somebody who does. That can result in growing an attachment to the person who's
listening rather than the person you're married to & that can lead to a separation.
Idiots getting married to prove a point or social status or financial benefits. If you get married for an reason asides from love then it's fucked. Being with somebody is hard work so if you don't love them as soon as it gets hard your gonna resent carrying their weight and your own. Most people don't know what love is these days though, theyre too shallow and facile. Hence marriage as an institution is doomed
Because people treat marriage as something to aspire to in itself. They wind up missing the point. Marriage is pointless. If your partner truly values you, there wouldn't be any need to legally bind yourself to them. If they dont value you, you shouldn't be married to them.
People get married too soon. They don't live together first. They don't know each other well enough. Etc.
Actually according to studies people who live together first are MORE likely to divorce, not less likely.
@hellionthesagereborn you wanna show me those actual statistics or nah? Also people who don't live before are usually religious and won't divorce on grounds of religion. So it's not a fair thing really is it
www.nytimes.com/.../...biting-before-marriage.html
divorce.lovetoknow.com/Divorce_Statistics_and_Living_Together
Obviously its not set in stone, but yes it does seem to have a connection. Don't you think its unfair to just claim that religious people are secretly wanting to divorce but won't because its against there religion? Isn't it possible that the reason why these things are traditional is because they worked not because its just something some random religious figure decided to dictate to people just for shits and giggles? In all probability its a psychological mechanism i. e. the easing into marriage that living together is meant to be could very well just result in a one foot out the door kind of effect.
If you go all in your more likely to try and work things out, when you have no exit you have no other option but to work things out. I mean don't you think its unfair to just assume that religious people or people with traditional views are just unhappy like every one else but won't admit it? Maybe they really are as happy as they claim.
@hellionthesagereborn yeah so have my parents but they're old. That was different too. A lot of older people will just stick with it to the grave. And you're naive if you don't think most people are unhappy. Because they are. That's a fact of life.
I lived with my husband 4 1/2 years and we got married last August. I have had a headache everyday since I said I do.
@Yupthatsme0514 did you live with him prior to being married or did you get married before living together?
We lived together for 4 1/2 years before we got married. I love the man to death but he's to much most times on the sex, and I should have done this thing.
I'm naïve if I think that most people are within average parameters of happiness? Do you know how statistics work? The fact is most people are not unhappy because we wouldn't be functioning otherwise. The problem is people don't understand the difference between content and bored, content with misery. Your not meant to be happy every waking moment of your existence, but most are content yes. I like how you completely ignored all the information I gave too, you where insistent upon the data only to reject it when it was presented. Have you considered that maybe its you that has an issue not the rest of the world? I don't mean that as an insult but if your convinced that by and large every one is miserable then that seems rather telling of your mental state not theirs.
@hellionthesagereborn making it personal now and insulting me? Dude it's a debate. Why you gotta go there? I said you were naive because it sounds like it but naive is not an insult. I didn't reject it. I added another point. This question was from days ago and I stopped giving it my attention. Calm down.
I wasn't insulting you, I even stated that it wasn't an insult but rather the fact that most people project their feeligns on to a situation. that's just human nature and since you alluded to most people being miserable that seemed to suggest you where miserable. It was more concern then anything else really. As for mentioning you ignoring the information, well yes I have been calling people out on this because every one does that, they demand to have the facts presented to them and when I do they go out of their way to ignore them, again as you did. So I just started calling people out on it. As I stated, that was not a personal attack and I don't know why you decided to take it that way, if you believe that every one else is miserable then clearly that's not a normal thing to believe, obviously you have a personal bias that is coloring your view of the world. I am not upset, if I was you would know it (Much more profanity, less formal writing).
@hellionthesagereborn you're the one projecting, not me. You're the one harping on about divorce rates and with the amount of divorce there's obviously a lot of unhappy people around. But you want to me it all about me and not about the topic at hand. Whatever.
Not really following. Yes their is a high divorce rate, yes it is most frequently initiated by women, but its also been shown that over 50% regret doing so and where convinced they divorced their soul mate. Its not about them being miserable, its about a society that is constantly nitpicking relationships which has resulted in women becoming convinced they can "do better"(they never say this about men) which inevitably convinces them to give up at the first sign of imperfection and as a result ends up having them regret that decision. I am not projecting, how could I be? I stated most people are not miserable, you claimed that most (if not all) are. Clearly you have some issues you need to work out (no that's not an attack, a lot of people have issues they need to work out. The problem is most don't like to admit it.). If you are as miserable as you seem to be, well that just seems exhausting and I would suggest seeking help so that you can start enjoying life (its to short as is).
