Whats your view on plus sized models?

[Anonymous]

I feel like nowadays its almost compulsory to accept everyone around you in a positive and constructive way, which I feel to be correct. The issue I see in this movement is the plus sized modeling craze at the moment.

Listen, I'm not saying that if you are plus sized you're gross and that you should feel bad, I'm saying that advertising companies are unnecessarily shoving the acceptance of extreme obesity down children's throats.

I mean come on, can't we teach children to be healthy instead of strive for 'sexy'(in both extremes)? Not long ago (maybe two years) I had an obese friend who was often called 'perfect' and 'sexy' by other teenagers our age. It came to a point that I, with a healthy bmi of about 20, was being body shamed for being too skinny because, which not even my boyfriend argued because that would be making our overweight friends feel bad or something.

If people cannot speak out about their beliefs because of others feelings, can one say that this is bullshit?

Look at Tess Holiday, she looks to me to be morbidly obese. If anyone can say that this is what we should be striving for, I fear for the generations to come.

Everyone reading this can you please remember that everyone is beautiful, no matter their sizes, just a recap: people should teach others to aspire to be healthy and not fat.

And yes I know this is a shit thing to right about and it makes me sound stupid, but hey, freedom of speech right? :)

[TakeMaker]

Plus size model is a VERY vague term.

This is what Calvin Klein considers a Plus Size model...

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And then we have models such as this
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which is what I would consider a Plus Size model because she represents normal shaped plus size girls. She has a wonderful shape but she's also a bigger girl, a perfectly normal looking human.

And then you have this

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which to me is JUST as bad as the hideously underweight anorexic looking models. This is not a positive body image to portray. This woman must find it difficult to find clothes because she isn't really very human shaped anymore. I'm all for feeling good about yourself and feeling confident but don't pretend you're healthy and normal and something others should aspire to. This is NOT healthy, it isn't normal. Normal humans have definition between body parts. I'm really glad that she's happy but I don't think it's a healthy image and she certainly doesn't do a very effective job of making clothes look good, which if I'm mistaken is the whole point of being a model? You model things to make them look appealing...

[Reallio]

I fully agree, people should love their bodies for the way it is. But promoting obesity (such as Tess Holliday) is terrible, and that's why America is known as "The fat country". It's ridiculous.
Thin/Healthy/Husky/Fluffy/Damn/Oh HAIL no

You don't love yourself if you get to the fluffy category. You can say it all you want, but you truly don't. Because if you let yourself get to that point, where you don't take good enough care of yourself, it's disgusting. Tess Holliday is truly appalling. Along with other morbidly obese "plus size models". Chubby is fine to me in my opinion, as long as you're healthy, but morbidly obese is just sad. No one should be promoting an unhealthy lifestyle. There's a reason why everyone promoted being skinny for the longest time: it's because it's healthier. Grant it, anorexia is just as dangerous as being morbidly obese, and that shouldn't be promoted either. Your organs shut down 1 by 1 with either condition. I see it happen with my mother. Fix yourself so you CAN love yourself.

[Hidden_P]

I agree.

But I also believe there is a place for them and they are needed.
Take Tess as an example.
Yes I agree she is obese and it shouldn't be encouraged to look like her. But the fact of the matter is there are people out there who do look like her, whether it's a medical condition or gluttony or whatever. If you had a clothing company that specialised in plus size clothes, what bugs me the most is when they use a skinny model. NO!!! People who are a larger size want to see how that clothing will fall on a bigger person. So in this example, yes, I want to see Tess modelling that dress with her huge arse rather than a skinny Victoria Secret model.

I think it's good to encourage plus size modelling. Everyone wishes they were thinner or buffer or whatever, but with something like clothing, we all have to wear it and just because it looks nice on a size 00 rake doesn't mean it will on someone who enjoys eating a sandwich.

[RJGraveyTrain]

Yeah, hate to sound PC, but it isn't the media's job to parent your children. If you're relying on the media to portray only the most ideal body types as a means of teaching your children what is or isn't healthy, you're a failure as a parent.

Plus sized models exist not to promote an unhealthy lifestyle, it's to appeal to a market of plus sized individuals who would buy the products they are wearing. Sure, they teach you about self love, but that doesn't mean your kids are going to assume they need to get fat to love themselves. That's where you step in as a parent.

As a parent, it's YOUR JOB alone to say: "Loving yourself is okay, but this is how you take care of yourself." It's also the job of the educational system to teach your children about health and physical education. It isn't up to vogue.