@hellionthesagereborn once again you're obsessed with making the point about me and my issues? When it has zero to do with me in any way. Obsessed with drying to drag me down in some way. Sad really that you can't keep it to the topic at hand without throwing insults around.
No, your obsessed with trying to shift the point. I made my point, my point stands, the majority of humanity isn't hating their very existence. I pointed out that what you stated is factually wrong according to the data, then already proved that most divorces are regretted so its not that they where miserable in the marriage but rather its due to other factors, you then ignored all of that and tried to claim that most people are miserable. There is no other point to make, I just mentioned after making my point that if you feel that way that says more about you then the rest of the world. We have spoken before and every time you seem to be incredibly bitter and angry and depressed, hence me pointing this out and suggesting you find some way to deal with that. I apologize if that bothers you, you can pretend that I am just being an evil asshole if it makes you feel better (though I get the impression you have already done that).
@hellionthesagereborn nah son. I made my point. So far all you've done is talk about me and my 'issues'. So why shifted the point? Not me. Where did I say most people hate their very existence? 🤔 I didn't. And why you so obsessed with me then? Why you obsessed with what I say? And oh thanks for the wonderful advice (still looking for it though... can't find it) that I definitely didn't ask for. It's also completely irrelevant to this thread as I am not married nor divorced so it's irrelevant - I wasn't talking about me. Most people who get divorced clearly are in a miserable state. Again, stop putting words in my mouth. I never said you were an evil asshole, you're just obsessed with trying to drag me over one little comment instead of just continuing with the actual debate at hand. As proven once again by your last response.
No, you didn't and all you have to do is go back and read the comments to see where you didn't make your point and ignored mine. your exact quote: "A lot of older people will just stick with it to the grave. And you're naive if you don't think most people are unhappy. Because they are. That's a fact of life." and as I pointed out before, if over 50% regret their decision and would undo it if they could (according to surveys) then clearly they where not miserable in their relationships, they just didn't realize how to communicate and took the path of least resistence. No you didn't ask for my advice, I doubt you take any ones advice, you seem to be the kind of person who isolates themselves instead of actually facing the problem and trying to fix it (at least that is the impression you have given in both this and every other one of your comments. You seem to have a hard time not being abrasive, feels like a defense mechanism).
I doubt you take any ones advice, you seem to be the kind of person who isolates themselves instead of actually facing the problem and trying to fix it (at least that is the impression you have given in both this and every other one of your comments. You seem to have a hard time not being abrasive, feels like a defense mechanism). But again, if you don't like what I said fine, don't listen to it, believe I am secretly being an asshole if that makes you feel better, again, its not like I can stop you. So lest continue the debate if that's what you really want. So you said living together is better, I provided you links showing that is not true, you ignored them, why? You said they where unhappy I gave you the statistics that show that this is the least likely scenario as they immediately (according to the survey its almost 55% of those who initiate divorce regret it and over 40% of those said they regretted it within the first week) which suggest they where not miserable.
You then proceeded to ignore that point. Why? What points do you have beyond the ones that I proved to be false?
@hellionthesagereborn 🙄 There you go making it about me again. You've really got your back up over something here. Stop making it about me and maybe I'll actually discuss your points but so far you've done nothing but bash me so nah. As Margaret Thatcher said, "if they attack you personally they don't have a single argument left".
At which point did this happen? Can you actually point to a part where I attacked you? I made my points you didn't address them, that happened, unless I some how missed the part where you actually addressed them?
"I doubt you take any ones advice, you seem to be the kind of person who isolates themselves instead of actually facing the problem and trying to fix it"
"Have you considered that maybe its you that has an issue not the rest of the world?"
"Clearly you have some issues you need to work out"
"If you are as miserable as you seem to be, well that just seems exhausting and I would suggest seeking help"
"seem to be incredibly bitter and angry and depressed,"
Want me to go on? Every comment on this thread has an attack about me from you on it. Yet I have said absolutely nothing negative about you as a person.