So the whole "plus size models teach people it's okay to be fat" spiel is a crock of flawed logic.

[JRICHARDS1996]

If that's the case, then would you say the same thing about "underweight" models and the feminists who complain that they teach people it is okay to be overly skinny?

If you answer No, then you are a hypocrite.

[RJGraveyTrain]

@JRICHARDS1996 Here's the issue with that logic though.

Believe it or not, you can be plus sized and be in reasonable and even good health,
My closest friend happens to be 200lbs + and is in better shape than me, a straight sized 120lb woman.

The issue with a starving model is plainly that there life is at more immediate risk than someone who is overweight. I suggest watching a few modeling documentaries, a few years ago it was common for underweight models to literally die on the runway due to their extreme conditions.

I've yet to hear plus sized models having a similar issue. In their case, you would have to know everything about their medical history to know whether or not they were truly unhealthy, unless it was an extreme case. If you look at Ashley Graham for example, some would assume she was healthy, others wouldn't, but you couldn't know without consulting her doctor.

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[RJGraveyTrain]

Someone who looks like this:

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Is clearly at more immediate risk than somebody who looks like this:

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If it makes me a hypocrite to use basic logic such as this, then yes, I am a hypocrite.

[JRICHARDS1996]

So in other words, it is okay to condemn one unhealthy standard (underweight) but not the other? Diabetes, hypertension, infertility, cancer, and heart failure are not serious risks with being overweight? No offense, but it sounds like you are trying to justify fatness while condemning skinniness, even though both are unhealthy. Yet unlike most of these sorts of girls, you yourself are not fat so I'm having trouble understanding where you are coming from.

[RJGraveyTrain]

@JRICHARDS1996 If the models were diagnosed with any of those diseases, perhaps I could see there being reason to condemn it. Until they are though, I don't see anything wrong with it.

As for the whole promoting underweight issue, it isn't so much that I worry about people taking their example, like I said, you should be raising your children better. It's more the models themselves that I concern myself with.

[RJGraveyTrain]

You also don't have to be overweight to be sympathetic to a plight that doesn't apply to you. I have plus sized friends, and people seem to shame them for the simple fact that they don't hate their bodies. This whole "anti-fat" concept to me is ludacris because it has yet to yield the beneficial results that people seem to believe will come from it. There will always be plus sized people, some people can't help it, so why deprive them from having bodies like their own represented in the fashion industry?

If people start featuring individuals from my 600lb life, then I may start to have an issue with it.

[JRICHARDS1996]

Here is something to think about: the vast majority of thin models will live long healthy lives while the vast majority of plus-sized models will almost certainly develop one or more of those conditions down the line since the likelihood is higher for overweight people.

Thus even if we take into account the few extremely underweight models who are at immediate risk, the overweight models are hardly any better off. The only difference is that they won't suffer the consequences of their weight until later.

That said, however, I agree that we should be concerned with the health of the model. But I do not agree that one unhealthy extreme is any worse or better than the other.

I think both overweight and underweight are equally bad in their own way.

I like a girl like Marisa Miller. She is healthy and sexy to me. She is not thin enough for the ultra orthodox runway model crowd but she is also not fat to where I am not attracted like Ashley Graham.

[RJGraveyTrain]

@JRICHARDS1996 I don't discredit that being thinner is healthier than being overweight, but being underweight was the issue you got on, so that's what I weighed in on.

However it also depends on how "overweight" these plus sized models are to determine if they form any of these diseases. Again, my closest friend is 200lb +, sees her doctor regularly, and has none of the diseases you mentioned. In fact, she's quite healthy.

I can see the unhealthy extreme part, but many plus sized models aren't the types literally at immediate risk of a heart attack. I definitely think there needs to be a healthy balance on each side, but I don't believe they should be completely deprived of representation completely.

[JRICHARDS1996]

The term "underweight" however is also loaded and tends to vary from person to person. Many fat women will use it to describe anyone who weighs less than them while others such as yourself will use it only to describe the most extreme cases like the image you shared. The vast majority of thin models are not underweight just as the vast majority of plus-sized 'models' are not "My 600lb Life" fat. I don't mind plus sized models having representation for the sake of marketing and/or even for people who like heavier women. But I do not like when they try to force it on the rest of the male population, the vast majority of which prefers thinner women. I personally prefer a woman with this sort of figure.
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[RJGraveyTrain]

@JRICHARDS1996 I can see that, and that's reasonable. But again, just as you said with fat women, there's the extreme of thin women shaming every woman who has meat on her bones as being disgusting, undeserving of loving and feeling sexy, etc. I know, because I've seen people literally say this before and people support that.

I think both sides need to be a little more even keeled all in all.

by the way the model in that picture is A grade.

[JRICHARDS1996]

You're a very reasonable woman, and I appreciate that about you. I will try to be more sensitive to the plight of heavier women just as I will try to encourage them to be more sensitive to the plight of thinner women. Then hopefully we can wipe out unhealthy extremes which threaten the health of women.

[RJGraveyTrain]

@JRICHARDS1996 Thank you, I appreciate that and I enjoyed debating with you.

[EmpatheticLady]

GraveyTrain nails it again!

[RJGraveyTrain]

@EmpatheticLady Thanks behbeh.

[Asker]

@JRICHARDS1996 okay, just to clarify here, I said in my post how you should strive to be HEALTHY, neither of the two extremes. If you would have looked at the top of the post, you also would have seen that I'm 16, I don't have any children. the issue that I was talking about is that it shouldn't be okay for obese plus sized models to be normalizing morbid obesity to both audiences, children and adults. In your little comparison between an extremely skinny model as compared to the plus sized model, in this case that's irrelevant. The woman in that image looks to be healthy and normal weight.

[RJGraveyTrain]

Asker I think you could learn something if yo actually took the time to read the entire conversation because you missed the point entirely.

[JRICHARDS1996]

Yeah I agree. If anything, I never once accommodated overweight models or said that fatness is acceptable let alone 'sexy.' I only spoke out against extraordinarily unhealthy extremes on both sides. I still prefer thin women and believe that the vast majority of men do as well.

[JRICHARDS1996]

An oxymoron. You can't be a "plus sized" model anymore than there can be a square triangle. Being overweight is not attractive nor is it something to be proud of. What the few plus sized "models" out there like Ashley Graham don't realize is that they are affirmative action. The only reason modeling companies are giving them opportunities is to meet a quota. They figure if they let one or two fatties in for the sake of political correctness, they won't have to let the rest of them in. And for good reason to, because the vast majority of men do not find being overweight attractive anymore than women find a short man attractive. Until I see Larry the Cable Guy shirtless in Cosmopolitan or Michael Moore as the leading actor in a Titanic-like film, I will never agree with the cultural Marxist fat-acceptance movement, where fatties are trying to overtake men's media by throwing Ashley Graham in the SI swimsuit issue.

[rachel1112]

Hey, watch your mouth!

[CHARismatic110]

You're still soooo bitter about Ashley being on SI lol. You gotta get over it bud.

[JRICHARDS1996]

@CHARismatic110 As far as I'm concerned, that was an act of war. You don't dictate what men can and cannot find attractive. First it was the destruction of the family unit, then it was the promotion of homosexuality, and now it is the dictation of smut. Where do we draw the line? How far does it need to go before we amputate this cancer known as political correctness before it is too late? We have reached a level of sexual repression comparable to the Middle Ages, except in this case, it is a war against normalcy. Now the feminists don't even want us to like thin sexy women anymore. They want to redefine our spank bank like they did gender and the family unit.

[CHARismatic110]

You're way too invested in this. Newsflash, plants of men find Asey Graham hot. You are not one of them, which is fine. But you also don't get to dictate and speak for all men. Like I told you on the Take you wrote, no one forced you to buy it. But make sure you know that just because you don't buy it, doesn't mean no else will.

[CHARismatic110]

Oh geez, I'm sleepy lol

Plenty of men*
Ashley*

[JRICHARDS1996]

@CHARismatic110 and plenty of more men DON'T find Ashley Graham attractive, as you can also see from the men who commented on my Take. If some men have a fetish for fatties, good for them. Make a magazine marketed solely to them. But don't try to force the rest of the male population into feeling the same way just to accommodate a small minority. And don't invade our media.

You NEVER answered. Would you or would you not be okay with a man like Larry the Cable Guy in Cosmopolitan or Michael Moore as the leading male actor in a film like Titanic?

[JRICHARDS1996]

@Rock_Steakface I can see

[CHARismatic110]

Yeah, I'm done talking to you. Good day.

[Rock_Steakface]

@JRICHARDS1996 She had my comment deleted. Do you think it's because she's triggered or because she actually weighs 500 pounds and this topic struck a nerve?

[gobsmacked3]

all women have their own unique beauty. One of my crushes in the past was on Camryn Manheim
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[vishna]

right! Just her smile is to die for <3

[Asker]

yes, but she appears to be a healthy weight. That was not what I'm addressing here.