I think you two need to meet up for drinks. Lol
@Yupthatsme0514 think he needs to just chill and not take shit to a personal level. I just walked away from it but he feels the need to go over and over and round in circles 🙄 Think he'd throw a drink in my face TBH.
I think you Spike his interest and that's why he's not dropping it. so I don't think he would throw a drink in your face!
Again those where not attacks, those where remarks made based off your comments and as I stated, where in earnest. You also selectively edited my statement and took it out of context: "Have you considered that maybe its you that has an issue not the rest of the world? I don't mean that as an insult but if your convinced that by and large every one is miserable then that seems rather telling of your mental state not theirs." (should I consider you calling me naïve an attack? you did after all make it personal first). Any way my concern was earnest. I guess that's hard to believe in this world. Anyway I did make statements and arguments and you ignored them out right.(In fact you started talking about this being an attack against you the moment I mentioned how you ignored my statements). No I would not throw a drink in some ones face, seems like a waste of money not to mention a very emotional response (I'm not fond of those).
@hellionthesagereborn every single comment you've made has had something insulting on it. Because you can't just have a debate without making it personal and dragging another person. I didn't take them out of context, you asked me and I showed you what you said. It's there in black and white so you can't deny it. Yeah I called you naive. And that was it. I didn't spend the next dozen messages slating you.
Okay, clearly this is meant as a diversion, as stated you started the remark, I then stated that IF you thought that every one was miserable then that would seem to be more telling about your own life and feelings then that of the rest of the world. That's not an insult period. No amount of claiming it is will change that fact. So again you ignore everything I pointed out, you insulted me, took my statements out of context then ignored all my points and instead tried to make yourself out to be a victim over and over and over again. So either this is some ploy to avoid confronting my statements or you have issues. At this point I have stopped caring because you are a broken record and a person can only handle so much self pity. Get help then come back and respond to my points, I am sorry that I showed concern because of your comment hear and many others that I have seen heavily suggest you are depressed (and quite frankly filled with self pity).
@hellionthesagereborn yawn. Bored. You're still going round in circles.
@hellionthesagereborn over and over and over. You're still doing it. You're still making it about me, when it wasn't about me. Don't concern yourself with my life. Get lost. I'm done bothering with you.
@hellionthesagereborn even if I am depressed what has that got to do with you in any way shape or form? Nothing. None of your business. You've made this rant about that when it had nothing to do with that. You're a misogynistic, woman hating dirt bag but I didn't bring that up did I?
So I hate women now? How did you come to that conclusion? Is it because I disagreed with you? Or was it when I showed concern? It doesn't matter, your not going to address any of my points and your going in circles. So do you want this to get back on track or are you just going to continue to dodge the statements I made?
@hellionthesagereborn I've seen your comments all over the site too pal. Two can play at that game. You wanna bring old stuff up? Then I will too. Nah, I told you you carry on insulting me and we were done. That's what you chose to do.
That didn't happen but if that's what you want to do to avoid the topic so be it.
@hellionthesagereborn I didn't avoid the topic. You did.
There you go avoiding the topic again. I presented my statement then you started to deviate and take things out of context. But again, if you can't handle actually responding to my points that's fine, I understand.
@hellionthesagereborn you're the one who made every single comment an attack on my person. The debate lost all meaning the second you started doing that.
@hellionthesagereborn because you have to get the upper hand on the stupid little woman somehow right?
Never claimed you where stupid and never did any attack on you and your well aware of that. If anything, as I and yourself pointed out you initiated an attack on me and then I continued with the discussion at which point you took my words out of context and made it personal and whent off on a tangent I then showed concern (a big mistake on my part) and then you took that as another attack on you even though it clearly wasn't and now you continue to make claims that are not true. You are trying to ignore the initial discussion, that much is obvious but you are more then happy to continue this drama, why is that? You could very easily end it by staying on topic but you haven't and continue to do so, you want this to be a conversation about you, I didn't. So with that in mind you can feel free to either respond to my points or if you want talk about your problems but at least do one or the other instead of avoiding doing both. Its just not productive.
@hellionthesagereborn you're on my thread. Feel free to leave at any time. I never wanted it to be about me. You made it about me, over and over again. It's all there in black and white.