[gobsmacked3]

She was a large woman

[KittieCat]

*Some* plus sized models are healthy some aren't. Some regular models are healthy, some aren't. If you're gonna preach health, modeling isn't the right business to be aiming it towards. Personally I do strive to be like Tess Holiday because although she is obese she's still doing what she wants and isn't letting her weight hold her back. I look up to her not because of her weight but because of her attitude

[Lesbian28]

i agree 100%

[Asker]

she has a great attitude, yes. But on the other hand, its better to be healthy than to be morbidly obese? Tess Holliday encourages people to almost forget what health is.

[KittieCat]

I mean just doing a simple google search and you can see that she clearly knows she's fat and that she's okay with being unhealthy. Not the best morals, but she never recommends it. It is better to be healthy, but she does what she does.

You could say the same thing about Beyonce. Waaaayy more people look up to her yet her entire relationship and affairs are in an album for the world to see. Now, that doesn't look very appropriate for a mother or even anyone. Maybe it's just me but I wouldn't put on a number (or multiple) about my cheating husband for my kid to see in the future.. But hey people still love her so it's okay right? Or even thin models or smoke or use laxatives or whatever. Both sides of modeling aren't great or a lot of other matters

[ichot]

Disgusting. Wouldn't be surprised if they had more 'touch up' / 're-work' done in post production to make them worthwhile.

Everyone is NOT beautiful. Don't gobble down that bullshit from Tess Munster. Someone with a BMI over 40 is NOT going to be beautiful.

[lovelywiz]

Why are women so triggered

[decadren]

like your fat arse.. haha.. your country made the world obese anyhow..

[VictoriousSausage]

@decadren I'm sorry, but that girl isn't fat, i understand that may have been a joke, but it's very hard to get sarcasm across through text, so just consider that next time you post

[Mrwoo99]

That's what I mean feminists are promoting women to be fat, it's ridiculous.

[Mrwoo99]

If I was a dictator I would make it mandatory for all these fat gets to get liposuction. It's an epidemic already in US of fat unattractive women. You see these feminists are trying to social engineer alpha men in to chubby chasers lol

[VictoriousSausage]

@Mrwoo99 i don't think so, i know being fat isn't good for your health, but the media promoting women to be ridiculously skinny is also pretty bad, why can't a person just be a person, why do we have to force them to be something they don't want to be.

[ichot]

whooo. That wrath of female downvotes. Looks like I called a bit many fatties disgusting.

[Mrwoo99]

There's down votes on every post who disagrees with chubby chasing. I bet the females on GAG make up most of the fatties on this website. What's wrong with them can't these women stop eating for 5mins lol

[Mrwoo99]

Can't they stop*

[LittleMissCuriousity]

I think that plus size models fill a very necessary space. When I was growing up, I never saw plus size women being portrayed as attractive. Stupid, unhygienic, overbearing, and rude. But never beautiful, clever, or interesting. Then I hit puberty, and I went from having a "normal" weight to being considered eighty pounds over weight. I struggled with my weight and my body image for years. It wasn't until I discovered Tess Holiday that I realized that "big" women could be beautiful too. Should we be striving to be overweight? No, but we should be striving to love ourselves at any size.

[Goldie757]

I have no problem with plus size models. It makes more sense for plus size models to model plus size clothing than regular models.

The problem is that people have jumbled issues of health and beauty together. Health and beauty are two separate things. Confidence and feeling good about yourself is important for everyone. Shaming should not be tolerated. But to say that being significantly overweight is okay because it's beautiful is bizarre, since there's no connection between the two. It's all fine when you're young, but as you get older, obesity impact your health and your body will put up a fight as you try to lose it.

[140597]

You know a lot of plus size models are healthy they workout a lot and they eat healthy majority of time. Not all plus size models are morbidly obese or are promoting obesity they are promoting body positivity which I think we need there are a lot of young girls and guys suffering with body dysmorphia which is a horrible way to be it messes with your head. I know that they're are models out there who are overweight and unhealthy which can inspire people to be the same way just like extremely thin models inspire people to want to be thin. I think everyone should be excepted no matter their shape or size, everyone is beautiful in there own whether they are thin, curvy, chubby, obese etc.

[Asker]

I'm specifically talking about the few models who are severely unhealthy, while promoting loving yourself (which everyone should regardless of how you look), which to them means forget being healthy and everyone should respect them otherwise that's mean and such.

[140597]

Yeah I understand what your saying

[WalterRadio]

"its almost compulsory to accept everyone around you in a positive and constructive way, which I feel to be correct"
That is not correct. If you can't tell the difference between right and wrong, how will you recognize wrong?

If someone is fat, it is wrong to tell her she looks good.

"remember that everyone is beautiful, no matter their sizes"
That is not correct either. Obese women are disgusting. They have harmed themselves, and a friend would call them out on it, to encourage them to lose weight, not to "feel good about themselves".

All progress has occurred from people trying to better themselves.

[TayTay21]

I don't really care if the media wants to push plus-sized models. They're doing it for a reason, because overweight women buy products, too.

I'm really fit and fanatical about keeping fat off my body, but I don't despise women who are overweight or not as dedicated as me. Why dislike someone for how she looks? What good does that do? No one said that being overweight is the pinnacle, they're just saying that it's okay to be fat because your weight does not define who you are as a person.

[Asker]

I don't dislike her, and i wouldn't ever hate someone who I've never met and dont actually know who they are as a person and so forth. Its just that her movement is all about how you shouldn't give a fuck about how your body looks, which is great if you're healthy or at least trying to be, which this type of plus sized models have failed to mention in their campaign.

[TayTay21]

I think deep down most plus-sized women want to be fit. I don't believe for a moment that they really enjoy being overweight. One of my besties is about 40 pounds overweight, and she's also fairly short, which makes her extra weight seem like even more. She's very confident in herself, but she's told me that she's envious of my body because I'm so fit. She wants to lose weight but just struggles to do so for a lot of reasons. She rocks how she looks, but there's no question she'd kill to be fit. So it's not like she tells herself that being overweight is a great thing, it's just that she accepts how she looks just so she's not living in a state of self-loathing all the time.

I get what you're saying about health, seriously. I literally *hate* having fat on my body, but I think larger girls should feel good about themselves even if they can't wear a size 2.

[Brokenheartedx]

Models should only be what The average dress size statistics in a country

UK is size 12-14 unsure about America or any other countries
A 12-14 would be about beyonces/jlos stature

Models that are to thin are just as bad as obese model they are not role models for the general population in my opinion..
Havin a sister that's big she always wanting to lose weight etc and with that health problems as well, I do not think bigger models are role models they are encouraging young girls not to lose weight that they need to to retain good health
Same applies to thin models they are bad we have girls starvin themselves

[Dez22]

As long as you're healthy inside, it's fine. It's totally possible to be fat and healthy, some people just can't get rid of the weight no matter what they do. And some can. Tess Holiday claims that she's been to doctor plenty of times and she's happy and healthy. It's about your lifetstyle and what you eat that makes you healthy or not, not your size.

I can attest, I'm skinny as hell with a "healthy" bmi, but the way I eat and my lifestyle is sooo bad, I always wonder why I haven't had a heartattack yet. Everytime I go to the doctor, I'm told I need to eat better and excersize more to lower my blood pressure, cholesterol, and blood sugar considering diabetes, heart disease, and high blood pressure run in my family. But I just procrastinating and lazy

And Tess Holiday is hot as hell to me because she's confident, and she has a pretty face 😄. She own's it, I love that about her.

[Rock_Steakface]

I prefer not to view so-called 'plus sized models' at all when I can avoid it. This is usually pretty easy to do. This whole fat acceptance thing will correct itself, likely with a whole lot of congestive heart failure, diabetes and destroyed knees. Even Melissa McCarthy whose entire 'comedy' career consists mostly of fat jokes has been trying to lose weight.

It's nothing to strive for. People used to admire models because they sacrificed a lot to look the way they did. How much sacrifice does it take to shovel a gallon of ice cream into Tess Holliday's face?

[rjroy3]

That they're both good and bad. Good because they help women accept themselves. Bad because they're also promoting being unhealthy, even tho that's not the intention. They're saying, " you're unhealthy. But that's ok! That's just the way you are! You can't change who you are! You are beautiful".

Some of these women are hot, but reeeeally let themselves go in their downtime. As opposed to other models that tend to stay fit year round and when they let themselves go it's really not bad. Cut 10-15 lbs and they're back in photo shape. I'm not saying standard VS model is better, but there are certain in between models that fit the bill. Girls like Sara underwood are sexy as hell and look far from starved. I prefer the "give a damn" look.

[Mesonfielde]

Some of them are overweight, and showing off overweight people is somewhat odd as an ideal of beauty.