Yep, that's what happened, that's exactly how it happened, except for if you look back you where the one who made it about you, but what ever. Clearly your not going to actually address my points and your going to continue to make statements that are not true so there is no point in continuing this.
@hellionthesagereborn 😂 I never made it about me. You did.
@hellionthesagereborn and like I said. Feel free to get off MY thread!
As I said before, you are incorrect and everything you said is visible, you just need to read your comments. But again if that helps you sleep at night so be it.
@hellionthesagereborn think you need to read it again. Like where I pulled all the comments you made about
me into one. Oh but yeah you pretend that didn't happen.
From my understanding it's actually higher its actually 53% and Belgium being the highest at 70%.
en.wikipedia.org/.../Divorce_demography
because people marry for looks and at young age. nobody should be getting married before they are 30...
Hmm. Seeing that most divorces are initiated by women, I would say because the woman romanticizes the idea of marriage, but when things get tough and stressful she wants to bail.
People have unreasonable expectations. They expect the "honeymoon period" to last forever. That's not possible. After a few years you'll find that your romantic feelings didn't last and you can either choose to tolerate the other person enough to continue the relationship, or just leave. No surprise then that a lot of people choose to leave and try to get the romance back with someone new. Or just be bitter and single for the rest of their life, which is better than being bitter and married.
Maybe send every single divorced couple a survey and ask them why? 😂
Money is one of the top reasons for divorce and the economy has been crap. I mean that is only ONE reason but I think it's probably one of the major ones.
It's a "partial story". If you stratify the cases you'll find that the older the married persons when they marry and more educated the are the less likely they'd divorce. Among other factors.
So a lot of it is actually youth and impulse along with poor basis. With the end of social forces encouraging prolonged marriage divorce amount these couples sky rocketed.
With dating sites and things like facebook... people get to know more people... have more options. I can't speak for the male side... But I've been 'friends' with girls that have openly spoke about being on dating sites while dating men (some of the relationships were 6+ months). This one girl had been chatting to this guy online and decided to break up with her boyfriend 2 days after she had decided to arrange a date.
We start to see our own inner demons in our partner but fail to recognize it. We think it's our partner or the relationship that is the problem, but the real conflict is in ourselves.
Indeed, perhaps the person is not just divorcing another, they are divorcing ''themselves''.
Because the feeling of "being in love" will always fade away. Then there's the epidemic of gold diggers (atleast in America). People cheat more than they used to, or at least they're caught more. There're more reasons but I'll live it at that.
It's statistically proven that marriage is the main cause of divorce😅
But seriously normally you find that you either no longer love them or you still do but not enough
1. A lot of people get married for the wrong reasons.
2. It is starting to become more acceptable to leave an abusive/unhealthy beyond repair marriage.
Because as soon as it gets difficult (which is inevitable) one bails on the other because it is easier to start anew. Furthermore, people just get bored and feel that starting again will be exciting. Stupid in my opinion, but there you go.
People marry for the wrong reasons and they give up on the relationship.
Yes if two people get married for all the wrong reasons then yes the statistic above can be true and may be it is, who knows.
I think I read somewhere that it's usually due to financial issue. On the other hand, there are a lot of rich people who get married multiple times
Those divorced people got married in the hippies, the cold war and back when Nixon was around. Of course they are getting a divorce.
What? You think young people are getting divorce?
I think we have become such a "throw away" society people would rather get someone new than work with what they have.
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Quite simply, *everyone* is a cheating slut nowadays.
The more sexual partners you have, the more likely you'll get divorced. They did a study on it, just google it. And we live in a time where if you're NOT having a lot of sexual partners, there's something very wrong with you.
Humans aren't always meant to be in the same relationship forever.
Don't agree on finances, family values, religion, politics or get knocked up and think marriage is the answer.
In the past divorce was taboo and considered wrong, now that that isn't the case they happen more common. It's simple people change as they get older. There are many reasons for divorce you can't just pick one.
ego... lack of mutual understanding... complex.. lack of faith in each other... forgetting to love each other
I think infidelity is on the rise, all the comedians on facebooks and IG are glorifying cheating and making it funny and much more common that. Being faithful is a thing of the past
lack in communication, trust, and insecurity issues
Couples lack to communicate in relationships that's why
marriages don't last.
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