But typical model look is too twig-like, so that's odd as an ideal of beauty as well.

I just think modelling agencies seem to have no taste for actually finding beautiful women with a proper body type.

[TakeMaker]

They're models, not beauty queens. Models are there to be good models, not beautiful. They are there to make clothes look good. Somehow we got confused and started seeing them as the ideal beautiful woman.

[Mesonfielde]

@TakeMaker Maybe that's the problem, I expect them to be attractive

I tend to forget they're modelling the clothes, not themselves, I guess :P

[TakeMaker]

Well they're supposed to be selling a "look" aren't they, but the people designing the look think women who look like they're dying make their clothes look nicer.

[TheButterfly]

Advertising isn't forcing obesity down childrens throats. But that being said, there should not be advocates from an unhealthy lifestyle. I dont think that people should be shamed by their appearance, but we have a bad habit about either saying "youre absolutely perfect" or "youre absolutely horrible" when we should be saying "youre an amazing person, but we care about your health and you need to make a change". Being a little chubby won't hurt, but being obese or morbidly obese is unhealthy and should be discouraged. We should have "you can do it!!" Ad campaigns instead of unconditional negativity or positivity. Also, if im not mistaken, plus size models start at size 6, which is in so way plus size.

[TheButterfly]

*no way

[ZellRocx666]

I totally agree with you Chica. I have also been a victim of skinny shaming and believe me it isn't nice to hear people talk about how your body looks 'like an skeleton'
Thankfully I have changed my friends and now my friends think I have a nice body lol
Truthfully I think that telling people to you gotta put some weight on or off.. Is just impolite. Why not tell them to be more healthy? What's wrong with being healthy instead of focusing just on your 'weight' in an obsessive manner..
People should seriously wake up dude.

[JRICHARDS1996]

Thin will always be beautiful and the most desired by guys. Believe me. The media, fat women, and effeminate beta males are lying to you. Deep down every man prefers thinner women. I know too well the struggle thin women endure after witnessing my mother endure it for so long.

[ZellRocx666]

@JRICHARDS1996 you're right. I have only seen some middle aged men like 'thick' woman. Otherwise not many people like them.
99 percent of the time, it's one girl criticising the appearance of another girl just cause -sighs-

[Stephbs2]

I am sorry but that thing about everyone beeing beautiful is bullshit. Of course everyone is beautiful to someone but not to everybody.
Besides overweight is not healthy so I don't think it should have a marketing for that. You can be beautiful like that just belive! And then they die cause od diabetes or heart desease.
I don't agree with showing those wemen that seem like they have eaten once in a week like what you should be either but pluz sized models are just a very stupid idea.

[Anonymous]

The problem is that they are shoving it down people's throats.
Can bigger than average girls be attractive to me personally? Sure, but I don't like being told that someone is beautiful essentially because they are "plus sized" and having them shoehorned in to appease.
Look, I'm not fat, but I'm not in shape. I know my face isn't attractive. I know I'm shit. How would telling me otherwise supposed to really make me feel better? Or having girls lower their standards for me? That would make me feel worse. I just don't get it.

[posted]

You spelled fat/overweight wrong.
Its used to describe everything in between normal and morbidly obese, a 'rose' by any other name. Tess Holiday is like 300 pounds.. Just no.
Some girls with a 'bit' of extra weight look fine, she's literally morbidly obese.

[LittleSally]

I think the morbidly obese ones are not great... for society in general and for just themselves...
But the chubby ones, or even just the big boned ones are hot. =)

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She's plus sized... and I don't think she's chubby or fat in any way. And she's hot!

[Asker]

technically, plus sized doesn't mean fat. 'Normal' models are so skinny because the sizes that they wear are what first get shipped or are easier to ship or something along those lines. These sizes are usually size 4 give or take. Plus sized is anything from like size 8 and up

[ThisDudeHere]

I don't have any views on + sized models or - sized models or square root sized models because I don't care about models at all. They, their job and their reputation are a complete non-issue for me. I don't concern myself with society's views on models. Don't see why I should? It's just a job they chose after all.

[Relentless_Hippie]

Tess Holiday is both dangerously unhealthy and delusional. She doesn't think of herself as morbidly obese but if we look at her bmi she falls under the severely morbidly obese category bordering class three (the greatest level in obesity). It's also very obvious her BMI isn't skewed by muscle mass or height either so this woman is the picture of death not the picture of sexy. It's impossible for this weight to be healthy because obesity within itself is a disease.